HOW TO SHINGLE A CLOSED VALLEY (DORMER ROOF)

[@shawnmills54]

Thanks man!! Very helpful information. I actually watched your video while roofing a valley just as a reference. Im a jack of all trades kinda guy so not a full time roofer. And your videos really help! So Thanks again and keep rocken!

[@ddubshow]

can this same technique be used for 3-tab?

[@scottcollen4675]

Absolutely not

[@howardmurphy2841]

That metal in the valley is driving me nuts

[@SeamoreButts-i1t]

Need starter under the valley going up the dormer gable!!! And what about ur over hang bro ??? Idk how yall get to roof like that. But if u didnt do a 1" over hang on my roof, you'd be going back to fix it before getting paid!! Plus that starter under the valley up the dormer gable !!! Important .... omg this is huge EDIT!! In closed valley, need that ice and water peel n' stick. But no valley metal! Valley metal will expand and contract under the heat and cold of weather elements. Loosening over time. Creating problems and leaks. Ur close valley looks great aside from the metal underneath, plus the starter going up the gable !!

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Why are you watching "HOW TO" videos other than to say it was done wrong if you know everything...Gable starter is a scam and does absolutely nothing. the D edge has an overhang already and I have never had a leak or blow off in thousands of roofs. I am not resposible for underlayment on this exact roof but you are right about ice and water in the valley. as far as valley metal you are completely wrong and shingles will actually expand and contract better with the valley metal because they are not stuck to the valley on underside, they will be absolutely welded to the ice and water in most cases.(side note ice and water can easily rip, tear, or if you step in the wrong place can rip a hole) Go make your own videos bro. I am a licensed contractor for over 15 years and gonna keep doing my thing. I have dozens of other How to videos for you to correct in the meantime

[@Maynardd]

That is correct, the only reason for starter on any gable end is for a clean look from the ground if you have a half inch, 1 inch overhang.

[@redsresearch]

​@@Maynarddhe makes it flush

[@DavidBrownll-z5h]

Thank you for posting your how to content. I'm pretty hands on in home improvement but had no idea how to do a valley roofing project. Very appreciative you make the videos you do to help the regular guy.

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Glad to help

[@stephenkarlsen2954]

I am torn about metal or no metal in the valley. One of your videos you don't use metal. In Michigan. I have a 7/12 dormer on a 5/12 roof with ice shield running the whole length of the valleys. I really value your videos.

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Metal in the valley will not hurt. It is just an extra in most cases

[@tofando]

Thank you. this video is for people like me. for my friends roof they gave him 35k estimate in California . he has single layer and is allowed up to 3 layers. no dumpster needed, changed the facial boards flashing . AND MATERIALS !? from lows got discount for 27 Squares. total materials dropped in front of garage not on the roof $4100! cost me 400 to put it on the roof. thank you Sir for tutoring me with your video's. Here in California. they google your address on satellite and price it base on the neighborhood. it can get triple from on area to next. thank you again and hell with hatters. and yes pulled permit as owner builder . thank you again.

[@margohernandez5712]

Bad ass bro. I sometimes need a refresher course on valleys and that california valley is pretty easy and it looks really good.

[@austinvenette3302]

Nice work only thing I don't recommend is running shingles flush to drip edge on rake other than that nice job

[@adamquinn9659]

Where do you go? Half over?

[@Lonestarexteriors]

​@@adamquinn9659 I always run a starter up the gable and overhang it about 3/8 of an inch.

[@Yoyosforever]

How about some overhang off that drip edge?

[@douglascunningham148]

What usually do is pull up that valley metal at bottom of the valley. Then I use a cats paw and remove the nails from the plywood in the valley that way you don't have to cut that shingle like that

[@shawncummings4653]

Why are all the roofing vids saying closed valley? Of course all valleys done with a weave, cut, or point out are a closed valley. The only open valley is by using W metal.

[@garthanderson3715]

🎉

[@spencerpabona5446]

You should’ve shingles it first then install the valley.

[@shawncummings4653]

Why do things the easy way, when you can fight it. 😂😂

[@mitchyflixx222]

You still use tar paper we use sythetic felt paper n ice water for eavs n valleys out here in canada

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

We always use synthetic felt as well. The framers on this new build put the paper on. first time I have been on#15 felt in years

[@ericnagy8056]

1minute into your instuctional video and im wondering why you didnt cut the plywood back( easily cut with oscillating saw)instead of notching shingle? Also i would have waited until i installed roof on shelf before rake edging was installed. Less of an obstacle to install shingle under valley.I have 45years worth of balls doing roofing. O years of videos. Makes it easier for ya

[@katkilr7685]

The only thing I would have done different. I would have pulled a little higher onto the big side. And i always run a deadman 2"-4" off center. And that is just my preference, not that he is wrong.

[@BlakeRobison-jh3ft]

Y does evry dam person always got something bad to say this man is a pro im a roofing contractor and i would sub this guy all day long and i would prob give 120 to 145 a sq stop talki g crap 💩 all thesedudes in the construction feild think every body sucks but them stop talki g shit

[@douglascunningham148]

Also at the1818 mark, your weave doesn't go under the dormer shingle far enough. Now I see why YOU have to use metal in your valleys lol.

[@liquidmagma]

Coulda run that valley metal another inch or so past so it dumped out further down the shingle away from the trouble spot. Starter course with a little overhang up the dormer gable rake would be good, too.

[@joshfullerton5608]

If You are going to put metal in the valley why not just put "W" Valley metal? Looks so much nicer and uses less material.

[@dayemassey1132]

Should have put down the felt paper. Then put down the course didn't put the flashing down

[@jeffreystewart1711]

You don't need metal in the valley if you know what you're doing

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

You do not but if the builder wants it you install it or you lose his business

[@jeffreystewart1711]

@@Lifes_Apprentice that's totally different if requested

[@gt6989]

I've been roofing for 20 years, looks good to me 👍

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Thank you for your service! lol

[@danahasson2892]

Justin I hope that was your dump trailer in the driveway not someone else's.

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

That was the homebuilder but we have set a dumpster for him on another house and he has plans to use us for future projects

[@carloscronado6755]

Thanks bro for your helping new guys videos

[@WickedGod-l7x]

Don't notch nothing Get ur reciprocating saw and trim the damn thing so it can be thoroughly underlayed properly. I hate shade tree , I'll make it work, even if it's wrong technicians.

[@HungNguyen91622]

i have this on my roof and its got a leak and bad design from what the contractors are saying

[@BrianDelaney-e7v]

Never put a nail on your left side of your valley in the exposed shingle part

[@beautifulstep]

You're awesome brother, thank you!

[@highgateboss1878]

They don't want you to teach up so they say sh/t it work for u it works

[@zimalettoaz]

Thankyou for sharing this, will need to replace my roof soon

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

You are welcome!

[@jeffreystewart1711]

You must have just started roofing you started at the bottom and left a 1 inch shingle next to the drip edge who does that

[@shawncummings4653]

He's a self taught beginer. Oviosly!

[@richardmitton4115]

5:01...nail placement? What does that mean?

[@lawnrebel]

Yep first

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

I would have been suprised if you were not! I never got an email from you?

[@lawnrebel]

@@Lifes_Apprentice Addy again?

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

@@lawnrebel [e-mail]

[@Antknee1983]

No starter?

[@danielsmit11]

Exactly what I was going to say. Yikes

[@danielsmit11]

Although at the 5 minute mark looks like there's is a starter.

[@nitrochaney1026]

The California cut valley

[@70ixlr86]

Architects think that's a neat detail on a drawing, But the dormer roof not coming out as far as the main roof line is tragic. With the convergence, having a small section of roof to catch feet of snow in a very compromising position, convoluted by possible ice dambing in the valley as well. Great vid. TY

[@romuloperez7960]

You got a good helper

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Thank you!

[@henrychuong2500]

At 19:37, why did you stack the shingle insted of running that row across before installing the row on top? That way you dont have to stack it. Just curious

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

I stacked it because it allows me to start with full shingles through the rest of the valley

[@scottcollen4675]

​@Lifes_Apprentice all u had to do was cut the shingle in half under it run it to other side them boom no stacking all to save to seconds now u have 2 seams on each other bad call

[@joerobijr]

Good job man! So do you have ice and water shield and sheet metal in the valley?

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

yes

[@ThomasBurke-v2l]

Oh my God I can't watch you going up these valleys you're messing up so bad

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Can you elaborate?

[@Maynardd]

@@Lifes_Apprentice no, he can’t, because there’s nothing wrong with it 😂

[@MichaelJMorris-fo3jw]

What's a Ruff???

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

We call a roof a ruff up north here lol

[@hhprogressiveconstruction1140]

Nice work Justin is that a new build your putting a roof on.

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Yes. I do not do much new construction but this fall we have a quite a few lined up

[@robertmayer285]

Why didn't you Weave your bottom before you started running your always supposed to weave your first to shingles dnt matter what valley your doing always supposed to weave the first to always

[@donnam8117]

Your the best

[@nathanhildebrandt2672]

Need a 1 inch overhang on the gable ends, as well as starters. Tip for sliding shingles underneath, take a sawzall blade and cut away nails a d make yourself space to slide a full shingle at the bottom of that valley. shingle

[@joerobijr]

So what do you do when you get back down to them stacked shingles? Do you just stack them 2 rows all the way across? Or do you somehow adjust them?

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

I will just stack those rows into the next valley. If it was a really long run I may do it differently

[@scottcollen4675]

Smh it takes 2 seconds to put a 12 inch piece in didn't have to start with full

[@shadowshadow668]

Thank you for your video. I would like to ask a question, is the roof laid from the valley?

[@thomasjohnson3793]

Before I laid the paper or the underlayment I would have taken my Saw all out and cut it out enough to get my shingles up there too layers. Then I would installed my ice and water shield and installed the ice and water shield down the Valley Cutting out the relief where I've cut the wood then You installed some kind of aluminum Valley metal. I guess that's proper for your end of the world. Go ahead put that on just like you did get up underneath it. And I'm not sure if you noticed you were catching up with your starter shingle. Other than that you are teaching people too slow down and pay attention to detail. We call that a production Valley.

[@samsonroy4059]

Amazing!! I love McDonald's!!

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Mcdonalds? lol

[@DanShannon-v3t]

Awesome vid, thx! I’m tie-ing in a small front entry, 4x6, into my existing roof. The main roof is 12pitch (cape). I was planning on matching the 12 pitch on the new addition. You mentioned that this California method might not work in a high pitch roof…. Why is that, and other options for shingling where 2 12 pitches meet?

[@ericnesmith1347]

Access valley. I think he means excess valley. Drives me crazy for some reason lol.

[@MAGAMAN]

Stahp.

[@PuebloRevolt1680]

Like ACROST!! instead of"Across" lol

[@struckync]

well you learned me how to do it, Im not a roofer

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Happy to help

[@muddygupps4330]

That is a beautiful job. I remember one time I assisted on a roof bringing nails and shingles to who needed them. These guys did an entire roof, and because these guys just knew everything about everything, they swore they had it down. So I watched em to learn what I could and they didn't do anything you just did here. I heard months later the entire roof needed replacing. After that these know it all's slowly drifted out of town lol. Taking the bosses truck with them. Honestly I'm glad they are all gone. They'd put their hand in anyone's pocket if you let em.

[@rippedroofer88]

I cant believe 2024 and people are still not putting on gable starter

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

explain to my what you think the purpuse for gable starter is?

[@rippedroofer88]

@Lifes_Apprentice extra seal all the way up the gable end and extra protection incase any water gets in there's an extra layer to shed the water and it visually just looks better from the ground it gives a nice clean edge all the way around and I know where I live it's code too have it on the gables and eve's

[@howardmurphy2841]

My factory edges would always be on the right hand side

[@joshfullerton5608]

No drip edge metal? No 1inch overhang on drip edges or gable ends?

[@DanShannon-v3t]

Awesome vid, thx! I’m tie-ing in a small front entry, 4x6, into my existing roof. The main roof is 12pitch (cape). I was planning on matching the 12 pitch on the new addition. You mentioned that this California method might not work in a high pitch roof…. Why is that, and other options for shingling where 2 12 pitches meet?

[@shawncummings4653]

Word from the wise. As a 35 year roofer, keep your 12/12 pitch add on. With all old roof tie in, gust make sure to cut back the pattern of your stager at least 5 inches. You can do this every other row of shingles. Good luck. 😅

[@josevalentin2567]

👍

[@davidpritch718]

We called it a half lace.

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Thanks for watching!

[@bravo5997]

Why don't you have a clay shingle?

[@romuloperez7960]

Pretty valley

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

I am glad you like it!

[@redsresearch]

hmmm @ 2:33 why did you skip that nail?

[@TheChiquito1978]

How much did you charge for this roof here

[@ThomasBurke-v2l]

Og ,😅 it's kind of leak!

[@highgateboss1878]

Great job brother thumbs up 👍

[@cookiemonster2044]

isn't it supposed to be reversed?

[@DragonsInTheSkyy]

Thank you so fuggin much

[@heidiholiday1879]

What's with the hoodie??

[@JerZyDude88]

Here's my biggest problem. Everybody does it there way the way they know that roof is waterproofed. If that roof looks good and doesn't leak it's the right way. Period let a man work. Learn adapt evolve you know. Hey buddy good video.

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

AMEN! Theres alot of trolls and know it alls but I am not woried about my work and I sleep great during a rain storm! These same trolls will tell you they never have leaks....NEVER! I have been roofing for 20 years and have had leaks in different cases over thousands of roofs...Everyone gets a leak every once in a while no matter how much experience you have. It happens to the best of us but I am fully confident in my roofing techniques and I try not to let trolls get to me. Thanks for watching!

[@redsresearch]

you should make a vid explaining what you mean by cutting them on a different pitch to keep the offset

[@shawncummings4653]

No such thing your offset is acculy called a book,and it is allways the same on any pitch.

[@redsresearch]

@@shawncummings4653 working up the valley

[@mendoza59nm-76]

You are doing great

[@Mike-qo4kp]

Love the info

[@joshfullerton5608]

You should always roof the side of the valley that has less of a pitch first. If both sides of the valley are the same pitch you roof the dormer first. In this situation it would be easiest to roof right-handed into the valley rather than left-handed out of the valley unless you are in fact left handed. When you come out of the valley like that your pattern is not going to be 5 5/8 like it should be. Your pattern looks to be about 3 to 4 in which is not okay.

[@shawncummings4653]

As a 35 year roofer myself, you are absolutely right. This dude is as we call them. A hack.

[@scottcollen4675]

Sometimes u do get a nice 6 inch stagger he has about 4 which isn't good.. start from left and then cut at ur valley on other side and boom still just as fast lol

[@waterproofingdecksymas5853]

Good video what state you work

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Wisconsin

[@shawncummings4653]

He acculy works in the state of confusion. I would not recommend learning from this dude. Not much done right.

[@vmxg8052]

@@shawncummings4653 Haven't seen any videos of your great work.

[@shawncummings4653]

@@vmxg8052 Don't need to impress you. Grow up !

[@vmxg8052]

@@shawncummings4653 LOL... grow up... this is your first post without a spelling mistake.

[@michaelyates-guerrero1334]

Got a question I remember from roofing when i was seventeen i kinda remember but in valley do u run the side with more pitch over the other side so water doesn't run under or does that not matter with this system I recently bought a house ajd want to use this

[@eastside0434]

You are exactly right,steep side over lower slope side,not like he done here,you will also notice his steps on the shingles at the far left are only about 3"or 4" which needs to be 6" ,younwill notice at 23:40 looking down the opposite valley from the top view water will run under it and cause major issues, 35 yr roofer here.

[@joshfullerton5608]

EXACTLY

[@shawncummings4653]

Yes allways, don't learn from this dude he's clueless.

[@andrewjames1613]

Good video! Your a caveman 💪💪

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Thanks!

[@andrewjames1613]

@@Lifes_Apprentice I think that color is Querry gray it's nice I used it earlier this year

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

@@andrewjames1613 It is quarry grey. It is a fairly standard color like hearthstone grey or estate grey

[@andrewjames1613]

@@Lifes_Apprentice I like it I call it queer gray. Estate gray on OC is my favorite still

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

@@andrewjames1613 Queer grey is a good name! lol I just get tired of putting on the same 3 colors black,grey, and light tan. I like the cool colors

[@ManuelCastillo-pr6sl]

maaaaannn!! you are fenomenal! i would love to learn this and become a pro!

[@BlakeRobison-jh3ft]

I do it how ur doing it now bro u do great work let the haters hate i got my own company and u have taugjt me alot god bless u brother

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Thanks I appreciate that

[@shawncummings4653]

You shouldn't call professional roofers haters. This dudes a hack.

[@BlakeRobison-jh3ft]

​@@shawncummings4653how is he hack dude

[@XroorX]

I’m doing a reroof on a rental and I don’t need to do most of this work. I came here and appreciate the weaving concept where the large plane meets the dormer

[@Lifes_Apprentice]

Thanks for watching

[@gerryhamstra7384]

You had me until “California Valley”. That is a lazy man’s way of doing it and manufacturers advise against it.

[@shawncummings4653]

I tell them the same thing, they call us compatent roofers hater's.😃😃

[@RobXb]

That’s how we do it because of valley metal

[@BrianDelaney-e7v]

I agree 💯

[@lukethirsk3775]

Dude there’s ice and water and valley metal under it it’s fine 😂😂

[@RobXb]

@@lukethirsk3775 it saves material doing it California cut.

[@howardmurphy2841]

Stager 8" 16,24 32 ,40 easy piece use your cut offs on the next edge