How to Sound Like Siamese Dream (The Smashing Pumpkins)

[@jasminericenic]

it's actually terrifying how close that sound is in the beginning, best tone replication i've heard on youtube!

[@EddieClark]

Thank you very much!

[@sixstringer98]

As another longtime pumpkin fan and collector of anything that can get me closer to that tone, I have a trick you can do with the Phase 100 to make it sound even more pumpkin like. Put the phaser thru the return/send of your marshall. It let's the phase float right on top of the fuzz. You might already be doing that but just in case you haven't tried that it's worth a shot. Gives the tone a very mellon collie feel

[@EddieClark]

I'll give it a shot 👍

[@tiagoandrade5826]

the live sound of pumpkins with the orange amps was insane in that era. too bad I cant find specs or info about the pedals (a few) used live or marshall jmp1 settings.

[@nedim_guitar]

You really nailed that BC style solo in the intro! As a fan and a guitarist, this was really fun!

[@EddieClark]

Thank you!

[@theshimmeringcarnelians]

You have done a wonderful service by figuring out how to do this with modern materials. Thank you.

[@benderman1157]

jesus you fucking nailed that sound. It really shows the love and dedication you've poured into examining their material. Kudos man

[@erictallant4965]

That intro track is everything I want out of a guitar. 100 percent the sound I am chasing.

[@jeffjefferson8137]

i don’t understand how you can get so much distortion and still actually be able to tell what notes you’re hitting. that’s always been my problem with recording heavy songs and adding a second or third guitar on makes it even more muddy

[@gutbucket6184]

Try adding a clean guitar playing the full chords in the middle, and then two distorted guitars playing power chords on the left and right side

[@bobbybrown1787]

Hands down the BEST video I’ve seen for this subject AND best video I’ve seen by an account under 500 subs. If you keep up content like this I would not be surprised if you became a regular stop for gear info for myself

[@EddieClark]

Thank you very much! I appreciate that! I'll be doing a deep dive on the separate lead tones from the album very soon. I've learned a few things 👍

[@woopidtywooptydoo1378]

@@EddieClark YES PLEASE 😇 subbed!

[@startervisions]

Jimi Hendrix playing with My Bloody Valentine

[@SprunkCovers]

The sound of my teenage years! this video is perfect

[@cdreyes81]

That lead is insane

[@telecasper]

Wow, congrats on the effort to replicate the sounds and all the right finger positions!

[@RawPower7]

I discovered SP in 1996 and it instantly became one of my most loved bands, i still love them, though i dont listen as much as i used to. Great video and thanks!

[@fatboyR6]

This has a lot of comments, so I’m sure this is already been said. If you have the Siamese dream tablature book in the forward Billy breaks down his entire rig and what pedals he uses and what AMP uses and settings. It is actually from a guitar world magazine interview he did shortly after Siamese dream came out. A lot of people were fascinated by the wall of fuzz. I have been chasing that sound since 1995. You have done very well. There used to be a girl on here name fuzz box girl. She had a couple of old big muffs with the op amp mod and her tone was damn close. Unfortunately she deleted her channel and took down all her videos. I have no idea why.

[@EddieClark]

Absolutely. That is where I learned the settings for my amp back in the mid 90's. The amp in this video is the modern 20 watt reissue of that amp mentioned in the tab book/article (2203 JCM 800 w/KT88's). That article has a few good tidbits but doesn't dive super deep. It handles the rhythm sound decently but only gives a little info on the leads. I made a second video after this one that dissects the lead guitar sound beyond what is in the tab book or interviews kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTImK13jcyje6M Thanks for watching!

[@Black_Caucus]

I want to know more about this girl and her fuzz box...

[@namtsur]

what were the amp settings stated in the book?

[@camauflage5192]

Interesting, when I heard Siamese Dream for the first time I assumed it was a crazy number of layered guitars, this is the closest I've heard to the Smashing Pumpkins sound for sure,well done!

[@kristopherryanwatson]

well itnis a crazy number of layered guitars. Soma has 40

[@iditarod4081]

@@kristopherryanwatson lol what?

[@Quetange]

This is gold content, man! That soma intro at 04:43 was just out of the park accurate! Beautiful work of yours in figuring out that pumpkins sound so well and sharing it with us here on youtube. I live in Brazil and must say that these pedals that you are using they're just the deadly expensive around here, but still you offer the guidelines for us to get that there, and that makes this whole video so valuable for me and most guitar players interested in learning how to understand how unique guitar tones are created.

[@fabronaut7478]

been curious about that Siamese Dream era tone for years. I knew bits and pieces of it, such as the JCM 800 head with KT88's, master cranked with the preamp controlling the gain structure, Distortion+ into an op amp Muff, and so on. I got the Lace Sensors and the op amp muff, but couldn't quite wrap my head around the rest of the equation. I decided to build a pedalboard recently and learned about IRs. I've been using older modelers for years, as I just mess around in my room by myself, and had no idea how far the tech had come... IRs have opened a whole new world for me. knowing that it's possible to get there with gear I can actually afford (or save up for over the years) is a very happy surprise. I presumed it would be out of reach or infeasible, given all the expensive gear, rack stuff, super involved production techniques, and so on. this has pretty much all the missing pieces of the puzzle -- or at least, all the major ones I couldn't figure out! I'll have to take a stab at modeling some of the aspects with modern software / tools in conjunction with my pedals while I save up for other bits and pieces. simply incredible.I'm really excited to keep exploring, and that's a godsend as this pandemic drags on and I keep wrestling with other things that bring me down. thank you so much for sharing this.

[@FR01Z]

lace sensor are the best pickup ever made

[@tiagofernandez8401]

daamn, Soma sounds amazing!

[@calebcaldwellguitar]

Not sure how anyone could dislike this video. We appreciate your work!

[@jimtroeltsch5998]

I'm one of the people who hit the dislike button. I don't like people who wear hats inside. It's rude and just straight up inappropriate. There are probably kids who are gonna watch this video and they are gonna see this guy wearing a tuque inside like it's the end of the world or something. It's such a terrible example to set. For shame to this man and anyone else who liked this video, including yourself, buck-o!

[@creepingequinox7359]

@@jimtroeltsch5998 youre so stuck up literally no one cares about wearing hats inside

[@narnball]

@@jimtroeltsch5998 are you even serious?!

[@jimtroeltsch5998]

@@narnball lol what do you think?

[@sheageeknami]

Thanks for uploading this! Was looking forward to it since your original Reddit post!

[@EddieClark]

Glad to and I hope you liked it. Thanks for watching!

[@sheageeknami]

Eddie Clark most definitely liked it. I'm not familiar at all with pedals and amp knowledge, so watching you explain what they do was great. Would love to see one of machine ii if you ever decide to :) This one kicked ass btw :D

[@scotscub76]

Holy shit that solo sound. Perfect.

[@ejicon3099]

Thanks for running use through this set-up. Excellent work.

[@Poundsalt_Ryan]

Dude, thats my dream rig right there! FUCKING NAILED IT!!!

[@fishontv6834]

Awesome. Love it. You look like me when jamming out to Pumpkins.. big ass grin and just eating it up.

[@louie12ph]

Instasub dude you killed the tone the first minute. Cheers from a fellow guitarist!

[@loboarthur]

That’s amazing. Thanks for sharing that!!

[@johnpickk7526]

woaaah this sounds spot on, nice job!

[@EddieClark]

Thank you!

[@robobunch4212]

Excellent work. Sounds great.

[@Leonh12789]

Really love this channel and these vids. I've been a pumpkins fan for 20+ years and started playing guitar 3 months ago. Would love if you did more pumpkins covers or even lesson type vids.

[@kevinrudd4689]

I think you nailed it!

[@EddieClark]

Thank you! 👍

[@Frenchmelodymaker]

When you played through the amp speaker I was meh but suddenly you played through amplitude and that was IT

[@EasyHeat]

A good friend of mine is (Billy) in a Siamese Dream tribute band. You've absolutely NAILED it!

[@garyarms9647]

Great video bud. Thank you for your time and commitment...

[@wozja]

So good man great take on sound ... love your covers best I’ve seen on KZbin

[@wozja]

Hey Eddie you think you would tackle some Mellon collie covers and would you do F*** You and ode to no one ? The solo in that track sounds so sporadic and awesome like corgan did it in a take on the whim. Would love to hear you play it your corgan solo tributes are the best.

[@EddieClark]

I've never tried that solo. It is chaotic. I'll have to give it a shot! Thanks for watching 👍

[@cuteasxtreme]

If I remember right Billy has said he was in the room with his amp cranked all the way so he had to play that solo tight to keep it from exploding w feedback

[@S1ipperyJim]

Great tips especially the speakers! Only thing you're missing is Billy's fingers😉

[@EddieClark]

I’ll see if I can find a set on Reverb 🤣

[@gocowsgo117]

thanks for sharing Eddie. Hummer was perfect.

[@EddieClark]

Glad to and thanks!

[@arrangearrange]

Good stuff. That Marshall looks great rehoused.

[@Chuffin_ell]

Had that g12 in a Marshall Studio 30 combo back in the day. Yeh, it’s gone...and I regret it.

[@EddieClark]

I've got a few of those regrets too 👍

[@joakimwennberg4000]

Hahaha, love the Mr. Bean photo in the background

[@EddieClark]

He's a constant source of inspiration in our household 🤣

[@blackjackhooligan]

Could you perhaps do a vid or an instruction on how you set up the settings on the H9 for Soma? Love all your videos! Can’t wait for the next!!!

[@brettmartin4742]

I second that! I use delay and chorus when I play it, but whatever you were doing sounded way better/closer.

[@Bartmelo]

Just awesome. Perfect tone 👌

[@EddieClark]

Thank you and thanks for watching!

[@alexlatta1]

Great video man. I need to get that lead tone lol

[@JQBMusicandTutorials]

Wow, nailing it!

[@timbronski2687]

Mad respect man!

[@EddieClark]

Thank you 👍

[@sugarnap245]

How did you determine amp settings? I just picked up a Marshall 4x12 JCM800 lead 1960a cab with original vented white label G12T-75’s and as soon as I plugged in lace sensor strat into my JMP 2204 with the master cranked and low gain through my 1978 op amp big muff, that was IT. So awesome. It’s really important to emphasize the early white label G12T-75’s. Even the later UK models were vastly different, not to mention the Chinese 75’s. Surprisingly, Creambacks sounded way closer to the vintage white labels than actual newer G12T-75’s. Finally, as difficult as it is to justify, the sound of a 4x12 is crucial. Even close miking a single singer. The cab just resonates differently.

[@EddieClark]

Billy shows his JCM 800 setting a few times in interviews. I think the first place he mentions it is in the Siamese Dream tab book. I use the original vented white G12T-75s as well as a G12-65 (the predecessor to the 75) loaded 4x12. Vintage speakers are almost always better. If your JMP has EL34’s, try out KT88s. Tubes don’t really sound too different but the added headroom with the master on 10 makes a difference. Thanks for watching!

[@sugarnap245]

@@EddieClark oh! Right on. Same settings as you have in the video I presume? :)

[@sugarnap245]

@@EddieClark wow, that is so shrill sounding with the presence up that high. Hmmm

[@EddieClark]

Make sure the treble is at 0 or 1. I never run more than that. Also to consider, the JMP’s are often a little brighter than the JCM versions. I’ve had multiple of both and I usually end up with a bright cap delete in the JMP amps.

[@jocool47]

itd be sweet if you showed how to get these tones in amplitube exclusively. i can get relatively close using my marshall and big muff, but i am just getting into amps and pedals, and unfortunately cant go buy the microsynth and harmonizer... been chasing the siamese dream tone on amplitube forever now with no avail

[@ElChadinotunes]

Very awesome! Cheers man!

[@WillMaskellTaylor]

Amazing video dude, you've really nailed the tones which is a real achievement since you've managed to translate the sound from a studio recording sound into a pedalboard. I've just checked out the eventide pedal and safe to say I might have to wait until I think of getting one since Ive already bought two new pedals this month 🤪

[@anthonywandowicz8084]

So sick

[@SloopADoopy]

Don’t dream it be it!

[@nathanrking]

Just picked up a 1985 Marshall Master Lead 30W solid state. Supposed to be very JMC 800 like. Looking forward to trying your amp settings!

[@EddieClark]

That's awesome! I like the '80 solid states so much better than the '90s Valvestate garbage 💪👍 Thanks for watching!

[@beezis2969]

Very nice! You just got my sub for this

[@EddieClark]

Thank you! Glad you liked it.

[@williamanthony175]

When you're talking about the eventide, are you referring to the H-3000? I managed to find one on eBay and it's awesome

[@EddieClark]

Yup. I was just using an H9 on my board to get close but yeah the H3000 is amazing!! Thanks for watching!

[@stephenmason5773]

Sounds great!!!!

[@kevinstarofficial]

amazing work! you got super close to the tone. If you do a match eq of the stems with izotope ozone though, you can get that tone 100% by replicating the whole signal chain. i did it and it is sooo fun to play.

[@revalone3944]

i was just thinking about doing this

[@MichelLamblin]

This guy Billy Corgans. KT88s in a Marshall? Check. Red Lace Sensors? Check. These are all those little details I remember as a teenager from the Siamese Dream tab book, lol. The only gear I went for in the 90s to be Pumpkins-y was 'a Big Muff' - which Big Muff, though? (This was before the internet was much help, remember!) I got the Sovtek Green Russian, and, well, at the time I thought it was great, but it's quite a different beast from the OpAmp. But even after getting the OpAmp reissue, I still go back to my ol' Greenie for nostalgia's sake (and it has surprisingly better clarity for individual notes!)

[@EddieClark]

That sounds familiar to me! My first muff was a green sovtek as well. Couldn't figure out why it didn't sound right 🤣 That said; they're still my favourite muffs outside of Pumpkins tones. Thanks for watching 👍

[@Leonh12789]

Hey got a question for you... Im running a marshall DSL combo with fuzz pedal into my 2notes captor attenuator and into wall of sound cab sim plug in.... If I use amplitube instead do I just turn the virtual amp off since I am using my real amp but need the cabinet and mic simulation?

[@EddieClark]

That’s exactly it. I turn off the speaker simulation in my UA OX and set it to DI mode. Then I disable the head in Amplitube 5 and just use the G12T-75 speaker sims with the C414 and Senn 421

[@Leonh12789]

Awesome I mucked around with it yesterday and got some thing close. I just got a bit of clipping having maxed the volume on my amp and used my gain as a volume control. Love your videos mate, massive pumpkins fan.

[@CitAllHearItAll]

nice

[@godofspacetime333]

I’ve seen someone use a half-cocked wah before the overdrive and muff and nailed the lead tone. Add in a phaser with the rate all the way down and depth all the way up and you’ll get the Cherub Rock lead sound.

[@EddieClark]

I could see that working really well. I use a Microsynth, phaser and Jordan buzz tone to get that sound. kzbin.info/www/bejne/inW2i6age9Cdisk

[@godofspacetime333]

@@EddieClark nice, i just checked that out, yeah I think yours is dead on for Cherub Rock. You even managed to get that broken speaker sort of sound you hear in the last second or two of the song, always loved that.

[@neje1967]

Thankssssss !!

[@Evocati-Augusti]

I just set up a custom MKII Pro electric kit, and I haven't played drums since 2006,3 months and I'm playing Gish and Siamese Dream, which I've never played before ,i have to start making videos,

[@silvazuao]

NICE

[@sugarnap245]

Im sure you figured this out by now, but the Jordan Boss Tone is the most likely culprit for the lead "secret" fuzz that you're substituting the Tumnus for. :)

[@EddieClark]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTImK13jcyje6M Here's the videos where I break that down :) Thanks for watching!

[@sugarnap245]

@@EddieClark oh yeah! Perfect haha sounds great! Just recently snagged a vintage micro synth. Psyched to hook it up and pump out some Pumpkin solos

[@leob4403]

​@@sugarnap245I have not heard another jordan buzz tone that sounds like the one in his video :(

[@johnnybgoodies2147]

I truly believe you will nail the lead tone when you figure out which octave pedal to use. Its in that octave pedal

[@johnnybgoodies2147]

Probably using some oddball, killer octave fuzz from the 60s/70s, that was sitting around that multimillion dollar studio of Billy's. I have a v4, and v5 opamp Muff and there is an "octaveness" in the muff naturally, so you really need to hunt down a v4 v5 or v6 to go along with that magical , and mysterious octave pedal he REALLY used. I honestly dont think the studioboard had as much to do with it.

[@EddieClark]

😁 the octave effect is a Microsynth The Lead Guitar Sounds of Siamese Dream (The Smashing Pumpkins) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTImK13jcyje6M Here it is in use kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4qTkmlpaZhsmNk

[@douglasvaughn9349]

Great video

[@EddieClark]

Thank you 👍

[@pablonavarroruiz9564]

Heyyy great video, quick question, do you have the volume and tone knobs of your guitar maxed or rolled off a bit?

[@EddieClark]

Thanks! All of the guitars knobs are at 10.

[@KitchenDog03]

Very cool. Check out the Pumpkin Pi by Stomp Under Foot, I bought one the other day instead of the op amp muff. I use it with a TS9 and the tone is identical

[@EddieClark]

I've tried it. It's a good fuzz pedal 👍👍 Thanks for watching!

[@edwardmorris3453]

Eddie Clark Shout-out, this is one of the most useful videos I've seen on this type of subject. The gear is out of my price range but I appreciate how you don't just talk shop but show us rubes out there how all this gear achieves that sound. I'm looking to buy a Fender. I've always played nylon classical guitars and know zip about electric guitars. Any advice on what strats to stay away from?

[@EddieClark]

Thanks! I'm glad you found it useful. Best advice I can give is go play as many as possible and find one that just feels right.

[@jimcooper3913]

Damn that sounds good. So addictive to play aint it????

[@cdreyes81]

We need a melon collie video

[@EddieClark]

I agree

[@corey3110]

Any clue what effect was used for Soma live before the hard riff? Almost like a delay echo

[@EddieClark]

It’s an Eventide H3000 Band Filter Delay. I did a video on how to achieve that sound using an H9 The Soma Delay Sound - Eventide H9 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h16neaybgMyKhck

[@gazcbm]

Great sound!! Love the intro! Just wondering if you have played around much bypassing the amp completely and trying to achieve the same using amp sims? Softube do a range of Marshall’s including a 2203 with KT88’s. Be interesting to hear what you get.

[@EddieClark]

I've played with a couple and they get VERY close.

[@anthonysclafani3963]

When you’re playing cherub rock and use the red + silver pickups, do you mean the out of phase bridge + middle strat sound? +Eddie Clark

[@EddieClark]

Yup! That's the position I'm using but they're not out of phase. They are in phase. Out of phase sounds very nasal

[@Jacob-kh4tw]

Hey man, great stuff here. Curious on your thoughts between the SC20 and the full 100watt JCM800. In your experience does the SC20 match the original in terms of that big muff into low gain channel sound?

[@EddieClark]

I grew up with a 1983 JCM 800 2203. I loved it. The SC20 is 99% of the way there. Being able to run the master on 10 is a huge part of the sound with that amp. It needs to be wide open. Doing that with my 100 watt growing up is why I have tinnitus. I can do this with the 20 watt version and not go deaf. The 100 watt version may produce a little more low end but not in a way that anyone will notice in a mix or live situation. Hope that helps and thanks for watching! TLDR - yes the 20 watt version can match the sound.

[@Jacob-kh4tw]

@@EddieClark Awesome! Thanks so much

[@averylangs]

How different would it sound if I were using a stock SC20C without any mods? Great vid btw, absolutely the closest and most informative video I've seen on this topic!

[@EddieClark]

I don't think it makes a huge difference TBH. Using a G12T-75 speaker is a much better investment for nailing the sound.

[@averylangs]

Awesome! Thanks

[@5150show]

Cool , just subbed

[@davidfoulk661]

I really enjoyed this video and would love to know how you went about making the custom SC20. I’ve been wanting to do the same and the way you did it looks great!

[@EddieClark]

Thanks! Glad you liked it! My local amp tech made the tube change for me. The 12" enclosure is the Mojotone 18 watt combo with a 7.5" back panel to accommodate the extra amp chassis depth.

[@nth1739]

Do you leave the sm57 mic off in amplitude and just record using the single 414? Or perhaps alter for double tracking?

[@frankymcdonald7176]

behringer super fuzz on mode 2 with the big muff gets close to the siamese lead tone for cheap. excluding any modulation effects

[@leob4403]

Its really noisy and messy though

[@frankymcdonald7176]

@@leob4403 skill issue

[@leob4403]

@@frankymcdonald7176 you cant get the micro synth sound with the behringer and big muff thats for sure

[@nathanrking]

Amazing walkthrough of the Siamese tones. I have a fender Strat with all single coil pickups. I love the neck pickup for warm clean tones, but am considering switching out the middle and bridge pickups for something else. What do you recommend for Siamese tones?

[@EddieClark]

Just try a red lace sensor in the bridge and leave the middle for now. The Silver in the middle of the SD era Strat is just a copy of a far Strat pickup which is almost decked/level to the pickguard. Thanks for watching!

[@murrayguitarpickups9545]

I subscribed I love the pumpkins

[@chrisparker5278]

Please do a Melon Collie tone video

[@raynefaded]

What sort of difference does the kt88 mod make? I've been considering getting my JCM800 2203 modded, but I'd imagine is costs a bit to do so. And curious where you heard he used G12T-75s for Siamese Dream! I know he endorsed them, but I've been trying to find an interview or something where they say that's what he used (I believe you by the way). You do a great job! Keep killing it.

[@EddieClark]

Thanks! The KT88's don't sound different until the master volume is on 10. They just stay cleaner. I found it to be less important on the SC20 that I use for these videos than it was on my old 2203. It benefited far more. The G12T-75 is the standard speaker in the cab Billy played through for SD. When you try subbing out Greenbacks and Vintage 30's, the recordings no longer sound right. I've experimented with other speakers just to see what happens and "that sound" is no longer there. Thanks for watching!

[@raynefaded]

@@EddieClark How much a difference do you think there is between the G12T-75 vs G12M-70? I have an old 1960A Lead, and it has such a harsh "pokey" high end. I have to turn my presence and treble completely off my JCM800 to not have it be ear-piecing for cleans. Bad enough that a gig from this weekend made be itch to find a replacement.

[@EddieClark]

@@raynefaded The G12M-70 is one of the most hated Celestions of all time. I don't think that's a deserved title but it's definitely not a speaker for SD sounds. They're very different speakers. The G12M-70 is a great speaker for going after early Nirvana tones while the G12T-75 is the SD sound. The newer ones don't really sound quite the same as the old ones though. I run my amps with the treble on 0 or 1 for Siamese Dream tones with the G12T-75 and I only play the 800 type amps with the master on 10 (when using the low input, 7 if I'm using the high gain input). I find they're too peaky if the power section isn't cranked up as well. Hope that helps.

[@raynefaded]

@@EddieClark Ah you're right! I just watched a video by Johan Segeborn and they don't sound similar at all... I'm really craving a vintage set of 4, but they're not super easy to source (at least here in Canada). Might struggle and wait to find an old set, rather than bite the bullet not and just get new ones...

[@EddieClark]

@@raynefaded I'm in Canada as well. I ended up ordering my vintage ones from Europe

[@eliasbutcher859]

Wonder if you’ve heard of the fender lt25/50/GT amp. Got a bunch a customizable tones and wondered if you knew of the fender-renamed tones I should use

[@EddieClark]

Unfortunately I am not familiar with that amp.

[@SWizz871]

Do you have much gain on the JCM 800? I'm using a JCM 800 patch on my Boss Katana and am trying to figure out how to make it work with my Big Muff Tone Wicker. Thanks!

[@EddieClark]

The JCM800 2203/2204 circuit has 2 inputs. One low gain and one high gain. The high gain input is more along the lines of medium gain by today's standards. The low gain input stays pretty clean because it has one less gain stage compared to the high input. If your emulated 800 doesn't give you that option,set the gain low instead to get in the ball park. The low is the input used for SD.

[@SWizz871]

@@EddieClark Thank you!

[@stevenreech8854]

I have all of these pedals and am pretty close to the sound. (Thanks to you!) Can you let me know exactly how you ran the board here. Especially how you went into the looper. Want to make sure I am hooked up correctly. Is the big muff off the looper so when I go back to rhythm the Muff stays on? I want to get it run correctly. Thanks Eddie!

[@geraldcalifornia5923]

also a Peavey classic chorus 212 wit SUPER SAT Distortion can get those distortion sounds and less compresion

[@stephenbain5408]

Eddie, I love these videos. I am now thinking about getting an H9. Can you talk how you got the SOMA sounds on the H9?

[@vincescotti]

This is amazing I’m starting guitar and got a strat because I love the rhythm tone of SP. Do you think a boss ds1 could also give a similar vibe to this? I definitely want to get a big muff but I also like heavier tones

[@EddieClark]

Always great seeing more people start playing! A Boss DS1 is a different animal altogether but it's a great distortion sound. It may not sound like a muff BUT Pumpkins riffs will sound great if you use it anyways! Something to keep in mind is Billy himself never uses a muff live. 👍👍

[@vincescotti]

@@EddieClark Thank you for the reply. Im looking for a specific sound, distorted with a dash of pumpkins. Im going to try out the Boss DS1 and then get a muff later on

[@petebacken]

Hi mate, love your work. Thanks for the info, especially for the dist2 - I've been looking for a mxr dist ii clone for a while and this looks perfect. Thanks again. I'm also interested in the eventide harmonisor effect for soma intro. Which harmonisor are you using and what settings? Thanks.

[@EddieClark]

Thank you! I'm using an Eventide H9 so it will fit on a pedal board. The module in the H9 is called "Resonator". It allows you to set 4 steps of ascending (or descending) pitch filtered delay notes. In stereo mode, it does a left/right ping-pong that sounds amazing.

[@alexmalch]

it sounds super accurate. did you personally ask billy corgan to tell you the secret for his tone?

[@EddieClark]

Thanks! I wish lol. I'm just a nerdy gear head with too much time on his hands.

[@blviking56]

I believe that “squish” sound your referring to is a product of the Electro Harmonix Micro Synth. Tuesday night recording did a really good Siamese Dream video as well where they talk about it kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnzZlIWndr-Lj6s

[@EddieClark]

Easily could have been a Microsynth. I need one of those in my life! I'll give the Tuesday Recordding video a watch.m today. Thanks for watching!

[@blviking56]

@@EddieClark also the c414 really nails the sound I always thought it was the 421. Do you know with model of the c414 they used? I know there’s the XLS and the XLII

[@gabe2968]

To my ears the rhythm guitars sounded like it was miced up too far away? I don't know the album sounds a lot more direct without much room sound. But awesome either way sounds great. Edit: Nevermind you addressed it, seems my ears a bit better than I thought

[@EasyHeat]

FYI, another great way to tame/kill that noise on the cheap is to add a second (Cheap-o Amazon tuner behind all the gain pedals) I was chasing this tune a few years back w/ a Digitech Bad Monkey boosting an Op amp reissue into an old 80's Marshall LEAD 15 solid state mini stack (gain low/master high). Honestly sounded pretty awesome mic'd up! I no longer have that mini Marshall tho. : ( Damn... Now I'm all melancholy😐🤨🙃

[@jeremywinnett6352]

Remember as players:. You will, at best, feel like your are 79ish% there. The engineering makes uo a lot of itl too.

[@anitadick8391]

Okay so that last part about octaves and pitch shifting seems essential to the lead tone but it's kinda confusing. Would I add an octave down with a octave down pedal but than could I use a pitch shifter pedal (as opposed to recording and then pitch shifting post op) to add the octave up (and if the pedal allows an extra 7th)?

[@EddieClark]

In this video, I added one octave up and a 7th up for the recorded lead tone. Using the octave down was just to demonstrate that adding any octave effect into the lead gets somewhat the same effect on the leads.

[@anitadick8391]

@@EddieClark Okay so to clairfy I dont need an octave down just upwards and maybe an additonal 7th

[@smithr28]

Great video. Are you using the amp head also in amplitube or just the cabinet and speakers?

[@EddieClark]

Thanks 👍 Just the cabinet and speakers. The amp is the SC20 into a UA OX for its DI feature.

[@lukeingram7655]

I've always felt that in most things guitar related the first 85% of perfecting something is fairly easy for anyone who plays regularly, be it fingerings, tone, rhythm, etc. Cheers to you for working out a way to nab that last 10 or 15% and then sharing with all. I see you have other strats in your rack so I'm curious how much of a role you think the lace pickups have in getting the total sound versus standard single coil/humbuckers? crucial or just icing on the cake? Also just curious if you've ever tried a Zvex fuzz factory for lead? imho it nails that "exploding guitar" lead tone ala cherub rock w/o having to stack a bunch of gain pedals up

[@EddieClark]

Thanks for watching! I've never tried a fuzz factory but I'm sure I would love it. As for Cherub Rock, I figured out how to get 99% the way there without any tricks in post after the making of this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4qTkmlpaZhsmNk The Lace Sensors do play a role but I will be demonstrating that in my next tutorial video (going through each lead tone on Siamese Dream independently)