I have been doing some repairs on some of my drywall. I started watching your videos for some drywall tutorials. You are an awesome teacher. At age 68 this female just did here first California patch. My husband was most impressed with the end result. ❤❤
@sharihinrichsen6324 Жыл бұрын
I rarely start a home project without first checking to see if you have a video covering my project. Always clear and concise...much appreciated!
@KCRose56 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I like your friendly style of instruction. I've learned a lot. I'm working on my KZbin studio, attempting my first drywall job ever. I would hate to think what it would be like without your videos. You're like the good friend you call when you're stuck and need help.
@buffalomitch70882 жыл бұрын
I've been mucking around with drywall, mud, spackle, etc. for years as Joe Homeowner. I came here to figure out how to match a textured wall that I've never had before. This video was probably the best yet to help me tackle this 2X3 foot patch where a room air conditioner was. I LOVE the trick with the patch keeping the paper on! I've never seen that before and it's brilliant! Thanks for all the help!
@vikp883 жыл бұрын
I just moved into a house that needs a ton of drywall repair and every single wall is textured. This video is a life / $$$ saver!!!
@float323 жыл бұрын
Me too, and this has made me realize I’m doomed with all the ridiculously shoddy patches the previous owner left. See you in a few yearsI guess.
@richeyrich22037 ай бұрын
Could always skim the walls and repaint smooth
@ftr911drvr4 ай бұрын
Thats such an expensive thing to do. Skim coating an entire house that has texture? If a house has texture and the wall and cieling like this literally every inch of wall space in closets etc would need to be skim coated it's not realistic Smh 😂 surely youre joking @richeyrich2203
@lrntmercier4 жыл бұрын
Yes finally we get a textured repair video! Lol!!! I love how you explain things with simplicity and with real life applications! Thank you Jeff for all your knowledge and your care for other people especially in Texas.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!!
@droach52413 жыл бұрын
I’ve been patching my walls after removing cheap fixtures and towel holders so I’ve been getting by with the fix not being textured. I’ve been looking for this video before starting the closet renovations lol
@Tonyhouse11683 жыл бұрын
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@OldMan_Strength2 жыл бұрын
Yes thank you, Jeff! Great stuff.
@thadon3451 Жыл бұрын
Word this the best video out of 50 I’ve watch.. Thx Jeff
@jimmyhazard78372 жыл бұрын
I was freaking out just thinking of a 2x2 patch..and every time I see a patch it's like they never watched a pro like this. Nice job and thank you for putting in the work and not a weekend warrior style. 👍
@lonewolf14613 жыл бұрын
You should get national awards in Canada and the U.S. for your teachings and work ethics. Thank you! 😎
@danielhulan305811 ай бұрын
I love how you help us diy'ers manage our expectations.
@richricogranada96472 жыл бұрын
Jeff, your personality and ability to fix anything around the house makes you my dream husband!
@HomeRenoVisionDIY2 жыл бұрын
I am sure there is another one out there somewhere. Cheers!
@eckvins3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for ALL the clear directions. With a fixer upper as a first home at 53 … your clear directions are with me all the way through.
@AlanLee2383 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@brucegezon4 жыл бұрын
If I just need to fill a small hole that doesn't require taping and blending out into a much larger area, like your 2 smaller hole repairs, I will then wipe off the new excess mud around the hole with a damp rag or sponge, leaving just the small previous 1" diameter hole area to texture. No sanding. Great video as always, Jeff. I love to show them to my son who is out of the air force now & wants to flip houses with me.
@donr34074 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend I do not believe there is a video of yours that I have not watched. I work maintenance 7 days a week and apparently binge watch it seven nights a week. Thanks again.
@oldbootband Жыл бұрын
Jeff this is the best patch job video anywhere. Here where I live it’s almost always knockdown texture on the walls. You are really the best teacher and a hell of a Jack of all trades, thank you.
@Rratedlifestyle2 жыл бұрын
I just started doing a repaint of my whole house and I am so happy I found this video. You explain so well without a bunch of unnecessary comments and drag out the explanation. You make this so simple and walk us through it. You just got yourself another subscriber right here. Thank you!!
@kejounburton53362 жыл бұрын
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@RoyCampanella442 жыл бұрын
16:28 ; 20:19- Totally Bob Ross Both the only way I'm able to renovate my entire house--and the reason I'm not done ('cause I'm watching his for fun)! Thank you, Jeff.
@RichBrook-fy3kk5 ай бұрын
This great video helped me do my first drywall hole repair on a textured wall. It was a bit daunting at first, but I was so happy with the result that I felt like going around the house with a hammer and making more holes to fix. Here are a few lessons I learned. I had never used any kind of drywall compound before, so I used Dry Dex for everything. I watered it down with a few sprinkles of water. I think mud would have been better on the first two coats. After I was almost done, I finally found the 5, 20, and 45-minute mud products, as well as the premixed mud (which says 24-hour dry time and a small container costs the same as a bag of the dry mix--around $10). The drywall paper gets soggy very fast and can tear or get damaged. After this happened on the first patch, I primed it before the second application. This seemed to help. Texturing was like the Super Bowl of the project and caused great consternation. I used a spray can of knockdown product. The key was practicing on scrap material to see how the product actually works. After many tries, I realized this product matched my wall best when I just let it dry without scraping. I also applied it in multiple applications rather than all at once. Finally, I used the spray Kilz, but it left a powdery-looking finish. I prefer brushed-on primer. It will probably look the same after painting either way--I haven't finished yet.
@djcsound3 жыл бұрын
Jeff as you may or may not know from my comments... I am a DIY'er and ex Handyman but I gotta say I find your videos most educational and informative. Keep up the good work. God Bless.
@jmendozapepito992 жыл бұрын
Talking about texture……. Following your wise instructions, fixed my home office celling in less than 15 minutes plus some time for preparation. CONGRATULATIONS!!! I have follow your videos for some time and learning on every of your videos🙏❤️🙏
@HomeRenoVisionDIY2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jose!
@mstinamichele2 жыл бұрын
Glad I clicked on this video looking for how to texture a wall for a patch we just put on. I would have never thought of using a paintbrush. Genius. Also, thanks for the head's up on painting the whole wall once done. This wall is textured, but I sanded it down a bit and put primer on it. Patched the hole, then will primer the wall before painting. We have an area near our kitchen where there are about 2 or 3 spots (not small) that have a different sheen than the rest of the wall. Its been like that for over 15 years. I figured we must have ran out of paint and got the wrong sheen, but that doesn't make since as its only those spots that look different. The other guess is that a different mud compound was used on those spots, however same with the paint in saying that didnt make since either unless someone went over it again. It also doesn't look like a patch job either (its really high on the wall). In case, once we get to that wall we will be sanding down the texture a little bit, adding primer and painting with a new color. Thanks again!
@grumpycat_12 жыл бұрын
I use foam to back patches/fill gaps in drywall all the time... I used to think it was a hack, but the results speak for themselves... Glad to see i'm not the only one. On small repairs on some texture finishes trimmed foam with a single coat of 20 min followed up with a large nap paint roller looks like almost a perfect match. One thing I have found that works amazingly on deep /large repairs is fiberglass mesh tape pressed deeply into wet foam ... It dries hard and strong and keeps the mesh tape in place so you don't get sags, you can even sand it if it dries "proud" of the finished surface.
@dawnm26473 жыл бұрын
Jeff you are so awesome , I watched your tile repair and I plan to watch more of your video's. I can not thank you enough. I was really upset seeing a broken backsplash tile. You helped me have the confidence to fix it. Thanks so much, please keep posting these video's.
@dennisfahey23793 жыл бұрын
Just want to note that the canned aerosol knock down "patch repair" stuff is only good for walls and not ceilings. It just lacks the pressure needed to spray upward that a true hopper with a compressor would have. At least in my experience. Like to hear your opinion/guidance. For ceilings dabbing on the material as shown here is great. You can also use a ball of natural sponge which gives you a less uniform distribution as the pores are randomly sized. These can be bought online or from an import furniture store or body and bath boutique. Finally a trick I got from another drywall pro was when repairing and texturing - "read the wall". What he meant by this was you will see a direction to the knockdown. Its thick where the person started the stroke and thinner where it ended. If you replicate this directionality the light will reflect in a uniform way across the ridges. If you are contrary to the flow you will see the finish (satin, gloss etc) look weird. Even if you paint the entire wall or ceiling you cannot eliminate this as it is a light reflection/dispersion effect (like a lens flare). When I followed this simple tip I was stunned how good even lesser efforts looked.
@shelleyminehart74093 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion, a looped roller (small vinyl loops) used after applying compound let dry then use a trowel to strike down and match rest of wall. I think they are readily available for about $6.00 no hopper no equipment needed. Also for some of us impatient people I keep a small hand held hair blower to dry patches quickly. Love your channel especially after you work an area you go over it with your hand! If you feel it you will eventually see it. Great advise.
@trinsit2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. A brush would be good for a small hole. My hole is gonna need that looped roller. Lol
@clewismessina66303 жыл бұрын
Sir, you should be in charge of the entire planet's 'how to' videos. This is exceptional. Thank you!
@STV-H4H2 жыл бұрын
I’ve done lots of dry wall work, mostly repair work. Seeing the way you made the mud, just like a pasta maker, is a first! F’ing brilliant!
@BenRush2 жыл бұрын
Best video on repairing textured walls on the internet. Thanks again.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Ben , How did it turn out for you?
@kathykaura72199 күн бұрын
Yea, you took the fear out of repairing a wall myself. Might have saved me a couple of grand having a professional come in and paint my interior for me. Thanks.
@baldypalmsrailroad4 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing just found your video on repairing texured drywall after doing a plumbing repair in the house. I really like the California patch too! Great idea. 👏👍
@HomeRenoVisionDIY4 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@s.vincentparish81684 жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC VIDEO!! Thank you for this one. I've always had textured walls and could never get the texture right.
@HomeRenoVisionDIY4 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@OGForEverProd2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any videos repairing plaster ?
@judithvela4274 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you, I just learned the easiest way to repair a sheet wall. Can it be done the same way on cement wall?
@yevgeniytsarkov72562 жыл бұрын
Great! Thank you. I was trying to do the same to day with joint compound. Going back now to try with caulk. Thank you
@paulzaky31212 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for having this video. I’ve 90 so I’m assuming two to three hours before sanding. How is the best way to do inside corners on the ceiling at the top of a wall.
@erickahill65793 жыл бұрын
You have fun with your home repairs! That decreases anxiety for me as I look over the list of projects that I have to tackle. Thx for your great video content!
@JoseAndrade-ic7er3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jeff. I’m planning on putting a subway tile backsplash in my kitchen and was wondering if I can simply apply mastic directly on the painted wall, or do I need to remove the paint first? Thanks.
@atienzo983 жыл бұрын
When you used the Alex caulk, you literally blew my mind!!!!!! Worked at paint department at home depot for 3 years, how did I never learn this awesome trick, to heck with the spray texture!!!
@alexstauffer33593 жыл бұрын
Love the glibness that accompanies putting a hole in the wall.
@kolitiokada98252 жыл бұрын
Hey Jeff! So glad I found your video with knock down texture! I removed my upper kitchen cabinets and boy do I need this! Thanks!
@fatequalsflavor10 ай бұрын
Thank God for guys like you with years of experience taking the time to show us DIYers what we're doing wrong. Would love to see what you do when butted up against a corner. I was running ethernet and goal was to get close to the stud (to drill through) and using furring strips (before I discovered Cali patch through this) and had nothing to screw to on top or side. Made it work but it was u-g-l-y.
@drewblood4 ай бұрын
I'm getting ready to do a pretty large patch and the nerves were high, but you are so much fun to watch and informative, I'm feeling a lot better about the project. Crossing fingers.
@drewblood4 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks again. I finished out a 6.5"x 8.5" California patch overnight and I'm shocked how good your instructions were. I've never done more with drywall than spackled some nail holes in rental walls, but I was able to hide that big hole pretty effectively even before I add paint! It wasn't cheap to get all the supplies but I'm sure it was a lot cheaper than hiring a pro.
@JamesSharp-i9d11 ай бұрын
Great video, step by step experiencing the live application is a great way to experience the application before wasting a can of texture. Well done, great job.
@johnvalenzuela52792 жыл бұрын
Helo from Az. I have seen many videos on DIY from KZbin University. No question yours are the best. Your flow of instruction along with demonstration and comparison make hard projects easy to do. Matching texture is an art you made doable for knuckle draggers like me. You have a new subscriber.
@dylanyoung57962 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much jeff. This video helped me save thousands in repairs to water damage.
@josephbarerra9825 Жыл бұрын
Just repaired a 12×12 patch on popcorn ceiling. Any videos on matching popcorn ceiling and techniques. Thank you. Great video
@haykogh3 жыл бұрын
for anyone struggling to get the texture to match like me, they sell texture in a can in home depot and other paint places. still not a great match because they only have 3 different textures to choose from but way easier trying to match it from scratch. that stuff is like 20 bucks a can so thanks Jeff for the affordable options.
@bradnelson30532 жыл бұрын
I use those cans and spray in an ever widening circle
@KrisCoats763 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all of your videos, currently in the middle of some drywall work from moisture damage. My walls are unfortunately textured in what can only be described as road rash because that’s what you get if you rub up on it. With any luck I’ll be priming and texturing tomorrow.
@Matt-dc8lp4 жыл бұрын
One second to make a hole, one day to repair it. Like a lot of things in life.
@cameron30322 жыл бұрын
Yo LIFE FACTS
@frankhannay38352 жыл бұрын
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@WhenWordsFailMe2 жыл бұрын
Too true
@frankhannay38352 жыл бұрын
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@dm91522 жыл бұрын
Great video on repairing a textured wall 3 ways. Thanks for making this video for us.
@cypvh743 ай бұрын
For one wall patch I did, we found a spray product in a can that splattered the wall with stuff, then you wait some time and do the knock-down. It worked out well enough.
@andrewbohuslav10223 жыл бұрын
At the end of the video you briefly discuss the next steps in completion of this wall after you have repaired the holes. Is there any way around painting the whole wall? If there is not which video do you recommend for painting over textured walls. For example, to cover scuff marks, dirt spots that cannot be wiped off.
@missyfrederick8083 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all this information . I’m a painter and I’m finding a good painter can also drywall … Very helpful
@tay136664 жыл бұрын
Good video. Wish my walls were that easy. I had to try and match a textured pattern. All 4 walls in my living room have a subtle overlapping swirl pattern in the plaster. That took so many tries to get close. Both the pattern, and the depth of the texture.
@topcop93163 жыл бұрын
I have plaster walls and ceilings I need to paint. Are there different techniques that should be used? I haven't found a video you have done with plaster.
@slappy19653 жыл бұрын
I too would like to know if this these techniques would work on a plaster ceiling.
@nicks57145 ай бұрын
Monumental. Answers every question I have had for 1 month of searching
@MattDragonTamer3 жыл бұрын
When blending with the brush I was expecting the "... And I think we are going to put a happy little tree here..."
@jaimeong94192 жыл бұрын
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@DJazzy111 ай бұрын
yeah...the voice of Bob Ross was coming from the past with me, too!
@erikdavison40993 жыл бұрын
I have used a wet sponge or rag also to do knock down as you say
@Crazyrubberduckie3 күн бұрын
I have torn drywall paper taking out an old bathroom vanity. After priming the paper can I use this technique. Apply hot mud then spackle for final layer + some orange peel texture? Or do I need a proper joint compound top coat. Thanks
@Michael-osas3 жыл бұрын
Your attention to detail is spot on.Another perfect demonstration. Thank you.👌👍
@rolandthethompsongunner646 ай бұрын
Jeff definitely knows how to do a professional job. The problem is people aren’t going to pay you to do a professional job. If I had to charge for his it would be at minimum a 200 dollar repair. Nobody is going to pay that much to repair a couple holes in their wall. Not to mention you will now have to paint that entire wall. So add another 150 to a simple repair job.
@floridasaltlife3 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of videos I really like and benefit from !!! Please do something similar on ceiling textures as well !!!!!
@mekender32954 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, I have multiple repairs to do similar to this... Question though, is there anything wrong with using the spray can texture that you can get at the home improvement store for about $10?
@neli.a Жыл бұрын
It’s $18 (US) now … for the small can 🫤
@Belthorian3 ай бұрын
I have an older home circa 1950 and I do not have drywall but plaster instead. Do I use standard dry wall compound to fill in nail holes and wall anchors?
@rrome61782 жыл бұрын
I just love to watch your videos! You make everything seem so doable. I have a texture that looks like drips. Not knocked down. I don’t think this came from a can or hopper, probably very wet drywall mud and a roller?
@eduardosolorzano91153 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I just started watching your videos and thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with us. God bless and protect.
@tablatronix2 жыл бұрын
been looking for this video for years! I patched some holes and they are so smooth compared to the heavy knapp layers of paint finish, gonna try a roller and thinned mud!
@SwiftKickThrowBack3 жыл бұрын
Which video in the description describes thoroughly how to mix the mud on the hawk (sp?). Thanks!
@waldowaldoson56213 жыл бұрын
Just started watching your videos, so you may have done this. An explanation of how to do all the different textures would be awesome. You give plenty of examples and details. I have only been shown how to do flat, dob and knock down. There are still many I need to learn. If you haven't yet I think that video would get alot of views. Like that ceiling pattern that looks like brushed out circles, I cant find that anywhere.
@allanmurphy74742 жыл бұрын
Great information, if you have a small crack that runs the length of the ceiling. can you use caulk to fill the crack in the drywall, then texture with one of the methods shone in video?
@courtneyklecka6743 жыл бұрын
Would you follow these texture guidelines if something (like a cabinet) was removed and has a different texture behind since it was painted around multiple times? I’ve taken kitchen uppers down to add open shelving and there’s quite a difference.
@chadrinella48753 жыл бұрын
Hearing that tapping of the brush. Making me think of bob ross “happy little trees” lol great work as always
@dawnsullivan62337 ай бұрын
You make it look very easy. Is there a way to do this for walls that have a lot of glue or caulking sticking out it’s been a few years like that.
@masonkanterbury30073 жыл бұрын
You're the best no nonsense hole fixer with the best products. Accept no substitute I say.
@JDDVTO3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic tips. Thanks. One thing I do for the last step before texturing is with a wet sponge feather the edges more so it blends in better. Not so much as it remove too much mud. Find this works well too.
@sky-163 Жыл бұрын
You are my favorite handyman, youtuber. Thanks for sharing your knowledge 🙏 God bless you always and success in any field, whatever you do. Om mani padme hung 🙏🙏🙏
@normaespinosa82422 жыл бұрын
I moved a shelf in the pantry so I have the shine from the support. Would you recommend the pink putty. 😅 😊
@1charcoal1 Жыл бұрын
Great information!. I just wish the camera was looking at the area of interest so we could better visualize the process.
@MichaelTJin-ee5go2 жыл бұрын
best one among hundreds on texture repair 👍👍👍
@bhumane86423 жыл бұрын
I have two holes I have to repair, which is how I came across your videos! One is a small hole about 1" by 2" under a double light switch. The other is a large hole because I tripped and fell into the wall. I love this video and the trick on using the paper from drywall. I assumed in order to repair drywall, you had to cut out far enough to find wood/studs. After watching this, I see you do not have to do that for small holes. But, for my large hole, do I need to do that and attach with screws? I also did not know there was such a thing as dry compound!! Not sure what product to use for my two repairs. Would love your thoughts! Love this video! I learned a lot!
@HowIDoThingsDIY3 жыл бұрын
Great techniques! I have to cut a big hole in drywall to run some wiring. I'll try to use one of these techniques!
@gregwiddicombe7036 Жыл бұрын
I love it! As a part-time house flipper, I am constantly filling wall holes, spackling, and deciding whether I need to worry about texturing or letting it go. No more cans of spray on text that just never match the wall, I can't wait to try these techniques on my next job.
@joannearley2 жыл бұрын
Jeff here is the most entertaining DIY person on the net.
@annlvova53282 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video on repairing inner and outer corners of the drywall?
@kylegiersdorf99217 ай бұрын
Love how easy you are to follow. You’re the man! Appreciate it!
@TrishZenCorner Жыл бұрын
I just did all my patches with the patching plaster container, do i still need to get that pink stuff you used ? And i have Killz primer but in paint can i just use that or should i still buy the can spray? Please help doing the ENTIRE house over after some contracteors messed up the whole house 😢😢
@BikerGeek Жыл бұрын
Great video. Working on filling in areas where I pulled the vanity off the wall in my bathroom and it tore away some of the paper. There's no holes though. I assume I'd just use the Drydex or should I use both?
@Dnasty1 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video I am attempting my first job and even though you intended to teach texture I gained insight in the whole process from watching this. I like how you didn't use any wood or screws to do this. Can I do what you did with just the spackling? I don't have any mud or fancy stuff. Also was this a very well ventilated room? I've never thought to use a spray can like that inside because of all the potential hazards.
@par3me3 жыл бұрын
Nice tip for cleaning up extra mud in the texture is using a damp sponge. You can also use it to clean up ridges you may have left behind as the muds setting up. 5 minute mud works great if you can work quickly. 👍🏼
@bentsprockettech Жыл бұрын
🤯 I will admit, I was a little skeptical when I saw you put the caulk on the wall. Never seen it done that way, but thank you for sharing a new way to do this. All of the walls and ceilings in my house are textured in one way or the other. More skills for the toolbox. Thanks for sharing this with us.
@urspecial2me2 жыл бұрын
Never thought about using a paint brush to texture my drywall. Appreciate this video! Thx Jeff!
@quanahabshire7066 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else trying to patch their apartment wall in secret?
@RenTheOriginal10 ай бұрын
I'm secretly patching the walls of my apartment complex that I own. I patch the walls from the inside out however.
@ZachMartin-b2g10 ай бұрын
Only reason I’m here.
@kylegiersdorf99217 ай бұрын
Yep!😂
@henryhooker32827 ай бұрын
Bro me dead ass! 😂
@stevenholub34467 ай бұрын
@RenTheOriginal oh shit it's our land lord
@stevenocita15023 жыл бұрын
Jeff I have numerous nail pops so I dug out the nails and put one screws above and below the old nail hole, a few of the holes increased in size because the painted paper was loose and peeled. Then I sprayed with Kilz used 45 minute hot mud coated sand coated as needed.The results were great until I painted the room they were very noticeable because they were so smooth and large they didn't match the drywall paper I tried a longer nap roller no luck any help would be greatly appreciated.
@kathyusa-iowa51373 жыл бұрын
I may be too late, but I have one for you. Above my shower surround is drywall. Overspray has caused cracking and pulling away of the top layer of the drywall along the edge of the surround. I plan to install peel-and-stick tile above the surround as a "backslash". But I know I need to fix the water damage first. How do I do that along this edge? I would think I need it back to "normal" so it'll be flush for the tile to stick to. Any advice you could provide would be greatly appreciated‼️🙏🥰
@aruarunasalam5391 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. So much better than other videos I have seen. What is that makes the Canadian skilled worker so much more articulate than the ones South of the border? 🙂
@NowForSomethingComDiff5 ай бұрын
The Bob Ross of home repair! Thanks for the great video!
@emc388 Жыл бұрын
Would you use this same process of lapping the drywall paper (in lieu of mesh tape) where the patch crosses a few studs (able to fasten the patch to studs)?
@wilburborrero892 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your videos. I have a textured wall that has a stress line 1/16th" about 6' long. How would I deal with this type of repair?
@aweebunny3 жыл бұрын
I can't think of a better way to produce, create and edit 'How To' videos on KZbin than what I'm seeing here.
@TwistedSou14 жыл бұрын
What grit are you using on that orbit sander? Thanks for the vids.
@timothydillon64213 жыл бұрын
220, 222 what ever it takes. Lol. You can use 36 or even 24. It doesnt matter when you mud over it