How to Protect Yourself When Stranded On the Road

[@USCCAOfficial]

QUESTION: Have you ever found yourself in this scenario? How would you react?

[@einyv]

1. I would have backed up and said stop please do not come any closer 2. Would still try to be nice as possible but if they still proceeded i would ask 1 more time while still trying to create distance. 3. If they continued to come closer I would draw my weapon (one already has a weapon and already disregarded commands to stay back) 4. At this point, there is disparity of force, reasonable fear (since they kept approaching after i said not to and one has a weapon.) 5. If the guy with the iron was close enough where I could be hit i would fire my weapon. 6. Call 911 then USCCA.

[@andyostertag]

@Billy Bob America they have zero thought or respect of consequences "if" caught. Some thugs will live better in jail or prison

[@backspace6030]

@@einyv You got it all correct! Ability, Opportunity and Jeopardy are all present, in addiction to disparity of force, so the totality of the circumstances exist. Give a strong verbal command to "Go Away, do NOT get any closer", if they keep approaching, she has every right to protect herself. I would just forget about the "being nice as possible". Act confident and commanding.

[@BloodStainedTear]

Anybody who wants to truly help isn't going to try and surround you and won't keep pressing the issue if you tell them No!

[@avonleamontague2469]

3:31 What would I do? I don't know, but I came here to find out... Still don't know.

[@yellowboxster06]

I was in a similar situation a few years ago over a holiday weekend when my wife and I were traveling on I-10 just outside of El Paso. We pulled into a MacDonald's for coffee and when we came out there was this old van parked next to me with at least two folks in it that made me pay attention...so to speak. I pulled out heading east but about10 miles or so outside of El Paso I had a flat rear tire. When I pulled over and got out to inspect the tire there was air rushing out of two, small sidewall punctures in the tire. I didn't want to spend a lot of time on the side of the road so I quickly got out my jack and setup to change the tire. But I noticed that same van parked next to me at McDonald's had just rolled up and pulled over in front of me. The rear doors opened and two guys jumped out insisting they help me with changing the tire. So by this time I'm making a mental note that I'm in a 3-V-1 situation. Initially, there was nothing overtly threatening about the situation other than the fact they insisted in helping and they didn't want to take no for an answer. Neither I nor my wife felt comfortable with this scenario especially since I had everything I needed to change my own tire. Finally these guys got the hint and left after they suddenly realized I was carrying a full size Beretta 92FS in a belt holster. It was now open and visible only because I had just taken off my jacket to change my own tire. Ultimately, we limped home on the spare tire but when I got to a local tire store, the technician said I had at least three ice-pick sized holes in the sidewall of my tire. I concluded that they were likely put there by the guys in the van parked next to us when we went in to MacDonald's for coffee. They likely suspected we were driving cross country over the holiday weekend and a few hacks with an ice pick would lead to my being forced to pull over outside of town along the freeway in the perfect location for a robbery. My belief is they correctly figured out that, while we were in a vulnerable situation, we were a long way from being helpless. I didn't threaten them in any way but I insisted that I did not want their assistance. So they got back in their van, drove about a quarter mile, flipped a U turn, and ultimately headed back toward El Paso.

[@atravers349]

You were very lucky. I'm glad you were prepared to defend yourself and your wife. Guys coming out of the BACK of the van was a definite red flag! Stay safe!

[@torjones1701]

I think one of the best things one can do in that situation is be open and honest. Don't lie. If you haven't called someone, don't say that you have, predators can read your body language and the fear you give of is a narcotic to them. Tell the Truth. tell them that while you appreciate the offer and the willingness to assist, that you don't feel comfortable and would prefer that they left you in peace. Tell them, do not come any closer, I feel threatened. Tell them to leave you alone, you are going to defend yourself. After saying things like this, it then, I think, clears up what their intentions really are.

[@cdlady54_95]

And cut the conversation. The more talk the less u stay focused. That is what they want, distraction. Say NO thanks move on with my hand on my gun.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Those are great tips, Torrey and cdLady54!

[@LindaCBMediaGroup]

I am a platinum member, and I disagree that there wasn't enough information. 2 good guys would have approached from the front, good guys announce their presence to someone, they don't keep coming when someone says they don't need, or want assistance, and they certainly don't use a flanking maneuver like in this video. I would have firmly commanded that both stop, I would have been at the very least gotten my hand on the grip of my weapon, if not drawn, holding it in the ready position as I was backing or angling away from both possible attackers. Now, about the possible victim, her fault was bad situational awareness. As soon as you see someone else pulling off the road, she should have been standing up, and backing up to the rear of the vehicle, where she'd have some cover. Then she'd have a small window of time to assess their intentions, etc. 2nd mistake, I didn't see any sign of her phone being on her person, she could have faked being on the phone with the person in route to assist her....

[@USCCAOfficial]

Thank you so much for being a member of the USCCA family and for sharing your thoughts with us, Linda! You definitely make some good points here! They certainly should announce their presence before approaching her and she should issue more verbal commands issuing them to stop. She does have her phone out at the end of that clip, however, keeping someone on the line while waiting for help to arrive is definitely not a bad idea.

[@Noadvantage246]

Yeah they could also be genuinely nice ppl, I know someone who was a delivery person going door to door without a vehicle and she was caught in a very bad rain storm. This guy insisted she come into his house and get out of the storm, she tried to refuse but he basically pulled her in and shut the door. Thankful he was apparently just genuinely worried and trying to be helpful. That happened over a decade ago and she still talks about it so obviously it must've freaked her out alot at the time. Point is well intentioned ppl sometimes do things that can seem very shady and may not realize how much they're overstepping in their tunnel visioned attempt to be helpful but the last thing you want to do is wrongfully shoot someone like that.

[@LindaCBMediaGroup]

@@Noadvantage246 I agree, that's why I said what I said. I never said she should shoot, I said she should have retreated to cover while assessing the situation. That's why I said it's best to get a grip on her weapon, and maybe going to a low, ready position. These men could have just as easily been people with bad intentions as they could good samaritans.

[@samspappy1634]

Keep distance and tell them you got it firmly

[@georgesoulier3463]

Agreed... and create distance even if it means backing away from the area of your car (assuming she is carrying).

[@billieb3485]

how unhelpful could this be/

[@marcuslrobinson]

I like the fact that she was keeping her distance from the 1st gentleman and then when the 2nd gentleman showed up she change direction as well keeping her distance from him. Distance gives you an opportunity to assess the situation and respond and it gives you enough time to respond to a threat. In a normal circumstance it seems a little weird to back away, maybe suspicious or even stereo typing. But the bottom line here is you should do whatever it takes to protect yourself in such a vulnerable situations. So if that means looking a little standoffish so be it. Keep your distance, stay aware, assess the situation and only use deadly force when you have no other choice.

[@bloodwintertales5984]

It’s a good technique. Even in a normal day to day I try to avoid people get to close. Though I live in a state where being an adult (19) doesn’t allow me to carry a gun to protect myself I always carry a knife but I always try to keep away if someone is close since I have to open carry my blade in my state it keeps them away from grabbing my knife and gives me distance in case I have to run or draw it to defend myself

[@TheMroush]

So to stay legal, she should hand them each a questionnaire to fill out that explains in detail their intent and have them sign it and get it notarized. You cannot possibly know everyone's intent until it's too late. If I were a young pretty girl, I think I'd stay in my car and call a friend or AAA to get help. Her being out there in broad daylight by herself is just too inviting for some bad actors to show up.

[@kennethkristiansen6958]

Tell him to stop and get back if he keeps coming; he becomes a threat.

[@bryanw4582]

This comment is exactly right - any good person trying to help will JUMP back and immediately apologize.

[@Graydog-sx6le]

First thing is get distance and tell the men they make her nervous. How they respond will tell her their real intentions. That will direct her path.

[@JustinOhio]

^^^ This right here.

[@killer13324]

there seemed to be plenty of information. the first guy was overly insistent while advancing on her despite her refusal and attempts to verbally turn him away and his accomplice shows up out of nowhere with the same behavior. This throws up serious red flags and even if both end up seen by the court as unarmed, there's the simple fact that once you're outnumbered, it's immediately life or death if things get jiggy and their behavior, the constant closing in on the woman while ignoring her refusals and her backing away, betrays their malicious intent.

[@movindy]

What if she pulls out a gun (BUT DOESNT SHOOT) and barks commands, is that okay?

[@thomasfranklin7808]

Don't ride along have 4 friends who are armed

[@SelfLoveU]

Yet that poor 88 great grandma just got carjacked, taken home, robbed and raped. She died a month later of a heart attack. She should have been armed.

[@polycat7670]

If my firearm is still concealed, I might consider keeping the jack tool in my hand instead of dropping it. Only to assess the situation.

[@chescabler2659]

You said she would have to prove in court that she acted in self defense. Since when do we have to prove our innocence? Isn't it the burden of the prosecutor to prove guilt? Why would self defense be any different

[@BruceMagnus]

IANAL, but I read that self-defense is an "affirmative defense" and depending on the state, the burden of proof can potentially shift back to you. I'm guessing the logic is that you already admitted to committing the action so now you have to prove that it was justified.

[@USCCAOfficial]

You will have to prove you had acted in lawful self-defense to prove your innocence, Ches. There are certain things a jury will look at to prove you were acting in self-defense. Here is an article you might find interesting about the rules that govern the use of deadly force: www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/use-of-deadly-force/

[@whoa2488]

Not being funny but in a real scenario she wouldn't have got back and jumped up in a defensive position she would have been more than willing to accept the help until he showed her act of aggression or some type of weird demeanor

[@keithsimpson2492]

They are already within her danger zone as well as coming at her from two different directions. She should continue to back up while vocalizing that she does not need help and asking them to leave. If she has a concealed weapon now it the time to put her hand on it, but not draw it out. If the men refuse to leave, that's when the weapon should be drawn as she orders the men to leave in a loud and clear voice. if they still refuse, take them down. She qualifies for reasonable self defense under two rules; #1 she is a woman confronted by a larger, stronger man/men and #2 she is outnumbered and alone. After refusing their offer of assistance and repeatedly telling them to leave there is no question that the men are there for reasons other than to help her.

[@brucehigton4762]

Thanking them first and backing up. Then in a commanding voice tell the other person to join his friend. If he does. Good, If not keep backing up in a safe distance. If they walk at you with the tire iron in a striking position you have a viable excuse to draw.

[@USCCAOfficial]

What other verbal commands can you issue to let them know they are making you uncomfortable, Bruce?

[@jamesyoungblood555]

Thanks for the video and information.. Shalom

[@erie559]

Good guys would stop together at the front of the car, gently get her attention, and then follow her directions . These are not good guys. They split up to rush and overwhelm her. She should yell at them to STOP while backing across the road and moving to her left in order to line them up. She is so close that just standing there may not give her enough time to draw on if they choose to rush her. If they take one step towards her while she is backing up, she should draw her weapon against the deadly threat. If they stop then send them on their way. If they don"t stop, unfortunately it's time to do what needs to be done to end the threat. Making the needed decisions before hand is the only was to react fast enough.

[@Shinobi1Kenobi]

Life isn't always tidy binary scenarios. There are actually good guys, bad guys, and stupid guys. The latter outnumber both of the former. My wife and I have both been in several situations similar to this where we confronted what appeared to be an attack with a less than violent response and it turned out the folks were not a threat and had no clue their behavior would or even should make someone defensive. In all 4 situations I'm thinking about, their behavior included multiple pre-attack indicators. In only 1 it was a single adult male who did it. In the other 3, there were multiple adult males doing that "surrounding" thing with improvised weapons in their hands (picks and crow bars and such). The single male was wearing a jacket in summer in Texas and carrying a satchel with 1 hand inside. He saw my wife gardening with her back to the street in our yard, stopped, looked around a bit, grabbed his bag, and walked up on my wife to about 10 ft before announcing his presence. She had her iPod on or he wouldn't have gotten past shutting his car door. Thankfully, I was watching the whole thing from my desk. I picked up my pistol, hid it in my hand inside a pocket on my cargo shorts, and headed for the back door once I realized he was going all the way to her without getting her attention. When he spoke it startled her and she immediately got defensive and started telling him assertively to get out of her yard. Meanwhile, I opened the back door about 15' to his 7 o-clock. My wife began moving toward his 10-11 o-clock to clear my line of fire as she told him to get lost repeatedly. He stepped TOWARD her and I made my presence known unambiguously, but with the pistol still concealed in hand in the pocket. He turned toward me and started walking toward me saying "I'm sorry. I just need directions..." He was at about 8' from me when he pulled his hand out of that satchel and I cleared the pistol from my pocket to low ready. He froze! In his hand was a small note pad and a pen. He showed me it had an address written on it with a clear look of confusion and alarm on his face and started stammering apologies and backing up. I told him to go get in his car and drive away, and he complied immediately. He was just STUPID. FYI, right across the street from our house is a bank and the city public works department. This was midday on a week day. If he needed directions to an address, either place would have been a smarter choice than approaching a woman working in her garden 75 feet into her own yard and behind a barn on her own property in Texas. My wife looked at me and said, "That guy almost died because he didn't have manners." I smiled, nodded, and said, "Almost." And we went back to our chores. You have to know your "line in the sand." Everyone's is different. That guy almost crossed mine, but not quite. Had I not immediately recognized the note pad before it even totally cleared his bag, I would have shot him multiple times before reassessing the situation. But I did. And he panicked when he recognized he brought a note pad to a gunfight. So it was no longer a threat scenario. What I see in the clip above is either bad guys or stupid guys. Can't tell which for certain. But I know that...as a base line...it is far more likely they are stupid than malicious. So this is the time I would point out just HOW stupid flanking me by coming around both sides of my SUV was.

[@Honestandtruth007]

This Video is Great for Bad signs to Look for and noticed it , Good and Bad....👍💪👍

[@Alavey]

I was so confused.. I swear I thought the title said “stranded on the roof” 😂

[@edwinalgarin1715]

Some times just showing that you have a weapon will make them think

[@Rotn2]

And it's also called brandishing and can get you arrested if you are wrong.

[@USCCAOfficial]

@@Rotn2 That is very right.

[@vicsmith123abc]

I would gladly become USCCA member but I live in NY where they can't sell memberships. I have had a similar situation while hiking in the woods when two guys came out of no where - something was off. I managed to buy time and get away, but what if things went south? USCCA please don't forget about us in NY who can't buy memberships.

[@USCCAOfficial]

@@kennethkristiansen6958 Unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond our control, we cannot sell memberships in the state of NY at this time. I can assure you that we are looking for a NY friendly solution and hope to find one soon!

[@USCCAOfficial]

We definitely won't forget about you, Vincent! We hope to welcome you to the USCCA family soon!

[@andyostertag]

It depends..at the risk of sounding a chauvinist, when possible, in a desolate area with car trouble a lone woman should be on the phone with friends, family or police dispatched and waiting their arrival.. again slot of variables here. The alternative advancement from around the vehicle would be cause for elevation of pulse. My next move in her situation would be to firmly ask them to PLEASE STOP THEIR ADVANCEMENT with a stop left hand signal. And my dominant hand would go to my firearm, talking and accessing the intent from there, not relaxing until realizing their intentions are indeed pure from a safe distance. My instinct would tell me pure intentioned people would have approached together

[@USCCAOfficial]

Calling for help and staying on the phone with someone until help arrives is definitely a good tip, Andrew!

[@SteelPastor]

I think we have all had circumstances where our situational awareness was not up to snuff. The fact that this car is parked in front of her means one of two things: 1. She pulled up on the side of the road and stopped TOO close to another vehicle already parked. (In my opinion... unlikely this is what happened.) 2. The vehicle parked ahead of her drove PAST her and then parked. This situation did not "just happen"...IMHO. She should have immediately gotten to the rear of her car when the vehicle first pulled up. And THEN... mDe her announcement to keep their distance from behind cover. Now... going with the scenario the way it is currently set? I would back up... hand on grip... and make it clear... do NOT continue forward. (The fact that someone went out to their way to flank me around the rear of the car? Bad intent.) If they do not respond immediately to my first verbal command... I am drawing. Ugly scenario!

[@USCCAOfficial]

It certainly is an ugly scenario, SteelPastor! I am glad you noticed that other car placement too! Situational awareness is definitely an important thing to take away from this situation!

[@jaspermcfarland323]

use you speed dial on your phone to have 911 talk to the operator let them know what going on. stay on the line so they can hear.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Jasper, it's a great idea to have 911 on speed dial to be able to reach them quickly!

[@avonleamontague2469]

Yep, this would suck. For the bad guy. Because you have your handy dandy ture iron.

[@FloridaFirearms345]

Personally, I would be ready to defend myself the second I noticed the second person rounding the vehicle. Call it a "gut" feeling, but things were going down hill on this woman. Oh, and I am an Elite member of USCCA.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Thank you so much for being a member of the USCCA family, Florida Responsible Carry!

[@Noadvantage246]

Yeah they could also be genuinely nice ppl, I know someone who was a delivery person going door to door without a vehicle and she was caught in a very bad rain storm. This guy insisted she come into his house and get out of the storm, she tried to refuse but he basically pulled her in and shut the door. Thankful he was apparently just genuinely worried and trying to be helpful. That happened over a decade ago and she still talks about it so obviously it must've freaked her out alot at the time. Point is well intentioned ppl sometimes do things that can seem very shady and may not realize how much they're overstepping in their tunnel visioned attempt to be helpful but the last thing you want to do is wrongfully shoot someone like that.

[@joedoe7839]

She does not have to prove her actions were justified. The prosecutor must prove they wasn't. Correct?

[@DrDougP]

I that point I would yell at them to get back. If they do, then there is probably nothing to worry about. If they don't, then its time to take a defensive stand with a concealed firearm.

[@Rotn2]

I'm thinking that the best thing to do is to maintain distance. Don't let them get behind you and explain that you have everything undergo tell no their help is not required. If they keep approaching then tell them to back away, that they are scaring you. After that weapon is drawn ( while maintaining distance)

[@jamesengland7461]

Look at this from the opposite point of view: 2 guys see a woman with a flat tire and pull over to assist. They simply walked back from their respective sides of their vehicle. On a loud highway, maybe they didn't understand what she was saying. If she pulls a gun, they have the right to pull theirs and fire. Think it's unrealistic? I help people all the time on the side of the road. 3 times I've teamed up with a highway patrol officer to change a tire. Twice I've teamed up with a civilian complete stranger [at least one of those 2 times, he and I "had the lady boxed in with our bodies and vehicles"] to change a tire. A couple of times someone has refused my help. Let them wait for AAA for 2 hours. I've shaken their hands, exchanged hugs, had a blessed day from helping or being helped. Never forget your humanity. Also be ready to defend it.

[@jcronk77]

I am already a member. I would have liked to have seen the rest of this video for more information.

[@Timboykee]

It's in season 4 in the member's video section.

[@Timboykee]

Oops, rather, the Weekly Training. Scroll down the Archives.

[@jcronk77]

@@Timboykee thank you so much for that information because I really wanted to see this one.

[@USCCAOfficial]

@@Timboykee Thanks for helping jcronk77 out! We are happy to have you both in the USCCA family and I hope you are enjoying all of our weekly training videos! :)

[@dennisfinnan1200]

When a car pulled up on a lonely road, she should have stopped what she was doing and quickly gotten into her car and lock the door and have your phone out in hand and ready to dial 911. Also have your gun out on the seat of the car ready to pick it up. If these two men approach the car from both sides, dial 911 and tell them you are being threatened by two men on side of road. If they try the door handle, pick up your firearm and point and be ready to shoot through the glass.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Calling 911 is definitely a good thing to do in a situation like this, Dennis! However, you should also issue verbal commands to let them know they are making you uncomfortable. They could just be two concerned people who want to help you out and brandishing your firearm without giving them any warning can escalate the situation.

[@dennisfinnan1200]

@@USCCAOfficial Good addition, thanks

[@USCCAOfficial]

@@dennisfinnan1200 You're welcome! :)

[@justinmyslive4108]

I believe body language says a lot. The guy with the tire iron his body language was kind of sketchy in my opinion. At that point my mindset would be "keep your eyes on him. He may be up to no good". His buddy coming around the other side I would start barking commands at that point with one hand on my ccw. (Not brandishing at that point mind you)

[@daveleja5686]

One person continues coming forward after they were told "nicely" their help wasn't needed, another comes in from another direction? At that point if I was in that situation, I would take out my weapon and have it at my side making sure they see it (not aiming yet) and "tell" them their help is not needed. If it was a wife or daughter, I hope they would have drawn their weapon by that time. What's the saying "rather judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Brandishing your firearm as a way to deter an attacker can still result in consequences, Dave. You should only draw your firearm if you are in fear for your life with no means to escape. That other person may not have heard you issue commands to the first person so issuing them again and letting them know you have help on the way is definitely not a bad way to start this situation.

[@michaelfisher7835]

I got a what if for you. What if there is a gang about to fire bomb your house with Molotov cocktails and they are in your front yard, bottles lit and ready. Are you just going to do nothing, or are you going to open up on them? Or, go to the door and tell them you already gave at the office.

[@scaatylobo]

Wish you had shown at least a few possible outcomes of the hundreds of possible endings to you video. Far too little information to decide,and was she actually armed ?. Retired cop,and in my travels I had too many incidents while still carrying a badge to list. Now I see that I NEED to disengage if at all possible. H.H.218 allows me to be armed in 50 states,and I don’t want to see how that will play out in ANY court of law.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Thank you so much for the service you have provided to your community in law enforcement, Scaaty Lobo! We appreciate you commenting on our video! We like to make these situations pretty vague so people can decide how they would personally react in a similar situation and what changes to the scenarios would either have someone deciding to draw their firearm or take a different course of action.

[@Noone-rt6pw]

There are a certain breed of people who know how police and prosecutors protect them with their legal formalities, which bad guys are aware of this and talk amongst themselves, where word gets around. Bad guys know many innocent people are worried and intimidated by police, prosecutors and courts, so they play their games. Which if Batman came up and killed them before they had a chance, some twirp would think, did he break any laws I can charge him with and such like. Which is a criminal offense by We The People, 😉.

[@SCAREYUH]

I decide it was a weapon and not a help tool the second that guy came around the car and startled her. he saw that she was startled and he still proceeded to advance without acknowledging. and why would try to box her in if they are trying to help.

[@mithrandir1313]

Distance is our friend! Cop once told me... scum bags frequently look like scum bags.... In this scenario... the approach tactic used by these TWO potential perps definitely should be alarming to the woman... Doesn't rise to the level of shooting...(Yet?)..... but certainly prompts caution, distance and mind-prep! (Remember, always be the FIRST to call 911) Thanks for the video!

[@richarddavis9886]

Just think about it it look like they'll be no damn good to the second guy snuck around the van you can always tell because people body language give off the wrong signs

[@clayhoffman6444]

He’s definitely wearing blue jeans with a suit huh

[@richarddavis9886]

After I said I don't need no help he keep approaching approaching and then as I'm back in the way I look up and see the other guy sneaking around the car the back end of the car now you put me on self-defense mode when the hell that second got come from now I'm on defense mode now I have to get ready to pull because after I said I don't need no help he keep walking up on me with the tire iron that tire iron can be used as a weapon or deadly weapon.. so I'm in fear for my life I would pull my weapon he'll let them see that I I have a weapon but if the approaching me I am going to point it and self defend myself

[@USCCAOfficial]

What other verbal commands could you issue before drawing your firearm, Richard?

[@sammckibben2598]

Advise them you have called help. If they persist in this day and time and 2 men walk up on a lady in distress I would pull my weapon and advise them to leave. Then call the police when you can get to a phone.

[@dondavi5798]

Nope nope. Not against the law to draw in my state. Only a legal problem can come about when it's fired. 2 guys steadily advancing after several "no's" verbalized. Firearm comes out and readied. After that the decisions on survival are back on them.

[@nospam-hn7xm]

I'm a USCCA Channel subscriber... maybe not anymore after this.

[@techtrain65]

Why?

[@USCCAOfficial]

Why is that, nospam1950?

[@sordello51]

I'd say accept the help. Probably 99.99 percent of the time people just like to help! Make them feel good and offer a reward for the act. Most will not take it. Just be prepared for the .01 percent that are dangerous.

[@bwsing01]

To me it looked like she had her firearm on her in appendix position, at this point keep backing away with commands and placing my hand on the firearm not drawing unless situation got worse! Like they continued to approach, because if it was her firearm I saw in the vidio, and they kept on approaching there stupid and want to hurt you! Time to totally defend yourself!

[@glennrobinson7193]

If it was very clear & obvious that they both had evil intent, I would jump the guy with the tool like a tiger looping my arm around his arm thats holding the tool at bicep at same time upper palm strike to his chin with eye claw with other arm, and try to position him to make him a barrier/shield from the other guy. Easier said than done I know, but if you have to act, you must act unhesitatingly & with aggression that hopefully would use the element of surprise on them to put them out of action.

[@JustinOhio]

LOL.. okay.

[@USCCAOfficial]

What signs make it obvious that these men intend to do you harm and aren't just trying to help you, Glenn?

[@Cruzan_Camper]

I would try to make distance between us and verbally tell them it’s ok I got it. The farther away better time to react. Flight first if possible. The car is material stuff and if they took the car, the cops would take over. Correct me if I’m wrong.🤙🏽😁

[@USCCAOfficial]

That's a great way to handle this situation!