How to Slide Stability Control Equipped Vehicles

[@Jpampyn]

no doubt it´s one or the best Channel to help to improve the driving skills. As always awesome.👍

[@kruuuser]

First encountered DSC on a diesel Golf, years ago, messing about on light snow. As Wyatt said, I turned in with way too much steering and it tagged the brakes to rotate and I got into oversteer and drifted round the bend - Thought either the Golf was a cool tail-happy sports car, or i was a rally hero! Was only when I found the DSC off button and tried again that I realised I had no skills at all on snow! Buffed out the scuffed front bumper and all was well ...

[@rallywagon261]

Just took my Explorer out and put it into mud mode. Can confirm that it's far easier to get sideways than just turning off the TC in the menu. Way, way better to drive in some snow now. Thanks for the video!

[@snek9353]

Probably your best video yet, this completely conforms with my own experience and understanding. I'd add one thing though, in an AWD keep your foot in it as well. Let the system use the AWD to pull you where you want to go. To do that it needs your agreement on the go pedal.

[@jellemarona]

I like being able to turn it off, because when i'm having fun and concentrating i have pretty decent vehicle control. But stability control definately saved my car at least once when i was just cruising along and talking on my phone (handsfree ofcourse) with a friend. I hit an oil or coolant spot in a tight left corner, dsc stopped me from sliding into the curb and bending my wheel or suspension.

[@rallywagon261]

I have the same model explorer, 13-14 model. You can further "turn off" more of the traction control in the menu on the cluster controls. In non Sync models, using the odometer controls enter Setting -> Driver Assist and uncheck Traction control. It doesn't fully turn off the TC, but it does dumb it down a fair bit. Mixed with mud mode it does help make a difference.

[@aceline9087]

Rally driving is like learning how to play the drums. In Europe they call it the flicken. Tires play the most important role all round here. It is so fun in the snow.

[@craigsawyer6453]

On some older cars, and a few base models from japan, the ABS can be disabled by pulsing the break pedal four times in succession. Worth trying when you are out playing.

[@miguelt.7997]

I've figured a "drift mode" on my mk7 GTI, turning TC off but ESC on, very gentle LFB at the start of a turn and turning the wheel rather rapidly will induce the car in a very controlled oversteer / slide, only on loose surface however. It's actually a blast! I haven't seen anyone document this on KZbin, I may do one next time it snows here in KC.

[@diptarupghosh4431]

my 2017 si as the agile handling assist which uses brake vectoring along with having an LSD, in the snow its killer....

[@ExtremeWassabi]

Perfect timing for todays storm!

[@relco9825]

wow someone explained stability control to me in 30 seconds I feel like a new man

[@Moparornocar74]

The first time I slid my 2014 Ram 1500 I almost ended up in the ditch because I counter steered, having driven rally cars in anger I was quite surprised by the result I had. Pretty amazing how well the computer figured out how to maneuver the truck to point the direction of the counter steer, going from a really nice high angle slide to pointing at the the other ditch because of the computer wasn't fun, and I definitely prefer no computer fighting me for control of the vehicle

[@rjr1227]

Love your videos...I've played in the snow whipping donuts in my 2019 Sportage...I've got the urge to do more....this car does handle FANTASTIC in the snow on streets etc.... its so fun to turn off Traction Control, 4x4...and have fun in big open parking lots...

[@T4nkcommander]

Great information, especially about using the system to your advantage to recover. I own a Raptor, and the first thing a lot of people will do is tell you to turn everything off (or mostly disabled, can't get everything). I advocate the opposite - only restrict the system if you start activating it when you really don't want to. There's many times it can help save you when things go wrong, provided you still have it on! Granted, I usually end up turning everything 'off' for baja/rally style shenanigans, but other times the added safety of the system comes in really handy for narrow roads when an unexpected slippery spot comes up. And most drivers aren't at the competency level where they challenge the default settings, let alone the advanced 'all-off' ones.

[@NoBody1399]

Will we see the accompanying Will It Rally? in the explorer? Run the course with the red and blue flashing for some added excitement?

[@pdhabets]

Have you seen the video with the civilian version with the Ecoboost? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJzMpYxohquXd80

[@jameshaulenbeek5931]

My '16 Golf definitely had a severe learning curve with this. I went from driving old (late 80's - early 90's) Hondas where traction control was my foot, to a modern car that has modern tech. While turning off the traction control mutes it a little, it definitely doesn't turn it off. That would have to be coded in (or out) to make it completely analog.

[@240sxdriver]

If you ever get a chance to drive a 4Runner on here I'd be so stoked. It's incredible in deep snow and would love to hear your take on them. Best part is you can fully disable all traction/stability assists by holding down the button for a few seconds.

[@lsd25records]

great video ..loved the 1 about disabling the systems.. after a year I finally figured out to hold the TC button down to disable all control features on my B.M.W. 325i .. I can't tell you how much fun it is to drive now..The chattering brakes are gone.. the throttle retard is gone..all of it is gone... It's like a brand new car .. It was good to see this video . tied a bunch of other knowledge together .. I will never ever drive with the stuff on.. especially winter .. those things are actually dangerous in winter if it fights what you want to happen.

[@danielkushnerik8422]

Enjoyed watching some of the videos on this channel. On my 2nd gen Tundra you can disable VSC and TRAC, not the ABS. In the winter the safety features usually aren't too overbearing providing you have good/proper tires for the conditions, you can learn how to drive the truck at a decent pace while having them enabled. In the summer, they are overbearing, a firm shift that causes the slightest bit of wheel spin or too much movement in the suspension cuts the throttle. Turning them off is needed if you want to actually enjoy driving the vehicle.

[@Be4tJumper]

hopefully i can get the works truck sideways now. The 'chuck it in' tip makes sense because this one time i was so frustrated that i chucked it in way harder than you'd ever need to and i was glad the esp worked. I'm often amazed how it stops the rear wheels sliding without acting like a handbrake

[@XxSavageBearxX]

Something majestic about watching 2 tons flop around on your course lol

[@Jephph13bREW]

Depends on the car. On these ford police interceptor sedans and utilities, pulling the fuse forces the car into fwd only mode...

[@RedMo46]

Watching this channel (at least for places like Wisconsin etc) should be mandatory material in drivers ed

[@medloww985]

The Scandinavian flick is a good one too

[@neilmaccallum3476]

Awesome to see this! I do this in my explorer all the time in the snow! SOOO much fun!!!

[@bogdanavram7824]

I really enjoy these videos! Keep up the great work

[@kathyporter1718]

great video. i tried to do donuts in my new subaru crosstrek sport. still trying to figure out all the systems to turn off and stay off

[@Owen_Klick]

Can you “Will It Rally” a 2011-2016 Ford Super Duty?

[@Malins2000]

Hi! Is it possible to make a video on how to slide 4WD/AWD cars? and how to make dounuts with it?

[@aintcareracing9179]

I nearly put an Audi A6 Quattro into the ditch couse the esp turned on automaticly when I hit 50 mp/h (i dind't know it, it was my first "slide" in it). I was able to slow down enought to turn it off while going straight towards the dich... Than full lock + cluch kick(full throttle) saved my ass!

[@church493]

Funny, that as example for nannies controls near shifter, FR-S or BRZ shifter pic was displayed. In which it's easy to switch off almost all nannies (but e-diff & EBD), and with specific procedure of pedal dance - really all but basic ABS. I guess, more often "non-disableable, unless fuse pulled" case usually is rather in more common family cars then in sporty coupe.

[@jean-claudejosselin187]

useful 👍 especially with fwd police cars.....

[@ImaYam]

Can you use a 60 FPS setting or camera when doing car moving shots thanks great content

[@jeromespommes]

Where was this video, when it was snowing in my region??? :D

[@vulcanizedanthony145]

I've got my grandpa's 2012 equinox. The ABS and TCS in that thing are real buggers. When it kicks on the whole car just locks up and it's so annoying. It's a really comfortable car though, and has an amazing sound system.

[@SgtKaito]

I wish I knew this on my drive home from work yesterday, although I wouldn't have had enough room to slide a lot anyway. I need to find an empty parking lot.

[@Britcherbrianjr]

Has team O'neil ever tried out the newer mitsubishi mirages? I feel like they handle better than the fiestas

[@Teamoneilrally]

Mirages have to be pretty great because they basically weigh 2000 lb. We haven't spent any real time with one, but we'd love to.

[@Britcherbrianjr]

@@Teamoneilrally I'd love to see an O'neal mirage as well!

[@Joeytheknife905]

My new Ford escape won't slide ffs 😅 the 08 i turn off the traction control and im home free this one I turn it off and it turns on for some reason I wanna snap

[@kyledowling3484]

Weight transfer and tapping the brakes are your best friends in a car where you can't deactivate these systems

[@ilikerealflight]

recently discovered that tapping the traction control button (VSC button?) in my truck once, activates a stronger "auto LSD" and deactivates throttle cut in my truck. All the while keeping VSC on. Turns it into a completely different animal in the snow. Was initially stuck between turning everything off, or leaving it all on. Turning it all off left me "one wheel peelin" at lights, while leaving it all on had my truck going down to idle while attempting to turn left across an intersection. Neither of which are ideal. I can now roast both rear tires on command, as much or as little as I want, depending on the situation at hand.

[@leon_brave_racing898]

Show us how to drive the can am fast If you still have it

[@VersatileVillains]

can we get a snow time for the cone vehicle??

[@evrnire8474]

I think I’ll just *yoink* my fuse 😏

[@dman50amm]

Thanks!

[@johnpooley3]

Go for rear biased center differentials, set yourself up for success. 8ZF, DCCD, VTD

[@snek9353]

Mine's a RWD based Haldex, with TC in partial off it'll never pull power from the rear.

[@toninocars]

I tried with my car that uses Prius drive train and has permanent traction control but also a manual handbrake so was a lots of fun as long as I was at low speeds I did practice really well, there was no option to switch off TC, but even with it ON was cool. Video on my channel

[@brandonshepherd3317]

How would one get in a position to buy one of the schools practice cars after it's decommissioned?

[@Teamoneilrally]

You reeeeeally wouldn't want one of the rally school cars when we finally get rid of it

[@Joeytheknife905]

Will try to use it to my advantage. But it sucks I got pretty good at controlling it

[@RR-kd6bi]

Does rally driving skills transfer to off-road driving skills or vice versa or maybe those are two completely different skill sets?

[@Teamoneilrally]

Rally driving transfers to quicker-speed off road driving, like if you're looking at King of Hammers or any of the Baja stuff it's apples to apples just with more suspension travel. If you're thinking of more low-speed technical off roading like rockcrawling, that's really it's own thing but the rally skills will help you if you get into a skid or the truck starts sliding around

[@kilianortmann9979]

Might be just me, but I think stability control has become a lot better. The 'old' ones were just like: slide = bad; no matter what you did. Now they try and guess what you want the car to do and help as much as possible. Traction control and I won't become friends though, at least not in winter on FWD.

[@piciu256]

It really depends on the make and model, some are pretty good, others still only interfere. The esp is really helpful for moving off though- makes you spin both wheels instead of just one, a mode where throttle cut is disabled but the "electronic locker" is not would be ideal, not all cars have this (my Mazda for example only gives me all or nothing, no intermediate mode-)

[@snek9353]

@@piciu256 Mine does that, has a partial off setting where the system can no longer pull throttle and will allow more yaw. But the brake lock differential, AWD, stability control, brake bias, predictive braking, etc. still work. It's also RWD based with no ability to pull power from the rear. This combined with a driver who understands it is a powerful team.

[@aspecreviews]

Newer Toyotas and Lexuses (since about 2006) have a system called VDIM (vehicle-dynamics integrated management). These systems can not only stop a slide, they can predict one, and adjust the vehicle accordingly.

[@namog5118]

convenient that you blend in the interior of a brz at 1:29 :^)

[@ronaldswarthout5261]

traction off is through left side d pad options those explorers mk3 focus etc

[@Alfaqmi]

Correct, but they do not turn off completely. I own a 2014 Explorer and the best way to let the car slide is by using the "Mud" driving mode or "sand".

[@ronaldswarthout5261]

for models including fwd with no terrain selections and awd this is how to turn traction off

[@mworld2611]

I wonder if there are places like this where anyone can just take their car and practice rally driving and sliding and such. If there is a place where I can legally go slide my beater CRV around in the snow and mud, I'd go there every chance I get.

[@Teamoneilrally]

Ski area parking lots at night are usually a good bet... Any other big gravel parking lots, frozen lakes are huge entertainment

[@ownsplays5699]

what about a 2020 explorer ST?

[@mgdrivesGRY]

@1:29 HOW and WHERE do I get my switches in black instead of that toyotaGT/subaruBRZ grey???? Anyone pleasee?? :)

[@jarod144]

This is how I did donuts in my Prius lol

[@barrydodson4191]

Not all vehicles have that understeer control you mention with the abrupt turn in, some just plow due to saturating the front tires. Other vehicles will punt you into oversteer with the same tactic

[@Teamoneilrally]

Truth

[@barrydodson4191]

Also Some GM vehicles you need to press the esp button twice to get it into sport mode. But most vehicles should have the 5 second press for full stability off.

[@piciu256]

@@barrydodson4191 my Mazda only needs one click on the esp button, it gives all or nothing 🙃

[@comando293]

@@piciu256 which year? My 2012 3 deactivates the low speed stability control with a single press, but to disable everything (except ABS) requires a 7 second hold. Disabling the brake/throttle override is a whole process, so I don't do it often. It resets every time you turn the car off. I'm not sure how to disable the ABS, and I'm not sure I want to.

[@piciu256]

@@comando293 2005, first gen Mazda 6 (3 is the same afaik)

[@elizbararchvadze7619]

Do you guys have courses for poor people?

[@kazimierzwrona727]

How will it work in FWD?

[@bn880]

It's more less the same, it uses brakes.

[@LloydLynx]

8:28 That looked so wrong, it hurts to watch

[@Teamoneilrally]

Understeer is the worst

[@Vorgto]

Pull the ABS fuse

[@mtujaymo]

My 2008 car has no stability control at all. I am always on my own.

[@mblake0420]

I had one of these systems wipe me out.....I fkn hate them

[@Jephph13bREW]

Just here to figure out if anyone's found a way to disable the stability control on these ford interceptor's. Sedan and utility have them non defeatble and no one seems to have figured it out on the forums as well. Pulling fuses also deactivates awd and makes them fwd only so that doesn't work. All we know is that its deactivated in reverse...

[@Teamoneilrally]

A lot of electronic AWD vehicles out there go FWD when you start pulling the fuses and trying to have some fun. We don't have a good workaround for this yet (that's why this explorer still has stability active)

[@Jephph13bREW]

@@Teamoneilrally ya it's a bit of a disappointment. I bought a 2013 interceptor sedan as my winter beater. I thought it would make for a fun and reliable beater to slide around in the winter. Turns out I was wrong. I'm considering selling the car if no one can figure out the stability control issue and go back to having rwd winter beaters. Thought I'd try an awd car for once and ended up with a big disappointment lol.

[@Teamoneilrally]

They have their own problems too... But there's a reason that basically 90% of AWD rally cars in the US are Subarus.

[@bn880]

@@Jephph13bREW See if disconnecting an ABS sensor does the trick, if not I don't think anyone will figure it out as it would require custom firmware.

[@Jephph13bREW]

@@bn880 no that defaults the car to fwd mode. Seems like on the forums what they could figure out is that the esc is in a locked portion of the ecu which no one has been able to crack on these police cars sadly.

[@mohammedalsuwaidi683]

👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@Joshua-y8e]

Man driving that thing is like using a Logitech g29

[@elizbararchvadze7619]

🌨🌨🌨

[@kmikeru]

Removing ABS/ESP fuse doesn't count?

[@Teamoneilrally]

If you CAN get rid of it, great. If you can't get it disabled or don't have the time, this is how to slide around and have fun anyway.

[@rallywagon261]

That was literally covered in the beginning of the video.

[@Teamoneilrally]

So what is the question?

[@jfv65]

offcourse it does. But on most newer (CANbus?) cars that trick doesn't work anymore. Sometimes it is possible to switch these Nanny-systems off by getting the car into 'test-mode' or 'dyno-mode'. It often requires a specific sequence of switch/gaspedal activations. It differs from car brand to car brand. And you would have to do that each and every time you start the car because the car will switch back to the normal settings (= default) once you switch off and then restart the car.

[@Teamoneilrally]

There are some "cheat codes" like that but they're often tricky to find, and sometimes they shot off at a certain speed. A lot of newer cars it's basically impossible to defeat, or when you do you lose something else critical... Like the electronic throttle pedal doesn't work and you can't drive at all.

[@some5dude]

Fastest cars one the road are rental cars

[@Nice-Y]

All these modern systems are taking the fun away from driving

[@aspecreviews]

Without ESC, torque-vectoring systems such as Acura SH-AWD would have never been possible.

[@sf18th]

Slide a smart car next

[@americanpride9733]

I dont get why car companies are so in love with ‘assists’ cause they suck, at least let me turn it off

[@aspecreviews]

They dramatically reduce the risk of accidents.

[@americanpride9733]

@@aspecreviews How? For me its much harder to drive when the car keeps messing with me

[@Teamoneilrally]

They reduce accidents because 90% of drivers on US roads are driving with zero skills and often distracted

[@jakeells66]

"how to slide with stability control. Turn it off"

[@greatwhitenorthoverland]

What’s with the crappy video quality?!

[@user12122]

Too much repetion. That aint rocket science.

[@MrKushinator420]

Step 1: remove the fuse

[@aspecreviews]

Many stability control systems are highly integrated with the rest of the vehicle. I have a 2002 Prius with ABS and traction control. Pulling the ABS fuse will give me very limited braking because it's all by-wire.