How To Setup A SAB Goblin RAW 580 With A iKon FBL

In this video we go over the setup for a RAW 580 with a iKon FBL unit.the setup is for straight forward and simple. iKon gives you endless options for setup and tuning. Combined with a Spektrum Radio and SRXL2 you can do Foward programming right from your radio! As well as full telemetry with a Hobbywing ESC.
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[@larrychamel]

Another Fantastic IKON 2 FBL Setup Video and using the Spektrum ix12 Transmitter is terrific! Thank you very much for sharing this Incredible Video with us, Jeff!!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you Larry! I’m glad it’s helpful and hopefully you can learn some stuff from it as well! Hopefully you are recovering great!

[@larrychamel]

@westhobbiesrc8051 Thank you very much, Jeff! There's lots of swelling and soreness, but it will get better. Unfortunately, it's 21°F here tonight and I don't think that helps too much. Talk to you soon Jeff and my best to You and your entire Family!

[@drummer5140]

Where would we be with out your time and commitment to the hobby. Thanks for all you do.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I appreciate it! I hope theses video are helpful and everyone can learn from them!

[@dimitrybattesti7930]

​@@westhobbiesrc8051 Hello Mr why on name helicopter T-Rex 450 I can't adjust my hold mode engine cut on has radiolink ta10ll please it accelerates on its own as soon as I deactivate the Switch

[@edgardojagr216]

Just wanted to say to you. Thank you for all you do to teach as how to setup our Helios. U have helped me so much.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You are very welcome! I’m so glad to hear that! I try my best to tech and spread my knowledge with everyone. My goal is to teach everybody when I can and help everybody in this wonderful happy!

[@TerryMusick]

I agree, another great video! Can't wait for the tuning video you mentioned. Keep up the good work, Jeff.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I’ll be working on the tuning video next sunny day I get and can fly and tune.

[@nickdean468]

Congrats on your 580 I've always wanted an SAB heli. They look so sweet.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I have wanted one for months and months now. I have been slowly gathering everything up for the last couple of months and finally got around to building it. Next is my RAW 700. If you have not got a SAB model yet I highly recommend them! They are expensive but worth every penny!

[@nta1902]

Man, thank you for doing these. I'm building my 580 and your videos have been amazing. Thank you sir!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You’re welcome! Thank you for watching! I’m glad these videos are helpful!

[@pettersollihgda8953]

Thank you for yet another useful video, this time especially useful for me being new to the iKon. And a good set-up cannot be underestimated. Saves me a lot of time! Keep it coming!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You’re welcome I hope it is helpful and you can learn a lot from it. That is always my goal!

[@tlrcamp8009]

Man this video is super detailed this is awesome, I’m going to build my 580 & program it via your videos, thanks in advance

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I hope it’s helpful!

[@TadaYada]

Thank you for all the iKon setup videos!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You’re welcome! Glad they are helpful!

[@andykular3756]

amazing wire management on that heli!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! Try to make hem look as clean as possible!

[@700sizehelisaretoosmall]

Hi West that‘s a beautiful Chopper.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! The RAW 580 Is awesome!

[@700sizehelisaretoosmall]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 it‘s the size of a raptor 50 or a Bit smaller?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@700sizehelisaretoosmall it’s actually slightly bigger.

[@andyMSH700]

thats such great help...i was following it and getting on great until i left the usb cable in the brain and ripped the socket off its pcb board.....oh dear....i only have myself to blame but it is so tempting to try my best and find someone else to blame

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I’m sorry that happened! You can get the remote USB and plug it in the side so you don’t have to worry about trying to fix the USB port.

[@francescolocorriere]

those servo horns they have the hole larger. the screw that threads in the uniball has a smaller diameter. this way the screw passes through the servo arm. the screw threads in the uniball but does not thread in the servo arm. is exact? I put the threadlocker in the uniball, but in the servo arm no because it has a larger diameter than the screw. Is exact for you too?

[@ccbpadmin01infra97]

Thank you very much for this video. Very timely and a big help as I am about to finish my raw580. I have the same motor, esc and servo. Just have a question on the throttle curve on the radio and the governor setup. Both setups would influence the head speed, right? Which setting will be used by ikon2?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You’re welcome! I’m glad the video is helpful. OK, so both throttle curves and governor affect the head speed governor is looking for a predetermined value/percentage. Governor quits for whatever reason do you have your flat line throttle curves to fall back on.

[@tlrcamp8009]

Been waiting for this….😂😂😂😂

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hopefully it’s helpful! Lol

[@Edgecrusher28]

Thanks!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I greatly appreciate the support!

[@MyGetmoney1]

So on my NX8 the check mode does not work im at negative 9 at throttle but when push up on the throttle the check mode error screen comes back on.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Is Throttle hold selected in the Radio under Flight mode setup?

[@tlrcamp8009]

If you have any time can you do a video showing how to do this with the DX series radios?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Unfortunately I don’t have a DX series any more but I do have a NX series radio. Everything is the same for setup other then screens and menu lay out as long as it’s a 8ch and up. I know the 6 and 7ch don’t have a few features.

[@RubenRC94]

Great video once again! How do your ikon vibration logs look. I've had a spike on the tail vibes since the beginning. Took the tail apart but all mechanical setup is fine. It's only above a HS of 2200 so I'm guessing resonance. Don't notice it in flight so I have op chasing it.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I have not had the need to look at the vibration analyst on the tail. But how is your tail belt tension? It sounds like the retention might be a little loose and the belt is causing a frequency vibration over 2000 RPM.

[@RubenRC94]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 it's on the tighter side rather than loose. If it wasn't for the Brain 2 and the logging I would have never known. She flies rock solid.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

As long as there is no issues from the vibration on the actual machine I wouldn’t worry about it. The only time I ever start chasing down a log is if I’m having a problem. But since you are not having any actual issues I would just leave it alone. The vibration analyst is super sensitive and just a small frequency vibration will cause it to go up.

[@RubenRC94]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 yeah I'm guessing that's that's up. If flies like a dream. That goosky RS4 is looking pretty spicey by the way!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@RubenRC94 it doesn’t look too bad. I might get one but I’m super happy with my RAW 420. It would be great to review them both side by side!

[@RC_Thrasher]

Thanks for the video. In the Brain 2 setup under Governor it clearly stats to set your ESC to Ext Gov or Fixed Wing mode. I saw in another video you did on the Hobbywing governor, that you set your governor to Heli ElfGov and to Auto Calc? Can you share more on why you use these settings and also what's the pros and cons to this? Thanks again for having a very informative channel.

[@Christian-zp2nb]

On the top Of the Throttle Out And Telemetry and Governor Setup page There is an OUT MIn 1100 and Out MAX1940 Ajustment Plus and MInus buttons for your Transmitter.How do you adjust these?

[@Edgecrusher28]

I setup with an AR6610T and plugged the remote sat into the SRXL port on the receiver itself versus doing the pin swap/conversion. Is there any benefit or drawback from doing it like this? I noticed that the Ikon software does not recognize the satellite even though its bound to the model.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

So the way you have it done will work but you will not get telemetry that way. Your are still SBUS the AR6610T and it will still work a RX but the AR6610T is not needed, you only need the SRXL2 and then you will get telemetry if running a Hobbywing.

[@trhammonds]

Once you setup GOV mode in the IKON where do you get the info for the throttle curve setup? example 50 50 50 50 60 60 60 60 and so on.

[@Dibilibix27]

Great video!

[@targetoz5470]

G'day mate, really hoping you can help me. I can't seem to achieve 760/ 300 in the servo setup, when I changed the setting to 760/300 my servos went weird off to one side. So I set them back to what they were. Also after I finished the setup I tested the gyro operation all good but when I moved the sticks to check forward back and left right cyclic the move quick to the input but are slow to return to the centre, my blade 180 does the same and it's a pig to fly. My Heli and parts are SAB Goblin 380, Tareq Xenova motor, 100a Hobbywing, MKS HV93 servos and MKS HV9780 tail servo and IKON receiver not IKON2 but he first one and a spectrum satellite. I have not yet flown it as I'm still learning on my OMP EVO M1 and flight sim, and am hoping to get the 380 flying like my M1. Cheers Steve.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hello! So, you got two things fighting you. One iKon 1 does not support 760 for cyclic. Number two, the MKS HV93 does not support 760. They are 1520. So you will have to run them at 1520 for cyclic. That’s normal to slow return to center. That does not mean it will be slow to respond. You can set your style or rotation rates to your liking.

[@codyreilander9048]

Happy Easter Jeff! I have a question about the transmitter input setup page. I have everything registering and acting as expected. Aileron, Elevator and tail stick are all working and adjusted to be at 100% at full throw. The pitch stick, rescue, banks and hold all register and act normal but the throttle stick won’t register or more. Anything you recommend checking? Have you come across this before? Iv rewatched lots of your setup videos and can’t see anything Iv missed. Iv also set up 4 other helicopters and never had this issue it’s really odd.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Happy Easter Cody, thank you for watching! That’s a strange one! Do you have hold on or a throttle cut? On your radio in the monitors screen, is the throttle moving?

[@codyreilander9048]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 unfortunately throttle hold/throttle cut isn’t on. I was hoping it was something simple like that. Earlier I was having an issue where it was only getting heading lock in bank 3 and in the flying style menu setup 3 was stuck illuminated. So I reset the FBL and started over and it resolved the issue but now I’m having this odd issue.

[@luistobon5849]

Hi Jeff, I hope you're doing well. I'm currently facing an issue with an Ikon 2 that I'm trying to set up with a friend. He followed your video, specifically the one on the Raw 580 assembly guide, to purchase all the electronics. Our setup is identical to the one in the video, except we're using a Futaba T14SG Radio. The problem we're encountering is with the governor mode. When we're setting it up, the motor takes an unusually long time to start, approximately 15 seconds. After that, the motor revs up to 2600 RPMs and then drops down to 1900 RPMs, where it remains. It's worth noting that we are currently testing without blades. Any insights or guidance on resolving this issue would be greatly appreciated.

[@Twx97]

I might look for a nimbus 550 and run it on 6s. What do you think

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

They are a great Heli from what I’ve heard! I’ve got a XL520/550 kit in the box I need to build!

[@stevealoia]

So I have a question. I am setting up the Goblin 380 with the Ikon2 . And Futaba 16IZ . How do I setup the flight mods in the ikon . Do I assign a switch with Aux . How do I tell the ikon what switch . Thank you I did watch all your 380 builds you have the best videos on you tube . 🇺🇸

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! Yes, you will assign auxiliary two and three for selectable flight modes and rescue if you want it. Got a 380 video coming out this week on the maiden with 8s! It was moving!

[@stevealoia]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thank you for getting back to me . And I will be out front that video

[@chrisclark3503]

Sorry to bother you man, but quick question. When the software went into that mode where you had to change the value to -9 to allow you to continue with the process, I accomplished the same thing by changing the value of the travel on the throttle within servo setup. I wasn't able to find the throttle hold within the throttle curve menu on my DX9. Also, before I fly the heli, do I need to put the travel for the throttle back to 100 or leave it at 116 where it's currently at? 116 is only for the wizard, but not flying? Thanks again for all your help. I sent you a few bucks via paypal a few days ago. You do great work! Chris Clark

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You are not bothering me! Ask any questions you have! Yes, I go to -9 in throttle hold to get into “check” mode. You have to set throttle hold in the main screen setup on the radio. You need to set throttle hold for proper setup. That allows you have still have proper pitch and tail gain while in hold. You will see a screen that says flight mode, go in there and it will say hold and you click it and set your switch. I got it! Thank you very much!

[@danielsalais808]

Hey bud ! I’m running 120 esc hobbywing and my question is on what mode should I set the esc on stov gob or ext esc ? Because I have it on ext esc and the start is not soft! Help please 🙏

[@briannettles786]

Okay I have everything setup should it be in headlocking mode ? On the tail

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Yes, it should be in head locking mode on the tail.

[@leonautic1979]

you make it sound do easy I am scared to spend 200 on another flybar unit i cannot setup I am truly about to cry over having helis that are perfect but I am too dumb to set up

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@leonautic1979 ikon is very simple. They are $170 not $300. You can use a wide variety of different receivers with them. You can definitely set one up. You can download the MSH Brain software and use demo mode and get an idea on how it looks. It’s step by step.

[@chrisclark3503]

Also, all the specs for the Raw 580 are the same as the Kraken 580? The gear tooth portion of the video? Thanks!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Yes it is, everything is the same other then the body.

[@chrisclark3503]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks man!!

[@katpis9121]

I use spirit fbl and I always had this issue at 20:19 sec in ur vid discussing pitch differentials. When setting up my servo 90* I had to use a fair bit of sub trim in the fbl to get 90* that in turn messed up my pitch travels. Spirit says never to touch ur radio travels which leaves me with this 1-2* differential. Luckily I use torques servos and bought the program box to electrically re centre the servo. I wonder why spirit would not allow their users to make up the difference in the radios pitch travels?

[@bretthenderson7056]

hi just watched the raw 580 setup vid any chance you could share you backup file i using same electronics thank gr8 vid cant wait till you do a tuning vid on this heli

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you for watching! Yes I can, send me a email. [e-mail]. I’m working on the tuning video now.

[@chrisclark3503]

Quick question man. When you use the auto level and rescue function, will it always flip over to upright and then give it positive collective? Or if you are inverted, will it self level to the the inverted position and then give it negative collective? Thank you sir!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hello! So it will always upright the heli and then add positive pitch and climb out. It work’s actually very well! I set it up on EVERY heli and never really need it but it’s always there.

[@chrisclark3503]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks man…I always appreciate your quick response and help. You make this hobby more enjoyable. Keep kickin’ ass amigo! Have a great one!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@chrisclark3503 Thank you! I greatly appreciate that! I try my best!

[@jordandean3914]

Can you do a raw 500 setup video first build for myself and setting have me lost lol

[@ayngo1975gmail]

Hey do u have a video on how to set up 12S i just purchased my first 700 an I’m a little worried about set up I’ve been flying a logo 480 for about 5 years an 😆 an have never needed to go over one 6s 4000 pack

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hello! Do you mean on wiring the battery in series? I go over it in the last part of the crack in 700 bill video. You are going to wire and series so you equal 12S.

[@ayngo1975gmail]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 yes thank u

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@ayngo1975gmail you’re welcome! Hopefully it helps!

[@dave763cyrus]

On the transmitter page did you set pitch to 100%?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

No, you do not need to set the pitch to 100% on the transmitter page.

[@RC_Aviator]

Is the gyro setup in the radio always going to be control of the tail gyro? Or do other fbl systems have it control something else

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

It will always control the tail gyro. Some to just have it done in the FBL unit and out the radio.

[@0rhankumas580]

When u setting up the blade o pitch u put throttle stick the middle do u have to put throttle idle mode or no

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

No because your mid stock should always be 50 in your throttle curve. So as long as you’re mid stick is 50 on all your curves then it won’t matter what mode you are in.

[@0rhankumas580]

Thank u sir

[@xjfella95]

is there forward programming from an ix12 to the ikon 2?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Yes there is, there is forward programming with any NX/IX radio when using a SRXL2.

[@1172funk]

How did you connect the srxl 4 wire out to the ikon 3 wire system. And is it connected to channel3? Or to the sat ports or to the system i/o port

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You remove the grey wire from the SRXL2 as it is not used or needed. The crimp a servo plug to the end and plug into CH3 of the iKon.

[@chrisballard007]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 If I am using an 8020T rx to Ch 3, should I connect my 4651T rx to the 8020T, as a remote?

[@waymaker_rc_club]

Question sir on the s2 and rs4 is there a way to get the head to spoil up slower?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

So unfortunately not, spool up is done in the ESC. What is your throttle curves?

[@waymaker_rc_club]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 normal 60 1 65 2 80. I’m a new pilot can do very mild slow 3d. Thanks for your great videos I built my rs4 from your videos

[@antoniopacifico1326]

Awesome video! Do you run gov. Store or Elf Gov?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I run Governor Store in the ESC.

[@sawyerheslep8493]

What is a good fbl unit for those whom don't have a PC/computer?

[@kunad2294]

ok, great job, when you're setting up the pitch do you put your radio transmitter in idle up mode or it stayed in normal mode.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! So always in hold mode. As that’s the “check” mode in the software. It also depends on your pitch curves. So for example I run a lot less pitch in normal mode (so there is not a lot of negative pushing the heli down on spool up) but a Pitch curve in hold and Idle one and two.

[@kunad2294]

Thanks, again for your swift response 👍.

[@kunad2294]

i like your step by step explanation no time lapse.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@kunad2294 you’re welcome! I try to make these videos as helpful and useful as possible.

[@kunad2294]

@@westhobbiesrc8051very great instructor, now i will purchase my goosky rs4 because of you .

[@francescolocorriere]

But you move limit servo for -13 you move limit 100 and -100 in the first pannel. In rescue this servo will have more excursion.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Even if you achieved negative and +100 in the first panel you will still have to go into a negative or positive value in the sub travel menu in the transmitter to get it equal throw of the pitch range.

[@francescolocorriere]

But if you move limit servo for have -13 degrees not have -100. You go in advance move e move positive run and negative run, in this mode you have +13 and -13 perfect and don't move limit servo

[@mariusrosseland6995]

Its 39% gain on tail on goblin 500 why to much?☺️

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Why do much? 39% is not a lot in normal mode or low head speed.

[@robertmason2526]

Where did you get the crimper from

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Amazon, in my wiring video I have links for everything I use.

[@robertmason2526]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks

[@Twx97]

Not first😮

[@toadiscoil]

First

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Notifications on!

[@francescolocorriere]

you're wrong to move limits servant to have -13. put the servo limits back as before and after to have -13 go in advanced mode and move servo negative travel. in the screen where the frequencies are etc. I spoke to the creators of the flybarless and YOU MUST NOT limit servo why in diagnostic in this mode you don't have -100 in the software but if you follow my method there are no problems. just move one servo travel there is positive and negative run or move negative travel or move positive travel. in your case negative run servo Ok?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I disagree, been doing it this way for HUNDREDS of helis. In a perfect setup world you can get it equal but unfortunately that’s not always the case with every heli so you must adjust by your servo travel.

[@francescolocorriere]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 if you not use the automatic functions you have no problems. But if you use function automatic during the negative run of the pitch exceed the limit of 100%

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@francescolocorriere no, you don’t have any problems this way. You will NOT get equal positive and negative if you use the software and not adjust your travel. I’ve set hundreds of iKons. Hundreds! Never ever a problem.