How to print on a CANON printer with a NON CANON ICC Profile!

[@kashka176]

Thank you! You saved my day with this video. You are the definite KZbin encyclopedia on printing.

[@kelvinreed853]

Your link above for custom paper profile creation page is invalid. What is the easiest way to install the ICC profiles in the driver module after one downloads them? In Windows of course.

[@gorandimiskovski6606]

The first time ever I matched my screen and Pixma's Pro 1 output with Canson BP paper after watching your video. Thanks a million for this.

[@cheo1949]

It's amazing when you see what you can be getting after you perform these simple calibrations.

[@sl2608]

Great video, thanks! One question: Why is it necessary to choose ICM instead of Photoshop to manage the color? Also, why ICM instead of "Driver Manages Color"?

[@71carlothunderbay]

Thanks Jose, I finally have perfect prints on my pro 100 after following this advice. I did not know this feature existed within the driver. I have learned something today!

[@FernandBrunschwig]

Very helpful - thanks a lot, Jose!

[@derekhonan7290]

Thank you, you made it so easy

[@dandee28]

when you do this, does it have the canon printer use the vibrant settings made for lets say a epson icc profile? I have epson photo paper, so select epson icc gloss photo, and the canon should have all the colors as vivid as it was printing from an epson 8500?

[@tonymc3407]

Thank you Jose for that great information, I never knew that could be done.

[@dunnymonster]

Never knew about this Jose so I learnt something new today 👍 I guess it kind of makes sense however because when we create custom profiles we are essentially giving new colour coordinates to the standard print driver for a given OEM paper type ( thus why you still have to select a recommended paper type when making profiles with non OEM papers ).

[@cheo1949]

This little "Gem" is not widely known.

[@philippehatsadourian6679]

Hello, thanks for the video. Do you know where i can find Canon papers ICC profiles? Regards, Philippe

[@cheo1949]

Canon paper profiles for....what printer?

[@PopovskiDarko]

So basically, I can print with my Canon pro 4100 on HP heavy coated matte paper which I really found a good deal, I also bought on eBay used datacolor spyder hardware printer profiler tool which I’m going to make a custom profile. I hope it works and thanks for the advice.

[@chrisbell-pctechnician3784]

FREAKING FANTASTIC. Thanks. See you Sunday on the Livestream.

[@cheo1949]

See you then.

[@alansparks-zg2tz]

This went straight over my head. Can someone explain this for a beginner please

[@johncollier5693]

Hi very interesting information. But what colour matching settings do you use when printing charts for paper profiling? Surely it should be ‘none’

[@cheo1949]

You have to chose none and most importantly the charts cannot be opened by just any application. As most of them will try to reassign a color space to them. Qimage has a special chart printing option so neither the app or driver is affecting color. They need to be printed 100% RAW.

[@johncollier5693]

Jose Rodriguez Thanks for your reply. I have tried both profile options in Lightroom with a file GretagMacbeth Color Checker Color Rendition Chart and both prints are visually the same. If you put the same profile in both places you definitely get double profiling. I need to profile two papers will try Qimage. Thanks again for the info. I am using the Canon Pro 1000.

[@1973Antoniob]

Thank you , nice tip.

[@cheo1949]

Thanks.

[@bgm-1961]

I've got a sidebar question that hopefully you can help with, Joe! I finally got around to upgrading my Win 7 machine to Win 10. The upgrade went off without a hitch, and much to my delight I noticed that the Canon Pro-100 drivers were installed automatically (it was connected to my machine during the Win 10 install). Anyway, my question is: Where is the "Maintenance" tab? I've opened every properties window that I could possibly find, that's associated with the Pro-100. Including what looks to be an incredibly dumbed-down printing "app". Although all of the tabs look familiar from Win 7, I can't find the "Maintenance" tab. Has Windows 10 done away with that? If so, then how do I print a nozzle check page, or command a cleaning, etc? Thanks! I didn't know where else to ask the question and be sure of getting a response! :)

[@cheo1949]

Then you do not actually have the pro100 driver. Uninstall it and disconnect the PRI Ted from tbe PC. You never leave it connected when installing a new OS. Download the latest driver for win10 from Canon driver support. Install the driver by double clicking it. When prompted connect via USB. the printer will be installed and you will see it in the Devices and Printers tab.

[@cheo1949]

Once you have it installed...right click printer preferences and the maintenance tab is the far right one.

[@bgm-1961]

@@cheo1949 Ah... that's probably it! I was so intent on getting Win 10 installed that I didn't even consider unplugging my devices from the computer during the installation process. And so when - after the Win 10 installation was complete - I saw that Win 10 had automatically detected the Pro-100 and provided drivers for it (with its own app to boot), I assumed those were the Win 10 drivers for the Pro-100! Yay! I mean the printer works normally! And, the printer's Properties box shows the "General/Sharing/Ports/Advanced/Color Management/Security/Device Settings" tabs as I was used to. BUT... But it's when I set out to print a nozzle check that I noticed the "maintenance" tab is missing from the Properties window. So, NOT "yay"! I'll do as you suggest and delete the Windows-provided drivers and download the Canon drivers. Thanks!

[@TheRobsterUK]

Thanks Jose this looks really useful. Quick question - I create custom vinyl stickers and the software I have to use with my vinyl cutter isn't from any major software house so really doesn't have anything in the way of colour management (there's no option to use ICC profiles etc, I think it just prints via the driver). So if I use this method with simpler software with no colour management of it's own, would it work and print via the ICC profile selected in the driver? Also is it necessary to disable the software's colour management? So via the driver go to Page Setup > Print Options and then tick "Disable the color profile setting of the application software". I would have thought it would be on the safe side to tick this to make sure the software isn't controlling colour at all? Thanks :)

[@hannahmillerartist]

Has the paper got to state Inkjet on the packaging of the paper/card you use? Or does t that matter? Thanks!

[@cheo1949]

Yes if you want good results.

[@mathewmccarthy9848]

Afternoon Jose. Hope you and your family are well. After printing with the Canon Pro1000 have you ever noticed banding occurring? I printed a BW yesterday and noticed, banding @ the bottom of the print: horizontal lines going full length across the paper. This is often characteristic of low ink but I have plenty of ink in all bins. I used Red River with a Red River profile. Any thoughts?

[@cheo1949]

No banding whatsoever. If it's constant perform a nozzle check and if it's perfect do an Auto Printhead Alignment using glossy paper.

[@mathewmccarthy9848]

@@cheo1949 Thank you!

[@noelbutcher906]

Thanks Joe, I'm a printing newbie and have been enjoying working my way through your videos. Is there a simple answer why this technique only works with Canon and not Epson as well?

[@cheo1949]

Because EPSON doesn't allow you to access icc profiles in that manner. You have to use profiles through your editing app and turn off color management in the driver.

[@noelbutcher906]

@@cheo1949 Thank you!

[@barrysharoff6537]

Joe, does this mean that when you are printing on non-canon paper (Ilford, for example), that when you select the Ilford icc profile, you should also select icm to control under matching? Or none, as I thought you have always recommended in the past?

[@cheo1949]

As I explained..click on the paper choice they suggest. Then Color/Intensity Manual Adjustment. Matching. ICM. Auto and choose the profile. In this case Make sure your editing app is NOT controlling color or you will double profile.

[@sallymally6892]

have a quick question....just bought canon pro300. For canon paper plus glossy 2 A when I choose that particular profile in LR it does not print w correct colors...however if I let printer figure it out it prints correctly... secondly i also bought Hanhnemuhle metallic paper....I have downloaded the icc profile and will use it...but on the printer what setting will be best as i dont see a metallic option...the paper is High gloss metallic... THANK YOU SO MUCH

[@cheo1949]

Are you setting your driver to NOT CONTROL Color when you choose Lightroom to do it? You are DOUBLE Profiling if you do not. It's one or the other. That is why when you tell Lightroom to let the driver do it you get correct rendition. You should get identical results regardless whether you let the Driver Or LR do it. BUT NEVER BOTH. You should be printing with the same exact profile either way.

[@sallymally6892]

@@cheo1949 thanks for the reply . So I chose in LR the paper profile and on the printer I chose the same paper and hit register . Where do u set your driver ?

[@sallymally6892]

@@cheo1949 hi Jose do u know how to set driver to not to control col .. is it in the printer itself or in the printer download files .. I have a Mac ... I know !

[@davidsussman2546]

Why not use Photoshop to control the third party profile? My results seem to match better

[@cheo1949]

Sure. But you can also do it through the driver. I don't know why you are getting different results. Should be identical as long as you are using the sand rendering intent on either LR / DRIVER or Through the driver using ICM mode and then choose the third party or custom ICC profile and sane rendering intent .

[@lorrainecannell3412]

Hi Jose , this is a bit of a random question I have the canon pro 10s absolutely love it I refill my cartridges with Octijet Ink no issue with that but when I change the cartridge I still have to reset it to get it to work, is this normal

[@cheo1949]

Of course you have to reset it! That is the process in refilling.

[@lorrainecannell3412]

Jose Rodriguez thank you for getting back to me . Wasn’t sure if you had to reset after every refilling , thank you for clarifying

[@cheo1949]

If you do not reset them then they will be seen as still empty of low even though you've refilled them.

[@formless4541]

Hi Jose. I've been trying to figure this out for too long now and i've given up. There are no resources that i'm aware of that can help me. Basically i'm trying to match whats on my monitor to my prints from a Canon pixma 7760, with ilford classic glossy 240gm paper. When i look at videos and articles everything seems irrelevant to what i'm trying to do with the equipment i'm using. I purchased an xrite i1 display studio colorimeter and calibrated my moniter and am now using the profile for my moniter. I'm using windows 10 and have an Aero 17xb laptop, 1080p display. I really dont know what to do from this point on, or even what questions to ask. I did notice though that the drop down box from which to select profiles does not exist here. I'm completely new to all this

[@cheo1949]

If you do not see everything I am showing here then you have something incorrectly set. I would have to be with you to be able to resolve this. If you do not see profiles they are not installed.

[@formless4541]

@@cheo1949 Hi. Yes i actually just did a target print yesterday to create a custom ICC profile for the specific printer and paper. I know what I'm doing now or at least I think I do. It's all so mind boggling when you haven't done it before, and most resources out there are worthless and completely vague. Thanks for responding, I might ask you another question if I need to!

[@formless4541]

@@cheo1949 Hi again. I got my icc profile for the printer and specific paper, and calibrated my moniter again. I did evry conceivable step not just in this video but also others, and even the steps from image science that gave me the printer/paper profile. nothing works. I can only conclude it is not possible for this printer at all. It would seem this is a job for a professional. Are you aware of the capability of the Canon pixma 7760? I'm done with this im just wasting hours upon hours and weeks upon weeks trying to figure out something that s just a dead end probably going to have to pay someone just to find out if its possible yo do it let alone actually do it.

[@sl2608]

On the Pixma iP8720 this can't be done. When setting the Manual Color Adjustment under the "Matching" tab there is no ICC Profiles menu, no drop down to select other ICC Profiles. After selecting ICM, below that there are only TWO selections/drop down menus: Input Profile and Rendering Intent. There is no ICC Profiles menu. Does that mean this feature is only available in the Pixma Pro printers and up? I believe that is the case.

[@cheo1949]

I just checked on my TS8720 and yes. You are correct. That option is not available. First you have to choose Photo PRINTING to access Color/ Intensity Manual Intensity and then MATCHING. Your only AUTO ICC matching is for Canon media. So either choose Driver Matching or ICM. There is not AUTO option which would display other NON Canon ICC profiles. Apparently it's because the 8720 is really an AIO printer and not what they consider a photo printer.

[@sl2608]

@@cheo1949 That's interesting. Canon calls the iP8720 a "photo printer". It does not copy or scan, all it does is print photos and I guess a document if you want to, but I don't. Before buying it every review I read said it was not an AIO, but a dedicated photo printer. That's the reason I bought it. Thanks, Jose!

[@ghouling1111]

The 'main tab' brings up the colour adjustment so if it's already clicked you dnt need to unclick and re click. Question, How do you find paper profiles? I'm using a recycled high quality card stock and can't find anything for its paper profile.. not sure how to find it?

[@cheo1949]

That's because there is no profile for card stock. It is not inkjet media. You would have to create or have one made for you.

[@jaredlayser1469]

Hello Jose! I have not been able to print 12x18 with my Pro 100, is there any way to do this? All programs including photoshop do not seem to have the option, still working out custom print sizes in photoshop. Thank you so much happy fourth!

[@cheo1949]

Are you trying to print a 12 by 18 image on a 13 by 19 piece of paper or a 12 by 18 piece of paper? Either way there should be no problem!

[@63nuke]

My printer driver menu doesn't look anything like that on my iMac. Wish it did.

[@cheo1949]

That's because MAC is different.

[@dylanreynolds4044]

I have just tried doing exactly this, but the printer profile option doesn't appear for a Canon 8750

[@cheo1949]

Are you on a mac? And that printer model may not be a Photo Printer so it would not be there.

[@dylanreynolds4044]

@@cheo1949 hi Jose, I'm on pc and it is an A3+ photo printer

[@cheo1949]

Then you should have that in the driver. Click on Color / Intensity Manual adjustment then MATCHING then ICM and AUTO. If it is no there then it does not exist on the 8750.

[@studiocreuse]

No good With my TS 8250 canon

[@philippehatsadourian6679]

For imageprograf-300

[@cheo1949]

Same process.

[@MP-ob1hm]

sure...if you have a PRO CANON printer...not if you have CANON printer...change the title...

[@cheo1949]

This channel is about Canon photo prints on PRO photo printers. We don't use Non Photo models here. But you can still use this info for printing on regular Canon printers as well.

[@atdakore]

thats just a different way of telling the printer the same thing. I don't think you quite understand how the apps interface with the driver. As soon as you select your profile. it is using that profile, it doesn't matter which Graphic User interface you use to select it, as long as the printer is getting the ICC info. If not Canon chooses the colour that suits, often guessing correctly based on your paper choices. If you select a canon media type and let canon colormatch, it will still use the correct ICC profile. You're really giving out some pretty average advice here Jose. Also your authoritative tone on these matter really dampens your otherwise excellent knowledge on inks and papers. Almost all of your printing knowledge however is very anecdotal, and really isn't useful for the modern technically proficient user.

[@cheo1949]

Thanks for your very authoritatively advice. I did this obviously not for experts like you but for rack beginners who do not KNOW that you can indeed do what I simple demonstrated. I received lots of private thanks for having demonstrated this. No offence intended but this channel is not really aimed at users at your level of experience. Luminous Landscape forum might suit you better. Not my channel. I am simply here to get BRAND NEW users started in this craft and avoid all the pitfalls I've already gone through. By the way your remark about my info being mostly "Anecdotal"? Well everything I state or demonstrate or talk about has been already proven and done not by you....That would truly be anecdotal....but by me. I hope you stay but is you do not, enjoy some other Printing Channel in YT...there are so many!

[@atdakore]

​@@cheo1949 but you've admitted as much that you have given out incorrect information before. I think your excitement and interest in printing is fabulous. But i don't think you're advice is helping newbies at all. Bad info is bad info. Private thank-yous don't change that. Sorry for keeping it real. But your advice put me off buying printers for years. I'm so glad i finally jumped in. It's been a blast. But since going through a number of your videos about Printing. I have found your information to be unreliable and repetitive, and unnesescarily alarming at times.