How To Setup Vbar Governor With A Hobbywing ESC!

In this video we go over setting up the Vbar governor with a Hobbywing ESC, in my testing the Vbar Governor works great and all I ever use.
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[@SgtBFGunner]

How about a "How To Setup Brain 2 Governor With A Hobbywing ESC!" 🤔 Awesome informational videos, thank you!

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

That’s a great idea! I can definitely do that! Thank you for watching!

[@Danny-ge6bp]

Hey Jeff would love to see a video comparing some of the 700 size motors. Looking for one to put in my new Black Thunder that i am building and I only have experience with the Scorpion HKii 4525 lightning and was wondering how much of an improvement the Xnova XTareq motor would be

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Hello! So that’s something I definitely want to do! I’ve got a few different 700 motors but I want to get a Egodrift and scorpion 4530 so I can test all of them in my 700 with the same setup. See what motor makes more power and runs the most efficient. I’m personally a big fan of Xnova. That’s my go to motor.

[@Danny-ge6bp]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 awesome! I‘ve only heard good things about Xnova so it’s definitely at the top of my list. Keep up the great videos, love the work you put in!

[@stevealoia]

I spent $750 on my futaba 16IZ . Very nice radio . But I should of waited and got the VBar . But the VBar was $600 more . Lol

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

The Futaba 16IZ is a very nice radio! But nothing on the market compares to the integration and is of V bar. I’m really curious to see this new spirit wave radio that’s supposed to be like Vbar.

[@stevealoia]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 the guys at my flying field have the VBar. One guy forgot this radio. And used another VBar to fly his helicopter. Took him a few minutes to set up . That’s cool .

[@stevealoia]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 I think when I get into the 600 and 700 helicopters I may go with VBar . Thanks for great videos

[@drummerdeacan]

• The only ESC I've ever used is Castle. So, forgive the silly question. If i go with a Hobbywing on my next setup, would I have to purchase the program box? Or, is software available to use with my computer. On another note. Ive never use a BEC. Always used a 2S for powering servos. Ive felt it was an extra margin of safety. Im not a "smacker" ... Big air & graceful 3d is my style. The extra weight of the 2S battery don't effect me. Thanks, Jeff.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

You definitely want to buy the Hobbywing program box. The software is free and available for your computer (like castle) but you need the box to plug into the ESC and then computer or just use the box to set the ESC. Hobbywing has a great BEC, 30 amp and never had one fail me. Now! I have had one bad ESC in about 150 of them. But I’ve had a castle catch fire so there is always that one bad one. But Hobbywing is very reliable. It’s all I buy now for my helis. Give one a try and see how you like it.

[@veryluverylu8298]

can you pls make a video, how to set up the oldschool RCE 6600 Nitro governor from align?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I can definitely do that! I believe I still have a RCE 6600! I’ve got an old school Raptor 50 and Fly bar nitro 600 I can put that governor in.

[@nfavor]

Jeff, Why have a ratio of 1.1 for direct drive vs 1?

[@RotoRCol]

two questions, first I am confuse about motor iddle, I watched you flipping a left side switch to go to motor iddle and then you went out of motor iddle flipping a switch at your right , would be nice to see a video of setting the bail out. Second question raw or rs7? lol

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Left switch is banks, 1-2-3. Right switch is motor off, Motor Idle, motor on. Ball out is set right from the start when you set the governor up. You can adjust up and down how many RPM you want for idle but I can go over that!

[@RotoRCol]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks Jeff

[@Edgecrusher28]

Still having issues so looking for any general advice here. Initial story was I got the maiden done on the RAW 700 but had such low head speed even at 95% curve I figured the factory motor pinion needed replacing since I’m running a 490Kv motor on 12S. Anywhos, I replaced the motor drive gear with a new 25 tooth gear, re-calibrated the ESC standard, re-set the throttle low and high end points in the Ikon Wizard and then finalized it with a throttle calibration but even at 100% throttle curve I was only getting 1800 RPM on the head speed (verified with a digital tach). The ESC program box shows 108x1000 so I’m thinking I should be able to achieve 2500RPM with a full 100% throttle. 108000 / 5 (1/2 motor poles) / 8.48 (gear ratio) =2547 max RPM but I’m only getting 1800. What am I missing, really need some pro help here. Align 490kv motor on 12S 25 tooth motor gear Ikon 2 HW 130A HV in Governor Store mode

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Thank you very much for that! Okay, so the Align motor is definitely a low KV but! With a 25T pulley you should definitely get 2500ish RPM maxed out. Have you tired turning the iKon governor off and just run flat throttle curves to see if the motor is coming up to full RPM? What is the Hobbywing set to? Meaning what mode? Full 4.20vper cell pack?

[@Edgecrusher28]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Currently the Ikon governor is completely turned off on all three flights modes (I just doubled checked again a few mn ago) and I am using the ESC governor using StoGOV with a calibration value of 108x1000. My last test flight was a flat 100% throttle curve and it only yielded around 1800 RPM which was the same results for all three battery packs that I used (Checked each battery with a cell checker before each flight, they are fully charged).I have done several TX/ESC throttle calibrations, I can confirm in the Ikon wizard that I am getting 0/100 throttle output by adjusting my endpoints/travel. I also adjusted the low and high throttle points as outlined in the wizard on page 12. What is really strange is that on that very same page, it shows the rotor RPM at the correct values that I am setting based on the ESC calibration value of 1,600/1950/2100 but that is not what i am getting at the actual blades, cant even hover this thing at 50% throttle.

[@gearjammer350]

When using the vbar gov is the rpm suppose fluctuate to what is actually set in the controller like if it is set to 1600 is it supposed to hold a 1600 rpm or flex up and down when you move collective

[@gearjammer350]

When I set it up with the hobbywing as using the esc it holds to what I set in the transmitter but when I use the vbar it does not hold to what I set it at is that correct

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

@@gearjammer350 yes, the RPM will fluctuate up and down. It’s a V style curve with blades on. It’s not as noticeable at all so as you demand more, it will stay around that 1600 mark for example you can fine-tune the governor gains to get a more consistent or less consistent depending on what you like.

[@heli_sport]

Is there an advantage of using the vbar govenor over the hobbywing?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Personally, I don’t think so. The only thing that makes me Run the Vbar governor is I found it is a more consistent head speed, but I could just be thinking that and not actual proof of that.

[@roberthardy7868]

Hello Jeff, I have the VBCe with the HW 150a V5 set on HW Intergrated Vbar like you did. However, when I go into my ESC setting it is all greyed out. I cannot set my BEC voltage to 8v instead it is defaulted to 6.04v. When I click on the question mark under ESC, it states it must be set up in the transmitter settings which I did. I have to use switch 5 for my motor control because Switch1 & 6 have a spring back reset function on the Vbar Contro transmitter unlike the Vbar touch switch 6 stays in place when you pull it back to turn off your motor.. Also when I turn my motor switch 5 to idle nothing happens but when I turn it to motor on everything works fine and all my rpm setting in Bank 1,2, & 3 read the way I programed them.. The HW 150a V5 ESC was programed right out of the box to work with the Vabr. I do not understand why I cannot set my BEC voltage and the motor not turning 300 rpms in idle position? I have the Pro Evo Apps as well as the Pro Value Apps and the Pro Rescue Apps. Do you have any idea why my ESC settings are greyed not allowing me to change my BEC voltage and why my idle mode does not work? Thank you for all you great videos and help. You are a great contributor to the heli community. 👍

[@roberthardy7868]

Update: I had to go into my ESC using the program box to change my voltage to 8v and now it read 8.19v on my main menu screen on my transmiter. I then setup my AR in my switch menu using the safety switch and programing it to switch #6. In order to get a fast spool I had to use the program box and set it to one second after hitting the AR switch and the turning it back on. However, I have lost my slow startup in order to have fast spool up in case of an emergency. My ESC menu is still greyed out. The ESC instruction say it is only programable in elf or store mode. Maybe this is why my ESC is greyed out on my main screen. This may be unique to the HW 105a V5 esc? I still cannot get idle mode to work.

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

So here is what I would do. I would go in and re-upload the firmware on the Hobbywing just to make sure it didn’t get a bug in it. I know it comes pre-programmed out of the box, but just in case deserve. Next thing I would do make sure that you have a Vbar governor selected in the hobby wing under the telemetry settings. I have a video on that labeled Vbar telemetry if you haven’t seen it already. Make sure in Gouverneur mode you are using the bar in a graded governor and try again. If you still have problems, I will plug into my 150 and see if I had to do anything special I don’t believe I did, but I want to make sure I can help however or whatever possible way

[@roberthardy7868]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Hello again Jeff, I did as you suggested. I download the V5 software twice: however, in the firmware selection I could only choose fixed wine, Vbar elf mode, andV bar gov store mode only. There was no Vabr Gov choice so I used the Vbar elf mode and configured my esc to all the settings. After doing this I then connected my telemetry cable to tele #2 port as it would not work in tele #1 port. Everything works fine except I cannot get motor idle to work. So I went into the menu to governor mode and went to the AR settings and the lowest idle speed I could get was 1050rpms at 43%. I could not set the AR speed below 43% or it work no longer work in idle mode. If I could drop the AR down to maybe 20% that would be great. My ESC settings are still greyed out. This is frustrating. I have watched all your Vbar videos and have set my radio to your videos settings and everything works fine if only my Vbar Esc setting were not greyed out. The default setting on mY AR was 17% but it doesn't work until testing is set to 43% or higher which is too high for idle. I am at a loss in understanding why this is happening.

[@charlienovotny]

Wrong firmware

[@roberthardy7868]

@@charlienovotny Had to reflash my firmware and everything finally worked as it should.

[@16-BITFPV]

Where did you get the neon yellow switch caps?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

From mikado USA. I ordered the yellow kit and it came with them.

[@16-BITFPV]

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Looks really good.

[@KD_86]

Why do you set the translation to 1.1 and not 1.0 with direct drive?

[@JJ20371]

Did you change the motor on switch?normaly is this switch a spring switch

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Yes I did, I took it apart and modified the flat metal plate to eliminate the spring tension to have a full three position on off switch.

[@rickc9111]

Shouldn’t the ratio for direct drive simply be 1 instead of 1.1?

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

Great question, I was always told it’s 1.1 and that’s how I have always done it.

[@eagleonefoxtwo2487]

Why using vbar gov when Hobbywing got also a good gov

[@westhobbiesrc8051]

I just prefer the V bar, integrated governor over to hobbywing. Both work great.