How To Setup Your SAB RAW 420 With A iKon FBL

in this video we go over how to set your RAW 420 with MSH iKon FBL. we are using a spektrum Radio but the iKon programming will be the same with other radios.
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[@Tomced143]

Fantastic video! I build my RAW 420 in the last days. Your buildingguide and tips are awsome. Thank you!!! Best to you and your family!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! I’m glad this video helped you. Thank you for the support! I greatly appreciate it. I wish you the best of luck on your maiden! It’s a fantastic heli. Best to you and your family as well!

[@happymcslappy3640]

Videos like this are instrumental to success for newbies. Absolute legend

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

thank you! I greatly appreciate it!

[@larrychamel]

Another Incredible IKON2 FBL Video Jeff! Thank you for sharing this information, and Thank you very much for your assistance with my IKON2 FBL in the past! Best to you and your Family!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you Larry! I hope it helped on your model. Thank you for watching! I hope all is well with you and your family as well.

[@neuzeum9496]

Fantastic! I just ordered a RAW 420 and same electronics 😃 Thank You!

[@1981billiam]

Heard you on “skids up” podcast.👍Thanks for all the content!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

That’s awesome! Hopefully it was worth listening to lol thank you for watching!

[@mikefuchs2814]

excellent video, so helpful, thank you and well done!

[@konst1550]

Great!

[@deersbrook4485]

Wow, I'd have no hope setting all that up! I'll have to stick with ready to fly models for now 😄

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

It’s very simple! iKon is the easiest and best FBL to setup! Very self explanatory and step by step in the software.

[@Lance57H]

Hey Jeff, thanks again for all the work you put in for people like me that are new to the hobby. It's incredibly appreciated. I followed your setup to a T and I'm almost there. I'm just kind of having a funny issue where I haven't actually flown it yet, however when I was bench testing it without blades it seems like idle up 2 is at a lower RPM than normal mode. I set the governor to how you run it on your personal 420. However Idle up 3 sounds like it's higher than normal mode which is to be expected. I have the newer hobbywing program box, are there any settings in there that I should change in regards to the governor on the Hobbywing? Again thank you to all your help I seriously doubt I could of gotten this far without your recommendations and tutorials.

[@thomasheinzl2953]

Yeah all is right und it helpt me much with my issue. In Combo with Yge95 and int Gov of Brain2. I had a static issue with the monoboom...

[@markuslang6695]

Dear WestHobbiesRC, thank you very much for this amazing FBL setup video. I've already watched your three videos on how to build the SAB Goblin Raw 420 and I'm very impressed. I got my RAW 420 yesterday. I'm not sure which FBL to buy yet and I'm hesitating between the MSH Brain 2 and the Bavarian Demon Axon. I saw at the beginning of this video that you also have a link on your desktop to the Bavarian Demon. Do you also have a video on the setup of the Bavarian Demon Axon? I've heard that the MSH Brain 2 has some problems with vibrations and the rescue doesn't work correctly. Have you had such experiences? What would be your recommendation? Thank you very much and best regards from Munich.

[@DetoursRC]

Merry Christmas. Ive got a question about the platinum v4 80a. Are you not supposed to set up a normal mode in elf gov. like you usually would. 0-50-50-50-50? Ive just got mine in linear heli mode with flat curve right now because I wasnt sure. Thanks.

[@thechevysilveradotec]

Hey Jeff question . Do you run a governor on the esc or ikon ? The bec is set to what you escs can run ?

[@Good1vibes]

Nice tutorial. Just built my 420 with an iKon and a Futaba TX. When tilting my heli from back to front and left/right, aileron and elevator work fine but my tail servo doesn’t move when I move the tail left or right. The headlock is green but stays in one place unless I move the tail stick to left or right. Any suggestions?

[@andrewarnold7006]

Great video! I’m having an issue. My tail servo is super slow, and when I let off the stick it doesn’t go back to center. Any idea how to fix? I tried a second new servo and same thing. Thanks!

[@SgtBFGunner]

Did you have to shut off the governor in the Hobbywing ESC? Putting it in heli linear setting or something?

[@ace-gc5xm]

question, Is the slot/ line on the blade grips and head a true zero pitch at mid stick when seting up?

[@chrisballard007]

Thank you for all the great videos! After building so many 420's, where do you like to mount the 4651T rx the best? And do you use the supplied antenna mount? Also If using the IKON2, is it necessary to use a USB Remote plugged into the SYS/IO port? I figure the USB port might be hard to plug into if the IKON is mounted wires back. I've got my kit and components on the way, spec'd just like this one. Thanks.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you for watching! I’m glad the videos are helping! I mount the SRXL2 under the Back/elevator servo. I use the supplied antenna mount. Yes, if you mount the iKon the same was I do it is necessary to use the remote USB as getting to the USB port is almost impossible.

[@johnscarlata9826]

Jeff this video was super helpful. I’m wondering if there’s settings that need to be edited/changed in the esc’s. Mine has a platinum pro 120…maybe another video?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! So only thing I changed in the ESC is the BEC voltage. I left everything else the same. But I’m working on a telemetry video and I will go over the ESC setting in that video.

[@arcturus8218]

hi i fly all my helis with microbeast i want to try another giro is this the one u would recommend or another .i fly mild 3d ive seen the spektrum one and mikado but dont know much about any of them .cheers😀

[@Edgecrusher28]

Have you setup an Align550x/600 with the Ikon? The reason I ask is because I removed the BeastX from my 550X and installed my first Ikon and I am running into issues with setup. Using the stock Align metal servo arms (21mm ball link hole). I was getting way too much pitch and collective even with the values adjusted down in the Wizard menu. I emailed Ikon support and ended up talking with HD but the only solution was to move the ball link in closer to center which I ended up doing. The only other ball link hole was 18mm from center and that helped with collective but my cyclic at its lowest setting is still 12.5. There is not additional room to move the ball link closer to the center given that align has their ball links on the inside of the arm so it would come in contact with the servo casing; WTH..? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

[@mikealasmar3818]

Hey Jeff i have a question I hope you can answer. When I zero-level my main blade at the tail, i get it at zerp, but then if i move that blade to the front (over the driver/passenger area) i get about 3 or 4 degrees off....is that normal? or does that mean something is not set up right?

[@jaimegarcia4746]

Can you do this setup with a Spektrum FC6250HX?

[@brianterry6149]

Love the videos I haven’t flown in 10 years wanting to get back into it everything has changed electronically doe the fbl have the receiver in it it looks like a spectrum under ikon help with knowledge pls

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you! Yes a lot has changed. Technology keeps changing every day! Which FBL unit do you have? A 7200beastX? Or a iKon?

[@Chief351L]

Man, perfect Timing! I’ve been looking at the RAW420 for a while especially because the replacement part-cost and like the setup. I hadn’t seen many use IKON2 and that’s the one I was also thinking of going with to use with my new iX14! Which Hobbywing ESC did you go with since I must have missed it somewhere?! Freaking Outstanding Setup Video that really gets to the point, but is very comprehensive! You talk faster than my fingers can move so I’ll have to watch it many times with CC and maybe on slower speed! LoL I know you have to cram a lot into a specific amount of time with YT…

[@gregnoble7755]

He said hobbywing 60 @30 seconds in

[@Chief351L]

@@gregnoble7755 LoL! I totally missed that, but am glad to see it wasn’t one of the others I’ve seen mounted that seem to be major OverKill and almost 2x the price. Thanks!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I hope it is helpful! It has taken me a little bit to come out with it just because of some family things and life lol but I’m glad people still need it! So yes this one has a Hobbywing 60. I would highly recommend the Hobbywing 80! If you watch my build series that’s what’s in my personal 420. Ifly mediocre 3-D compared to others and I still see amperage of over 90‘s on some flights. If you fly hard 3D I would recommend going with a Hobbywing 120 but the Hobbywing 80 is perfect. Never had a issue with mine and the Hobbywing 80. Also you can’t get Ambridge and mAh consumption with the hobbywing 60 like the Hobbywing 80. I will be using my new IX14 very soon!! It just showed up! Just waiting on a screen protector! It is very hard to do a set up video and keep it under a hour long lol so I try to talk as fast as I can to get to the point. It’s definitely hard to make videos I would like and get the watch time for KZbin to recommend the videos. You can slow it down or watch as many times as you need!

[@gregnoble7755]

@@Chief351L :D

[@davids8345]

Hey Jeff, What settings did you use on the ESC? Did you leave it on its defaults, or did you change the flight mode to fixed wing or maybe linear helicopter?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hey David, only thing I change in the ESC is BEC voltage. I leave throttle in stogov I’ve played with all throttle and it’s really up to you on how you want it.

[@user-cj8jl5bh3x]

Hello, excellent videos, can you tell me the correct timing of the raw 420 engine?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

thank you! timing is 15 degrees and 42 pole.

[@NorCalDudeBJJ]

Nice setup video. Are you sure you can't set autolevel into normal mode? That's what I've been using on my SAB Buddy 380 with the Ikon2. It seems to work without issues. Are you saying it's going to mess up one day?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You cannot check the auto level box in set up one. Now if you reverse your switch and you set up three as your “normal” mode yes you could but I highly recommend against it. The FBL initializes with auto level on and can cause severe drifting depending on the model and the skid set up. It needs to see a level surface when selecting auto level. MSH strongly recommends against powering up the model and initializing with auto level on.

[@NorCalDudeBJJ]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Interesting. I don't know how I did it, but I was able to check the auto level box in set up one. It seemed to be fine flying with it for the past 6 months on my SAB 380. But in setting up my 420, I see that I can't check it in set up one. Weird. I'll set it up per your video... thanks.

[@NorCalDudeBJJ]

Hi Jeff, are you certain the Pulse for rotation, main gear, and tail gear ratios are correct? I'm using a HW 60A and set the end points per instruction manual (full throttle then turn on, get two beeps, then zero throttle for ESC setup). When I spool up the heli to 100%, it quickly accelerates past 4500rmp before I quickly hit throttle cut - it was like it was revving up way too high!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hello, yes I’m sure. I’ve built and setup 7 RAW 420s all the same way. What’s your throttle curves? Would like it’s going from 0-100. Is it linear? Or flat line?

[@NorCalDudeBJJ]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Something's not working right. There seems to be no ESC governor. Normal mode when I set up the ESC endpoints is a linear curve 0 25 50 75 100%. Idle up 1 is 70% flat, idle up 2 is 80% flat. Even when I check box the iKon2 governor, when I go to idle up, it spools way past the rpm I set in iKon2 (2800) then slows down to the governed speed. Something seems off.

[@ernestogarcia3986]

Great JOB! Very nice video and helpful. I just ordered one to build. Can you recommend another FBL less complicated I am using spectrum IX12. I don’t fly 3D

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you, you will not find a easier to setup FBL then iKon. They are hands down the easiest FBL to setup.

[@ernestogarcia3986]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 ok. Thank you very much! Also thanks for taking the time to respond to me

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@ernestogarcia3986 anytime! Always here to help.

[@ernestogarcia3986]

I ended up ordering Spektrum FC6250 and Avian 60 amp esc I don’t fly 3D. I have IX12 transmitter. Any thoughts?

[@kyleltg]

Is this the iKON2001 FBL?

[@tlrcamp8009]

Do you have a video for the 580 raw FBL ikon2 setup?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I am working on that video as we speak! It will be out shortly

[@Anthraxnz64]

Hi, what type of receiver are you using? Spektrum SPM4651T ?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Yes sir, just the single SRXL2 4651T

[@davids8345]

Hey Jeff! what is your recommendation on XT60 vs the propriety connector? If I never plan to use these lipo's on another heli, is there any reason NOT to go the propriety connector?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hey David, so both connectors are great. I like XT-60 just because I already have charge leads made up. If you plan on never using these lipos on other helis then go with the SAB connector. The only thing I don’t like if I can’t have the battery in the model with out it being powered up with the proprietary connectors. Main reason I went with XT-60.

[@davids8345]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thankyou sir! I am still umming and ahhing about it :)

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@davids8345 you’re welcome! Get it finished up! Lol

[@waynemorgan756]

Hi any reason you never set up your tail gain many thanks

[@Wasp46]

Thx for your vids. Outstanding stuff 😉 but one question. How Do you setup the hobbywing. You dont use the governor there right?

[@gerrykeaveney1657]

Hey Jeff..you might be the man to solve this ...done the setup by the book and followed every step. everything is correct but my issue is at that the gyro is not moving the swash when i lift and move the model. have done the setup many times, new model in radio etc, still no joy. Ticket raised with MSH. its like the rain 2 has the gyro function disabled. i cant check directions.. logs show all is fine with greens and blue dots. on power up i get 4 bumps of cyclic and solid green led. one flash led for setup 1 mode. any ideas sir? TIA

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hello! Hmmm! That’s a strange one. Never ran into before! So no gyro movement? Does the tail move with gyro direction?

[@gerrykeaveney1657]

no. the unit has been returned to MSH. @@westhobbiesrc8051

[@javierarroyo7095]

thought the HW 60 didn't have the "P" port to Ikon 5 for telemetry feature?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Yes it has the P port. You get telemetry not full telemetry like on the 80 and up but you get RPM temperature and that kind of stuff. I don’t believe you get Ambridge and MAH consumption.

[@waymaker_rc_club]

How in the world do you find a charging lead for their propriety charging leads on battery tray?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Two ways, a XT60 in line or make charge adapter. If you have access to a 3-D printer you could print an adapter to use a 3.5 mm bullet or buy another set of plugs from SAB and make an adapter.

[@thechevysilveradotec]

Jeff do you know if your thottle in the FBL if you are trying to set esc calibration if it doesn’t show 0-100 . It won’t let you do it ?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

So you need to be linear in your transmitter meeting a 0 to 100 travel in the transmitter itself and then it will/should show a 0 to 100 throttle in the FBL it’s not as critical in the FBL as it is in the radio to calibrate throttle. Because that is where it’s seeing it signal.

[@thechevysilveradotec]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 so basically a 0 25 50 75 100 and should work with a ikon and hobbywing

[@carlhaentjens3548]

Question, i've spektrum nx10. When i'm connected to the ikon software pitch and throttle are mixed (only in the software, not on tx).?? So when i'm in hold mode and move the throttle stick pitch is not moving?

[@carlhaentjens3548]

Problem solved!!!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Pitch and throttle are always mixed. As you advance throttle you move pitch as well. What fixed the issue?

[@carlhaentjens3548]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Pitch in spektrum is channel 6, throttle channel 1. In the ikon software was pitch channel 1 and throttle 6.

[@steunsoul]

I recently Build a Raw 420, with Brain2, KST servos and hobbywing platinum 80 ESC. Watched all your RAW420 build videos. Building was a breeze, flew it, all is fine. One thing I can't figure out, the settings for motor timing and frequency. Has anyone got a idea? Motor runs well on default of the ESC timing 15 (or16) freq 8.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Awesome! I’m glad the videos were helpful and you were able to build no issue. You can leave motor timing at 15 and frequency at eight. There is no reason or need to change them

[@steunsoul]

Thanks! 👍

[@Vidoke69]

Anything on the performances of theses ikon and démon compared to the old microbeast and microbeast plus ?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Night and day difference! There is so much you can do with the iKon it’s incredible faster processor rate helicopter fly so much better you can fine-tune every setting roll rate expose curves rotation rates it is crazy. I’m working on a full in-depth tuning video and you can see all the different things that you have.

[@Vidoke69]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 And for you, would you get an ikon or a vbar ? I heard some very good things about them, even more when i was really in the hobby with the direct fight between the microbeast

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@Vidoke69 I’ve got both, that really depends on what you’re looking for. Vbar is expensive compared to iKon but both systems work great. I just put out a video on the Vcontroller.

[@Vidoke69]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Yeah i saw it, seems great, the transmitter seems to be awesome with a very good tactile screen ! need to do some research for the vbar and ikon, thanks for your answer anyways ! Appreciate it.

[@David-qc1dk]

We got my ikon that changed the numbers fixed lol

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

That was very weird! Never seen that before. But always a first for everything! Lol

[@nunyabusiness8538]

if i want to change my throttle curve in my radio to change the head speed do i have to change the values in the ikon? or can i leave the values i set (2200 2400 2600) and still play around with the throttle curve or will that mess up the esc or motor?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Are you running the governor? If so you will need to change the head speed RPM not the throttle curve. If you are running straight throttle curve with no governor then you would lower your throttle curve to lower your head speed.

[@nunyabusiness8538]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 yes i think i’ve ran the yellow wire from the esc into to the gov port. so if i unplug that i can just run it as a regular heli? with radio curves?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@nunyabusiness8538 just go into your governor page and lower your head speeds to the desired RPM you want.

[@nunyabusiness8538]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 okay no problem that’s probably the better solution. thank you!

[@nunyabusiness8538]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 ahh okay i realize now i didn’t click on those little boxes that said “use governor” on the flight menus 🤦‍♂️

[@andrewarnold7006]

On the tail do you keep the heading hold box checked?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

No, that’s done in the radio with under gyro. Positive value is heading hold and negative value is rate mode

[@andrewarnold7006]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thank you! I have the exact setup, same servos, esc, etc.. what values do you run in the radio?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@andrewarnold7006 you’re welcome! So my numbers will be different from yours as no to helicopters are the same. But I was running 38-34-30

[@andrewarnold7006]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 very true, but will give me a starting point. Thanks again sir!

[@MWXYT]

30:54 do you mean tail pulley?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Yes, tail pulley.

[@jasonmbiggs]

That bird looks familiar

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

That’s because it is! Lol

[@toadiscoil]

first!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Heck yeah! Notifications on!