I Hate NPC Music

NPC music is for smooth brained losers without good music taste...or is it?
The Worst Music Genre Ever.
What is NPC music?
What makes a song NPC music?
How Oliver Tree became NPC music.
What is npc music?
How oliver treee became npc music

[@davidfirth]

How can you call someone a musical genius and then describe their music as manufactured, soulless pop? Genius is about creating the unexpected, not doing something to an acceptable standard on a repeated basis.

[@ayan8136]

What the hell David firth what are you doing here.

[@chrisramirez9197]

DAVID FIRTH??!

[@__julia___749]

thanks for giving me nightmares as a kid

[@davidfirth]

@@ayan8136 praise the KZbin algorithm

[@MyNamesNotLars1]

Salad Fingers was the musical genius equivalent of OG NG.

[@jeffystevens]

I hate how calling someone an npc is now something that mostly npcs do

[@cheesecat7372]

shut up

[@Lukasp2277]

So ur saying ur an npc...

[@ictogon]

No one is an npc.

[@Dankmemeslover69]

@@ictogoneveryone is. We’re just waiting for PC to make their move.

[@broon1413]

@@Dankmemeslover69 And when everyone is a NPC **evil laugh** no one will be

[@daki59e234]

its crazy how now were in the age when we can use literally any sound on this planet to make music, and yet every song now feels the same

[@Gonzas97]

Thats mainstream music my friend. And we are not the ones making it famous.

[@tokitoons1926]

Because people are scared of doing something new because new things are often turned down, but when no one does anything new, everyone waits for something new It makes no sense but thats how it is

[@noahshighlightreel]

Listen to better music, then. There’s plenty of new great stuff out there.

[@cobalius]

dude there're always genres like onkyo out there

[@nekefirwonderful]

Try "Король и Шут" then

[@stoney787]

I'm not an NPC, I'm a real music fan. Currently I am listening to the Portal 2 sound track through a Motorola Razor in a flooded subway station.

[@valvefan]

Then you truly regret nothing.

[@Snerklefjord201]

@@valvefan Guess someone signed his petition

[@MrAsh1100]

He's somehow staying alive for some reason....

[@grandmasteryoda6717]

Based

[@EmptyMusician]

PORTAL 2 FAN YES!!1 FINALLY!! ANOTHER ONE I FOUND ON INTERNET AFTER 1, 2, uhh.h... 4 YEARS!1!

[@sp00kyduki12]

I feel like kpop is the perfect example of NPC music, too perfect and shiny to be manufactured at a big scale

[@DonSucksTho98]

"they use deodorant to hide their truth"

[@apestogetherstrong341]

better name “ps-pop”: plastic/synthetic pop

[@user-tb1to1ib4w]

npc music is music listened by normies that are all the same and kpop stans are mostly "weird kids"

[@JazzSicaa]

Exactly, Kpop feels so commercial and souless to me idk. It's indeed the perfect example of "NPC music". Also, we don't talk about kpop stans....

[@WindowsDrawer]

I love you i love you, you so cute like a butterfly You so perfect and smile and let's go! Together we are perfect super There, i made the new kpop hit

[@NocNoc....]

I pray to god ai music is never a big thing… we can NOT let it go that far

[@frederiksrensen6116]

@simplybrisk Yeah but ai music still sounds pretty boring tho

[@Maziedivision]

It’s arguably just the next step in music’s evolution. Already, thanks to TikTok, you’ve had a reduction of a song’s duration (they’re all under 2minutes) and virality has obfuscated them need for an organic fanbase, so every current singer/rapper is disposable after 2 years. I think at this rate, AI can easily replace human-made music. Music is generally becoming more and more soulless, more of a permutation from decades past, and it’s already algorithmic more than artistic so yah.

[@geoDB.]

It will be

[@bilethumper1912]

dang npc music made by soulless human singer/ team will be replaced by soulless ai what a tragedy

[@connor_is_k]

It is now

[@hecc7906]

How terminally online ya'll gotta be to even hear about "NPC music"

[@brenetssss]

bro you can hear that on a random 20 second video

[@brenetssss]

btw you're on this video so you heard about it, you terminally online psycho

[@arthurfontes7326]

bro u gotta try dubstep

[@Fawnidentity]

I know it's a joke, bur calling people NPCs is so dehumanizing. It's one insult I wouldn't want to see being normalized. Y'all, be interested in other people and get to know the people you'd normally call NPCs, everyone has a story and probably some side to them that would be unexpected.

[@Binzob]

Yeah I don't like npc becoming more popular either. Completely ruined its effectiveness as an insult.

[@Ardefisty]

It's been several years, and I still have NEVER heard a Marshmello song in my life, yet his name appears everywhere in the internet. I'm starting to think this is a running gag of a fictitious name.

[@viquitowers2815]

I'm pretty sure you've heard that annoying "fwaaiendies, that's how you [swear word] spell fwends" song lmao

[@jdnart]

I love Marshmellos music but I do like daft punk more

[@catholok]

i used to listen to him sm as a kid before he blew up (he was still popular but no where near as much) now he just seems to make shit music where hes just in the background. its kinda sad tbh

[@aleagamer]

The last time i listened a marshmello song was like 2016

[@teobog]

yea man if you havent heard of someone it means they dont exist for sure

[@Green_MnM_Commander_of_Antifa]

90% of music of all genres is just "we broke up. Im happy Im sad'

[@No.U]

Not death metal... if you don't know what death metal lyrics are like, look them up... or just read the names of the songs..

[@zsideswapper6718]

Except when it's just instrumental most of the time.

[@Ghs6]

*most* Breakcore: hold my 57 amen breaks

[@anomalousanimates]

wait you're saying most of dubstep is that?

[@marbulOfficial]

*laughs in uptempo hardcore*

[@TwinelyWix]

popular = bad unpopular = good

[@nulia0715]

"=" ≠ opinion

[@perrytheplatapus1523]

U didnt cook w that one that comment is still simmering

[@perrytheplatapus1523]

U didnt cook w that one that comment is still simmering

[@perrytheplatapus1523]

U didnt cook w that one that comment is still simmering

[@perrytheplatapus1523]

U didnt cook w that one that comment is still simmering

[@user-jj7co1os8k]

an npc says that he hates nps music in his video with npc music on a background

[@sssveden]

he never said he hates npc music

[@user-jj7co1os8k]

@@sssveden title of the video?

[@maravreloaded]

Everyone is an NPC dude. NPC is a stupid way to call anything you dislike. It has no definition because it's just based on "vibes".

[@_MECHA_]

​@@maravreloaded...

[@runyourpocketz]

it’s royalty free music. how distracting would it be to play music he actually enjoys with lyrics

[@NarendraU23]

"Too polished, too organized. They sound manufactured" true. If you take a look at how Charlie Puth produces his music, you'd see exactly that. He loves to painstakingly record each note to perfection. I respect his grind, but I prefer more human imperfection. I always get excited when there's a slight difference in singing between repeating verse, or when the timing and pitch are not quantized 100%.

[@platonicriot]

Being a perfectionist and wanting to make it sound like corporate slop are too very different things

[@auliamate]

“Light Switch” sounds so “did I just make the song of the summer 🤪🤪😜”. Literally got that catchy ear worm beat, the light switch flick hook, the simple to understand but not too explicit lyrics, the minimalistic soundscape and beat. Like the only Charlie Puth album that was genuinely pretty good was Voicenotes

[@v.0190]

Well... What about classic writers? Some of them sound more then perfect, hitting almost any feeling and generally being theoretical musical perfection.

[@romasissues]

This is such a good comment!! I relate so much

[@lmahu6627]

​@@v.0190 It depends on the musicians playing. The notes are written down with instructions on tempo, dynamics, and feel, but it's still up to the performers to interpret them. This is why different recordings of the same piece will not sound the same.

[@gooberanytime2526]

"well you see..i'm not an NPC..i'm far better....because i listen to such obscure artists as neutral milk hotel and car seat headrest"

[@changedmyname5228]

If you only listen to pop you’re a bot and you don’t exist that’s just the truth

[@slazerat]

pfft... das nothin,, I listen to the music tapes and 1 trait danger (〜￣▽￣)〜

[@fartexplosion4480]

I listen to 👑¥^^🛵°=🛅==✅÷÷÷ππ🛗🛗¥§∆

[@alegria1813]

This is so fucking funny lmaoooo. I love obscure artists and popular ones as well. Listening to unknown artists doesn't make you a better or more interesting person

[@jasu1700]

its even more funny that these people in efforts to preserve their cool obscure image have become a stereotype that people make fun of lel

[@nje.27]

there is no “NPC music”. just listen to the music you like and let others do the same lol

[@hardcorenicotineaddict5517]

Ok NPC

[@13physc]

❤❤❤

[@ToxicGossipTrain207]

finally the one with brain

[@takfriel7811]

Bro discovering chord progressions

[@deityoffilth]

Zombie chords

[@mishynaofficial]

"How dare they make music that sounds good!"

[@deityoffilth]

@mishynaofficial sure its objectively good music, but it's music that was made for money and not for the music. Re using the same formula as if it were a math problem to solve and get the lowest number on a billboard or whatever. It lacks soul and shouldn't be respected as music.

[@mishynaofficial]

@@deityoffilth dude these progressions existed for the entire history of humanity chill

[@desu38]

While I think the whole "NPC" thing is basically an admission of main character syndrome, I do 200% agree that there's an overabundance of what is basically glorified stock music.

[@appletree13]

"The whole "NPC" thing is basically an admission of main character syndrome" That's a VERY good point.

[@arandompasserby7940]

Your point has validity, but to make a counterargument, once upon a time I used to take my ex-gf's xanax from time to time, and that is absolutely, unequivocally, an NPC drug. It's like whatever it is that makes you "You" is dead and your body is wandering around in the world doing God knows what. And then you eventually wake up the next morning with essentially zero recollection of anything that happened the previous night. Again, not saying you're wrong, but there's definitely NPCs out and about out there ....... and I know because I was one of them. Moral of the story: Don't take Xanax.

[@DarthSidian]

@@arandompasserby7940 Okay, fair enough.

[@Saxjon]

"Stock music" is such a better name!

[@Pyovali]

It's admission there's people with soul and people who have none

[@jamiewah]

im glad you distinguish npc music from pop music, i love a lot of pure pop musicians and a lot of their stuff can feel very middle of the road and generic on the surface, but its not trying to be anything else. like npc music is trying to be deep, but legitimately good pop music knows that its not deep and it doesnt need to be in order to be fun and enjoyable

[@_Jose77]

yeah i think alot of people consider pop to be npc music just due to how it sounds i guess. I can attest to the fact that to me most pop songs sound the same. Not that i think it's npc music just that it all sounds the same to me imo.

[@auliamate]

Definitely agree with you! As someone who has pop dominate his Spotify Wrapped year after year, alongside growing up with it, I’ve kinda been adapted to finding differences, but even I can tell when a song is clearly make for popularity, not for fun or desire to create. The best kind of pop is pop that knows what it is, and doesn’t take itself too seriously, and pop that takes itself seriously but is genuinely deep. Dua Lipa isn’t NPC music because Dua Lipa knows that her songs are not The Weeknd levels of introspective that need 2 hour breakdown videos to cover, they’re catchy fun disco pop songs to dance too. Ariana Grande knows her pop-R&B era music isn’t going to be making you cry, and she doesn’t want or need her music to do so. They know what they’re doing, they know who wants to listen to it, they don’t care about faux deepness because that is not their goal. The Weeknd’s pop-synth-R&B music (no clue how to quantify his music) is very serious and very sad and very deep and therefore doesn’t pretend to be deep with glaringly obvious lyrics and manufactured melodies, because it is simply deep.

[@thomsoap]

this is why his inclusion of dua lipa as npc music rubbed me the wrong way

[@xdranzer0004]

The thing is that it’s entirely subjective. As a rapper turned classically trained musician, I am tired of receiving constant comments about me playing « real music » nowadays. Yes, there is of course an industry that aims at a certain audience through certain types of songs. However, that’s pretty much everyone in the recording industry that are trying to make a living 🤦. « NPC music » makes no god damn sense. Some of you don’t even know how to explain why one music is « NPC » and the other not.

[@_Jose77]

@@xdranzer0004 the fact that some people consider rap not real music is so funny. also yeah i think people generally consider music that they find annoying "npc music" or just popular music. Honestly in the end people should be able to enjoy what they want with out being judged

[@absurdsarchive]

"i'm not the npc i know about duster and glitch pop" bahahahah

[@macdonald_duck]

I Hate NPC Video Essays

[@dhillaz]

I think we are all NPCs in specific areas. For instance I am fine with cookie cutter interior design - I want a nice home, but honesly I'm happy with something generic that looks good out the box, no creativity or cultural significance needed. Similarly I know people who listen to the most generic music and seem to enjoy it, but have amazing passion and talent in other disciplines.

[@virgofera6669]

you just blew my mind

[@K-kj5sv]

This, coming from someone with zero understanding of what NPC means

[@BlakeGeometrio]

​@@K-kj5svIt just means Non-playable character, like the AI person in a video game.

[@K-kj5sv]

@BlakeGeometrio That's were NPC originated from. It has more than one meaning, the definition I gave in other comment strings, and the definition you gave. Both are equally true. People who try to argue against this are living up to their NPC programming.

[@bito782]

Nah not me, you acknowledging you're an NPC 100% means you're NGMI tho...good luck lol

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

So people finally realized generic music exist?

[@CathrineMacNiel]

only the tiktok and main character crowd it seems.

[@thunzur]

tiktok logic, calling generic music npc music

[@lazy-oni]

Back in my day, we called it "mainstream".

[@lay-2356]

God forbid I'd enjoy some catchy music, I can be pretty snob about fotm things but not to an extreme level where I mock people who enjoy it

[@taffsmith5452]

no, people are realizing the state of the culture is heading in a direction where there will be more and more generic music. do you think thom yorke would be on tiktok saying "did i just make the song of the summer?" no. having your music blow up be tied to the requirement that you must be able to live on tiktok and consistently create a whole nother form of content is fucking up the music we hear on a regular basis

[@xXMapleVodkaXx]

"Look, I'm a huge fan of Oliver Tree" It's you. You're the NPC dude.

[@_MECHA_]

How

[@Toru53]

terminally online man discovers radio friendly corporate pop music

[@mishynaofficial]

🤭🤭🤭🤣

[@bartlebyb9048]

It's like a Netflix movie. On paper, everything is there, but when you watch it something just doesn't feel right.

[@Mysteri0usChannel]

It's the Uncanny Valley of music

[@jeremyusreevu237]

NPC Music is basically code for "I don't personally like this music, therefore it's bad."

[@CaptConnoissuer]

By that definition, good music doesn’t actually exist bc not everyone thinks every song is good.

[@crnkmnky]

"I don't _know_ anybody who likes this music, therefore only NPCs enjoy it, therefore its popularity is a conspiracy." Sounds like modern politics.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

@@crnkmnky Yup.

[@andyralph4666]

@crnkmnky Or pretty much everyone likes it but you so therefore it is npc music

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

@@CaptConnoissuersome people don’t think any songs are good. There are people in the world who don’t feel any kind of emotion when listening to any kind of music and are just emotionless logically minded Spock-like beings.

[@Seoyeon972]

When listening to certain music genres makes you less of a person 💀

[@light3272]

literally omg

[@kr3mlsche]

nah, it's not even about genres. It's about music that's generic

[@EduardoVinicius-sq1sk]

Bro thinks he is Different 💀

[@sssveden]

he doesn't did you even watch the video? He made a clickbait title to make people like you mad

[@EduardoVinicius-sq1sk]

@@sssveden you think I'm mad ? Lol And I watched the whole video And I don't understand what you're talking about clickbait

[@jurassicthunder]

​@@EduardoVinicius-sq1sku sound mad.

[@margaritasauce4235]

@@jurassicthunder because he is, otherwise he wouldn't have commented :/

[@arthurfontes7326]

bro u gotta try dubstep

[@sphinx2077]

It's ironic cuz the people who listen to npc music are the type of people to make fun of others and call them NPCs 💀

[@Asher__65]

Exactly.

[@paloim]

"People who call others npcs are the real npcs" -🤖

[@Asher__65]

he didn't say that, he said npcs call other people npc, not what you're saying@@paloim

[@paloim]

@@Asher__65 thats..the same overall meaning "Npcs call people npcs" "The real npcs are the ones who call people npcs" They're not very different

[@xdranzer0004]

I agree. I switched from being a rapper to becoming an early music singer and instrumentist (harpsichord and lute). Lots of non musicians (often dudes that listen to metal/rock) have told me how « classy » it is for me to not listen to « overproduced » music and instead now produce « real music ». Let me tell you, among the repertoires that I sing and play, Dowland, Vivaldi, Fauré, &c… there are some very sophisticated and philosophical stuffs out there…. but in the same pieces you also find extremely repetitive clichés about shepherds and basic tonal harmony that modern pop music totally outclasses with their unique flavour. No, I don’t listen to every genre either, but I do think that people using terms like « NPC/industrial music » really should take a step back to think about what they say. Of course, mumble rap, Tyga, Migos, &c… probably need no deep analysis lyrically, but I can assure you that despite the apparently simplistic and braindead aspect of that music, there is a lot of work behind and some of it is more personal than you may think.

[@demogorghon]

I had a workmate who said she don't listen to music. Whenever she was at work she would turn off the radio. I mean... fair. Radio is bad this days. But most of my colleagues usually bring their own headphones or something. She just... didn't like music in general. I would rather understand her be ashamed of listening to trash metal or dubstep or some obscure German yodling... she just... didn't. I'm still confused about it

[@fortnite.burger]

I don't listen to music either.

[@methaChiba]

one of my best friends doesn't listen to music, it's.. strange

[@cloudysky8268]

some people just don’t like music and that’s fine

[@harold6953]

Trash metal or thrash metal? Thrash is amazing while trash is just trash

[@novosibirsk-burgersoup]

Bro thinks its strange to not have 24/7 brain fog from music

[@PyroGaming...]

Bro looks like a goddamn skyrim npc

[@madeleinep.828]

I'm tired of everything just being described as "for NPCs." It's even worse than everything even slightly popular getting called basic. Just let people like what they like and stop trying to act superior to everyone else. Who cares.

[@xXMapleVodkaXx]

No but you don't understand, I am the absolute center of the universe. If you like something that doesn't apply to me, that's harmful. Being sarcastic ofc.

[@laterlater990]

enjoy what you want. people not liking what music you enjoy is their problem lol.

[@h-bitgraphics3858]

My thoughts exactly!

[@Cuestrupaster]

Music is art, art doesn't always need to be profound, full of meaning or even make you feel anything... all art has to do is be a form of expression for someone.

[@MrKasenom]

Careful you're going to get called an npc

[@Cuestrupaster]

@@MrKasenomThe main character is certanly what I'm not...

[@auliamate]

Exactly! A lot of comments are saying “all pop music is trash now, it all sounds the same” and I’m sat here like “have you ever listened to anything else besides Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber, and Maroon 5?” Music does not need to be ducking deep or something, it’s okay to have silly simple “wanna bang?” And “I’m into person Y” songs.

[@melkor97]

i think its not about beung easy to relate, music can have literally no meaning as long as it comes from the heart, i think the issue is that these songs arent really a form of expression since the artists arent really expressing themselves, they are creating product

[@DontBeAJinx]

This comment screams (i throw paint at a canves and call it art)

[@rostalebeda07]

Pop Music nowadays feels like it doesn't want to try new things because "what if people don't like it"

[@jdnart]

AJR?

[@sireffortlessgarbage7922]

Exactly.

[@florrinator4148]

Fun fact: all money from producers doesn't go to making a lot of cd's anymore, its way safer to take a pretty face to sing some generic song and let it play for 30 thimes on: the radio, in every singel commercial and even in movies. Just so you would hear it over and over till you make enough dopamine to be brainwashed into liking the song. Smart dont you think👍

[@jdnart]

@@florrinator4148 yup pretty much but there is some music I just like though

[@florrinator4148]

@@jdnart everyone is free to like all music, and I have no right to judge that.

[@tuna9002]

"I hate NPC music" -Proceeds to describe what an NPC is like an NPC

[@Starlit_Juno]

Literally make npc videos

[@maravreloaded]

NPC is just another derogatory term for what you don't like.

[@adityaxt]

this dude is the most npc looking dude with the most npc sounding voice I've seen in my life

[@theyeeterman7080]

As the only person with good music taste I can say that the obscure band that I listen to is the only real music.

[@fligigigigigig222]

which band is it?

[@speedytrader5180]

AYO THIS MAN BE SPITTIN 🔥🔥🔥

[@NuclearspartanX]

Bro you haven't even heard real music until you've listened to Peeguzzler's Hungarian Toiletcore album 'Literally Just a Microphone Being Flushed Down the Toilet'. The demo version of 'Stinky Surprise' has way more heart and soul than obscure band you like.

[@jesush.christ8261]

@@fligigigigigig222 Demon hunter

[@fligigigigigig222]

I listen to aphex twin

[@nerdersgamingyipee]

Talking about NPCs when you act like one is crazy

[@Cupcake_Royale]

Kinda ironic. It’s it?

[@snowcloudshinobi]

a dude who looks like an oblivion character talking about NPCs. truly meta.

[@sssveden]

did you even watch video or just read the title?

[@snowcloudshinobi]

@@sssveden nope!

[@gabrielsirkis704]

I really hate the soulless corporate music you're talking about but calling another human an NPC is one of the most arrogant, narcisistic thing ever

[@MrMMVPP]

fr

[@seanrrr]

Agreed. The only people who say unironically say NPC are people with main character syndrome. They think they're top shit and are the only one who has broken out of the matrix. Meanwhile they tend to be the dumbest, most generic clout chasers.

[@Logarithmic-Spiral]

That’s true, thx for sharing

[@_ANDRE.]

Yeah no. There are some people who can only be classified as an NPC, or its atleast the closest thing to what they actually are. The majority of humankind is not all that intelligent or self aware. Most will just mindlessly go the same route that millions have done before them: school, job, relationship, children and death, with no real change or uniqueness about it, or without ever truly questioning whether that is the right thing to do. Of course they are still human, and even if you were to compare 2 people pretty much living the exact same life, there are of course still some differences. The system we have is pretty much forcing everyone down the same path, but the ability to question it makes you truly human, even if most can never escape it. But the way most live their life just going down the same mold without ever questioning the world, and never forming their own unique thoughts is as close to NPC as it can get.

[@TheOfficialDjProduct]

@@seanrrr Bad take brother. I think everyone has some level of "main character syndrome". Everyone who is alive right now is experiencing the most intense circumstance that is possible solely for the reason that it is their own. I will never feel exactly the same as you, nor will you feel exactly the same as me. Whatever I just did 5 seconds ago, you can never do that exactly the same, occupying the same space as me, atoms moving in the same way, even people's perception of time differs depending on various factors. For these reasons, everyone is a "main character" and everyone is an "NPC". No one will ever be the main character of another person's life. Really it's more of a paradoxical situation. None can be, but all will always be. With that being said, calling someone a "NPC" unironically is more of a embarrassing sociological attempt at increasing self worth. Calling someone an NPC really does seem derogatory but to some it may not. Believing you are the most important person on the planet is not arrogant or narcissistic, because you're body, you mind, is meant to protect you as a living a being. Your life objectively will always be more important to you as a living creature. Real life isn't like the movies and in most scenarios you will choose yourself over another. Depending on who you are and your own life, there may be a handful of people you would knowingly give it all to protect. I think everybody has a handful. And there are people you don't know but would protect thinking you're not giving anything up. And seldom people are altruistic and will risk something for nothing. I guess my point is, I don't think people who unironically use the term "NPC" to describe other people have "main character syndrome." (which is also not a medical diagnosis but rather a term like "NPC" that has risen in popularity on the internet recently.) That is where I disagree with you, as if everyone has "main character syndrome", then nobody has it, we are all just who we are. I do agree though that those who do use that particular term are stupid and are/or using it with intention for social or monetary gain.

[@stueyphone]

A song made by someone who never touched an instrument in their life will have more originality and authenticity than any mass produced song made to maximise plays

[@nickelisblind]

Because those are people who don't know shi so they just express themselves. When you learn something, you generally tend to follow a pattern. This is why, imo, relearning stuff from scratch and from a different perspective is radical.

[@danielmsmbl2]

While this may be true, it definitely would lack in the actual sound. Sure, it would be original, but you can you make it original and sound good? This is the reason people should study up on theory, so they can express themselves while simultaneously making catchy songs that people will want to listen to. Think of a three year old scribbling on paper. Sure, it's original, but is there anything appealing to it? Definitely don't tell people to just stop learning about how to make appealing music, that is not the solution. Instead, have people take what they learned, and be creative with how they use it.

[@maravreloaded]

Music played by my nephew will be shït just admit you want to feel special and anti-system.

[@Anaea]

this comment reminds me of kikuo

[@Basedbuild]

I was going to listen to his opinion until he said Dubstep was a new genre 💀

[@maravreloaded]

I mean sure it existed for decades but it was recently when it became mainstream. You couldn't enter to any video here in the 10's decade without "Dubstep No Copyright 100% Real"

[@PsyX99]

Calling people NPC (back in the days we used to call them sheeps) is just a way to feel superior to people. "I'm special, other people are not, they're blind, they lack taste, only I have assented to a spiritual realm far superior to the NPCs/Sheeps/Blinds/tiktokers". We all think that. We're all others NPCs. As for music, you've maid your point.

[@verbosequestion]

Finally glad people can confidently call out bullshit music without being labeled "contrarian asshole", as a quite musical person myself, pop music today is so soulless and manufactured, even some bands people tell me is the 'best band' and I still find it to be completely lifeless slop. I'm not asking every new album to be completely off the wall and 100% original creative, but you can do FAR more with music than what is 'safe' for 'general audiences'.

[@viquitowers2815]

that's why idkhow and blossoms will always be the best edit cause I sent it early on accident: I 100% agree w you, even pop used to be an experimentation on catchy but amazing songs and some are still absolutely iconic, but nowadays it just became a soulless game of effortless background noise for tiktoks

[@Canderson_Beats]

collectivisim is fun!

[@auliamate]

@@viquitowers2815 I disagree, a lot of experimentation is still happening in pop music. The pop genre is arguably the largest of all genres, and while we have TikTok singers here to shovel their cookie cutter tracks, we have people who actually are trying to experiment, be it in the genre as a whole, or within their own discography. Example: Dua Lipa, massive pop singer. Houdini, her latest track, does things noticeably different than her previous two albums, and her collaborations with the likes of Calvin Harris and Elton John. It’s fresh, it’s new. Dare I say you’re painting everyone with one brush or however that saying goes. But I assume you don’t actually listen to pop music at all so honestly 🤷🤷

[@GMinus]

I hate the whining about different music. Just let people listen to what they like.

[@nyanyania]

ai comment

[@JujuInFlames]

It’s pretty obvious social media has changed how music is produced and presented and I hate it. Even like “indie” artists is getting kinda hit with that. I see artists on tik tok trying to show their new song but it’s just “Kendrick Lamar but indie??” “Am I under rated??” Like please shut up oh my god

[@foundationofficer8250]

There was a moment where the author contradicted himself. First, he praises Charlie Puth as a musical genius, and then, literally 7 seconds later, he claims how empty and soulless his songs are. If someone is a musical genius, their songs should be anything but soulless and empty.

[@Erik-pt2yw]

zoomers invented new name for "pop-music"

[@deityoffilth]

That's not what pop music means

[@maravreloaded]

I'm a zoomer I'm from 2001 but the term NPC music is stupid even for me.

[@Rey-zx7jz]

Some years ago I've began hearing rap music in ads and I realized "I can't believe rap has became corporate music"

[@lmho0254]

Rap is such a common genre these days, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think some newer genres could use a little spotlight. I'm a house and electronic kinda person, along with some swing, classical, and other stuff. Maybe some people could take a listen to those?

[@iidpack1865]

I've always felt like most modern rap nowadays all sound the same, I see people's stories on snapchat with rap music on, they're all different songs, yet I can't tell the difference between any of them

[@Z4NKA1]

@@iidpack1865 very few of them are original theyre either a clone of kanye, em, or travis/carti

[@user-lc5nv9id9k]

It’s been corporate for a while and tbh it’s all trash. I really don’t get the appeal even at a niche level

[@REMORYGERROSEOAREDRAGGAR-ud8fz]

Yeah I’m over rap being in everything.

[@Suwjridiqiekdixjq]

This is the truest video that I've ever seen. I don't know why more people don't talk about this.

[@rodrigocoockiemonster4460]

Because calling people NPC's makes you sound immature and childish as it implies life has no real meaning other than to be a simulated entertaning experience (a game)? Sheeple music would be, in my opinion, a much better term.

[@omegaseptagon5708]

because its not an issue and not a lot of people actually care about what others like in music.

[@TFFAN16]

Because nobody gives a rip about being an "NPC". I'm an NPC, so are you! Now shut up about it and let me enjoy my AC/DC or whatever

[@BlakeGeometrio]

People do talk about it, they just don't call others "NPCs" like a child.

[@Chumplnator]

@@rodrigocoockiemonster4460 There's another term for NPC music, it's called elevator music.

[@Kyo_Of_Shadows]

"I am the protagonist because i listen to obscure genres and i feel superior because of it. Everyone is an npc because of it, but not me." The npc.

[@geniuskhan2520]

The anti-npc. Thinks he's original for doing the same things several others do

[@wadejg_blaze0n213]

the buzz lightyear meme

[@Ebbelwoy]

The term is used only by people who think of themselves as "main-characters" which way more annoying

[@Nico-the-Nacho]

Maroon 5 in particular makes me sad because they used to be good. Moves Like Jagger was the tipping point. The album it was on, Hands All Over, was the last Maroon 5 album that had a soul, but that song was the harbinger of things to come. When Payphone came out, it was all over. Songs About Jane remains one of my most favorite albums of all time. Harder To Breathe is a banger opener, and This Love is a classic. I still think She Will Be Loved is a genuinely wholesome ballad, and bro, have you HEARD Not Coming Home? Those guitar licks are TASTY. Besides those stand out tracks, the rest of the album is just steamy sexual romance incarnated in musical form. Adam Levine presents himself like a playboy even today. But on this very first album, I actually believe him. What happened to Maroon 5 was a tragedy. What started out as a slick new band that blurred the lines between funk and rock became the soulless corporate pop machine that they are now. If you guys haven't, go listen to Songs About Jane from front to back. It's legit so good.

[@TaroLoaf]

Songs about jane had a lot of songs with complex chord progression and a sense of sincerity. And then 2010 hit and hes breaking up and falling in love every sunday

[@xXMapleVodkaXx]

Songs About Jane was great. Sunday Morning is an eternal mood.

[@vDREEGONv]

Yeah ngl Payphone immediately got me like "This sounds so fucking basic what happened to them?" especially because I grew up with songs like "This Love" which is to this day so damn good even if the lyrics are simple.

[@dazednotconfused1503]

Absolutely zero self awareness. This is NPC KZbin video

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

LMFAO

[@euugh8877]

​@@i_want_my_shuggah you made that comment twice. You are a bot yourself.

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

@@euugh8877 LMFAO

[@WiseFella]

@@euugh8877 LMFAO

[@Treostep]

why does it always turn out that those who use the word NPC in relation to other people themselves look more like extras? Dude, if you've listened to a couple dozen suggested tracks in spotify that aren't in the top 500, it doesn't make your taste any better.

[@vanceler3855]

There's so many comments like this under this video who make it obvious that they didn't watch the whole video and just read the title and got mad lmao

[@Treostep]

does watching a video mean for you to accept the position of the author or what? dude, there are so many comments here because the author of the channel has made a 'npc' clickbait and is trying to tell others why their musical taste is bad@@vanceler3855

[@thisreplysection]

I feel like half of the people going to maroon 5 concerts are like people on first dates that are like "shit i dont know what this person likes... no one hates maroon 5 right? right?

[@classydays43]

The oddest part about NPC rhetoric is that it doesn't match reality at all, because everyone has unique and diverse lives that can't be compared to a mild passing observation. Anyone saying someone has "NPC energy" has no idea what they are talking about.

[@someaccount2299]

I've been told I have NPC energy once by someone I know. I know they didn't really mean any harm, so I didn't take it too personally, but I did poke fun at it lol

[@classydays43]

@@someaccount2299 lol just go full Oblivion NPC around them. "I hear there is an exercise facility in the local area called a gym. I have been meaning to go there myself." "Cool man, you should totally do it." "They are selling bread at the local markets, but their salesperson gives me the willies." "I guess?" "Have you heard of the French? Strange creatures."

[@anomalousanimates]

"gives me the willies" bro i'm 🦐@@classydays43

[@imwastingmytimeonthis677]

npc has to be the worst thing gen z has ever created calling people a npc is so dumb everyone deals with the same crap because we’re humans living in the digital age calling someone a npc is like saying I’m superior than you because I don’t act a certain way it’s really ego based which is mind boggling 😭

[@classydays43]

Or like saying the world revolves around them and they're the protagonist. But if it's gen z, it kind of makes sense because none of them have the world experience to figure it out yet and that's fine. It's not fine if people hold on to the idea though.

[@kwabecikuwu9161]

you are an npc youtuber, like literally I don't even know if I ever saw you before or if you are a new one

[@symptomofsouls]

So many people have been pointing this out but he's not wrong about popular music just being slop

[@GG_Nowa]

@@symptomofsouls and everyone has known this since the 50s. Giving it a new name isn't making it New

[@mollof7893]

Generic male of age 13-25

[@nickelisblind]

To be fair, NPC KZbinrs usually have like 100k subs

[@bigg.grizzlybear2670]

People like what they like. SHOCKER

[@CathrineMacNiel]

But you see, OP and the tiktokers are the real Main Character and when they don't like a genre it's instantly NPC music, since only NPC would listen to it and like it, right? It's simple being one dimensional and narcissistic

[@yasha5544]

So basically NPC music is the music that makes you feel uncanny valley effect? 3:55 oh wait, isn't it just all pop music?

[@Epsilon-18]

Moral of the story: Everyone is an NPC. We're waiting for the player to come and do the playering.

[@the_magic_celery]

I was raised on heavy metal and I still love it! I don't hate pop music by any means, it's just that I prefer 80s to 00s pop than the stuff on the charts today. Pop music can still be creative and great, it's just that I can't go too long without something hard n heavy

[@wesley7376]

I hate all pop, upon hearing any pop at all, I must cleanse my ears with Infant Annihilator, Cattle Decapitation, Lorna Shore, and Cannibal Corpse

[@ShaniaT.]

@@wesley7376 same way i feel about country music, realatable af

[@wesley7376]

@@ShaniaT. The only country album I like is the Chris Stapleton album that was a white square as it's cover, other than that I completely agree with you about country music. It's just the same 5 songs about cowboy boots and beers sung with the same stupid twangy voice

[@lurji]

⁠@@wesley7376man unironically listening to infant and cattle is edgy 14 year old as hell try some azaghal or stormkeep

[@wesley7376]

@@lurji I like Stormkeep. I'll try azgul. I like other bands I didn't list like Whitechapel, Slipknot, Polaris, Children Of Bodom, I Prevail, Alpha Wolf, etc

[@rileyandseevie]

This is exactly why I apologetically enjoy my own unique taste in unique music through extremely varied genres. Well done video!

[@ssesssusman9417]

For 10 months after this video I have never heard of the term “NPC music” but the concept of it has existed in my head. I hate modern music, not all, but most is, what was described by you.

[@Osmedfr]

Who came from Joe Bartolozzi?

[@chr1stian_FN]

i am

[@dominikzgazivoda5921]

I did cuz i want to give a like to someone who actually put effort into the video

[@00th26]

Me

[@KunzLevi]

His reaction video is ass

[@pie_ninja]

Me

[@Amphibian42]

Would like to point out the irony of making a video on npc music while acting like the most default background noise algorithm slave out there- not dissing YOU here, but the presentation and use of the word content and pushing interaction etc is so that

[@panosrevelator4946]

A video of a Wood Elf explaining how he's not heard of the High Elves

[@PinacoladaMatthew]

I like listening to old songs, at least 10 years old, because they've been filtered through time.

[@anonymousent4447]

I don't really even like the concept of music "categorization" , we should stop labeling types of music or artists , and judging others based on surface level observation we can make on artists they follow or their impact. I don't believe there is such thing as "NPC music" , music is made to resonate with people who like it , and no one has the right to decide which type of music is for "NPC"s and which type is for "Cool different special people". Gen Z is really lacking self awareness and humbleness in my honest opinion ...

[@No.U]

Yeah, as some other guy in the comments said, all music is just noise and all music is art

[@TheGamingFishkiller]

The gigachad pfp fits

[@zsideswapper6718]

But genres and styles are still important to keep track with the stuff you like. _Id est_ if you find a track from a genre or an artist you like, you might look for similar stuff down the same path. It is complementary with being open-minded.

[@anomalousanimates]

rare moment of a gigachad pfp being a W

[@channel45853]

don't limit the comment to Gen Z, all generations have arrogance akin to this, even if they don't use the description "NPC"

[@quietchicken6022]

Imo, people calling music "NPC" music are just people who don't like the Genres and are sick of these types of music, in the end it's just a term that people are using to make themselves feel better, about not being an "NPC". At the end of the day, everyone is technically an NPC as we can't play other people we can only play ourselves.

[@BroJontorr]

not even music is safe from this npc term bullshits, cant have peaceful life us nowadays 🗿

[@christopherfeatherley]

I don't think this is particularly anything new; just a new name to insult mass appeal (generic) music. It's great and wonderful that you have a passion for music! I find, when you're really into something, you become really into those lesser known or niche songs. I have no expertise in music, but I am aware of the fashion industry. Take perfumes for example: similarly to music, almost everyone wears one. It's pleasant and almost a must for society, thus is a billion dollar industry. If you go on perfume websites or KZbin or the like, you will see fragrance enthusiasts recommend the most niche or lesser known brands and fragrances, which isn't what the majority of what the population wears. Most people wear whatever smells nice, which usually are citrus based fragrances, which is why most fashion brand houses will release citrus based scents. It's a safe bet that appeals to the main mass. It's what brings profit, despite being generic and over saturated. The same applies for music: we humans are always in search of a connection -- some form of love -- mix that with an upbeat tune, you've basically appealed to the masses. Soulless? Maybe. Generic? Absolutely. In the end of the day, they're just trying to appeal to the majority of people without particularly catering to one specific demographic. I think it's something people learn in business/marketing. It's not something new. But hey, it makes you appreciate the niche stuff more, too!

[@Yeawhatever507]

this an npc video

[@rocotaco5517]

I agree especially since a lot of npc music pops up all over social media, but ever since I got rid of all my accounts I haven't heard any npc music so far. Also I think there could be a correlation with npc music and industry plants since some of these musicians appear out of the blue and be putting out music which most of the time sound generic.

[@realmintco]

trueee it's wild how a lot of artists today only exist in the social media ecosystem

[@rocotaco5517]

@@realmintco yeah and I remember hearing that even some established artists are tuning their music to go viral on tiktok

[@_Devil]

Pretty much whatever music that plays on the radio, I don't like. Radio is so restricted on what they can air that their tracks are always dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, and because of that there's rarely ever creativity. It's easier to find bands and music I like through my KZbin recommended than it is on radio.

[@Dachi40]

something about everything feeling like "a verse or a hook" is, imo, the effect of TikTok. You have to make each section somethign that tiktokkers would want to put in their 30 second videos. Hence why each section is so samey. Its like throwing shit at the wall until it sticks

[@shishi_anne]

As a gen z child growing up on one of these npc music that I used to listen as a child now just got too repetitive that i'm eating the same food everyday. When I discover other underrated artists who aren't so much in the radios like TallyHall for example. I also get to explore other genres of music when I get to love Jazz, Metal, Math Rock, Hyperpop, Electro Swing, Fan made franchise music and much more. Its a big fresh of other content that made me itch my brain and energizes my mood that I would say i don't have a bias or favorite song or genre.

[@phantomaviator1318]

Damien Van Elburg. Check him out.

[@trash_alien]

What's math rock?

[@shishi_anne]

@@trash_alien Math rock is a style of alternative, indie rock and progressive rock, it is known for its odd time signatures, extensive chords and rhythmic patterns hence why the name math is included for its uncommon styles of music. They also call it emo jazz, them being combined gives out meticulous, but also the same time messy rhythms that it actually sounds good. Most of them can be hardcore or soft rock, overall some are relaxing and mellow sounding. I recommend bands like Chon. tricot, toe, TTNG, Don Caballero, and more. I understand it isn't everyone's type of music and will have time to get used to it but I adore this genre so far.

[@ts-wo6pp]

​​@@phantomaviator1318just did its pretty bad sorry. A german guy doing traditional country but badly and germanly

[@phantomaviator1318]

@@ts-wo6pp He's Dutch, but aye, fair enough. I dig it, personally.

[@Ki0lin]

This is why I like indie music. Its all unique and you can immediately tell whose song it is. Its like a little gem for me

[@ZaTheLean]

Ikr

[@wesley7376]

Same with deathcore

[@zefiroth2678]

​@@wesley7376fr fr and same with doomgaze or shoegaze

[@Uncle_Ruckus_]

It's almost like what metal used to be.

[@itsgenious1817]

Progressive music:

[@JavaSchoolBlues]

I'm sad Oliver Tree went from songs like Hurt, Alien Boy, Forget It, and I'm Gone to tracks like Life Goes On. So much potential wasted

[@realmintco]

frrrr the 2020 version of ugly is beautiful is still on my heavy rotation

[@sexopimbada]

nah he is smart to use the mob mentality to his advantage

[@soardev]

@@realmintcofacts

[@Sentay0]

Quick reminder that the term NPC being used on IRL people is literally meant to dehumanize, if they're an NPC then there's no point in trying to understand or empathize with them, "they're not a person like ME".

[@JasonCan-wp2fu]

What's with these homies dissing my girl

[@Anaea]

@@JasonCan-wp2fu why do they gotta front

[@springingleaks]

its always so funny watching people who dont know anything about music try to criticize music its literally called pop music for a reason

[@Benjo69420lelol]

all i can say is: it's actually so fun to go onto random music videos on youtube music or spotify and just find random FIRE songs like, my personal favourites: Fine Wine | Saint Motel Diane Mozart | Saint Motel Everyone's a guru now | Saint Motel Staring a hole in the floor | Whitey somebody grab the wheel | Whitey Sweet words for the sour | Whitey (i especially love Saint Motel and all of their songs, they are just THAT GOOD)

[@blitceed]

yo dude, if you like saint motel, i would recommend Jady! they opened for saint motel at a concert

[@laurarebelo8415]

omg i found Saint Motel through random KZbin digging too :) good algorithm

[@Benjo69420lelol]

@@laurarebelo8415 they literally are the greatest band i have ever listened to (in my humble opinion)

[@auliamate]

🔥🔥🔥🔥SAINT MOTEL HAS BEEN MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I actually discovered them through Spotify recommendations for their song “Preach”. Have not dung into the discography as a whole, but I’m gonna sometime soon! Stumbling into random non-ultrafamous bands and musicians putting out absolute bangers on the down low is the BESTTTT

[@Benjo69420lelol]

@@auliamate I can tell you as a dude who has listened to every single Saint Motel song, THEY ARE ALL INSANELY GOOD. So go on and listen to every single one of their songs because you WON'T regret it 🔥🔥

[@gnarwhal7562]

2 other ways you can define NPC music: Chemical formula music (songs so chemically pure you'd think they used Walter White's meth recipes) & Fast Food music (music so bland and empty it's about as memorable as the taste of a McDonald's meal)

[@itsgenious1817]

Such a perfect way to describe it

[@loveseat-honey]

There’s some songs that are exceptions to the rule, but those are few and far between.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

I still remember my last McDouble being pretty tasty. Much more memorable than the average Taylor Swift song.

[@lysenthe]

I wonder if you guys in the comments have had a similar opinion of NPC music towards genres that aren't strictly pop. For example, what about breakcore? As much as I love the genre, some of it certainly feels uninspired and soulless for sure. Same thing goes to D&B, jungle and other relatively "hippie" genres. When's the last time a racing game D&B song has stuck with you? I distinctly recall one song from TM Turbo and a couple from NFSMW 2005, but that's about it really. There's also Home Depot music that sucks.

[@basic6735]

@@lysenthe Every genre has soulless music, you just here more people complain about pop because it’s more mainstream

[@Zeverinsen]

*I would like to point out that it actually takes skill and know-how to make music that is universally inoffensive and generally well-liked.* Just like it requires experienced food scientists to make that one snack everyone likes, a consistent flavour, texture, look and smell, you have to know what you're doing to make music you know that a lot of people will like. _Remember when Julia Michaels blew up with "Issues"?_ She had already been a songwriter for successful singers for years, SIA and Lady Gaga are also two good examples of the same thing. I would also like to stress that these types of writers are often multi-talented, *because they have to be.* They have to be able to write, sing and play instruments, which is something you often see in their performances too (Lady Gaga playing the piano is a good example). You also need a good musical range, because you want to make a living off of writing. Take some of SIA's hits like "Breathe Me", which is a heart-wrenchingly sad song and compare it to "Titanium", "Cheap Thrills" or "Candy Cane Lane". Lady Gaga's record also speaks for itself, even in the early days. "Poker Face", "Nothing else I can say" and "Paparazzi" were already quite different, but then you also have "Born This Way", "You and I" and "Shallow", plus all the music she was singing with Tony Bennet. I think some people just have an aversion towards enjoying things a lot of other people like, because they want to be special, different and "real", like there aren't thousands of other people already enjoying the same exact thing as them. *_Just because something is well-liked, that doesn't make it bad._*

[@felix.henson]

Of course it takes skill, and the people at the top of the pop music world are insanely talented to be able to write and produce so many songs that are so widely liked. I don't think that takes away from the argument about music losing some of it's charm when it becomes too generic-feeling though, since it can feel at times like what should be an art form is being exploited as just another way to make lots of money. Whilst the "pop music bad my music taste is better" argument is just as shallow as the thing it claims to critique, that doesn't mean we shouldn't encourage the enjoyment of music as art and push people to explore outside of just what's shown to them by current trends

[@raccoonman957]

Yeah I bet having a ghost writter and producer, replace every lyrics of your last song with synonyms is real hard hmm. I cant imagine how difficult it would be to have an autotune do everything for you. Cant imagine how HARSH it would be to pay the people who made a shitty clone of every pop song ever, a micro fraction of the unethical amounts of money your gonna make. Paying people who work for you?? urgh thats so time consuming it takes sooo much skills!!!!

[@felix.henson]

@@raccoonman957 bro we're talking abt the ghostwriters having talent not the people who pay them lol

[@OldJayPokerman]

Music is not only felt in our brain, but in our soul and beyond. There's more to it. The sincerity is the key when it comes to any artistic expression

[@BigMacMounlade]

Oh, the misery! Everybody wants to be my enemy!

[@_Beau2005_]

good song, idc

[@barcodereader]

Songs that give you a temporary high,,

[@rasta7655]

most reddit video of all time just dropped

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

LMFAO

[@thunzur]

cant believe a good amount of people agreed with the video lmao

[@shmuck9649]

@@thunzur What do you not agree with lol? He made very uncontroversial points.

[@keonkla]

@@shmuck9649 A bunch of zoomers are getting triggered and are coming from tiktok.

[@bragiodinsen4604]

npc made a video about npcs 💀

[@gordao_jogadas_69]

npc music is ltterly every tiktok song

[@ProudToBeKraut_Varus]

Since the 2000's, the more clicks it got, the worse it gets.

[@stacie1595]

This is how I've been feeling about some kpop acts recently. Trading in the funky, experimental quality of the genre for "down to earth" corporate pop songs aimed at mainstream viral success. It's just not very emotionally convincing and therefore uncanny.

[@auliamate]

ON FREAKING GOD I’ve been listening to less K-pop recently because there’s just so much “girly I heard this song but like better in every way a month ago” songs right now. It’s actually led to me discovering R&B fully

[@babymilksnatcher]

Society needs f(x) back... Even aespa don't have half of their zaniness.

[@DaSticks]

how is this not NPC youtube content

[@ksv314]

Having been a huge fan of pop and electronic music for decades, I experienced an inexplicable attraction to country music over the last few years - and as I began to listen to more of country I began to find almost every other genre completely unpalatable, I had no idea why; it was very hard to describe but country just felt so much more 'raw' and genuine. Watching this video absolutely nails everything I felt but couldn't quite understand over these last few years.

[@rawrxd666]

see back in the day we would call these artists, sellouts. much more effective term. targets te souless corporate music and makes fun of anyone who listens to them

[@summer3clipse]

who else is here from joe’s video ⬇️

[@markmental6665]

*calls people npcs while looking and sounding exactly like lion from virtua fighter*

[@inhisglory960]

i'm slowly starting to understand the unabomber

[@poopiepuppies4768]

This is why I listen to the extremes of metal.

[@Gan191-me7yg]

Who here from daddy Joe bartolozzi

[@blutausnordvpn]

I'm out of the loop, but I noticed at the beginning that there are tiktoks dedicated to questioning 'phonk' as NPC music. What happened to disseminate that opinion? The genre never seemed that big and was mostly relegated to small producers occasionally achieving a hit.

[@CYB3R_MOON]

ONG

[@PokeShadow77]

5:41 ignore this