How To Sound Like a ‘Real’ Punk

[@SugarpillProd]

1:51 I was really cooking there.

[@PenguinReaper-v9o]

ngl, I've been listening to way too much noise and experimental rock to think it sounds alright

[@pantheon777]

I actually liked it, but then I also like Late Coltrane ("Om" album), Sun Ra, Captain Beefheart and Melt Banana

[@RUDDERLESS7876]

Lowkey sounded like early black flag

[@dylanenriguehuntington2908]

Bro you can't say i'm anything but consistent cuz I think it sounds hard as fuck lmao.

[@lucasfer182]

Drive like jehu and at the drive in (live) kind of riffs

[@X70Cressida]

“Real” punk is doing whatever you want with whatever you have and whatever you know, no matter how complex or rudimentary it may be. These elitists waste time criticizing people instead of actually making their own shit. Don’t listen to the haters, you’re doing great!

[@SugarpillProd]

Haha it's all good! I enjoy having the back-and-fourth 'discussions' between myself and the many, many angry boomer punks out there. Keeps life interesting.

[@Whitehorse_crimefighter]

You guys are nerds ❤

[@chasm9557]

@@SugarpillProd They're just upset that they can't go into a mosh pit without wearing their knee braces and are taking it out on you.

[@PIZZAdayisback]

​@@Whitehorse_crimefighter 1. Apparently exhibiting any signs of care and competence for one's craft is being a nerd 2. Crust punk isn't metal and has no notable similarities to metal 3. Isn't punk about equality and freedom?

[@777Eliyahu]

Remember kids, the New York punk rock scene yielded the Ramones, Suicide, and the Talking Heads. The idea that punk is a singular style of music is stupid.

[@SugarpillProd]

Exactly, it's insane to think it's one singular sound. You're just denying basic history if you genuinely believe that line 🤣

[@Discarded_Youth]

Sense of humor is your most underrated talent. Still suing you for peeing myself laughing, papers are in the mail.

[@SugarpillProd]

Hahaha, I’ll inform my lawyer in due course.

[@nexmastercz5618]

Honestly, if you threw an agressive scream over that "real" punk song, It'd make for a pretty dope album filler

[@SugarpillProd]

I was wondering how long it'd take for someone to say it sounded 'good' 😂

[@allstarlord9110]

Finally a real punk song, im proud of you

[@SugarpillProd]

Thank you! I think it's my masterpiece, personally.

[@someguy999]

Personally, I'm not into pop punk, but I still enjoy these videos. It's interesting to see how different music genres are made and there's lots of subtle things that I can incorporate into my own playing.

[@casketrace6087]

Nailed it.

[@Banjies124]

I actually like parts of that 'real' punk song, it's messy, loud, wrong, and I think those qualities can be good

[@rome8180]

In my experience, it's only certain fans of punk rock who think in these super exclusionary, gate-keeping terms. The musicians themselves often have broad and diverse tastes. In my late teens, my band, which was not a punk rock band, opened for The Vandals. The crowd hated us. But The Vandals themselves could not have been nicer. They praised our creativity and compared us to some bands we actually hadn't heard. Those bands turned out to be great recommendations for us and ended up influencing our future music. Travis Barker was filling in on drums on that tour. I remember that he, in particular, was so nice and supportive despite already being one of the biggest drummers in the world. I don't think any musician worth his or her salt likes being boxed in. I know Fat Mike loves musicals, for example. And it's influenced a lot of the storytelling elements of his lyrics as well as the melodicism. Why would anyone want to stay within a narrow subgenre? It's so creatively limiting. It's the way bands push back AGAINST their genre norms and expectations that make their music interesting and memorable.

[@SugarpillProd]

Yeah, I agree. It definitely tends to be those who either never attempt to make music themselves - punk or otherwise - or who crashed out early on and are bitter towards those who found success, however you choose to define that. Being completely closed off to every kind of music other than the handful of subgenres you've deemed 'punk' has always seemed so alien to me. So many bands clearly took inspiration from all over the place, so limiting yourself in that way just seems like a sad existence. Maybe they're hoping that, if they try hard enough, Wattie might turn up at their house and give them a gold star for being so 'punk rock'.

[@PinoliCanoli]

Ironically, telling people what’s punk or not punk is the least punk thing a punk can do

[@SugarpillProd]

100%.

[@MOSCOWDEATH161]

lets be so for real though, the best punk is the low quality tape u get at a local show

[@jamesgphillips91]

I love you and this was amazing. As someone who grew up on punk and hardcore and grew into a person who followed artists into a myriad of genres (emo, post hardcore, noise, alt, stoner metal the list goes on) I think you’ve cracked the code 😂

[@croulantroulant3082]

wait The Clash is crust punk?? Man punk purists should have a meltdown listening to London Calling.... It goes from punk rock to ska to reggae, dub, rockabilly, new orleans grooves, latin and everything in between. Even worse with Sandinista hahaha.... Punk is an attitude more than a sound IMHO. And London Calling will forever be the GOAT punk album for me (oops showing my age here....) Anyways....love your channel keep it up!

[@SugarpillProd]

Haha London Calling is actually my all time favourite record. And yes, I fully agree with you. Thanks for watching!

[@am2p.]

Thank you for this video. I was hoping you’d make a video on how to sound like “real” punk after seeing the comments of the “uhhhm… actually, punk is…” people in some of your previous videos.

[@SugarpillProd]

I didn't realise how uninformed I was, so I had to set the record straight! I'm hoping I've finally succeeded in doing so 🙏

[@EpicJamTracks]

Trying to organize everything into neatly labeled little boxes is clearly the most punk thing you can do.

[@jonny26281]

That’s a killer tune you got there

[@SugarpillProd]

It do be a bit of a bop.

[@thewisemansfool]

okay but that ''real punk'' segment was actually pretty cool

[@supercres3794]

Genuinely baffled by people who insist on narrowly defining "punk" and ignoring the broad sounds the genre has to offer. The Proclaimers' "Over and Done With" is a great example of a non-"punk" song with very clesr punk influences. Pink's "Trouble" was written with Tim Armstrong and it sounds like a punk song to me! As long as you're making the music you want to make, I'd say that's pretty punk rock!

[@ChunterInfo]

Couldn't save it for April 1?

[@philchevrier]

Loved it. Thanks. I especially "love" when the people telling you what punk is and isn't are people who: 1- don't play or listen to it 2- last heard it when the Clash were still together 3- don't know any band other than the Clash or any band that recorded after 1985, 4- call a non-boosted plexi "high gain" 5- tell you punks have no talent while wanking away non-stop using the same pentatonic progession no matter what the scale and song. Thanks for keeping us in our place blues-boomers from the Gear Page! (Says this old genXer)

[@SugarpillProd]

Hahaha no problem! I appreciate you sharing your thoughts 🙏

[@poppunkloser]

"it's not about talent, it's about attitude"... hahhahaah this video was great dude!

[@SugarpillProd]

Haha thank you, I appreciate it!

[@samuelbi11]

Unfathomably based

[@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn]

The song you played at 1:51 sounds EXACTLY like the songs I listened to on the local community radio station in the early 80s on a show called "Lawnmower Music"!

[@SugarpillProd]

How popular was that radio station? 🤣

[@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn]

@@SugarpillProd The Station was popular, that show, not so much! I used to think it was pretty funny hearing bongs being pulled in the background while the DJ was talking! What really tripped me out years later was hearing an original song off our demo tape being played on the air. Someone found the cassette in the archives and liked the song "Smokin' Lightning" (sittin' 'round here watching our brains die, smoked so much I'm sure I could fly etc etc) so they played it as an unknown Adelaide band from the 90s 'Headcase'. It was pretty badly recorded, I'm not putting it on my music channel, but they played it on the air!

[@someguy999]

Not only was that a guitar solo, but he was also singing while playing it.

[@SugarpillProd]

Which is exactly why Chris will never be a 'real' punk ☝🤓

[@BobSmith-mx4zo]

awesome bro

[@braddersthemod]

NGL, i quite liked that song

[@SugarpillProd]

Ffs Brad 🙄😂

[@braddersthemod]

@ does that make me a "real" punk? 😂

[@SugarpillProd]

...You passed the test! 🥳🙌 Now go, tell every young person you meet how all of today's music sounds the same, even though you stopped listening to new records after the '90s. If they refute your points with facts, do not fret - Google Trends will be your guiding light. Simply show them how no one is Googling things like 'music' or 'rock' in 2024, and watch as their minds are blown away by your irrefutable evidence. That’s how we keep the punk rock spirit alive, by actively pushing out anyone who dares to enjoy it ✊

[@tomstewart2685]

Both the Sex Pistols and the Ramones were on major record labels. There is no such thing as "real punk" - if anyone makes you feel bad for enjoying the music that you enjoy then cut them out of your life. I have always gravitated towards the music because people in the scene have always made me feel welcomed and included, to me that's the real essence of "punk". Anyone operating outside of that concept is just gatekeeping trash. ignore them.

[@ozspierer4732]

dude your videos are awesome!!!!!

[@SugarpillProd]

Haha thank you! I appreciate you checking them out 🙌

[@BellsCuriosityShop]

Steve Jones of The Pistols practised 76 hours a day, MAAAAN!!

[@SugarpillProd]

He was so dedicated that he defied the basic laws of time and reality!

[@brokenemoriot]

I already fulfill requirement number one! Is it enough to take the punk exam?

[@SugarpillProd]

Of course! That's the entire punk rock plan. Step 1: Have no talent Step 2: Step 3: Profit

[@Ghostoftennesseemoltianti]

Don’t forget that you aren’t really a true punk, unless you’ve been called a poseur.

[@DatBoi-du7eo]

At least you mentioned the obligatory rustic look and lackof hygiene. On an unrelated note, do you count Motörhead as punk/punk adjacent?

[@SugarpillProd]

It's part of what gives them their punk rock brownie points - at least, I can only assume. I think people count them as at least adjacent to punk, though I couldn't really say. I don’t make a habit of telling people what is and isn’t punk, nor have I actually listened to them properly to know what they sound like, apart from the handful of songs most people would recognise.

[@DatBoi-du7eo]

@@SugarpillProd I think it's kinda interesting, since Lemmy insisted that they are closer to punk rock but were grouped with heavy metal cuz of their long hair.

[@SugarpillProd]

Mhm, you get a lot of bands like that. From Nirvana to Johnny Cash, or Woody Guthrie and RATM. There's a lot of influence and crossover in the genre, both past and present, even if they aren't typically thought of as being 'punk' artists.

[@digitalmarketinghumans]

Hey...nothing is more punk than Huey Lewis and the News.

[@SugarpillProd]

I can't think of them without immediately thinking 'HEY PAUL!' 😂

[@littlekingtrashmouth9219]

Their early stuff was a bit too new wave for me…

[@BrettHue-m8e]

I used to be a 'Deadhead' but not with the DEAD, with the News! As a, well...back then we were called Newsheads cuz we go from city to city following the kindest band of all time, HUEY LEWIS and the NEWS on tour, following our hearts & checking out the shows!!! Can you dig it? To the extreme, ya hear?! To the friggin' extreme!!!! Just bein' mellow, groovin' to far-out sounds and dosing on cid, and ofcourse goin' on tour with the NEWS! Brothers, sisters, Sisters and brothers.... 😊 You don't even know ....On everything, this was soo fursure, and way Rad, so stop playin' Inbetween Rainbow gatherings, 70 shows easy! Huey and the family were my reality....my family.....Uuurthang to me....Soooo to the extreme to me that...mmmaaaaas'nnn ..you just....you don't even know.... FYI, a footnote as it were, but yeah, got 'miracled' at Alpine '88! and saw the kindest version of 'I need a new drug' since Irvine Meadows'85 IMHO, maybe best of alltime!!(?). Yo fam, 'if this is it'(and me thinks it is!)? The News implores you to NOT 'feel like a stranger' and rather channel your 'heart and soul' & 'power of love' to just keep 'truckin' 'back to the future' (figuratively speaking obviously! Stop playin') if stylers and poseurs throwin' ya static cuz your a 'little bit' rigid and stuffy....or uptight(allegedly) , don't worry about following a mold to be hip😢...tell 'em to "STEP OFF!,". cuz it's...........wait for it.....................,..................,............................. ."HIP TO BE SQUARE"😊

[@whiskeygallows1764]

Million Different Chords

[@SugarpillProd]

😂

[@diydylana3151]

Million drones of copycats (Because all real punk bands sound the exact same)

[@sevenlayers7L]

A+ for the Propagandhi cameo .

[@search895]

Punk is, apparently, what people who used to play or listen to punk 10 years ago minimum will say, or what kids that just have started ro listen or play it today say. And above everything, if anyone has something bad to say about what you do, is not punk, because it's all about compliance.

[@therealpringlesman3386]

Punk is about the culture

[@mike_tkgchs]

1:51 too much melody. are we on TRL or something?

[@skullkid112]

Yes bro 100%

[@gooseluck3269]

Don’t know who you’re arguing with in this video, only a single band mentioned in one of those comments you showed was even related to crust punk, that one band being disclose. The rest are hardcore punk and grind, which were all absolutely amazing for their respective time periods. Seriously, listen to the Stalin, the Comes, and GISM, it’s not just noise, these people were absolute artists that put an incredible amount of work into their craft. The only reason why anyone’s mad is because you labeled the video in question “what you can learn from japanese punk rock”, in which you didn’t even mention a single band that didn’t fit the very specific sound you understood and were familiar with. If you don’t cover topics with the respect and due diligence they deserve, people who truly care will get mad

[@SugarpillProd]

Once again, this video wasn't made in response to that video alone. I get this all the time, regardless of what I'm talking about. If the video has the word 'punk' in it, you can bet some boomer who only likes crust punk is gonna show up and tell me how it's the only 'real' punk out there. I don't care, these people are delusional, and it's incredibly easy to poke holes in their lack of understanding of a genre they claim to love. The fact that you think this video is somehow completely in response to 3 comments I showed at the start really says it all.

[@gooseluck3269]

@ There are very few older people who like crust punk, and an even fewer fraction of those people would care to leave a comment on a KZbin video. Genuinely, the people who would be mad at someone for calling the beavers punk are not people who have expansive knowledge on crust punk, you’re grouping lots of different people together because they’re all broadly upset at you for something. Anyone who cares about what’s “truly punk” listens to the exploited and other bands on the B tier of the iceberg that is punk music

[@SugarpillProd]

@@gooseluck3269 I think I've had a single interaction with someone my age who has argued this, so although anecdotal, at least in my experience, it's been Gen X/Boomers all the way through. "Anyone who cares about what’s 'truly punk' listens to The Exploited." This line, though, tells me all I need to know about you. No one needs to care about any single band to be 'truly punk'. Policing punk is the saddest thing you can do, and it's always the crust punk-types with the superiority complex. They think their style is somehow the most important, lacking any self-awareness to see they're just the black metal equivalent of punk fans, from their goofy uniforms to how seriously they take themselves. Lighten up - it's music. You're not the arbiter of what is and isn't punk, and this moral superiority you cling to will only push more people away from enjoying the subgenres you care so much about.

[@gooseluck3269]

@@SugarpillProd Might want to reread that, I don’t think you understood what I meant, I’m saying that the types of people who care about 13 year old level concepts like “wuts real punk” are the types of people who listen to the casualties and the exploited, not deviated instinct and zyanose.

[@SugarpillProd]

And yet you're doing the exact same thing as them, but with a different subgenre? Go figure.

[@HanyalahSeorangKodir]

Since I subscribed you to study producing punk music, yes I can find the reason why those people complaining about "lack of REAL punk". Maybe you could make a comparision between how REAL punk (the old punk) and your deemed "pop punk" were produced? But hey, you do you, man. That is still the punk-est thing you did! Keep it up and thanks 🙌

[@SugarpillProd]

I think I generally discuss a healthy mix of both. More recently, the last video I made specifically covering pop punk was about three months ago. Maybe it’s just a matter of perception, or perhaps you only watch on a semi-regular basis (no shade if you do - these videos aren’t anything special, haha). Ultimately, though, most of it just comes down to the advancement of technology, which applies to almost any genre of music. But making that comparison would only reinforce the false perception that anything old is inherently more 'punk' than anything new, so it’s not an angle I feel is worth approaching personally.

[@stevencavin]

Would "crust punk" include trashcan lids for cymbals? 🤘😆

[@Braddicusfinch]

Sorry, too much talent, didn't smell enough 0/10 not real punk

[@SugarpillProd]

I'll get crustier, I swear!

[@jarlbalgruuf2162]

what song is that at 0:30? those drums are insane!

[@SugarpillProd]

Classic You by Cigar. Awesome band if you haven't heard of them before! Their latest album was great, and Speed Is Relative is, I guess, an underrated classic in the skate punk scene - if such a thing exists, haha.

[@jarlbalgruuf2162]

@@SugarpillProd much appreciated man. i never got the stereotype of punk being basic when musicians like Karl Alvarez for example exist

[@SugarpillProd]

@@jarlbalgruuf2162 It's such a weird take, honestly. I could understand it coming from people who have no interest in the genre, but when it comes from those who seem like they'd call themselves fans, it's like looking up and denying the sky is blue.

[@jarlbalgruuf2162]

@@SugarpillProd forgive us for not wanting recycled chord progressions music that sounds like it was recorded on a 3ds 🤷‍♂

[@erichobbs4042]

The example "real punk" song kinda reminds me of Napalm Death in a way. Short. Noisy. To the point. 😊

[@badmotorfox1097]

FINALLY someone said it. This is why Glen Matlock, and not Sid Vicious, recorded the bass parts for Never Mind The Bollocks, even though he'd already left the band; because Sid was famously better than Glen and they needed to keep it punk rock, or it would have sucked. Glen's not knowing how to bass at all was integral to the Pistols' sound.

[@SugarpillProd]

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding or getting lost in layers of irony here, but I think it was actually Steve who played bass on most of the record. As far as I recall, 'Anarchy in the UK' was Glen's only recording contribution, as he left early in the recording process - though he is credited as a songwriter on most of the album. But 100%, he's a super talented player, much more so than Sid, who's just all image - and really the perfect personification of all the 'real' punks out there, haha.

[@badmotorfox1097]

@@SugarpillProd it was my idea of a joke, yes :P

[@SugarpillProd]

@@badmotorfox1097 Ah, my bad 🤣

[@LastCall4Lunch]

Subbed cause the credit song from Orgazmo.

[@ianetheridge6274]

This is just my honest opinion, but I really think that when people say that it doesn’t take “talent” to play punk rock, they are comparing the entire genre to a select few bands who had limited ability and never really changed their style. The Ramones again are an example of one of these bands who largely stuck to their own style and never gained much skill in much more advanced fields of playing. But that doesn’t mean punk rock as a whole has to be defined by that one sound. The Ramones came first and are credited as the pioneers of punk rock, and new generations of bands brought new things to the table. That’s why over that past fifty years punk rock has existed, it has diversified into so many different sub genres and the same thing goes for other styles of music that are not punk. Punk guitar doesn’t have to be three chords only and no solos. Punk bass doesn’t have to just be root notes and punk drums don’t have to just be four on the floor played at breakneck tempo. And I personally think it’s very refreshing to see these new generations of bands bringing new styles and ideas to the table and taking punk rock into new places! Keep making awesome content and awesome music mate! Cheers!

[@SugarpillProd]

Totally agree! And even if you use Ramones as an example, they were still very talented at what they did, even if on the surface it doesn't seem so obvious. They were a very tight rhythm section, especially for the speeds at which they used to play. It's not like they're all over the place in terms of timings or hitting bum notes every other bar, contrary to what all the 'real' punks would have you believe.

[@Typical.Anomaly]

Damn, did I do that? Sorry if I was a d!ck. I like some pop-punk, too. The raw, DIY sounds from the late 70s into the early 80s were unprecedented at the time, and as technology advanced, it seemed to almost disappear. A lack of expensive equipment can bring out some great creativity.

[@SugarpillProd]

I don't recognise your name tbh, so I couldn't say. But my point is that I don't talk about one single subgenre, however people will falsely call any band they don't like 'pop punk', just because? If you're somehow implying that everything is now pop punk just because technology sounds better, that makes zero sense to me. Like London Calling sounds amazing to this day, and is from '79, just as Glow On also sounds awesome. Doesn't mean either of those bands make pop punk, just because things have been well-recorded, right? Edit - Oh wait, you're the guy who said 'you can't be punk if you have talent'. Then yes, this video was partly inspired by you 😂

[@crazydiamond3403]

Whats the band where the dude played that sick solo while singin

[@SugarpillProd]

Propagandhi. And the song is called 'Back To The Motor League'.

[@crazydiamond3403]

@SugarpillProd i aspire to be like them, my rock music journey started with punk rock and I got balls deep into blues rock 😆 . Safe to know that punk rock has a lot of bluesy solos

[@KenobiLJN]

Punk busters!

[@SugarpillProd]

Only boomer punks deal in absolutes.

[@nncntblzzrd2427]

​@@SugarpillProd wow, you triggered 😂

[@SugarpillProd]

@@nncntblzzrd2427 You mean how you react when I called you a boomer? Yes, you did seem very triggered by it. So much so that you had to comment here as well I guess.

[@nncntblzzrd2427]

@SugarpillProd hell jeah dude 🤣🤣 i made a gatekeepy joke about gatekeeping witch triggert you to do a whole video, but i am whos triggert This is a love Letter to me and yes, i wanna be your boyfriend

[@SugarpillProd]

@@nncntblzzrd2427 Bro what, I made this video a week before you even commented. Are you actually that dense? 💀

[@siscoirienesta9570]

Make sense 😁

[@SugarpillProd]

🤯

[@diydylana3151]

Your real punk song sounds like a solo from black flag lmao

[@SugarpillProd]

I must've been channeling a bit of Greg Ginn on that one, lol.

[@mustymannaro58]

Sometimes the conclusion Ive drawn from people who say stuff like “your videos aren’t explaining real punk” are just posers. They are obsessed with the image and idea of it, then dont consider anything deeper than that. Then they will project the fact that they are posers onto others claiming they arent real punks.

[@SugarpillProd]

Yup, I totally agree. It’s almost always from blank accounts that clearly haven’t tried contributing anything themselves, presumably out of fear of being judged. So, they cope by commenting empty platitudes like 'real punks just turn up, plug in, and play,' as though that has any relevance to videos on production or recording whatsoever.

[@mustymannaro58]

@ thats exactly right. You do a great job of explaining everything and breaking it down into concepts people can understand. Your videos have definitely helped me write better riffs, and Im sure its helped a lot of others. You’re awesome dude.

[@SugarpillProd]

Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the kind words. It makes it all worthwhile to know they've helped in some small way 🙌

[@mustymannaro58]

@ of course man!

[@Eric-r6r]

This video is obviously meant as a rib

[@Hickorybee]

If this video was real punk....it would be shorter than 2 minutes 😬🙈

[@SugarpillProd]

Damn, you got me 😅

[@caseycx]

xd this is great

[@DigitalCollision]

I think your "real punk" song, at 1:50 is actually a Nirvana cover ... so, "grunge" is "real punk?" 🤔 I think I got it!👍(keep up the great vids)

[@doofs]

even though this video is all about dissembling punk labels and gatekeeping, a really pety video like this is punk as fuck and i think thats brilliantly ironic lmfao

[@BiggysMusic]

No safety pins. 0/10

[@SugarpillProd]

You're right 😔

[@bobocop69420]

Punks who gatekeep the genre are 90% of the time the biggest posers.

[@SugarpillProd]

Without a doubt.

[@75YBA]

MC5, Stooges…period. Welcome to Detroit.

[@SugarpillProd]

I dunno about you, but I tend to enjoy listening to more than two bands 😂

[@dylanenriguehuntington2908]

Nice vid man. This has been an issue for eveeeer. I've been reading American Hardcore (a book that's a compilation of loads and loads of hardcore bands getting interviewed) and tons of bands had that problem of wanting to branch out into other sounds but the public just wanting more of the same. Honestly I do think there's a line somewhere, cuz certain major sounds, certain progressions just sound too obviously pop and certain chords sound too bright to have that hard punk edge to me, but I guess the line is in different places for different people. I do think your point about how punk should not be about policing sound is good, buuut a lot of 80s american bands hated the late 70s punks, finding them gauche and too over the top. Another example is straight edge: it's literally punks "policing" other punks about their abuses. I guess if you're being a keyboard warrior you should stfu and let people do whatever, but if you put that anger of someone else not "punking correctly" into a new punk subgenre that's just a better use of your energy. Have a good one bud, see ya when another vid of yours pops up in my recommended.

[@SugarpillProd]

Thanks! And yes, my point isn’t that policing punk doesn’t happen, just that it’s a pointless thing to do. It’s dumb when it’s coming from some ‘real’ punk on a Reddit thread, and it’s equally dumb when it’s coming out of the mouth of someone like John Lydon. I’ve no problem with anyone preferring one style over another - like you said, you prefer the aggressive kind. Personally, I’m more into the ‘artsy’ stuff - to each their own. What I do find tiresome, however, is when someone claims that only one style is ‘punk’ and anything that doesn’t sound like it isn’t. Punk’s never been a singular sound, even from its inception. If you only want to listen to one style, or you dropped off in a certain decade, then cool - but that doesn’t represent everyone. It’s mad how much I’ve seen recently of people saying things like ‘the genre is dead’, when what they really mean is “I stopped paying attention after the ’80s,” haha.

[@dylanenriguehuntington2908]

@@SugarpillProd Well put.

[@trashmanzero7827]

All jokes aside, the Clash is not Crust punk

[@SugarpillProd]

Yeah, no shit 😂

[@fortnitecar6010]

nah bro the clash are jazz punk

[@TakenUsernameAuradium]

i think the guitars was too melodic for punk

[@SugarpillProd]

True! I almost, by accident, played the slightest hint of a melody for about 0.5 seconds.

[@54macdog]

Hilarious!

[@Whitehorse_crimefighter]

Crust punk is metal

[@SugarpillProd]

That's the thing I've always found so weird, is that the 'real' punks argue so hard for the only subgenres that have more in common with metal than they do punk 🤣

[@Heisenbinks]

That's because metal and punk have a lot of crossover, you'll find a lot of people into hardcore and heavier styles of punk are into metal too, it's the love of fast extreme music it's why grindcore and power violence exist

[@SugarpillProd]

@@Heisenbinks Yes, I know there's crossover. It just seems a bit laughable for someone to claim a subgenre that's heavily influenced by metal, as being the only 'real' punk sound, don't you think? Especially given the history of punks and metalheads.

[@Heisenbinks]

@@SugarpillProd I can't speak for whoever said that but in my opinion it seems in the 80s both punk and metal were pushing each other too be more extreme noisy ect and I think especially during that time both genres are/were closer related and were evolving from each other in a musical sense! Seems like these days there's more separation between punk and metal, I personally feel like any 'real' sound is just you being your authentic self and that's coming from a guy more into making the raw stuff x

[@SugarpillProd]

Sure, but that logic only works if you’re looking at punk - and metal, for that matter - in a vacuum. Neither genre has ever had a single, defining sound, regardless of era. Sure, you can point to times when one subgenre was more dominant in the mainstream - or underground - than others, but you can’t make blanket statements like “’80s punk was more extreme” without omitting all the bands that don’t fit that mould. For instance, while hardcore was undeniably huge in the ’80s, so was the post-punk movement in England, or the start of emo in the states. Bands like The Cure, Joy Division, and Gang of Four have as much of a place in punk history as Black Flag or Bad Brains do. Yet, one subgenre pushed in a more artsy, experimental direction, while the other leaned into rawness and aggression. It’s totally fine to have your preferred flavour of punk, but denying the diversity of its history to claim one form as the only “valid” one ignores the bigger picture.

[@Environmental-Time]

real punk is anarcho punk, d beat, hardcore punk, crust punk, grindcore, goregrind, mincecore, and powerviolence

[@SugarpillProd]

They actually did tests, analysing all the data and it turns out real punk is only ska punk. The data doesn't lie, so unfortunately you'd be wrong in this case 😅

[@Environmental-Time]

@@SugarpillProd what? wtf is even is ska punk?

[@SugarpillProd]

@@Environmental-Time That's real punk mate. It's only punk if you can skank.

[@ducktape7178]

To be fair rancids drummer does kinda suck even for a punk drummer like there are some pretty noticeable fuck ups on the second album by them for sure 0:42

[@ducktape7178]

But I do agree with the rest of the video it’s a very good use of satire in critique of the community especially the people that can’t get their own head out of their ass to get anything done

[@SugarpillProd]

My dude, I was obviously referring to Matt in that clip 🤣

[@deivis_101]

For me it is so weird how "real" punks tell what you need to do or what is actual punk and other gatekeeping/elitist expressions, when punk was against all of that, but ended up being just another exclusive club for people who want to feel more special than outsiders. And yes, Matt Freeman is the worst musician in punk. I would love to see him try to play your real punk song, he couldn't.

[@SugarpillProd]

For real. Cognitive dissonance at it's finest.

[@BeersAndBeatsPDX]

You almost had it. Of you were a real punk you'd still be complaining about Reagan ..... for some reason

[@SugarpillProd]

Nah, Reagan slaps! Conservative is the new punk rock and all that... 😂

[@Hexus13th]

Im too punk to leave a comment. Im not part of your system, man.

[@Joshualemay1]

Idk about "real punk" but I've heard that "Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE

[@nimz7309]

"Punk is all about nonconformity, thinking for yourself and freedom!" 5 minutes later: "Punk is allowed to have only one specific sound, with only three chords maximum, punk songs can only last for a maximum of 2 minutes and punk musicians must look a certain way (the more unwashed the better) and possess only a limited amount of talent as demonstrated by the band I like. Only these specific record labels are allowed and everything has to be DIY, no professional help is allowed. These are our rules and you must obey if you want to be called Real Punk." Image search "get a load of this conformist cartoon"

[@SugarpillProd]

Couldn't have put it better myself 😂

[@shortfuzedotcom]

haha!!....zing!...funny how old this gatekeeping elitist troupe is....haha...it'll live forever.

[@hadji087]

GG Allin is real punk.

[@SugarpillProd]

Our edge lord and saviour 🙏

[@felixg.4908]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nncntblzzrd2427]

😂

[@sundaybrunch7097]

Lol.

[@rafadardzinski7461]

Ah yes, the evergreen discussion on what the "real punk" is. Been there, done that - it's something you grow out of. You also grow out of taking the lyrics of punk bands seriously :)

[@SugarpillProd]

You mean to tell me Danzig wasn't really killing babies?! 😲

[@rafadardzinski7461]

@SugarpillProd dumno about Danzig (he's undead after all), but there are people who think that there are answers in Bad Religion lyrics :)

[@whatwedointheshadows3349]

@@rafadardzinski7461 there's a healthy chance the modern anarchist movement either wouldn't exist or would be much smaller without crass. there are definitely punk bands where lyrics are important. i mean, seriously, i've never heard a more intense statement of yearning than alternative ulster.

[@purpsmalurps]

I find it hilarious that people think pop punk isn't punk rock when every single "Pop Punk" song is inherently also a "Punk Rock" song, making it inherently a "Punk" song.

[@SugarpillProd]

I do love their line that almost no band is 'real' punk, yet almost every single band is somehow pop punk. I've literally had people tell me Bad Religion are pop punk. I guess that's what happens when you dare to write a melody for your song.

[@purpsmalurps]

​@@SugarpillProd lmfaooo so true, the amount of mistagging of melodic hardcore as pop punk is unbelievable to me, and you are so right because, keyword: MELODIC seems to be why

[@hclyrics]

Punks whining about the natural evolution of music like they're some kind of genre conservatives has always made me chuckle. Great video.

[@darwinbeagle9394]

LOL. But truthfully the early "real" punk was infested with bands who were terrible. Hence the massive shortage of really great punk bands who are remmebered now. And the reason bands who were clearly NOT punk, like the Jam or Blondie were pushed into that space. The punk phenomenon was very short-lived and the emergence of american middle class teen "punks" 20 years later produced some great music, but wasn't real punk to be fair. Complaining about life while you are the wealthiest, healthiest and safest on the planet doesn't really work...despite the great tunes....it's not punk. Putting piercings in your face, having funny hair and tattoos doesn't make you punk! Sorry!

[@SugarpillProd]

It's just survivorship bias really.

[@Eric-r6r]

Lol

[@fortnitecar6010]

Yeab funny how the punk rock ideology makes 0 sense and nothing is really punk if you follow it. Funny how if it isnt distorted power chords and yelling its post punk. If you break the rules you are not even a punk

[@mikathegaything]

it's not that, it's that you made all your videos sound like pop-punk, totally avoiding other sound in the genre

[@SugarpillProd]

I literally haven't made a video on pop punk specifically in about 3 months, so what are you talking about? Are Dead Kennedy's pop punk to you? The Clash, Mass Of The Fermenting Dregs, Eastern Youth, Rancid, Turnover - all pop punk, I guess?

[@mikathegaything]

@SugarpillProd they absolutely aren't pop-pjnk, but you definitely aren't making videos about modern hardcore, crust punk, crossover, Street punk, powerviolence, grindcore and anything else that's also punk. it would be very nice if you did

[@SugarpillProd]

Hmmm, I wonder, and this is just a theory mind you, is that maybe I'm actively put off talking about those subgenres because the only people who ever cite them are angry boomers telling me what 'real' punk is... 🤔

[@mikathegaything]

@SugarpillProd these are annoying you are right, but i hope you still end up making a video about these one day

[@fernandoy.narciso]

The real Magic is making the complex sound simple. I mean, no one would ever call, for example, Steve Jones "crude" or "untalented". The stuff that kid could learn in the span of two years still boggles my mind. I've Heard that Johnny could actually play some pretty elaborated stuff when he was by himself, but preferred not showing that to anyone to keep the band's image.