How to Shop For High End Cymbals

Are you in the market for a set of high end cymbals? This video will show you exactly how to test your cymbals out in the store before you shell out your hard earned dough! SUBSCRIBE TO THE CHANNEL for more great free drum lessons, pro tips, advice and cool product reviews!
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[@Azguul]

"Ting-Tingin' it like a sucker." Hahaha

[@theviraldrummer]

I truly believe this quote should be on the back of his shirts!!! Lol

[@sidfinley6087]

"...and you know what? It'll sound even better when you stop hitting it like a soft shoe candy pants!" That one made my day. Thanks Rob!

[@CurtisDWhale]

When you're in the music shop, you don't "know" the sound of the room, and you don't know if the cymbal blends with your other cymbals. That's why I always take my own cymbals and sticks with me as a reference.

[@BlanDam01]

If it ain't swelling, you ain't selling. Lol I'm dying man. If you ain't subscribing, you ain't abiding...

[@friedpickles342]

I started using WUHAN crashes. . Been a lifelong Zildjian player. No regrets on the WUHAN at a fraction of the price of "high end" cymbals. .

[@lucksury]

Made with same B20 Bronze alloy composition too. Can’t go wrong with em man

[@johnschweiger6486]

Great videos Rob. Practical, respectable, and common sense. Something that’s lacking very much in society today. Your videos on drum tuning should be viewed by every drummer on the planet! Simple and quick, and IT WORKS! Groove on, my friend.👍

[@JS45678]

Swipe Swell Tap Bell Great advice, Thank You Rob! 🤘😝🤘

[@narratorsays]

Your channel is great Rob, i keep coming back to your videos. From tuning the bass drum to this. Keep going brother. God bless you.

[@terrenceredmond4377]

Bro your one liners are priceless. Need to throw these drum proverbs on some shirts man. Love it!

[@izorohhh9633]

Great timing! I was going to go to the store to shop for some new cymbals for my kit. Thanks Rob!

[@SockerConny80]

This is a video that needed to be done! Glad you were the one to make it Rob. Seen too many ting-tingers afraid to look dumb by trying the cymbal out for real only to accomplish just that by not giving it a workout :)

[@davidskinner4818]

Thanks Rob for your channel enjoy your programs, I'm a 66 year old drummer and I learn alot from you

[@barrybebenek8691]

You’ve created more catch-phrases in that one, then you’ve done before! 😂😂 “If it ain’t swelllin’; it ain’t sellin!” 👍🏼 Grata advice with comparing to cymbals one’s got already. Learned that years ago, and makes a huge difference winner shopping. Do that folks. Take a another drummers word for it. Don’t drop $300 bucks if doesn’t flow with your other cymbals. 👍🏼🇨🇦

[@anthonyglennmollicasr.425]

Great video as usual, thank you Rob!

[@magmorix3883]

Man, the other day, there was this crash I wasn’t even seriously considering, but since I hadn’t gotten a chance to see one of them before, I thought I might as well try a swell, and it was… inspiring. I was tempted to buy it on the spot.

[@Rockin_Ross]

Right on about testing a few others with the one you want. I have an assortment of cymbals from different brands. So I’ll take my most used crashes to the store with me, set them up and see how a new one will fit with the ones I already have. Using all your techniques of course.😉

[@bengoldstein8591]

"So if you're a Zildjian person, you want to try out some K's, pair it up with some A's...they don't necessarily have to all be in the same line." - They don't even have to be from the same *brand* as far as I'm concerned. Unless you have a cymbal endorsement, there's really no reason why your kit has to have *all* Zildjian or *all* Meinl or whatever. Everyone has their ideal conception of what a ride cymbal should sound like, what a pair of hats should sound like, what a high crash should sound like, what a low crash should sound like...the odds of finding all of that from one cymbal brand is actually pretty small. I mean, I understand not wanting to have a mutt-looking kit, but there are so few situations where that actually matters.

[@danlc95]

Not really. The major companies have extensive ranges to cover a lot of bases. It's more likely that someone *can* find what they need from one manufacturer.

[@speedoflite1]

Love the sound of cymbals. It's the fire that brings the drums alive. Just listen...🔥🔥🔥

[@ianisaacs2340]

I got my Paiste 602 cymbals just because I saw them in a 1967 Ludwig catalog and I wanted a "60's motif" on my club dates... guess I lucked out! I never tried any of them till I already owned them, and I gotta say they are the love of my life. Great video as always, love your sweet array of signatures.

[@antoinne1]

Love Paiste cymbals

[@helihub4768]

Love you honesty. Love your work

[@johnpietrolaj8917]

I will follow these hints everytime I shop from now on. It makes sense!

[@thejackbutlersociety-footh3275]

Solid Advice as Always Beatdown!! Cheers!

[@sacredinferno2112]

You seem to read my mind for video ideas every time you upload!

[@mrmisfit635]

Yesss, I made the hundredth "Like"! (Feelin' kinda proud o' myself) Great video Rob!

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

🏆

[@jacques_mw]

Another useful thing to try out is cymbal chokes. I find some crashes choke better than others, thinner ones usually.

[@jrtrejo495]

Doctor! I promise not to hit it “like a soft shoe candy pants!” LMAO! I love it THANKS. Sometimes I feel pretty conscientious about hitting those cymbals at the music store when so many people go in there and start hitting those things all day! It makes me wonder if those poor souls behind the counter get headaches, with all they put up with on a daily basis. My cheeks are still hurting from laughing still. Great video on your recommendations. Again, thank you.

[@tobiaswinter1358]

Nice video, very good insights for the aspiring drummer! How about a video on cleaning Paiste cymbals properly without damaging them?

[@kingalysterianlion5542]

Bro! I love your videos!

[@cskeise]

Ok..... RB, how about some long sleeve t-shirt for the cool cats supporting your channel... 💙👊😎

[@r.a.8590]

HA!! Your videos are awesome. Thanks Rob !

[@Walt1960]

Hi Rob, Could you please start carrying some tall sizes in the tees. I’m shopping for cymbals now for my first set. Great video, thanks.

[@MrRoarkArchitect]

Everything I have is the Paragon Neil Peart Sabians except my hi hats which are 14" mastersound Zildjn, and they're really great cymbals for rock, without being overly loud, but the ride is huge and heavy af.

[@dangermartin69]

Kijiji is a good friend for buying good cymbals for less money. I found an ad for a 16 AAXplosion crash along with an 18 AAXplosion crash. Had to drive a little over an hour but I bought them both, in like new condition, for 230 dollars. Went to Long and McQuade and they had the same cymbals in stock: 460 dollars with taxes, so I paid half. Bought a HHX Revolution ride the same way for 180 bucks. McQuade's price, well over 300 dollars. Yes, I have all Sabian cymbals. They are high quality and a Canadian company, so it's a no brainer for me.

[@DGreuter]

Hi Rob! Great Video, but I would say, definitely check out the specs and consider your playin! Years ago I spent a fortune on a thin crash that, due to heavy and wrong hitting cracked, but I still have my heavy and medium cymbals I bought 15 years ago, they survived that heavy phase. Love your channel, man!

[@ralphgilbert9527]

Any advice on sizes or is that just a personal preferance too. Loved the video. Keep up the great work you do.

[@scottlowell493]

1. Go to GC, try them, and go into cardiac arrest over the prices. 2. Go to ebay and buy used for 60% less.

[@thesneakygamer4343]

Scott Lowell I buy all my cymbals used. I honestly think cymbals sound better when they are worn in.

[@scottlowell493]

NORMALIZATION OF IGNORANCE I limit my risk by dealing with highly rated sellers.

[@thesneakygamer4343]

Scott Lowell even with highly rated buyers sometimes the cymbal isn’t as good as another one I have played. One of the reasons I primarily play Paiste is the consistency from cymbal to cymbal. I never worry about the cymbal sounding completely different to the one I played in the store

[@2Zero8discipline]

@@thesneakygamer4343 I agree! My first cymbal was a used 18" Zildjian Dark K crash that I bought in a pawn shop back in 1986 for $10.00. It had a 2 inch crack, so I drilled holes on each side and it's still one of my favorite sounding cymbals and it still sings after all these years! I have a set of gig drums\cymbals that I can afford to damage and another set of drums\cymbals that stays in my studio covered. John Bonham: Brushes? Nah, Hit 'em as hard as you can!

[@Craiggg12345]

I bought all my Zildjians used from Guitar Center and Reverb lol

[@blakecurtis7809]

Stop hitting it like a soft shoe candy pants! Respect.

[@PNW_Sportbike_Life]

Just picked up a 17” k dark thin for $120 on offer up. Guitar center used is also a great resource. All cymbals I buy are used.

[@honuman39]

Maybe the best advice I ever got about buying a crash cymbal is to bring your ride with you to the shop. You can have a great crash cymbal and a great ride cymbal but they might not go together. Dark dry rides and bright crashes don't work together imo for example but not all bright tones work together so it's good to know the sound you're going for.

[@jimshadforth1686]

The weight of the stick and bead shape make a huge difference on ride cymbal sound.

[@gothic8]

Ron, Always ask you to do crazy stuff. It won't change! Can you talk about choosing studio sound defeating foam please? You Izzzz you is Da Man!

[@daveyboy8907]

Thanks man,,subbed

[@ryanspeed4671]

On point as usual..

[@zoohuman]

Your crash cymbal sounds beautiful.

[@HR2635]

great advice!... what cymbal is that you are using to demo!?.. damnnnn it sound sweet!

[@JohnJones-cg2xm]

If it's a crash, put it with a kit and play it with the bass drum as loud as you think you are going to hit it. No bell needed for a crash. You can hear a nice cymbal right away pretty much. If it's a ride, you really concentrate on the bell and see how washy it is and/or how clear it sounds.

[@tmaddrummer]

Good Morning Rob!!!

[@gothic8]

That is a class act Sir! Gonna get me one. How are they fitting?

[@brandonminyen5761]

New subscriber here !!

[@TheDrummer51]

Always enjoy your videos Rob, and I learn something from you every time. I assume you can only mention some brands. My working brass is Zildian A's or Sabian AAX's. I usually don't worry about trying out a new one because I assume that the same model cymbals are going to harmonize with each other, although one kit I use has a Sabian one side and Paiste on the other (I thought I'd sworn off Paiste's almost 50 years ago but this one's gorgeous). Anyway, am I making the wrong assumption thinking a different size should match just fine with the same model cymbals?

[@markcrisp4867]

That’s what I do Brother Rob I Mix K custom crash & ride with Sabian HHX groove hats 💯🎼🥁😊✌️

[@paddymaguire1703]

Thank you, that swellin' 'n bellin' was compellin'...😼

[@russwilson2305]

An expensive lesson I recently learned is: If you intend to use a crash or hat in the studio, primarily -consider a lighter crash and hat. This may just be me though. One thing I rarely hear in a recording session is "give me more of that hat!"

[@HenkJanDrums]

Thanks.

[@TheMICMusicInspirationChannel]

How to shop for high-end cymbals: 1. Get on Craigslist 2. Find someone who's trying to sell ALL their good quality gear quickly because they have to move or pay rent (or whatever) 3. Buy it all 4. Clean and refurbish drums and hardware 5. Sell nice clean drums and hardware for as much or more than you paid for everything 6. Keep high-end cymbals for a net cost of zero or less

[@Sammoga_Yeddi]

Great video again Rob. I would like to see video about cymbal cleaning and how you do it.

[@pour-g8677]

I had a drum kit with a 12 13 tom.. but recenlty bought a 10 inch to replace either the 13 or 12 was that a good upgrade?

[@rjsal246]

Should we also try the spangalang on them too?

[@rhythmcaster2018]

I really like that crash (or ride?) in your tutorial section.

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

18” Dark Energy 👌🏽🥞

[@danieldacosta8092]

Hi I have brilliant finish cymbals but I have a hhx set of hats tht are to load is it wrong to have traditional hats when the rest are brilliant?

[@Philipp.of.Swabia]

Thanks , now I know that I should tell my friend that he should not ping pinging the cymbals like a little dush when he plays hardrock drums 😂😂

[@rogerbrichacek3140]

I take my phone with and the music I want to use it for and play it and test the cymbal. I have a good ear and can tell the difference between the cymbals. I check several factors of the sound to see if they fit . Really most don’t. I am very picky. It’s always a very expensive cymbal that matches my sound specs. 😜🤣😂 I guess you get what you pay for. Some are cymbals from the 70s that are hard to find exactly. I don’t get hung up on Brands. I have quite a variety.

[@dave_sanderson]

Thanks heaps for this. What would you recommend for following these ideas where you can't get heaps of options? I'm in New Zealand and it seems each store only has a narrow range of stuff to try. I'm researching and window shopping currently for my own first kit - but I've played other kits a while back for some time, from super budget to super high end (my old man has a Sonor Hilite and Istanbul kit for instance). I know quality when I see it or hear it, but pretty nervous to go into a store and go with whatever narrow range they have. Alternative seems to be to listen to videos online and order blind from the US and hope the particular example of X cymbal sounds as planned. Thoughts and tips super welcome. :) PS - keep up the channel, it's super awesome!

[@michaelanderson2881]

Here's my advice: as soon as this COVID-19 crap is behind us, find a bunch of investors and open up a full-range music store on the island. You'll make a fortune and maybe even bring NZ back to its new wave glory days of dozens of top-quality bands.

[@andatebuenomevoy7540]

Aguante profeeee saludos de chileeeeee

[@swamygee]

Whats the cymbal that you're playing and doing the demo on?

[@umajunkcollector]

and take it out on the floor, and stand about ten feet away, then have someone put the cymbal through its paces. they always sound different from the playing position, and audience position.

[@darrenhurst1]

Anyone know which mic is being used to record the cymbal demo from 6:08 ? Thanks.

[@brookehornback1896]

If I ever,correction.when I'm close to intermediate drummer.Not gonna be a soft shoe candy pants when I'm testing cymbal updates.Not happening!

[@cghbbbmbvbcdfhkjh3160]

How does your yamaha shell set is called and where can you find it?

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

It’s a PHX series. You can order them at any Yamaha dealer

[@jessereyna9274]

Love me my Paistes...❤️❤️❤️

[@pjones78]

What is the cymbal you are testing in the video? I am trying my best to find a good paiste cymbal. I am split between a 17in 602 modern crash, 17in masters crash, and 17 in signature dark energy. What do you suggest?

[@rudysnell5079]

Get your headphones on and go to the Paiste website. Add all 3 to the sound room and compare. The beautiful thing about Paiste is their consistency. Pretty much what you hear online is what you get. Like Rob, I went with the 17' dark energy, mkI, but I also have the 16" modern essentials which compliments the 17" dark energy nicely. Good luck!

[@ghettostreamlabs5724]

My problem is, I feel like I need to take my other cymbals with me to see how the new cymbal "fits" with the pitch of the others. I have burned myself a bunch of times doing this - sounds awesome on its own, but doesn't go with the others. Maybe it's just me...

[@westondifranco9313]

Rob, have you checked out the new paiste extra dry series? I'm not a paiste guy, but they sound awesome.

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

😫 I haven’t yet. But I’ve heard them and they sound freakin gorgeous. It’s probably a good thing I stay away from them cuz I want a new BBQ 😕

[@westondifranco9313]

@@RobBeatdownBrown I'm getting ready to buy some high quality cymbals. It will be quite an investment. Awesome video 👍

[@ronaldgenendlis6423]

Oh swell!!!

[@joetoe9207]

Second that on the Paiste DE series. My favourite cymbal maker by a mile and my favourite series of 'em. Great overall advice! I've gone south on some purchases because I committed that fatal flaw you mentioned at the beginning (thanks for destroying my self-esteem with the label you gave me...soft-shoe... :-)). Great channel, Professor Rob!

[@crawfordmerk5685]

Anyone know a cymbal in Zildjian that sounds like the 22 masters swish?

[@jc3drums916]

Zildjian doesn't make anything close. Why not just get the Paiste?

[@jasperjenkins7729]

I own a 21 Dark Energy DryDark. AMAZING cymbal. Today I got a DE 8 Splash. Delicious. Bought a 21 Masters cause I thought it sounded Cool. Paid $405 Am Not impressed😥

[@dustbunnysafari]

Ride cymbals for me have always been the toughest cymbal to find.......I like to play the bell but like a nice ping with just a little wash........Most great bell rides are too dry and most great ping rides have too weak a bell sound......

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

Enter the 602 Modern Essentials. But yea, it’s damn near impossible to find the Swiss Army knife of rides that does every job perfectly. Sometimes it’s just worth spending the $$$ on the perfect one.

[@CameronBartholomew]

@@RobBeatdownBrown Genuinely curious about why you prefer the 602 to the Dark Energy Mark II..... that Mark II has always seemed to me to be the ultimate "bucket list" ride (Mark I perhaps a bit too dry). Love to hear your thoughts on those two.

[@ramonkey2939]

I agree I love Istanbul Agop cymbals but you are right you have to buy different ones to get that killer bell sound. I got 24” OM and 24” Joey Waronker the Joey has the better bell sound your cymbal collection is like a toolbox. Your’e the mechanic get to work!

[@loudtowncar]

Rob I keep getting tendonitis in my right elbow... should I stop playing drums or is my technique off. Really been bugging me lately.

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

I’m a lot of things, but a doctor ain’t one of em 😐

[@JS45678]

I’m not a doctor but I’ll play one here: DON’T ever stop playing drums! Put a brace on that bad wing, take 800mg of Ibuprofen, and get back to work on that kit friend; The Show Must Go On! 🤘😝🤘

[@Mudge07]

Rob, maybe he confused what type of clinician you are, a drum clinic ain’t a surgery LL. 😷

[@loudtowncar]

Come to think of it I raised my hi hat up quite a bit! No she’s back down and will definitely watch those technique videos!!!

[@hiptoalieu]

Shop with your ears, NOT with the specs!!!!!! PREACH!!!!! there's a couple of cymbals I wouldn't own if i just thought about specs, and genre stereotypes!!!!

[@ivanbajovic3476]

In my country when you come in the music instruments store and when you ask salesman to hit the cymbal, he kick your ass out of store and tells you: "You can hear the sound on KZbin"

[@MrFreebie777]

Soft shoe candy pants

[@leonnavarro9240]

What About Ride Cymbals !

[@t3hgir]

drop catch

[@warrenoids]

I just buy the one that says “Paiste” on it.

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

FACTS 💯

[@mcgrup]

LOL candypants!

[@SuperQdaddy]

I'm very picky on cymbols... I've found old zildgen hi hats make good crash cymbols... also cracked cymbols with added rvits..make good crash...also if you see a drummer live..and like his cymbol find out what it is...when you go to a store with 100 cymbols..it can get difficult...cheap cymbols sound terrible..dont bother

[@leddrummer6893]

11:47 Oops..😅

[@donalddailey1995]

I just checked, my shoes are soft and I found a candy bar in my pants. Uhoh!

[@mattytee4514]

New tshirt.... soft shoe candy pants lol

[@morgunstyles7253]

Test out a cymbal? Not in any of the stores around here. I could name a few. They freak out about making so much noise. Not kidding.

[@ghettostreamlabs5724]

Next shirt should say "Tin-Tingin Like a Sucker"

[@robsco1249]

You don't need to spend a lot of money...there are cheap, first class professional cymbals on the market nowdays.

[@ACLOCKWORKDRUMMER]

buy zildjian.......ALLLLRIGHT

[@hf4838]

Just buy anything with a custom on it, easy

[@lightfootmusick]

remember dodge, dip, dive, duck and dodge

[@davidmcaninch4714]

If you ain’t tappin, you nappin.

[@RobBeatdownBrown]

Skrate up 💯

[@chopperking007]

Paiste 2002s...bonzos choice...

[@Noobhead34DoesMC]

do all those tips then you go home and find it cheaper on another site and buy it

[@drumfunktion3184]

Ok , I'll take the crash.