How To Set Your Suspension Up In 12 Minutes - EMTB / EBIKE Suspension Set Up Basics

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How To Set Your Suspension Up In 12 Minutes - EMTB / EBIKE Suspension Set Up Basics
Riders I hope all is well, This week we help Nico the Aussie Punter set up the Giant Reign E+ for his first ebike reviews...
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[@bradsanders6954]

Suspension on dirtbikes or mt bikes, is such a tricky thing. Many riders simply dont have a feel for whats good or not. Introducing low and high speed into the mix, its easy to get lost. Returning to oem settings is the way to start over again. The OEM settings can often work really well. Ive been thru this on dirtbikes a lot, riders will send forks and shocks out for a complete redo based on something they heard, or out of lack of ability to set it up stock. Every rider is different, many different terrains are ridden, its just not a simple thing. On thing I found on my Spectral ON CF8, is I set the sag to recommended level, and rode it a lot that way, clanging the pedals off every rock constantly. It was too low to ground. Finally I added 20 PSI to shock, the sag setting was very close to what it was before. But man did it work better. Little bit firmer ride and the pedal strikes almost stopped. Huge difference and much more speed could be maintained thru rocks and etc. It had been wallowing way too much also. When the shock was at the lower psi setting, I could look down and watch it on a nearly smooth trail, and it was totally low riding well thru the travel, but the sag was at recommended setting. An extra 20 psi and thats the way it works the best, still shows same sag. Doesnt really make sense, but it works.

[@MrDwayno]

I found that as well. Being a heavier guy 100kg+ I found the sag didn't change much with the higher psi's but the performance sure did, in that plus/minus 20 psi or more range. I guess it is only a base setting recommended so you really have to keep tweaking as you go to find what works for you.

[@msjj000]

Sam, absolutely epic video - thanks for putting out such a detailed video! Nice work.

[@SamsBikes]

Mark I’m so stocked you told me! I try really hard on these videos to help you riders and these comments mean so much

[@TCK71]

Perfect video for setting up my suspension as I’ve just bought this exact eMTB. Cheers!

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks mate

[@marcsee4072]

I knew you love Reign e+ the most. Can’t wait to get one too

[@gbarton800]

Nice job, guys! Thanks for posting.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks mate!

[@rickbault1221]

That chart is awesome!!

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks 🙏 mate

[@dukey_1337]

Nice video! If you are really going for single millimeters, you need to measure the sag on the side of the O-ring facing the damper body.

[@johnglynn7795]

Sam, greetings from Singapore. Great video on FOX 38 Suspension! Well done mate. Jg

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks John

[@Andomaca1]

Great guide

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks mate

[@markdance574]

Sam I just sold my Scott mc20 carbon full suspension and modified to buy a Scott strike 930 . So far I’m immediately thinking it needs in restricting plus it’s heavy . Otherwise great bike and love the Scott design to tune the system will on the ride

[@dukemasters6829]

Might have to watch this a few times 😜🤣

[@SamsBikes]

Hahaha I know it’s hard to get your head around

[@michaelord8084]

Helpful video mate and thanks for putting together the suspension calc sheet 👍👍

[@SamsBikes]

Hey mate not a problem it can be confusing but if you follow the steps it’s pretty easy

[@michaelord8084]

@@SamsBikes been out and got a shock pump, downloaded your sheet and the Fox manual so that’s tonight’s entertainment 👍

[@SamsBikes]

Haha enjoy I remember them days it’s fun learning new stuff

[@tonygee3284]

Great video Sam Great to see Nicco again.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks mate and yep Nicko will be in some videos soon!

[@tonygee3284]

@@SamsBikes Thanks for this great suspension set up I got my 2020 reign E 2 dialed in and wow its awesome Cheers m8

[@waheedhassan1643]

Great video, however, I noticed that the rear tyre has hardly any air in it. The tyre in itself will also contribute to suspension so its worth making sure that the correct air is added too

[@stevethomas6479]

Brilliant vlog just got the same bike & iam roughly 100 kg & no idea how to best set suspension up can't wait to see these new vlogs UK subscribe r here

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Steve thanks for the kind words!

[@SamsBikes]

Riders I hope you like this I’m very sorry I made a mistake on the rear travel stroke lengths it’s 62,5 not 70mm so use your fox user guide to get the correct sag. Happy riding and if you have any questions just ask.

[@jean-francoislay6471]

Hello Sam , if you measure the shock like fox shows it , the full stroke of the giant is 70mmm.

[@Joseillo500]

It may have been forgotten that some e-bikes are so heavy that the suspensions are a bit compressed by the weight of the ebike. For example, the original travel of the fork is 170mm, but if you take this travel when the fork is in the ebike, this travel could be 165mm due to the weight of the ebike. So, how do you have to take the sag in this case?? Do you have to consider that the real travel is 165 or do you have to subtract 5 mm of the sag that you are looking for??

[@camwells9726]

Great video mate , brought the 24 e+1 with the same suspension, will use to get myself started Watching now ( hence the edit 😂) and just heard you say you are 85 kilos , same as me , Any chance you can give me exactly your set up front and back ?

[@teorolezio]

great video, perfect for tune my new reing e+1, but i have a question: i do my sag on rear, i saw on last two trail che the rear come to limit switch, so i try to close the comprension and it was perfect for my ride's style. is it a correct way to ride or i have to close the rebound or put more air? i dont want to break my rear :)

[@BSE75]

Hey SAM can you test Quarq ShockWiz from SRAM/Rockshox ?

[@WM84629]

My ebike fork naturally sags 5-10mm through its own weight. Do you need to take this into account when setting the sag?

[@brokenlegz]

The front tyres on backwards?

[@TheAngryHusky]

I am having hell with my Fox forks. I have a 36 on my levo and a 34 on my intense primer and both one of them is harsh AF. Like I can't even deal with the extreme vibration in my hands. I've tried everything possible and can't get any of them to feel half ass smooth. Including servicing the lowers and removing excess grease. I had a Fox 38 on my decoy and it was super plush off the top in comparison. I have played with air pressures, tokens, sag, and all rebound and compression setting combinations and nothing seems to help. I can't imagine that 2/2 forks have issues. Any tips for low speed comfort? They both feel great on high speed hits.

[@SamsBikes]

Mate thanks for the question, it does sound pretty strange, I’ve had 36 on my levo sl and they were epic! Maybe do a full service or just send them back to fox and get them to look into them! Also I want to mention low speed compression works best 2-4 click from fully open, fully open for me isn’t as plush my go to is 3 clicks

[@louisglauser3863]

Great video! I have the same bike and it's a delight What pressure should I set for the FOX 38 Performance 170mm fork for a rider weight of 90 kg? I followed the manual's recommendation of 102 psi, but I feel it too stiff...

[@SamsBikes]

Hey 👋 mate yep sometimes fox 🦊 recommended a little to firm maybe try and drop 5psi at a time and see how you get on!

[@camwells9726]

What psi did you settle on ? I’m same bike at 85 kilos so keen to know how others set theirs up

[@86309]

do you have a link to download that awesome chart your awesome wife made? Id love to have a few copies to keep track of my, and my friends bikes. Thanks Sam!!!

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Patrick haha mate I’m glad you like it, it did take some time to make is clear! The download link is in the show notes 📝

[@redtobertshateshandles]

You just reminded me to create a Word doc bike file. Did it for a horrible trail bike I owned but really need one for the e160.

[@SP-ss4uo]

Hey Sam. If you slow the rebound down to slow when measuring sag it might not return enough once you get off the bike, so you can't measure sag measurement properly as it's not rebounding enough to get to full stroke extension. I've experienced this before

[@SamsBikes]

To be honest mate I think this is the best move for a base setting and I’ve done it a lot

[@SP-ss4uo]

@@SamsBikes fair enough you just need to make sure you lift the bike up so it fully extends so you get the right measurement. Otherwise you'll have all the amateur guys measuring smaller measurements than they actually have

[@redtobertshateshandles]

I remember buying a dirt bike that jumped up a couple of inches when I backed off the rebound.

[@SP-ss4uo]

@@redtobertshateshandles I have a dvo jade x. To change the spring you have to wind the rebound all the way in to slid the spring off. I was trying to get the correct spring rate so swapping springs out over a couple of springs I had and checking the sag on each. I kept getting inconsistent sag readings. I figured out I wasn't backing it off after swapping the springs over.

[@bradsanders6954]

Damping affects suspension when suspension is moving, its not doing much if at all with a stationary shock. The bouncing up and down, is the first thing they tell you not to do when setting sag on a dirtbike shock or fork. Just sit on it, and thats the sag.

[@porroco]

What would be HBO on rockshox to adjust, the end of the travel to avoid BO is yo tight HSC, but now we got HBO.

[@emoneyragz9131]

Hey Mate! I'm a Clydesdale on a yeti 160e 282 lbs kitted up and cannot for the life of me get the sag right! Fork is maxed out! Need help! Please

[@SamsBikes]

Mate! Send me a PM on Instagram and we can chat! You definitely need some tokens

[@nobrks]

The rear travel is 62,5mm not 70mm, but in my experiance the rear of the Reign needs more sag for riding a rough terrain. 23mm is my sag, and shorter cranks.

[@SamsBikes]

Oh really I measured the stroke at 70mm but I’ll take your word on that so much to get right in this video.

[@MrFlapstick]

@@SamsBikes x2 comes in fixed size shafts, and uses a spacer to achieve the stroke. If you decompress fully there will be 10mm approx of shaft. Same on the fork it’s a 170 air spring in a 180 chassis. This messed with me for ages on setup 😂

[@jean-francoislay6471]

I’m riding an L size , but want to change my cracks for shorter: 160 or 155 ? I’m touching the ground in areas where I never hit with my 2019 trance E0 !

[@jean-francoislay6471]

Which size of cranck did you choose?

[@nobrks]

@@jean-francoislay6471 I also have size large, I did go with Miranda 150mm QF16 and oneup thin alu pedals. I wish I could get same pedals in narrower version, and go with 155m cranks.

[@MrGreenhutt]

I think I made a mistake when setting my suspension up. When settting the sag you open everything wide open and after setting the sag I was adjusting the copression from open. I believe after setting the sag, you must make your compression setting from a fully closed position.

[@Redzuano]

I believe the front tyre is fitted incorrectly ? Th DHF logo is supposed to be on the drive side.

[@MrFlapstick]

Hey man I don’t think you can set up a heavy bike like this with 85kg -100kg riders without volume spacer tuning. Stock this Bike usually has 2 in fork one on the x2. Probably needs to go to 3 and 2 or you will hitting the bump stops regularly @100kg. So many 10k bikes set up like shit out there

[@SamsBikes]

Yep 👍 that’s the second step once the rider is out on the trails right

[@MrFlapstick]

@@SamsBikes yeah man you are doing a great job on the vids keep them coming, people need to understand this stuff because the shop will never be able to get it really dialled

[@redtobertshateshandles]

I'm 95kg and have to add a bit of air otherwise I'm using all my travel just riding around town. Lost plushness. I think ebikes need their own shock design with progressive coil.

[@MrFlapstick]

@@redtobertshateshandles coil is more linear than air, even if you get one of those funny progressive coils. Check your volume spacers, put 2 in if that’s the x2 (max), reset sag and you will be sweet

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Digital pump. Agree 100%. My analogue shock pump is hard to read. The readings are really close together. Or maybe it's just because I'm an old fart. 🤷

[@SamsBikes]

Haha and me! But I wish rockshox would do a double connection when connecting the air. Like it’s very high pressure and you definitely loose a small amount when you connect and disconnect

[@redtobertshateshandles]

@@SamsBikes I forgot about that.

[@Chris-sf2cp]

If he is wearing a camelback with a water reservoir his weight will change due the camelback becoming lighter as he drinks the water

[@SamsBikes]

This is true but you need to get that base line