How to properly use breath when healing trauma and the nervous system

[@abbieyandle4986]

Thank you. I've had traumatic experiences with breath work. This is a very different approach.

[@estheremily39]

Why was it traumatic ? What’d you feel?

[@marcietownsend3635]

Yoga and deep breathing was the cornerstone and foundation of my healing from a massive amount of severe trauma.

[@LindaMarie9]

My felt body experience absolutely confirms this! So, now I let my body breathe the way it wants to...so much more healing. This video was so helpful!

[@boldkoncepts3461]

I like the way you've broken the process down and explained the varieties, types, methods and stages. It's really loaded what you've condensed in this short video.

[@arrashealing]

Brilliantly described, thank you. I'm a rebirth practitioner AND a trauma/somatic coach. I am finding that I can't take clients on directly for rebirthing, even though they want me to, and that a period of somatic coaching of anything from 2-6 sessions is needed before getting into rebirth. Because often, clients just don't understand the somatic cues or how to connect to bodily sensations, as other therapies they've had just haven't taught this skill to them. It has been a recent A-HA moment for me in my work actually, as none of my somatic nor breathwork teachers have taught this to me. Some people get on with breathwork right off the bat, including trauma survivors, but I'm seeing rapid improvements in clients who take coaching first, to begin to get that new "body language and translation" skill of somatic awareness under their belts. It can be tricky to navigate this dynamic with clients but totally worth it.

[@tryin508]

Any recommendations in the Orlando FL area Slammed into rebirthing feelings thru intensive outpatient program years ago,that left me feeling as tho I'd been pushed thru a keyhole or reborn, with each session,years ago. Two therapist's acting like good cop/ bad cop bringing forth surprised memories to get to the source of injuries found on x-rays,scans ..after PTSD symptoms nearly took me out. I wanted a rush job to identify,learn about, work on and heal asap. I read everything I could find on the subjects and was told I'd get therapied out and did. Nearly 30 years later, back searching for a therapist again for my daughter and I and recent new trauma's. I really do not want to be teaching new therapists again, either... Although I appreciate people in all the various stages and experiences and new ones coming into the field, I just don't have it in me to be the teacher to semi trained therapists, newbies at this. I need them to be the teacher,guider...lol.

[@arrashealing]

@@tryin508 it sounds like you would benefit from finding an elder, or a circle of elders, to lean on. Women who have passed through the gates of cronedom / cronehood. Can be difficult to find but they are out there

[@cherylwilsherlimberlife7210]

This has really hit home, my breath is so frozen, or my body parts so my breath is not going there, no mater how hard I try. Starting to just see what the breath wants to do and that feels so much better

[@butterflytotem]

Super helpful Irene! Precisely yesterday I had such experience of being close to being run over by a car and wow, exactly what you explain happened afterwards. Fortunately I knew I had to stop, even though it was raining a lot on me, and went through all of it. And indeed, afterwards I felt exhausted and needed a nap. Thank you so so much for this info, I'm learning so much with you! Much love from Liverpool 😀🙏💜

[@donnalouxxooxx]

Oh Irene, so incredibly helpful. I’m taking your 21 day course and you answer so many questions about my 12 somatic INTENSE journey. I’m so grateful ! ❤

[@alizamorallos6339]

Where to access the course?

[@donnalouxxooxx]

@@alizamorallos6339 it’s her 21 day nervous system tune up located on her website.

[@bethechangebath7663]

Such a helpful video. Really careful and clear explanation. I have tried various breathwork practices in the past. Some more helpful than others. I tried conscious connected breathing (when you dont pause between breaths) and that really made me panic. Now I know (thanks to SBSM) that this happened because my system is not regulated and doing this practice made me feel unsafe, and reminded me of times when I had panicked in the past, so in effect retraumatising me. It should come with a health warning.

[@htttppppp]

So basically we need to not put pressure on ourselves, also avoid resistance to the discomfort, and let the breathing be as it is and stay in that discomfort ....this is new to me, if I understood correctly. I started with Gabor Mate and I am glad I did not stop there because I think we need a more practical approach.

[@maxmistyjla]

The Smart Body, Smart Mind program is awesome! Thank you, Irene. And thank you for all these helpful videos. I've been working on trauma issues for a over a year and this video about breath really makes sense to me now. Noticing the breath without controlling it helps me build capacity. Going right to a deep breath takes me out of the moment and just another way for me to distract myself from what I'm feeling - so I miss the opportunity for some resolution and capacity-building!

[@donwalker117]

Thank you again

[@pco2004]

Was wondering how to breathe when unlocking energy charges. Thanks Irene!

[@lauren9373]

Can't even begin to tell you how important this is to me. Thank you

[@niebieskimotyl3308]

It's so important. I used to using calming down exercises, deep breath a lot, it helped for a moment, but then I had breakdowns, migraines got worse. I would have to calm myself down constantly, instead of living. There was no point in going to social gatherings, if I had to focus only on calming myself, not about interacting with other people or participating in the event. It was yet another escape mechanism and even deeper freeze mode than before. I feel like my capacity got smaller back then, until I had to fully admit there's something very wrong with me and I felt like I'm already dead alive.

[@outputformat]

i have social anxiety disorder. where are you now with your healing?

[@carltrammell6541]

What do you think of the style of breathwork that isn't necessarily used to soothe or regulate, but instead breathwork that is used to bring up unconscious material and access unresolved traumas & sensations in order to process them? Modalities such as Rebirthing Breathwork and Holotropic Breathwork use circular breathing to create a state of intense presence as a means to access and resolve trauma. Thank you Irene for your informative channel, it's an amazing resource.

[@cherylwilsherlimberlife7210]

I'm not sure if you quite understood this video, it's taken me a while. If your breath is frozen, you don't want to do these other breath works as it makes it worse. But if you have more regulation on board and your able yo be with and feel through these things that come up staying present and not controlling what's coming up you can guide the breath, but most of what needs to be experiences is autonomic so your not controlling the body is spontaneously doing it. No controlling..

[@brentbaity7536]

These terms are well over my head. Sure I can Google them before reflecting... but I won't. Don't feel the need to. Ever heard of Sensory Deprivation? I haven't done it yet but if I ever do it'll be for the purpose letting go while being in touch with the body, self, ego, Source... I'm new and still learning. Thanks for your share.

[@sylvanlanders7564]

Thanks for asking this question I was wondering the same. I guess it will depend on whether the practitioner is aware of all this. I was thinking of going to a breathwork practitioner - because I don't really feel enough to shift whatever it is that holds me back (functional freeze?). But I feel nervous about getting in touch with something too intense for me - will the practitioner know where my edge is?, because - having done a bit of rebirthing breath before - I know it can get very intense! And then as Irene says, - we are supposed to be the ones that know our own limit, but a) I don't know if I can recognise my limit - because I'm not used to feeling this stuff - I certainly discovered that with TRE before, and b) we are in an altered state and quite dependent on the guidance of the practitioner, right? At the same time I've done a session where nothing happened, but when it was time to come back to ordinary reality I was intensely upset, but then there wasn't enough time to work with that! Carl - (or anyone else?) I would be interested to hear if you have any experiences to share, that sheds light on this? Also very much would like to hear Irene's response? I don't think its as simple as 'other breathworks makes it worse', altho maybe it could be that if we are frozen then any 'intense presence' could be retraumatising.....? But then again as you say - these methods are designed for healing trauma, so surely they are aware of how to work with the frozen state. My sense is the practitioner would need to have a lot of experience and /or integrity for me to be able to trust they know what they are doing, because I notice that these days a lot of people claim to be 'trauma informed' but aren't really!

[@IreneLyon]

Carl Trammell, Jen here from Team Lyon. Great to hear that you're enjoying Irene's channel! Re your question, we find that we don't need these more forceful breath work practices such as Rebirthing and Holotropic breathing when we learn to work with the nervous system in these ways that Irene teaches. In fact, these types of breath work practice can often be overstimulating to many people with trauma.

[@kirstyanne_]

@@sylvanlanders7564 rather than seeking out a holotropic or rebirthing breathwork practitioner, look for a trauma informed breathwork practitioner if you are curious to try it. As one myself I understand that certain types of breathwork are not suitable for everyone depending on their window of tolerance and how they hold trauma in the body. A trauma informed practitioner will never push you beyond the edge. It is possible to expand your somatic tolerance through breathwork but for some it’s incredibly slow and gentle. I used to be incredibly dogmatic with breathwork and thought everyone will benefit from it (hello ego 😂) now I understand that in actual fact it isn’t what’s best for everyone. I personally think that the breath is a great way to be more present in the body especially with discomfort, it has helped me understand how to breathe when I myself move into freeze or fight/flight

[@hafizullahsufi]

From the perspective of a teacher in the Sufi tradition, what passes for "breath work" ("Holotropic" or "rebirthing" or "Reichian") in the West is a very blunt and limited instrument. While it's very useful to (re)learn to run a lot of life force - and certainly to *feel deeply* - it's unskillful to use hyperventilation to break through defenses or even to excavate unconscious material. There's too much forcing and too much "agenda," and the euphoric state that often emerges has very little authentic spiritual-transformative value even though clients report some interesting shifts in consciousness. Furthermore - and this is often missed by subscribers to the catharsis approach - releasing emotion does not confer real nervous-system regulation (a hyperventilated or tetanic state is *dysregulated*) or actually resolve/re-negotiate a trauma. You can become enmeshed in endless rounds of process-and-release that do not lead to freedom. The breathwork of the Sufis and yogis is much subtler, *much deeper*, and in deep alignment with the "titration" approach outlined in this video.

[@MrSimonj1970]

Very interesting, thanks!

[@Amanda-su9eb]

This is very helpful. I was just wondering about this topic.

[@karenrudd7660]

Ah you saying you don’t think people should do breathwork to release trauma? Personally I do not like breathwork at all but I have been guided in it in groups as a bonus session within coaching containers and many trauma informed coaches seem to use it. And it seemed to me when some people talked of feeling a lot of stuff come up in the sessions that it was on then to process and support themselves through it, although there was guidance in the sessions itself to lean into the sensations and the feelings. It just does absolutely nothing for me at all I find it physically unpleasant and dehydrating so I avoid it. I prefer mindful breathing and box breathing when I feel the need. I can see the potential for much harm with breathwork facilitators who don’t know how to support people with any trauma that comes up especially in large group online sessions, but it is still so popular

[@betterourselves]

Thank you

[@chiliart8056]

Sometimse when I cry my low belly starts to go in and out fast like when I was child .Mother didn't allow me to cry I suppose it's becouse of that.

[@omniversidadeomniversity9578]

And yes, you could be describing a breathwork session there, when you talk about your client, just as Peter describes in the tiger's awakening a session that could be William Reich describing many of his sessions. To all of this, new knowledge that was not previously available, polyvagal theory, etc. can be applied to all of this, it can be observed and supported by all of this within the work of Breathing, the names change more Titulation, Pendulacao, feeling little by little, presence, grunding, centering, all of this is found in serious therapeutic breathing work The serious therapeutic work of breathing and breathwork is much broader than your comments here. To conclude these new theories, polyvagal etc, however fashionable they may be, it doesn't make sense to stay stuck with them, new things will appear, it's good that therapies continue to develop, it's important to look straight at what's in front of us, open up hand of theories from time to time

[@brookekrovic7739]

When I feel uncomfortable feelings, lately I've felt an urge to move my body. It feels really good to pump my arms or stomp my feet. I also usually want to growl. As a child, I was expected to stay still and silent if I had big feelings, so it feels great to be able to act out what my body wants to do. I know in this video you talk about being with the feelings, but can this include not just feeling the feelings but also allowing your body to move in the way that it wants when those feelings come up? I stay connected to my environment, feeling my feet on the ground, looking at my surroundings. It feels really helpful, like releasing an energy that is trapped inside, but I just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing. Many thanks for your helpful resources.

[@IreneLyon]

Brooke Krovic, Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, for sure. Being with our experience can include emotions, sensations, movements, and more. Great to hear that following you impulse to move while staying present to the environment has been helpful!

[@omniversidadeomniversity9578]

Things are changing and many limitations are already being exposed by the theories you point out, there are more people today retraumatized by somatic experience than any other modality. The therapeutic breathing work that you describe continues to develop, be careful not to park yourself within yours, SE does not work well with developmental trauma, if you become attached to limiting rules, like any other methodology or approach

[@the_boss3421]

I purchased the program last year, so I have access to the material, but I was unable to join. Can I still get results just from the recordings, or would you recommend repurchasing for the live component?

[@IreneLyon]

Hi the_boss. Seth here with Team Lyon. No need to repurchase. I'm not sure which program you are referring to, but because you mention live components I'm guessing SmartBody SmartMind. Once you buy you're in for life, so you can join the next live round this March free of charge. In the meantime, the bulk of the program material is prerecorded neurosensory exercises, which you can get started with any time. Also, all the replays of live training calls and Q&A calls from the last round are on the site to watch.

[@the_boss3421]

@@IreneLyon that's great news! I purchased smart body smart mind last year. So if I log into the portal in March, I'll be able to see the new schedule for the live sessions?

[@MinnaMrt2958]

You can safely start with the pre-game videos, the first labs and the recorded live calls of the first weeks. You will anyways need to return to the material several times, so no harm in starting to prepare already.

[@IreneLyon]

@@the_boss3421 , Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, if you log in when the round is in session, you'll be able to see the call calendar for that round. You can also keep an eye out for an email asking you if you want to sign up for the coming round. If you do, you receive the emails that go along with the live program.

[@mrking695]

What if you don’t know what the traumatic experience was?

[@IreneLyon]

Bailey here from Team Lyon. Irene has a vlog on this very topic. Here is the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqeanYKkl9Bjadk. It sounds like you might be new here. If you are, welcome! Want to learn more? Head on over to Irene's New Here page: irenelyon.com/new-here. Be sure to sign up for the free Field Guide to You Nervous System while you're there. Happy learning, @mrking695. 🙂

[@mrking695]

@@IreneLyon thank you.

[@briannalee174]

Is SBSM only hosted once this year? I don’t think I can make it in time for February

[@IreneLyon]

Bailey here from Team Lyon! ☺As of right now, the March 2023 session (February registration) is the only scheduled SBSM program this year. Although not guaranteed, there is a possibility there will be another SBSM program running in the Fall. I hope this helps!

[@shannonmarko6809]

I’m finding the advice unrealistic to implement. What I mean is that, if I am triggered, I am with people in a situation. I am at work, at the grocery store, dealing with my anxiety-ridden screaming child. I don’t have even one second to dedicate to feeling what it is that’s bubbling up, allowing it to overcome me, assessing what it is, getting in touch with it, allowing it to expel. Whatever it is, I have to suppress it in that moment. And then, after, like now, I retain nothing of that trigger. No emotions, no understanding. I don’t understand how the trigger relates to anything, I have no feelings about it. I try and rehash it and live inside my body and I cant bring it up. I have no idea what boundaries were being crossed or how it might relate to built in safeties or trauma responses. All I can see is I got upset with someone who doesn’t respect rules like me, or I lost patience after spending 30 minutes trying to deal with my child who was in their lizard brain. And these feel like perfectly normal responses to me.

[@IreneLyon]

Shannon Marko, Jen here from Team Lyon. As we start to practice, it's often very difficult to practice in the moment. As you described, our survival physiology can "take over" and make it hard to be aware of anything else. This work involves growing skills and awareness, and practicing in times when there is less going on. As we do this over time, our ability to respond - and even our response itself - starts to change. And these are skills that take time and practice to learn. I'll link to one of Irene's related free resources in case you'd like to check it out. 7 Steps to De-Stress - irenelyon.com/7-steps-opt-in-IL

[@shannonmarko6809]

@@IreneLyon thank you, I’ll take a look.

[@MrSimonj1970]

Thanks for all this amazing content Irene and team - I am SO glad I realised what my "problem" is, just knowing why life didn't feel right is a big relief in itself, thank god for youtube and wonderful people like yourself and Dr Levine! A million thanks, I feel like there is light at the end of the tunnel, however distant. I can't afford the course yet, but I'll keep studying the free stuff in the meantime. I am so motivated to recover, however long and painful it may be.

[@theprofessionalpeer]

I was taught to control my breath when I was very young, through classical vocal training. Listening to you, the more I appreciate my natural, intuitive reactions, habits and behaviours (often contributed to maladaptive behaviour) were intuitive and subconscious self-regulation or appropriate trauma responses. The validation is profound, thank you! I've always kept my breathing fairly shallow. I even smoked to control it more. But my body can also shut down to the point of a seizure disorder brought on, by fear. I must now monitor myself in stressful conditions to ensure I'm breathing enough to avoid a " system shut-down". I'm recovering from what I would refer to, as a long-overdue burnout. It's pent-up trauma from the beginning and into a bad adoption situation and my career path had me embedded in a Psychiatric hospital, as a Peer Researcher. But I never had any idea how sick I could physically get from "riding my nervous system" or being able to shut down ( The 5 Fs). It was as though my body saw the pandemic as an opportunity and went into lockdown; a spontaneous healing/cleansing/release cycle... I wouldn't wish on, anyone. I'm glad I found you around 2018 before the floor dropped out because so much would not make sense without hearing you confirming my experiences and what I'm finding or need to know to return my system to a healthy, natural, "flow" state. Definitely, not the 6-8 week turnaround of Western medicine. I still crash from being too excited or being engaged for too long and diet with muscle gain, not strain are a priority. It's much like a cell phone powering off, collapse means collapse. Thanks, again for shedding light, sharing wisdom & bringing such helpful info to the forefront.

[@donwalker117]

Thank you

[@NeuroArtism]

Such a great explanation of breathwork. So many breathwork practices don't encourage titration and absolutely do have that machismo, face fear head on and push thru energy. IMHO, not therapeutic at all. I've shared this video a few times now! Thanks so much Irene 🙏 your education is priceless!

[@jmayed]

i love this question "what does my breath want to do" you've clarified some Qs I had about breath work. thanks Irene

[@oaksongtravels]

Hi! Thank you so much. I'm curious about another aspect of breath work: whenever I try doing guided mediations, or therapy, yoga, or basically anything that involves someone else saying when and how I should breathe, I either completely zone out (dissociation to the point I feel like a full-on zombie), or I get so angry that I want to punch anything and everything in my immediate surroundings. So in a nutshell; it felt to me you mainly addressed breathing whenever we're in a fight/flight/freeze response already, and I'm just curious about when it's the other way around; when breath work actually induces a fight/flight/freeze response. Happy new year!

[@IreneLyon]

Dyna, Jen here from Team Lyon. It's pretty common that some times of breath work can bring on a fight/flight/freeze response. The zoning out is a sign that your system has shifted into freeze/conservation physiology. This can happen for a variety of reasons. For example, it's not uncommon for people to have experienced something in their history that involved an event related to the breath being restricted or being unable to breath. At a high level, we work with this in the same way that we work with other experiences of fight/flight/freeze.

[@oaksongtravels]

@@IreneLyon Thank you so much Jen. That makes a lot of sense actually. Being unable to breathe. I will explore this further! 🙏🌱🌷🌹

[@selfhelpchampion9664]

Breathe. Let go. And remind yourself that this very moment is the only one you know you have for sure. - Oprah Winfrey

[@Yolandi222]

Thank you Irene! I have these spontaneous experiences sometimes when a trigger happens and if I’m in appropriate place I let my breath and expression happen, but I don’t have a specific memory and I don’t know why I hold this , I only know it’s from childhood but cannot link it to a specific memory. Is it also releasing even when you don’t have a memory?

[@IreneLyon]

Aries-Sag, Jen here from Team Lyon. Yes, something is happening even when we don't have a specific memory. That's one of the many cool aspects of this work. I'll link to one of Irene's related videos in case you want to learn more. Can you process a trauma that you don't remember? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqeanYKkl9Bjadk

[@djVania08]

But if there are no memories of these things?

[@marithelenebergan9927]

I would like to know this too! How do you process if you only have the feelings, but no thoughts or images?

[@larsstougaard7097]

Hold it, observe it , be with it lovingly, emotions are energy that wants to move through. Plenty of experiences stuck in the body that has unconscious or non verbal origin. I have also done lot of eft tapping lately on the 8 points ( look it up) help being with the emotions and at the same time connect to the body and nervous system.

[@HeadRecieverAtHeadOffice]

There is still a feeling that comes up, I try to experience it, regarding it as trapped survival stress, or previously bottled up and unexpressed emotions like sorrow that needs to be felt. I started off fully feeling the stuff inside for a few seconds at a time, it can overwhelm the system at first but you can gradually build up to be able to allow it to be felt and shift the energy through your system until you feel better without necessarily needing to know the memory. Sometimes I try to guess where the sadness etc. may have come from, this can help to shift things, stuff like talk therapy can also help you to work out why you might have such feelings, I had doubts about talking therapies and stuff but It helped me come to realizations about myself I would never have been able to on my own.

[@djVania08]

@@HeadRecieverAtHeadOffice Do you take time to observe? I just feel like these practices have potential to be completely overwhelming. There is always something going on in the body. Positive, neutral, negative. The feeling, analyzing, giving meaning. Sounds like a ticket to craziness? :D

[@eloisesmith6467]

@@djVania08 I've been taking the SBSM course. These feelings can indeed be powerful....and taking your time with them, stopping when you're starting to feel overwhelmed, goes a long way toward keeping things 'sane'. The tendency to 'power through', get it done yesterday, is very counter productive. I am very happy I am doing this work. I know it's an ongoing project, and I am pleased with the results so far. Again, taking it in tiny steps is essential. :)

[@Ty44444]

This video is actually gold. This comment is for the algorithm

[@heatherking1801]

how does this work when your're currently experiencing trauma repeatedly in the moment?

[@IreneLyon]

Heather King, Jen here from Team Lyon. It will depend on your nervous system capacity and knowledge of the work at the time you're experiencing the trauma. As we learn to do this work over time, we learn how to process what's happening in real time. Before we learn this, we often need to do whatever we can do get through what's happening. I'll link to a few of Irene's related free resources. If you want to learn how to work with your system, you might check out Irene's 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up course. DIY: Ancient Anxiety Medicine - kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnqmpJWOiqh-o68&lc=UgzKvm65Pqe9xARznlN4AaABAg 7 Steps to De-Stress - irenelyon.com/7-steps-opt-in-IL 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com

[@SavannahE1972]

Hi Irene & team, I have a QUESTION. Yesterday I had an intense experience of fear. I was on my way to my safe(!) Biodanza group and felt very UNsafe. I noticed that I was afraid of going into the group and felt that almost everyone around there felt scary. I talked about my fear when we started and I was trembling and crying. I remember that I breathed out a lot while sitting down and during the first half an hour of the lesson. I felt like a little girl and later, after several dancing exercises, I realized my experience was that from a baby-mode. Several dancers confirmed that they saw my baby-energy and were stunned how I changed in 1,5 hour to my present self again (radiant, present, embodied) The dancing with the (rational being aware that these were) safe people helped me to get out of this very scary state. I have no idea what would have happened if I was alone. It feels to me that this was a trauma coming up of being in the whoomb and not feeling safe in there. My mom had CFS during that time and was concerned about having a second baby because she was already having a hard time with my 2 year old sister because of her fatigue. I am in the SBSM program and although I can understand that this fear was part of a trauma that came up for my healing, I am afraid that I didn't proces it in a way that it was a actual release. Mainly because I breathed out a lot. I hope my story makes sense...my question is: what is your point of view on this? With love, Savannah 😘

[@IreneLyon]

Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Sorry to hear that and thank you for sharing. This sounds like a good question for our moderators. As SBSM is currently not in session, you could post your question on the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up members' area, where a trained moderator can address your question. As an SBSM member you have free access to the course, but you will need to create a separate account for it. Please feel free to reach out to our support inbox for more information. Hope this helps!

[@SavannahE1972]

@@IreneLyon Thank you Sophia, for your suggestion. I will do that. 🙏🏼

[@rachelsweets]

Happy New Year 🍾

[@carolina6683]

If the trauma is stored in our somatic systems, how do we know which particular trauma is surfacing? you mentioned it could be the car accident, for example, but how do we know which one it was and how important is it to identify the trauma?

[@IreneLyon]

Hi Carolina, Seth here with team Lyon. When it comes to processing and healing, it's actually not that important to know which sensations stem from which trauma, and very often there will be emotions and sensations that arise that are actually related to multiple events. That being said, it's not uncommon for memories to surface before, during, or after the somatic work, which can provide the context.

[@carolina6683]

@@IreneLyon Hi Seth and Happy New Year! Thanks for the clarification. My memories are a big jumble so not actually needing to try to force identifying the specific events is a relief!

[@Ty44444]

This is a great informative video. Really good.

[@janetedge2358]

Have been looking for a Somatic therapist in the UK. Do you have a link for practitioners as ideally F2F/ Video consultation is required especially at the start.

[@IreneLyon]

Janet Edge, Jen here from Team Lyon. I'll share some links where you can do a practitioner search. I'll also link to a video of Irene's where she talks about how to find a good somatic practitioner. Somatic Experiencing Practitioner Directory - directory.traumahealing.org Co-Regulating Touch - coregulatingtouch.com How to find a Good Somatic Practitioner - irenelyon.com/2019/11/14/how-to-find-a-good-practitioner/

[@DA-gi6gs]

Thank you when you say sensation is that same as symptoms ie the array of symptoms that can be from CFS/ME? I totally agree with your education on breath work as I can’t manage BW per se as causes more trauma! X

[@IreneLyon]

D A, Jen here from Team Lyon. I'm not sure I'm clear on your question. If you're asking if what Irene describes includes symptoms related to CFS/ME, then yes, this does apply to these. I'll link to one of Irene's related videos in case you want to learn more. On chronic illness, chronic fatigue, autoimmune and more - irenelyon.com/2021/12/26/on-chronic-illness-chronic-fatigue-autoimmune-and-more/

[@DA-gi6gs]

@@IreneLyon Thank you. I was wondering what your view is on the cell danger response Theory. They say due to a trigger i.e. a virus bacteria trauma and so on that the cels can go into a hypo metabolised state like a worm - The autonomic nervous system regulates the cell danger response so then I’m thinking this is all related and these two theories actually correlate with each other. Anyway I’ll be interested in Irene’s review on the groundbreaking cell danger response theory. Thanks

[@IreneLyon]

@@DA-gi6gs - seth here with Team Lyon. Sorry, but it sounds like this is outside of our area of expertise. Sounds interesting though! And yes there could be a correlation. I'll tell Irene about it.

[@vickioxenham7032]

Thank you, Irene, this makes so much sense on an intuitive level 💕