How to Spot the Danger Signs of Progressive Christianity in Your Church

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Alisa Childers

Alisa Childers

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@Emk315
@Emk315 4 жыл бұрын
As Augustine said, "If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself"
@amandahuntsman9276
@amandahuntsman9276 3 жыл бұрын
So well said!🙏👏👏
@pookie5247
@pookie5247 3 жыл бұрын
talking snakes and dudes being thrown into furnaces and walking out unscathed, and talking donkeys, and God exclaiming from heaven for all to hear, plus the Earth being created in just a few days...didn’t happen brother...if you say these things are allegories or metaphors then OK, but literal sorry no
@cliffcarbone555
@cliffcarbone555 3 жыл бұрын
Also said by Augustine - "Woman does not possess the image of God in herself but only when taken together with the male who is her head, so that the whole substance is one image. But when she is assigned the role as helpmate, a function that pertains to her alone, then she is not the image of God. But as far as the man is concerned, he is by himself alone the image of God just as fully and completely as when he and the woman are joined together into one."
@asiandod325
@asiandod325 3 жыл бұрын
@@cliffcarbone555 Bullshit.
@melofilobr9954
@melofilobr9954 3 жыл бұрын
@@pookie5247 Not believing literally ≠ not believing at all. These are different things bruv, and you are missing the point.
@ryanhikes14ers
@ryanhikes14ers 4 жыл бұрын
If you reduce the reality of the cross to an "inspiring story," it's no longer Christianity.
@autumxxleaves4186
@autumxxleaves4186 4 жыл бұрын
BOOM! Hits the nail on the head!!!
@escapedfromnewyork
@escapedfromnewyork 4 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Jurek.....yes, sir. It reduces it to one of those cheesy Hallmark Specials that used to be in TV. God is far greater than that. Beyond comprehension.
@sticky59
@sticky59 3 жыл бұрын
Let's face it ....yeah events from the old testament happened and have been verified but the new testament ....... just an inspiring story, and so inspiring the average guy can't even figure out what the meaning of it all is. It's about time the church came clean about this stuff and certainly this 'Jesus' allegory.
@autumxxleaves4186
@autumxxleaves4186 3 жыл бұрын
@@sticky59 try reading Matthew 24 ✨💕
@autumxxleaves4186
@autumxxleaves4186 3 жыл бұрын
@@sticky59 and history proves Christ’s existence btw
@LightofChristMinistries
@LightofChristMinistries 4 жыл бұрын
If the Apostles just walked around sharing Love and said God loves you as you are I'm sure they would not have been killed, hung upside down on a cross. They preached Jesus was the only way to Heaven, that we must deny ourselves and live for him 💯.
@danielcarpen
@danielcarpen 4 жыл бұрын
You sir win the daily double
@mikeymullins5305
@mikeymullins5305 4 жыл бұрын
You clearly don’t know anything about Roman history. Christians were a threat, not because they were loving, which they were, but because they posed an opposition to the state. They said that their followers shouldn’t follow the roman state or Roman gods, but instead only Jesus. You’d be surprised how little it takes for someone to kill another. All they need is one “they’re different,” before an inquisition starts.
@LightofChristMinistries
@LightofChristMinistries 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeymullins5305 I do understand Roman History you've totally misread my comment.
@mikeymullins5305
@mikeymullins5305 4 жыл бұрын
Your comment seemed to imply that early Christians were not loving people. Tell me how a religion of hate is spread? Would you convert to a new religion that insisted on hating other people? Clearly they were charismatic at least. They were persecuted because they were a threat to state.
@LightofChristMinistries
@LightofChristMinistries 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeymullins5305 I'm an Ex Muslim so I know how a religion of hate can spread via domination. Iove through a Biblical lense will offend someone to save their soul. That doesn't mean Love isn't patient, kind and gentle it means that the Apostles saw that eternity is more important that a few moments of feelings.
@natalierodri
@natalierodri 4 жыл бұрын
So good. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Christ defines the church.
@natalierodri
@natalierodri 4 жыл бұрын
@@stephenargent4010 i would say our understand of who Jesus is can definitely change as we grow closer in relationship with Him, and study His Word more intently!
@natalierodri
@natalierodri 4 жыл бұрын
@@stephenbyers5526 Hebrews 13:8
@stephenbyers5526
@stephenbyers5526 4 жыл бұрын
@@natalierodri there it is! but what does it mean?
@natalierodri
@natalierodri 4 жыл бұрын
@@stephenbyers5526 it means that Jesus Christ does not change.
@kdwarner5
@kdwarner5 4 жыл бұрын
Dangerous praying to Fake Name JESUS! As a matter of fact, the name ‘Jesus’ did not even exist in the English language 400 years ago-as evidenced by the fact that it was not recorded in the original 1611 King James Bible. But let's dissect that name anyway as that has come to be the accepted name of the Messiah today we need to address it. If the first part of the name 'Ιη' (Ie) comes from 'Iehovah' following the Jewish superstition not to use Yahuah thereby using Elohim in the vowel points resulting in ignorance of the name Jehovah. The Century Bible, Volume 1, pages 90-91 Sometime after the return from the Captivity, and before the beginning of the Christian Era, the Yahdaim (Jews) came to believe that the Holy Name Yahuah was too sacred to be uttered on ordinary occasions. It was said to be pronounced by the High Priest on the Day of Atonement. At other times, when any one read or quoted aloud from what is called the Old Testament, the word "Adonay","Lord," was usually substituted for Yahuah, and similarly the LXX (Septuagint Version) has Kurios, the Vulgate dominus, and the e.v. lord, where the Hebrew has Yahuah. Hebrew was originally written without vowels, but when the "vowel points" were added, the vowels of "Adonay" or "Elohim" were written with Yahuah, as a direction that these words were to be read instead of the word whose consonants were Yahuah; thus we find the combinations YeHoWaH and YeHoWiH. At the Reformation, the former being the more usual, was sometimes used as the Name of the (Mighty One) of Israyl, and owing to ignorance of its history was misread as "Jehovah," a form which has established itself in English, but does not give the pronunciation of the Holy Name it represents. Therefore the prefix of the name Je or (Ie) is in error. But does the suffix 'σους' (sous) mean 'saves' or 'salvation' in the Greek of the New Testament period? No. We know for a fact that "Iesous" was not then the proper way to translate the "intent" of the name given the Messiah that ‘Yahuah is salvation’ even in Greek or Latin. The Greek word for "salvation" is Strong’s entry 4991 soterion it is not sous. Strong's Number: 4992 soterion, adjective. Meaning saving, bringing salvation he who embodies this salvation, or through whom God is about to achieve it in the hope of (future) salvation So if the translators were even true to their own language it would not have been translated "Jesus" or "Iesous" but rather "Iasoterion". It must be obvious by this point where the suffix "seous" came from. Jesus holds to the Greek tradition of naming people after their pagan god of the Pantheon… Zeus. Why did the translator use "sous" instead of "soteria"? Greek naming conventions give glory to Zeus It should be noted at this point that the Greeks had a similar naming convention as did the Hebrews. Where the Hebrews used “YAH” in the construction of their names giving glory to Yahuah, the Greeks ended names and cities using “sous/sus/us” after their own god Zeus. Take for example the name of Julius Caesar “Gaius Julius” or the name of the Roman Emperor Constantine who literally created Christianity “Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus”. The suffix “us” was added to Greek and Roman names to give glory to Zeus where Yah was added to Hebrew names to give glory to Yahuah. Jesus is just such a Greek name like all Greek names ending in "us" that gives glory to Zeus! Dictionary of Christian Lore and Legend “It is known that the Greek name endings with sus, seus, and sous were attached by the Greeks to names and geographical areas as means to give honor to their supreme deity, Zeus." "This name of the true Messiah, Yahusha, being Hebrew, was objectionable to the Greeks and Romans, who hated the Judeans (Jews), and so it was deleted from the records, and a new name inserted. Yahusha was thus replaced by Ie-Sous (hail Zeus), now known to us as Jesus." Iesous in Greek So Yahusha is English for the Hebrew name of the Messiah (anointed King of Israel) and Jesus is the name of the Greek “savior” or Christos. It is that simple. But what does “Iesous” mean in Greek. It has no meaning in Hebrew; as it is not a Hebrew word. In Greek, “Iesous” literally translated means “Hail Zeus”. The name “Jesus” didn’t even exist until the 4th Century and was a later derivative of the late Latin Esus (pagan female god of salvation which later became Hesus or Hail Zeus then when the "I" grew a tail and became "J" it was Jesus. The Origin of Christianity by A.B. Traina "It is simply amazing to think that all these years, hundreds of years, mankind has been calling the Saviour by the wrong name!! It's hard to give up the name of Jesus because it's so deeply ingrained in us and much has been said and done in that name." Gospel of The Kingdom True Names and Title Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley 1931 - Ohio USA "In the 1611 KJ New Testament the name Yahusha appeared originally wherever the Messiah was spoken of. Yahusha means “Yahuah is Salvation”. Later the Messiah's name was replaced with Iesus (Greek) which later in the 1600's it became Jesus starting with the new English letter "J" which was introduced at that time. Further, the Greek "Iesus" comes from the name Zeus, the ruling God in the Greek pantheon." Gospel of The Kingdom True Names and Title Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley 1931 - Ohio USA 80 We see in historical documents that the name “Jesus” did not even come into existence until the 1600’s when the letter “J” was introduced into our English language. So the name “Jesus” is only around 400 years old! The Greek "Iesus" comes from the name Zeus, the ruling God in the Greek pantheon. "Jesus” is a transliteration of a Latin name only ONE letter off “Ioesus” pronounced hey-sus - which has no meaning in Hebrew, but in Latin it means “Hail Zeus”. If Yahusha’s name had been transliterated into our language, it would have been Joshua. If the name was treated properly using the compound naming convention Yahuah intended it would be YAH(weh)SHUA shortened to “Yahusha” using the short contracted form maintaining the meaning of the name and fulfilling prophecy that the Messiah “came in the NAME of Yahuah”. If the name was handled properly in Greek by the uninspired pagan scribes, it would hold true to the “meaning” of the name as given by the Angel to Joseph and Mary; then “shua” or salvation would have been translated “soterion or soter” not “sous”. So we see a gross mis-handling of the Messiah’s name at best but when you look back in history we see a Hellinization of the name with the intent to give glory to the pagan god Zeus. So both the prefix of "Ie" and the suffix of "sous" are in error and are mistranslations of the Hebrew name Yah and shua. If the Greek translators handled the Hebrew name properly it would have been translated into Iasotera which would be Yah-savior in Greek. In the 21st century we have no need to trace the Messiah's name through pagan Rome. We, today, can simply translate it directly from Hebrew to English leaving out all the transliteration errors going from Latin/Greek and all the English variations. That name is Yahusha… directly from יהושע Luke 13 35 “Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of Yahuah.’"
@jamesgorham7125
@jamesgorham7125 4 жыл бұрын
The grass withered flowers fades away but the Word of God should stand forever
@sunsetstormx
@sunsetstormx 5 күн бұрын
"Will" stand forever, not should.
@PockASqueeno
@PockASqueeno 4 жыл бұрын
“The Gospel shifts from sin and redemption to social justice.” This is why I left my church and am seeking a new one.
@ronlanter6906
@ronlanter6906 4 жыл бұрын
I did the same, on week 4 with my new "truly reformed" church!
@bradencampbell2422
@bradencampbell2422 4 жыл бұрын
During COVID, since we are unable to physically gather, I have been putting together "mini-services" for our church and making them available via my KZbin channel. The music is worshipful, and the sermons are biblical, expository, and truthful. You are more than welcome to virtually join us.... just follow the link below and click on PLAYLISTS every week. kzbin.info/door/3UMvMwa90OcQ9kVtzT8Uxgplaylists?view_as=subscriber
@seekinggodfirst754
@seekinggodfirst754 4 жыл бұрын
@@hannahbrakeman856 Your pastor drawing attention to racial inequalities in this country was cause for you to leave his church? His cry for racial justice is more than a political statement-it's a humanitarian one. It's a cry that's supported by God's word. The LORD God has told us what is right and what he demands: "See that justice is done, let mercy be your first concern, and humbly obey your God." (Micah 6:8)
@tuborg38
@tuborg38 4 жыл бұрын
@@seekinggodfirst754 social justice is a result of envy, and egoism. Which is satanistic. Do you come here and say that when victory over sin, and zealousness. Is exchanged with tolerance for liberalism. Sexual deviation, feminism, and otherwise humanitarian beliefs. That these things are godly, and righteous according to God. Then me and you have very different understanding of what it means to be Christian.
@seekinggodfirst754
@seekinggodfirst754 4 жыл бұрын
@@tuborg38 I said, according to Micah 6:8, that seeking justice, having compassion, and humble obedience is our duty towards God and others. When did crying out for the issues that scripture endorse equate to tolerance for sin? May God grant us a deeper awareness of His presence and His will as revealed in His word.
@istj777
@istj777 4 жыл бұрын
God showed me years ago about my being on the fence, thinking in terms of my complacency, lukewarmness..I saw it for the first time that this is not truth. Instead, the road is narrow, the word of God is black and white, there's no compromise. I have to decide today, whom will I serve. I cannot have it all ways, my ways; It's God's word and truth, HE speaks ,cutting right down the middle. The goats on one side and the sheep on the other. The wages of sin is death; we all have an outstanding debt only to be paid by Jesus Christ. If you think my way or the highway, think again because the road you're on is broad and paved with false truth, on its way to hell.
@ardbegthequestion
@ardbegthequestion 4 жыл бұрын
Before you were on the fence and then "came to truth", were you not confident that your view of God was correct, meaningful and that Jesus saved you? How do you know you're not on another false path that will lead you to some new understanding of you how you don't have it quite correctly right now?
@JV-jq4dt
@JV-jq4dt 4 жыл бұрын
@@ardbegthequestion that is a very good question......Moslims and atheist are also convinced of their view. However, the bible says that nobody can be excused (Romans 1:20). The bible gives many rules how to read the bible, one of them is Luke 8:15: with a noble and good heart. Another important rule is: Psalm 111:10 and Psalm 25:9
@ardbegthequestion
@ardbegthequestion 4 жыл бұрын
@@JV-jq4dt - you answered a different question. I am curious about you. Before you came to the “real truth”, did you not think that you had it to the same level of confidence? Maybe you previously never had high confidence in your faith, having unexplored doubts and a shallow faith that you knew wasn’t “all in”. Cycles of repeated sin, guilt and shame were common. But what happens a few year from now if you find yourself again in these patterns or come to some higher level of understanding or finding you had “wrong theology”. It seems to me, being on this journey myself, that being open to finding that I am wrong rather than digging further into certainty is a more wholistic path to truth.
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 4 жыл бұрын
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@ardbegthequestion
@ardbegthequestion 4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 do you need a cookie?
@JohnHH59
@JohnHH59 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully explained. Like most Christians, I've been a witness to everything you have stated; and no doubt, there are many who will water down the Word of God to find favor with man. If you truly love someone, you will tell them that sin separates us from Him; and that our Father loved us so much that He gave His only begotten Son to become sin for us. It is up to every one of us to be contrite, repent and turn to our Lord Jesus to have a genuine relationship with Him and be forgiven and released from all our sins.
@questionasker8791
@questionasker8791 4 жыл бұрын
A genuine relationship.. do you get that directly from being in touch with the Holy Spirit, or through the translations of the interpretations of some men who were in touch with the Holy Spirit thousands of years ago?
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 4 жыл бұрын
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@EuroGuy85
@EuroGuy85 4 жыл бұрын
They should’ve never watered down these words! Why do we have a two day weekend when god only requires one? And what’s with bacon? Yuck right, according to god. 1) Exodus 21:7 - "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do. 2) 35:2 - "On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the sabbath of complete rest to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day shall be put to death." 3) Leviticus 11:7-8 - “7) and the pig, which does indeed have hoofs and is cloven-footed, but does not chew the cud and is therefore unclean for you. 8) Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall not touch; they are unclean for you."
@josflorida5346
@josflorida5346 3 жыл бұрын
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
@williamchildress5869
@williamchildress5869 2 жыл бұрын
@@questionasker8791 Let’s toss out language, mathematics, and all science because the thousands of years of accumulated knowledge mean nothing. So just stop writing because it is meaningless.
@fanycabrera
@fanycabrera 4 жыл бұрын
I use to think progressively until God showed me His way. Thank you Alisa for seeking God and giving of us a better understanding. Praying that God uses me to defend His word, no matter the circumstances. All for His glory.
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 4 жыл бұрын
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@annasthoughtsandmusicalpar2239
@annasthoughtsandmusicalpar2239 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that’s inspiring.
@fanycabrera
@fanycabrera 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus is God.
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 4 жыл бұрын
@@fanycabrera Who is his God?? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@fanycabrera
@fanycabrera 4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 You don’t know him, but I do. If I said I didn’t know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him, and I keep his word. Your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see my day. He saw it and was happy." "You aren’t even 50 years old!" the Jewish opposition replied. "How can you say that you have seen Abraham?" "I assure you," Jesus replied, "before Abraham was, I Am." John 8:55‭-‬58
@blong257
@blong257 4 жыл бұрын
I attended a church that the sermons where more like attending a seminar than heart felt soul convicting sermons. So I left, and the one I am at now is more biblically in line.
@seanmartin3973
@seanmartin3973 4 жыл бұрын
Before just leaving a church you think is progressive, sit down with a leader at that church (or multiple leaders). Ask them questions about their faith and seek to understand where they are coming from. Then, if their views do not align with your's, leave. Don't just get up and walk out. Give them a chance to be clear and concise about what they believe. Then decide.
@standunitedorfall1863
@standunitedorfall1863 3 жыл бұрын
Their views shouldn't line up with mine, but should line up with the Bible's. God is the author of the Bible, and it is His views that are written therein.
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 3 жыл бұрын
Ideally, that's also what one should do when JOINING a church. It can also be very indicative of what sort of culture is prevalent in that church; Whether it's leadership is open to discourse and questions or whether they have an autocratic leadership style that must not be questioned under any circumstances. I for my part would rather be in a church under the former kind of leadership, even if there are some (non-essential ! ) disagreements on theology than the latter.
@elavaney6018
@elavaney6018 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that liberals know how to use the right terms to passify conservative Christians all the while using an alternative definition of those terms. I just left a church where the pastor had been a student of RC Sproul's when in seminary but would quote the likes of Rob Bell and other far left liberals who reject the historic doctrines RC Sproul taught. Listening to this way almost made me dizzy as one minute he was quoting RC Sproul or Augustine and then it was Tim Keller, Rob Bell, Bill Hybills or some other far left pastor. He appears to be so open minded that nothing is off limits to him.
@seanmartin3973
@seanmartin3973 3 жыл бұрын
@@elavaney6018 That's probably the first time I've heard Tim Keller and Bill Hybels referred to as 'far left'.
@raptorhandz
@raptorhandz 3 жыл бұрын
@@standunitedorfall1863 You believe God wrote the bible?
@noyebalmer8112
@noyebalmer8112 4 жыл бұрын
"Progressive" Christianity is a new age Christo-philosophy. A mixing of God's truth and man's reasoning/emotion. It is as old as Satan's temptation of Eve in the Garden of Eden. It is Evil. Flee! Nice work Alisa. Well stated and well produced. Thank you!
@alrensha7479
@alrensha7479 3 жыл бұрын
Not evil
@noyebalmer8112
@noyebalmer8112 3 жыл бұрын
@@alrensha7479 okay, NOT of the Holy Spirit...of the Devil
@josflorida5346
@josflorida5346 3 жыл бұрын
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
@noyebalmer8112
@noyebalmer8112 3 жыл бұрын
@@josflorida5346 Very true. HoweverIt is interesting to note that Paul doesn’t seem to prohibit a woman from evangelism or teaching outside of the context of the congregational setting. The subject would be worth further contextual study In the original text
@josflorida5346
@josflorida5346 3 жыл бұрын
@@noyebalmer8112 i guess im getting at if your gonna push anti progressive then the question is.. How far we going back? She needs to be ready if she is gonna shun the gays or other groups instead of letting them be a part of the community as what your saying is the same argument "progressive" churches use. She did say it wasn't about feeling or bending interpretation so im playing by her rules. I myself am agnostic but i feel its fair we be able to discuss this stuff. I grew up in a Christian household so i am rather versed so imma do my best to be respectful since religion is important to us all and a sensitive matter.
@carrieroberts5611
@carrieroberts5611 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, a lot of people are scared to challenge churches these days but going to a church with false teaching is dangerous and destructive
@EuroGuy85
@EuroGuy85 4 жыл бұрын
Well, considering how the church dealt with the Spanish Inquisition, I’d say people should shit their pants if they’re thinking of going against Jesus’ academy!
@conscienceaginBlackadder
@conscienceaginBlackadder 2 жыл бұрын
with 57 varieties of churches, many of them believing in Bible infallibility yet interpreting completely different things from it, every one is statistically likely to be false.
@noraps7686
@noraps7686 3 жыл бұрын
This is great. I'm grateful for my church and pastor who preaches the whole counsel of God.
@elissabellajoy
@elissabellajoy 3 жыл бұрын
Amen. Same here. Super blessed.
@houstonburkhead5188
@houstonburkhead5188 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot overstate how great and important this video is. She is absolutely hitting the nail on the head. Every christian needs to see this.
@dzizitv3228
@dzizitv3228 4 жыл бұрын
Clear, no-fluff, & straight to the point. Thank you.
@esthershih5575
@esthershih5575 4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 he did actually say he was God. John 8:58 “Before Abraham was, I AM.” And while Jesus didn’t directly say it, it reads in John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD.”
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 3 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 Jesus literally says "I and the father are one". And as esther pointed out, he literally uses Gods own name, "I AM" referring to himself. Jesus is God, the bible isn't ambiguous about that AT ALL. The fact that you list scriptures that describe the two as distinct doesn't refute that. It just illustrates why the concept of the trinity is a thing. You are a little less than 2000 years too late with your arguments here, we've had that debate.
@bryanlovesjesus2204
@bryanlovesjesus2204 3 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 “whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” ‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭ “looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,” ‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭ “Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:” ‭‭II Peter‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭ “of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:5‬ ‭ Hebrews chapter one - “For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭
@bryanlovesjesus2204
@bryanlovesjesus2204 3 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 my bad for not making myself clear,My reply was just showing scripture we’re Jesus is called God, The Father is YHWH. So is your point that Jesus is not God? And that the father and Jesus are not one? I’m also confused
@bryanlovesjesus2204
@bryanlovesjesus2204 3 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 so who is Jesus saying he is when he says he’s the “I AM” from the burning bush in Exodus 3:14, and said “I AM” in John 8:58? I AM was the name YHWH told Moses his name was and to say ““I AM” has sent me to you” to the people he went to deliver (if I remember the last part correctly) Also, how can you read the Bible and not come to a realization that Jesus is God?
@paulowens8972
@paulowens8972 4 жыл бұрын
Your "comments you might hear" brings this to life!
@real_emeldah
@real_emeldah 3 жыл бұрын
God is not gonna edit His word for this generation. His word never changes. Ever. And the interpretation of it does not change with time. The message is the same today everyday. 🤷‍♀️
@JulioVonGhoulio
@JulioVonGhoulio 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how the word that never changes has been altered countless times over the centuries. Not to mention that its a translation of a translation of a translation. Not to mention it's a poorly written fairytale. But yeah, sure, it's totally real and never changed even once. lol I guess you really do have to be stupid and gullible to actually be religious. lol
@elavaney6018
@elavaney6018 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, and what was sin 50 or 100 or 1,000 years ago is still today today even if it's not politically correct to say so.
@JulioVonGhoulio
@JulioVonGhoulio 3 жыл бұрын
@@elavaney6018 Sin - An imaginary disease made up to sell an imaginary cure.
@kiera6326
@kiera6326 3 жыл бұрын
But there are millions of different interpretations. The interpretations change based on what is “the norm” for that culture. The bible was WRITTEN to begin with under those same circumstances. Christians today will interpret stoning children as “metaphor” or “no longer applicable.” Frankly, if you aren’t one of those Christians, I think you need to be asking yourself questions to do with morality. The bible was intentionally written to be interpreted in many ways so it can resonate with a wider audience, despite also ruling through fear.
@thetruthinhim8862
@thetruthinhim8862 4 жыл бұрын
If your church has any of these symptoms don't walk away from your church, run away!
@RealityCheck6T9
@RealityCheck6T9 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelTheophilus906 is it that bad where you are?
@a.kamileon
@a.kamileon 3 жыл бұрын
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@GOLDSMITHEXILE
@GOLDSMITHEXILE 4 жыл бұрын
I visited a church a while ago, within minutes the"leader" stated we arent bible bashers here....I was tuned out immediately, I left, and never returned
@American-Jello
@American-Jello 4 жыл бұрын
What is a 'bible-basher' and why is it bad not to be one? I've never heard this term.
@GOLDSMITHEXILE
@GOLDSMITHEXILE 4 жыл бұрын
@@American-Jello Its an english derogatory term for someone who takes God's word seriously, sort of like "holy roller" in America? Unfortunately, a lot of churches nowadays go out of their way to distance themselves from the "pharisaical" "judgemental" word of God, and instead desperately want to be liked on social media by promoting a "progressive" social gospel of good works and entertainments
@American-Jello
@American-Jello 4 жыл бұрын
@@GOLDSMITHEXILE Ahh, gotcha, now I understand. Thank you for that explanation! I am relatively new in the faith, and whenever I don't understand something I make a point to ask. I find it so strange that anyone (or any church, for that matter) would bother to say they were Christian but then would want to distance themselves from Bible doctrine. It seems so...counterproductive? Sadly, I'm noticing this seems to be a growing trend. The very consistency of God and his clear and well-defined intended path for us to follow is a huge part of what drew me to Him in the first place. Without Him, we are just a bumbling bunch of confusion and chaos, at least that's my view. Thank you again for your reply!
@GOLDSMITHEXILE
@GOLDSMITHEXILE 4 жыл бұрын
@@American-Jello believe me theres all sorts of competing weirdnesses ingratiating themselves into what is called "the church". But you wont go wrong if you focus on reading the word of God and praying. Its not necessarily glamorous, or terribly popular, but its the God-given time honoured secret to growing and maturing in Christ. I been saved 30+ years, but its really only the last 12 months where the scripture that says "your word is more precious to me than thousands of pieces of silver and gold" has developed real depth of reality and meaning. And even if some crazy lefty loony takes my bibleaway, its printed inside me now! "With JOY you will draw water from the wells of salvation"
@RAYoung-ie3cf
@RAYoung-ie3cf 4 жыл бұрын
I think you mean bible-thumper. To bash something is to criticize it. Sounds like you walked away from a church that takes it more seriously than you thought.
@paulowens8972
@paulowens8972 4 жыл бұрын
When the Son of Man comes will He find faith on the earth?
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 4 жыл бұрын
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@jamescurtis9267
@jamescurtis9267 4 жыл бұрын
That verse could literally be translated as "will He find the faith on the earth."
@logiberra418
@logiberra418 4 жыл бұрын
I think you would be surprised by the faith of God’s people in other parts of the world! I think there will be great faith on earth when he returns!
@jamescurtis9267
@jamescurtis9267 4 жыл бұрын
@@logiberra418 I think men give themselves much credit, when their thinking still do not esteem their God and value Him for who He is. Men down play His rights over them and consider Him a little above the angels, when He is much more than everything else put togeather.
@dctrbrass
@dctrbrass 3 жыл бұрын
It sure feels like God's conversation with Abraham (before destroying Sodom/Gomorrah...Gen. 18), these days.
@rogermetzger7335
@rogermetzger7335 4 жыл бұрын
From my perspective, fundamentalists and evangelicals share a common problem. It is easy enough for a person to say he takes the Bible “literally”. But every person I have ever met who claimed to take the Bible literally has simply agreed with what he was taught about which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally and which parts are not. Such people manage to place enough emphasis on the parts they take literally that they manage (or at least seem to manage) to ignore the parts they don’t take literally. In the sixteenth century, the puritans took such Bible texts as Galatians 3:29 literally. "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (See also Matt. 3:9, Rom. 9:6-8, Rom. 11, Gal. 3:7 & 9, Eph. 2:11-19) The puritans who aspired to build a puritan society in North America thought of themselves as Israelites and thought of North America (or at least their own colonies in North America) as the new Israel. They also applied the phrase “new Jerusalem” to their concept of an ideal society in North American, apparently not taking literally the description in Revelation 21:2 “And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” In their quest to rid themselves of the doctrines of the Roman Church, the New England puritans were diligent to take the instructions of Exodus 16:23 literally “...To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.” The New England puritans did no baking and no cooking on Sunday, having prepared their sabbath meals beforehand. Apparently they did not take literally the instruction in Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” The instruction about preparing meals before the sabbath day was in the context of the giving of the manna (Ex. 16) so there could hardly have been any question about which day of the week there was a double portion of manna or on which day the Lord rested, i.e. the day of the week when no manna appeared. In the nineteenth century, the law of the conservation of matter (aka the conservation of mass) was taught as a “scientific principle”. In an attempt to reconcile the creation account in Genesis with the law of the conservation of matter, Joseph Smith Jr. taught that the God of Genesis “created” things on Earth but only in the sense of rearranging existing matter. In a manner reminiscent of the theology of the puritans, Smith taught that believers (i.e. his followers) constituted modern Israel but made a distinction between them and “the Jews”. As I understand their teaching, LdS (Mormons) in the twenty-first century teach that the modern political nation in the Middle East should more properly be called Judea (because it is populated primarily by the “Jewish” descendants of the southern of the kingdoms that split after the reign of Solomon). It was also in the nineteenth century that John Nelson Darby developed a way to deny the “literalism” of the puritans with regard to the identity of Israel. While not explicitly denying that the church is “spiritual” Israel, Darby developed the doctrine that the promises to Israel and the prophecies about Israel should be understood as applying to “literal” Israel, i.e. the “literal” descendants of the patriarch, Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. Beginning in the middle of the twentieth century, fiat creationists could point to Colossians 1:12-17 as evidence that matter and energy are interchangeable and that, if the God of Genesis 1 was the source of unlimited power (energy), he could literally create matter by converting that energy into matter. “Giving thanks unto the Father...Who hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:...For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” In the twenty-first century, I think most people in the United States tend to understand the word “fundamentalist” and “fundamentalism” as relating more to enthusiasm for a particular interpretation of the Bible or the Qur’an than to the “literalism” that may have been part of the early development of such an interpretation. When that kind of religious enthusiasm is combined with enthusiasm for a particular political doctrine, it produces something about which many people can get excited - an us-vs-them mentality. Maybe, instead of trying to divide Christianity into opposing camps of “conservative Christianity” and “progressive Christianity” (or denying that progressives are ‘“really” Christians), we should consider a third approach to this subject. To the conservatives of the sixteenth century, Luther’s doctrines were heretical because they were progressive. To the English of the eighteenth century, the Wesley brothers doctrines were heretical because they were progressive. Maybe, instead of insisting that a particular Bible interpretation is “historical”, we should encourage people to study the history of the Christian church so each can decide for himself when a particular emphasis originated and the context of such origins. Example: Dispensationalist/futurist eschatology is popular among Christians who think of themselves as conservative. They think it is THE historical method of Bible interpretation. In fact, not only did that interpretation of Bible prophecy not exist before the nineteenth century and was not widely taught before the twentieth century, it is in some ways antithetical to both the methods and eschatology of practically all protestants of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Be careful. If you appeal to what you consider to be historical Christian doctrine, you may find that you have painted yourself into a corner.
@rogermetzger7335
@rogermetzger7335 4 жыл бұрын
@@lexw.4467 My parents were diligent to teach my siblings and me about history. Mom was very knowledgeable about geography but even she placed more emphasis on history. I wish more people would study history. If you have any resources (time, money or other) that you can devote to encouraging people to study history, please let me know, even if it is to only tell me about some of the ways you have been doing that.
@taminsocal3084
@taminsocal3084 4 жыл бұрын
We cannot add to God's holy word, nor take from it. The Great Apostasy Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 Timothy 4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
@jimdubya5425
@jimdubya5425 4 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Jones what Bible version do you use to avoid “ignorant medieval beliefs”?
@kero-c8f
@kero-c8f 3 жыл бұрын
We aren't adding or taking anything out of the scriptures. It's simply an interpretation, like any other Christian doctrine.
@johnkaraphillis754
@johnkaraphillis754 4 жыл бұрын
I’m so grateful for a strong, biblically sound, and unashamed woman ofGod like yourself. Great example as you follow the example of Christ!
@wetlandweasel
@wetlandweasel 4 жыл бұрын
I left a church who holds to a low view of the Bible and the Lord to one who holds a high view of Holy Scriptures and the Lord.
@stephenbyers5526
@stephenbyers5526 4 жыл бұрын
how did god respond to that?
@wetlandweasel
@wetlandweasel 4 жыл бұрын
@@stephenbyers5526 God is blessing thenew church with the ability and the capacity to expand to a larger space without requiring the congregants to contribute for the additional cost of the extra space. This church is growing by leaps and bounds. Every Sunday is getting more crowded. However, the old church is undergoing financial problems. That is how God is responding to that!
@stephenbyers5526
@stephenbyers5526 4 жыл бұрын
@@wetlandweasel but are hearts and minds being transformed? financial success was never a marker for Jesus. in fact, it seemed that his goal was to question the status quo. his teachings were difficult, not popular
@wetlandweasel
@wetlandweasel 4 жыл бұрын
@@stephenbyers5526 Yes, of course hearts and minds are being transformed. The word of God does not go out and return void. Whose goal are you referring to? Who was questioning the status quo? What is the status quo? Whose teachings were difficult and not popular?
@wetlandweasel
@wetlandweasel 4 жыл бұрын
@Reicher Reinhardt Von kesselring This is not a mega church in fact it meets every Sunday at a coffee shop for worship. I have met the congregants there and they are very knowledgeable about the various doctrines of reformed theology.
@thatsmynamesowhat2949
@thatsmynamesowhat2949 4 жыл бұрын
Alsa! I can’t explain to you how grateful I am of the work you’re doing. I also see postmodernism, and progressivism infiltrating the church too and it’s most concerning. So many churches are really going the way of culture and it’s the few people like you that are preserving the truth. Thank you!
@bigdave1579
@bigdave1579 4 жыл бұрын
Progressive so-called Christianity is the most appropriate term.
@finchborat
@finchborat 3 жыл бұрын
It can also be called knockoff Christianity.
@finchborat
@finchborat 3 жыл бұрын
@@rhinohorn9632 No. That only applies to liberal Christianity. Conservative Christianity is more rooted in the Word compared to the Christian Left.
@kiera6326
@kiera6326 3 жыл бұрын
No. It’s just called Christianity. Liberal Christians will call you “tyrants” because they don’t agree with your views. But you all worship the same God and live, albeit differently, by the same book. Therefore, you’re all just as valid in your Christianity as each other, regardless of whether or not you agree with it.
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 3 жыл бұрын
I would argue that if these ideas have taken over a church, they have left Christianity and belong to a whole 'nother religion.
@romariosenior2865
@romariosenior2865 3 жыл бұрын
Precisely
@LibertarianLatina
@LibertarianLatina 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Their religion is the state.
@brandova83
@brandova83 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on. I only wish they'd see it that way and stop misrepresenting Christ and His Word. Write your own Bible or sacred document, and make up your own religion and god because you're not following the God of the Bible.
@cranch803
@cranch803 4 жыл бұрын
The subjectivity of progressive “churches” is always going to fall in stark contrast of the objective truth of God’s Holy Word
@michaelfisher7170
@michaelfisher7170 4 жыл бұрын
I've heard that said about churches who are feeding homeless people, because its "not teaching them self sufficiency". Sorry, American Christianity has lost itself in American cultural mythology. When a Christian deems himself righteous by watching another starve? Yeah, that isn't what Christ taught by a long shot.
@kevinerose
@kevinerose 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfisher7170 The average lifespan of a homeless person is 2 years. Typically they die from drug overdose, over exposure to the elements, and homicide rather than starving. Instead of complaining about Christians, why don't you take a few into your home and learn them how to earn money?
@michaelfisher7170
@michaelfisher7170 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinerose And there's the American Christian response I'd expected! Thank you for that. See...as I'm not a Christian I'm not called to do that....but I do help out at shelters...do you, good Christian? "Why aren't YOU doing something? WHY should I have to give MY time or money?" Because the founder of your religion said you should? But you want to place the onus on ME? This is exactly why I'm no longer Christian and will not commune with them. I can only speak for what I see in this country, the USA. Christianity here is nothing...NOTHING more than a "show up on Sunday and slap some cash on the offering plate" club. And its not even that popular anymore. Most Sundays at any church what you see are older folk. Where are all those families? Where are the "Christian men"? Your argument isn't with me, I can only speak for what I observe. Your gripe is with what your religion has become in this nation. And as a postscript, great empathy being shown your fellow man....death by homicide, death by element exposure...death by drug abuse. Yeah..why should YOU raise your oh so righteous and forgiven hand to do a thing? Brilliant.
@kevinerose
@kevinerose 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfisher7170 So why aren't you called to do that? And what makes you think a Christian is called to do that?
@michaelfisher7170
@michaelfisher7170 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinerose Well, the New Testament made me think it, since it is replete with calls to serve others....examples, you ask? Ok...but doesn't your pastor quote these things....oh, wait..American Christianity...probably not.....Peter 4:10, Matthew 20: 27-28, Romans 12: 9-13, Acts 20:35, Phillipians 2:4, Galatians 5:13, Matthew 23:11, Mark 10:45, 1 Peter 4:10, Matthew 20:27-28, and the one most bothersome to American Christians, Matthew 25:40....Christ himself saying that aid to others is a sacrament to himself. See? I grew up learning the Bible. I know...what it says. I have found that people leaving the faith know it better than the one's most loudly claiming to BE of the faith. And the very fact that you should ask...what makes me think a Christian is called to serve his fellow man...makes me think your Biblical and scriptural study is not up to par. Its the damned foundation of Christian teaching. America..where Christianity comes to die......
@mbal4052
@mbal4052 4 жыл бұрын
You are describing the Laodicean church of the end times. God bless you sister, I’m glad you came up on my KZbin recommendations 🙏🏼
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 3 жыл бұрын
I think it sounds more like the Pergamese or Thyatiran church (has believers, but is seriously infected by paganism and false doctrine) than the Laodicean church.
@sakuraesther6309
@sakuraesther6309 2 жыл бұрын
What about the churches that are too strict on one group and linient on sinners .Example too strict on wives who struggle with submission and linient on men who abuse their wives???
@mjowsey
@mjowsey 2 жыл бұрын
The bible is happy for a little bit of wife beet'n'
@romellerodrigueza6695
@romellerodrigueza6695 4 жыл бұрын
i think i may have become a progressive Christian without realizing it.. but thank you for this video there is still time for me to change..
@jessicaaye3738
@jessicaaye3738 4 жыл бұрын
In Jesus's name 🙏🏾
@robertpreisser3547
@robertpreisser3547 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honesty and for sharing! May God’s Word prove itself “profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness” in your life!
@robertpreisser3547
@robertpreisser3547 3 жыл бұрын
@Aisha Noor No one is justifying atrocities done by many white people. If no one has said it, I will apologize to you for the hurt and pain you and your family is carrying. And I will do so even though most of my own ancestors weren’t even in the country until long after slavery and Jim Crow and segregation were ended. The few distant relatives I do have include one who died fighting to end slavery, and another worked in the underground railroad to save escaped slaves. None of my relatives owned slaves. But rather than being defensive, I will acknowledge that inexcusable harm was indeed caused to your family, and your pain is real and needs to be acknowledged. And yet you are here claiming your post reflects Christianity. I will also ask how your comment reflects Jesus? How does this represent the Jesus who opened salvation to all people of all races by dying to save them? The Jesus who said of the very people KILLING him, “Forgive them, for they no not what they do”? Where is forgiveness in your heart? You are allowing your pain to take you down a self-destructive road. Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” Matthew 6:14-15 “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Holding to unforgiveness is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. It only hurts you. It does not free you, does not bring healing, and will never lead you to becoming more like Jesus.
@toddr3644
@toddr3644 3 жыл бұрын
@Aisha Noor Evil deeds by "your people?" That statement alone says you have not devoted yourself to the Christ or the Bible. Do you honestly see Christ ever speaking of "your people?" We face judgement alone. Just as Christ hung alone on his cross. God doesn't care about race, but you do. Put that down. It is a barrier to Truth and a barrier to embracing your fellow man.
@williamkaska7085
@williamkaska7085 3 жыл бұрын
its good to know that at least one person that fell prey to the progressive movement actually questioned it. some do the decontruction, deconversion thing and mindlessly assume that christianity does'nt work.
@JleeSyd6564
@JleeSyd6564 4 жыл бұрын
I like my Gospel straight no chaser and thats how I present it. Every Christian should take God's Word seriously, literally, and factually. FYI there are no contradictions.
@QuantumParticle
@QuantumParticle 4 жыл бұрын
@The Sight of Sound what contradictions are you talking about?
@_jesss
@_jesss 3 жыл бұрын
@The Sight of Soundthis is an example to number three on the list explained in this video
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 3 жыл бұрын
@The Sight of Sound Turning the other cheek is an advice to not create blood feuds over petty squabbles, there is always an appropriate time for war which is decided by God.
@mitchellbovard141
@mitchellbovard141 3 жыл бұрын
in this world of total confusion everywhere, I know you and I can always shut out everything and open our bibles and read God's word and communicate directly with Him without any corrupt input. God bless you.
@hobartborger5064
@hobartborger5064 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this is excellent. We hear these comments, all too frequently. Saddens me. I will share this. Bless you.
@augsburgbiblechannel9246
@augsburgbiblechannel9246 4 жыл бұрын
I have learned that watching out for what is not being said from the pulpit can be just as important as hearing what is being said from the pulpit. In some cases what is left out is the key issue.
@kevinerose
@kevinerose 4 жыл бұрын
So true and it starts with knowing what is in the Bible. I always try to listen to the pulpit sermon in relation to my understanding of the Bible. If something doesn't jive, I'll go back to the Bible to make sure either way. Many times the preacher is wrong but there are times when my thinking was wrong too.
@augsburgbiblechannel9246
@augsburgbiblechannel9246 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinerose I remember my freshman intro to theology class professor. He denied everything from miracles to Resurrection to the Holy Spirit. I asked him in class one day what people say when he preaches this sort of thing from the pulpit. And his response was he would never say those things from the pulpit - didn't want to disturb anyone's faith. He was a wolf and sheep's clothing obviously.
@samuelboudreau2824
@samuelboudreau2824 4 жыл бұрын
You nailed it. Its so common to listen to Pastors that try to make the bible fit in to the culture. But we have to encourage the culture to follow the bible. Christians are allowing the culture to impact them instead of the church impacting the culture.
@elisabethericka8816
@elisabethericka8816 4 жыл бұрын
I t is so good to read the comments and know that there are others that see through this false Progressive Christianity. And like what evetybody else is writing , i am finding it hard to find a true church these days. They all have been infilterated with these false teachings. Thank you Alisa and all the other women out there who are standing strong in the word and not promoting smoke in mirrors but feeding on the bread of life which is Gods word. We need to encourage each other so we dont feel isolated.
@aimeearvelo3597
@aimeearvelo3597 4 ай бұрын
Praying for you Elizabeth! You are not alone!! If you have the Spirit of the Lord in you, you are a child of God and our sister, we are with you but there is one more powerful and faithful who has promised to guide you, be around you, in you and with you even till the end. So don't fear!! Walk knowing you have a father that will not aloud any harm come to you! Stand firm in what you were tought and you have believed! 🤟
@brandijohnson1396
@brandijohnson1396 3 жыл бұрын
I think one the biggest problems is people are not reading the Bible for themselves and they are denying the power of the Word - somehow thinking WE determine someone's salvation depending on how we present the Word. Thank you for this video!
@petrosaguilar8916
@petrosaguilar8916 3 жыл бұрын
This progressive "Christianity" is the natural continuation of the Protestant reformation, really deformation. Let every person read the Bible and draw his own conclusions and base his entire faith on this gets us here. The one True Catholic Faith is where all need to return as it is Christ only Church and the only path to salvation.
@KathyakaNina
@KathyakaNina 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the signs Alisa. I was worried if my church was but it’s not, thank the Lord! I pray for God’s guidance over anyone leaving a progressive church that is finding a new church that is more Bible based on historical Christianity.
@hankvinson5967
@hankvinson5967 4 жыл бұрын
In 10 years at a Presbyterian USA church never heard the word sin, EVER! And social justice was heavily emphasized.
@danchrist7678
@danchrist7678 4 жыл бұрын
I grew up in a PC USA church. I now am at a Bible believing non-denominational church. Nothing wrong with Social Justice but for PC USA it is over the top. And you are right. No mention of sin.
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 4 жыл бұрын
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@EuroGuy85
@EuroGuy85 4 жыл бұрын
Hank, maybe no one was sinning; isn’t that what god wants from people more than anything? Mike: you don’t need the word women, lesbian covers it. Unless there are any lesbian men or other genders that I wasn’t made aware of.
@EuroGuy85
@EuroGuy85 4 жыл бұрын
Mikey, true; not all women are lesbians, just like not all men are lesbians. I should’ve paid more attention to math class when they taught Venn diagrams. Thanks.
@hankvinson5967
@hankvinson5967 3 жыл бұрын
@Aisha Noor have you ever heard of the word forgiveness?
@browncow4092
@browncow4092 4 жыл бұрын
Spot-on. You cannot have GOD your way. HE is THE WAY on HIS terms, not ours... I'm glad!!!
@jmfoty4280
@jmfoty4280 3 жыл бұрын
You are 100% on target. I heard messages that left me uncomfortable at first. Soon it became obvious. I believe the Holy Spirit was helping me discern the warning signs. I am now searching for a church that actually teaches the Word of God without placing one hand in the world to tickle ears.
@theduchessofkitty4107
@theduchessofkitty4107 3 жыл бұрын
Never attended this one Methodist church in town, but my children’s GS troop met there. One of my girls was completing a project to hand in to the host church and I drove her to hand in her work, when I met this church member. She was very kind-hearted and all, but then she told me she was a Reiki “master” - and her fellow church members and pastors were OK with that! Talk about wolves running the sheep farm! When COVID made our meetings impossible, my troop disbanded - but I was so glad to be as far away from that church as possible. You will not see me again inside a non-Bible-based church.
@christophersmith7412
@christophersmith7412 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Wales and unfortunately my personal experience is that Methodist churches are just social clubs where generic moralism is taught to make people feel better about themselves. The exception to this seems to be the Calvinistic Methodists and I believe that having their theology more firmly rooted in the tradition of the protestant reformers has helped galvanise them against the rot of liberalism and apostacy, although it has not made them completely immune.
@williamkaska7085
@williamkaska7085 3 жыл бұрын
im doing a lot of research lately...ive been of the christian faith for over 20 years, and just now realizing what ive been seeing in churches. we arent taught in church the dark side of christiany. usually only taught to find a local church, attend services, do a few things to fit in (called serving the lord). but over the years, i just kept picking up this strange knowing that somethings just wrong. i could never pin point what it was until just the last year or so. i was visiting a church in omaha nebraska, and just before going on florida vacation, God gave me a heads up warning not go go back...omaha nebraska is getting nailed by progressive churches. a new church from oklahoma just moved in to elkhorn nebraskas back porch. i got the same sense of warning. come to find out, this is progressive. for those of us that actually do know Jesus, God keeps us safe. its just mind blowing of how much this is spreading, seemingly overnight! i had visited another church kind of in elkhorn nebraska, shared Gods word a bit about who we are in Christ, and after only two weeks, was escorted out the door asked never to return. Gods word does tell us, there will be days like this, its just twilight zoneish when youre right in the middle of an episode, like, far out, not funny, but still far out. now i know.
@llb2233
@llb2233 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Alissa I have a question for you. My husband and I left a church that has progressive aspects along with word of faith and prosperity teachings, of course we are concerned and care for the people that are still there. My question is how do you talk to these people should we try and how do even start. Any suggestions?
@lm8467
@lm8467 4 жыл бұрын
Have them watch the American Gospel documentary, part 1 & 2. It’s a wonderful tool to use. If you haven’t watched it please do so. However, be prepared for some to cut you out completely and those who take heed will leave the church. To God be the glory of all those He is pulling out of false doctrine and teachers!
@catherinesummers5057
@catherinesummers5057 4 жыл бұрын
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after themselves shall they heap teachers, having itching ears.... The Scripture then says we hold do the work of an evangelist... preach the Gospel, be instant, in season, out of season.... To those who are perishing, who may listen to us if we open our mouths to them and speak the Truth💓
@psalm1197
@psalm1197 4 жыл бұрын
I have found that she does not answer questions put to her in these comments sections. I've tried several times but to no avail.
@Charlie-xp9lq
@Charlie-xp9lq 4 жыл бұрын
@@psalm1197 A lot of Christians that have these sites are more interested in money from adds and merchandise sales rather than ministering to those in need . I've seen many hurting , confused and desperate questions asked of these so called ministers only to be met with silence .
@psalm1197
@psalm1197 4 жыл бұрын
Charlie yes I think I agree with you. There are a couple of small-time Christian channels, like Frisch Perspective, that answer directly but that's unusual for sure! Oh well. I thank God the Bible has not been banned yet where I live and all the answers we need are found in the Word itself.
@acaseoffamily5248
@acaseoffamily5248 4 жыл бұрын
Ew. Yikes...I've thought or said some of these things! I thought I was thinking biblically. Definitely have been led astray a bit.
@queenofprops
@queenofprops 4 жыл бұрын
Praise God for His gentle correction of us!
@nebulaone908
@nebulaone908 4 жыл бұрын
Repent, ask God to continue to reveal the truth to you.
@kevinerose
@kevinerose 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, most people mean well. It all seems so warm and friendly until you dig into it a little deeper.
@mitchellc4
@mitchellc4 4 жыл бұрын
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@keithericksen5756
@keithericksen5756 4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellc4 a few misstatements there. Jesus IS GOD. HE said the he and the father are one and…if you have seen me you’ve seen the father. It’s very clear.
@rachels.5361
@rachels.5361 4 жыл бұрын
AMEN to everything you said! Please keep sharing these truths with the KZbin community - they are needed more than ever!
@dontrushtohate
@dontrushtohate 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so encouraged that there are people like this to clearly, simple and honestly talk about these issues.
@keithmiller6583
@keithmiller6583 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your testimony and willingness to share the Gospel and your refusal to compromise the Holy Word of God!!
@jesusiscominggetready9348
@jesusiscominggetready9348 3 жыл бұрын
Great message, Alisa really speaks the truth here and to the point. Many pastors should listen to this!
@GratiaPrima_
@GratiaPrima_ 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a good message. We have to stand up for what’s true! As a Catholic, I know there will be people who are against historical teachings of the Church, but it’s worked into the fabric of what Catholicism is that the doctrines can. not. change. Those people will not ultimately prevail. “On this rock I build my church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.” -Jesus ☺️
@MrSASA51
@MrSASA51 4 жыл бұрын
As a Catholic obviously you recognise this speaker will not acknowledge you as a true christian
@GratiaPrima_
@GratiaPrima_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrSASA51 has she said that? I’d be surprised, since she’s a proponent of historic christianity the way the early church understood it from Jesus and the Apostles.
@AWikkedMoon
@AWikkedMoon 4 жыл бұрын
We have all been lied to. All religions are cults.There is a Secret, that if you KNOW it, your Life will change, because you can NOW pray to who is real and really exists. Then your prayers WILL happen. What did Christ say? Ha said, "I AM the SON of MAN". Who is MAN then? MAN is the 1st name ever given. Find out who. "The Gnostic Truth, The Sacred Secret". kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYCcp2aFfquhrq8&ab_channel=AWikkedMoon
@AWikkedMoon
@AWikkedMoon 4 жыл бұрын
@Steve Jameison That's bull shit. Because Christ brought KNOWLEDGE, not belief. Religion brought belief and changed his scriptures.
@jackhaggerty1066
@jackhaggerty1066 3 жыл бұрын
If I had not come into Christianity through Reformed theology I would gone over to the Progressive camp myself. Today I see so many people drawn to it, because it speaks to their sense of social and economic justice, as witness Pope Francis and his encyclical Amoris Laetitia, which contains many good things. (Watch Bishop Robert Barron speaking on Amoris Laetitia on KZbin.) I came to faith through teachers like Francis Schaeffer, Os Guinness, R.C. Sproul, A.D. Carson, John MacArthur, John Piper, Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, Gresham Machen, B.B. Warfield. So the Progressive heresies made no impact on me, though there are many with these views on the Patheos website. Give me Young, Restless and Reformed any time. Thanks for your vlog, Alisa. I understand that Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton attended a Progressive church, and that says much about them.
@carolyn4830
@carolyn4830 3 жыл бұрын
I encourage everyone to buy her book, Another Gospel. I have loved ones who started down this path about 2 years ago, but I did not understand the extent of what was going on or what they were buying into. Now I feel like I have lost them to this other gospel. I did not know there was a name for it, nor did I know the strength of this movement that is going on right under our noses. It is truth that sets us free and her book helped me so much.
@lizardking5711
@lizardking5711 3 жыл бұрын
Progressive Christianity is Christianity adapting to new understandings and discoveries. It has happened many times in the past, and it will keep happening. Christians used to think hat the Earth is flat, or that we were in the center of the universe, but it eventually adapted to obvious realities.
@rockyblacksmith
@rockyblacksmith 3 жыл бұрын
Science and faith have NOTHING to do with each other. Please spare us that nonsense.
@awesam
@awesam 4 жыл бұрын
Alissa!? Why do you/we call it “progressive Christianity” when it isn’t really Christianity at all?
@RealityCheck6T9
@RealityCheck6T9 4 жыл бұрын
Nor is it progressing towards anything
@Zenas521
@Zenas521 4 жыл бұрын
I think heresy is more appropriate. The people who practice heresy are heretics. Thees heretics want to delude themselves thinking they can eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and demand that God should let them into the Kingdom on their terms. Thees retched creatures have fallen to the level of hairless apes. As Christians we must remember the church policy in Titus 3:10-11 concerning waywardness in the faith.
@antoinette6465
@antoinette6465 4 жыл бұрын
New age or Progressive Christians like to interpret the scriptures and it's meanings in the Bible to fit their agenda.
@pchemist
@pchemist 4 жыл бұрын
Because they haven't come enough to their senses to completely ditch Christianity, but have at least realize that they need to ditch the worst parts of it.
@goldencalf5144
@goldencalf5144 4 жыл бұрын
You do realise that Jesus was a socialist? He advocated paying taxes, giving away one's wealth to the poor and being meek. He would be appalled at the materialism of many Christian evangelicals and their support for a lying, cheating, fornicator like Trump.
@taminsocal3084
@taminsocal3084 4 жыл бұрын
Christ is soon to return. His reward is with Him. For all faithful believers. We are married to the truth.
@southisland5402
@southisland5402 4 жыл бұрын
Keep me the loop but where was he this year?
@ntr10me
@ntr10me 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. Please define 'soon'. I've always found that idea puzzling.
@taminsocal3084
@taminsocal3084 4 жыл бұрын
"Soon" means He can come at any moment. No one knows the Day nor the hour, He will come like a thief in the night so we must watch & pray that the Day does not come upon us unexpectedly. And we are not to be like scoffers who say where is the promise of His coming. We are to live for Him & be the light of the world until He returns. And witness to all men fulfilling the Great Commission.
@ntr10me
@ntr10me 4 жыл бұрын
@@taminsocal3084 Hi, thanks for the comment. If 'soon' can mean at any moment, then 'soon' fails to have any usefulness in this context, I think. So, hoping not to be taken as a scoffer here, but I'm not convinced of the claims that there was a Jesus as described with the magical properties attributed to him, nor am I convinced that I need to consider any sort of worship of him as a future course of action. It seems more reasonable that I should just go on with my life not feeling it necessary to let thoughts of a god or of this Jesus to weigh on me. As Jesus allegedly came to Saul, I too can wait for Jesus to convince me otherwise. Does that seem fair to you, or have I failed to consider something? Thanks for engaging.
@taminsocal3084
@taminsocal3084 4 жыл бұрын
@@ntr10me welcome. I do hope you receive Him soon He wants you in heaven with Him because He loves you. This world is wrapping up as you can see with typhoons cyclones hurricanes earthquakes. God is the eternal Father & He knows everything about us. Receive Christ into your heart & He will give you His precious Holy Spirit who will reveal all things to you. Please read Revelation chapter 3, 20-22. Please once you receive Christ never renounce Him. Love Him with your all. I used to be unsaved too & actually hung the phone on people who would speak to me about Christ or God. I had a zero tolerance for God. And now look, I cant stop talking about Him. He is more real than anything I know. But He must be received by faith. I am now on my way to heaven & will escape hell & the Great Tribulation because Christ lives in Me. In His presence is the fullness of joy at His right hand are pleasures forevermore. God loves you! Please forgive my grammar on these platforms. Godspeed. Please give your heart to Christ. You will never regret that you did.
@plaidpaisley5918
@plaidpaisley5918 4 жыл бұрын
Yep. Changed mission statement to include justice. Hired a social justice pastor.
@JS-gz2nw
@JS-gz2nw 4 жыл бұрын
Oh the horror!!!
@gareth2736
@gareth2736 4 жыл бұрын
Next step they will be making you read the old Testament prophets, and the letter of James and talking about the year of Jubilee...it's a slippery slope away from getting all your understanding of God's priorities from the letter of Romans :-)
@stlouislord28
@stlouislord28 4 жыл бұрын
@@JS-gz2nw social justice is not real justice.
@gareth2736
@gareth2736 4 жыл бұрын
@Eevee * many of the message of the prophets were about changes to make society more just, James decries the exploration of the poor by the rich and the year of Jubilee acted to stop inequalities building up generation after generation like.they can do in capitalist societies. Liberals/progressives often make the mistake of focusing on social justice and forgetting the need of personal salvation and the problem of personal sin, some evangelicals make the opposite mistake and limit the gospel to the personal and individual - say a prayer to go to heaven and avoid sexual sin and that's all God cares about without realising the larger systemic injustices that also lead to people being exploited, held back from their God given potential and life. Hiring a social justice pastor might suggest a church that is forgetting the personal dimension of faith, or it could signify a church that is already strong on this waking up to other dimensions of God's calling on his people.
@mikeymullins5305
@mikeymullins5305 4 жыл бұрын
Y’all really have the wool pulled over your eyes. It’s simply justice, a good thing, as it relates to society, which is, ah, everything. So you’re basically anti justice
@lou-annatkinson4211
@lou-annatkinson4211 4 жыл бұрын
Tku Alisa, you just clarified my concerns about what is happening in my church. It's like you were there with me. I'll share a little of my experience in the hope it might help someone else experiencing the take over in their church. Keep up your good work Alisa. When i questioned or suggested something was not scriptural I was told I don't understand how to interpret the Bible, or I'm not understanding the word for today. I knew things weren't right I just didn't know or understand what was going on. How could Priests in the Anglican Church be changing the meaning of scripture. I shut my mouth for years until I withdrew 18mths ago. There was also a growing support for gay marriage emerging and although the official position of the Diocese was that the Church didn't conduct gay marriages I saw the Priest openly Bless a gay couples civil marriage at the communion alter. I was told they were made by God as they were and loved by God as they were. When I suggested that we could say that about any number of groups who practice sins of the flesh, from adultery to phaedophiles and where is the line drawn once we start changing God's objective moral laws, it's a slippery slide, there was a defensive brick wall put up, end of conversation. I was not one of them, I was a narrow minded Christian. Bottom line, I came to think they would do anything to get their dwindling numbers up, to get money in. Sad to me. I believe Church is for every broken sinner, like me, I just didn't think a Priest would betray the Word. I remember a Priest telling the kids about one of the miracles Jesus performed and he was dressed up as a magician, and actually used the word 'magic', it was later dismissed as "his meaning was misinterpreted'. They have tried to get me to go back but I'm really struggling as I know it's not right, I now have a name for it "Progressive Christianity" and it is not right for me. I thought I should go back at one point to stand up and defend the Word but I knew it would cause conflict with the Rector and Priest and I didn't want to cause trouble, I love them all, I just don't agree with their theology. I pray for them. I also pray for our Lord to give me the Wisdom and discernment to know when something in His name is not right. 🙏✝️💟
@revolutionofordinaries
@revolutionofordinaries 4 жыл бұрын
People think progressive Christianity will get more people in the kingdom but it is often exactly the opposite. Few people realize that and it feels great to be so open but it is also so easy to lose your foundation and lose your way...eventually people figure out there is little being offered they can be sure of and they leave.
@antuerpiasunday564
@antuerpiasunday564 4 жыл бұрын
Sooo many progressive churches like that - so sad
@stephenmarshall9260
@stephenmarshall9260 4 жыл бұрын
Praise God. Awesome teaching my sister. I agree 100%. Lets speak the truth no matter the opposition.
@AnthonyParrott
@AnthonyParrott 3 жыл бұрын
I've recently become aware of Alisa Childers, who is making a career of warning people about the dangers of "Progressive Christianity." I will assume the best of her, that she genuinely believes that progressive Christianity is a danger and she has a moral responsibility to steer people away. However, she is bearing false witness against her fellow believers. From what I've seen of her work, she 1) appears to be deeply unaware of the field historical theology; 2) mis-defines "historic, orthodox Christianity" solely around American, evangelical theology, not engaging with other traditions; and 3) leans far too much on fear-mongering to make her point. This ultimately leads to her dramatically misrepresenting others' views. Her some off-the-cuff responses to her 5 supposed danger signs. 1. **Alternative View of Scripture.** While it's true that a few progressive churches altogether abandon an authoritative view of the Bible, this is not typically a defining characteristic. What Childers fails to mention is that a me-centered/individualistic meaning-making approach most typically happens in conservative/evangelical streams. The question "What does this passage mean to you?" has shown up in far too many Bible study booklets. Historically speaking, denying absolutely any human influence on Scripture and insisting on the notion "inerrancy" started to become popular in the late-1800/early-1900s. It's the new kid on the theological block. While progressive writers/pastors/churches are willing to wrestle with Scripture's imperfections, they do this out of a high view of God and a desire to actually do what Scripture affirms. 2. The "feelings are emphasized over facts" point is just laughable. Go find any church or preacher that denies the seriousness of covid, systemic racism, or claims that Trump won the election. They would all claim that they're "historic," "orthodox," and "conservative," and yet they are the ones who have lost the grip on reality. One conservative writer once said we should know that homosexuality is wrong because of the "gag factor." How about that for emphasizing feelings over facts. Churches in the charismatic and Pentecostal traditions put a larger emphasis on personal experience and I am quite sure they would bristle at being called progressive.
 3. **Essential Christian doctrines are open for reinterpretation.** This has been the case for all Christian traditions since the beginning. So-called conservatives are absolutely guilty of this as well. For instance, some complementarians (those who believe that women cannot hold leadership roles in the church) advocate for a hierarchy within the Trinity, despite the fact that this denies historic orthodoxy. As mentioned above, the view of biblical inerrency was created in early 1900s as a response to biblical scholarship. Concepts like the rapture, "scientific" 6-day creationism, and 7-year tribulation were invented in 1800s. Moreover, a refusal to reinterpret "essential Christian doctrines" is what has kept anti-semitism and anti-Black racism alive in the church for so long. If you follow the history of the conservative, evangelical movement in the United States, you'll soon realize that what counts as "essential Christian doctrine" is a constantly moving target. 4. **Historic terms are redefined.** Again, this section demonstrates her lack of knowledge in the field of historic theology. Properly defining (and redefining terms) must continually happen as each generation inherits the faith. And, again, conservatives are more guilty of this than most. Biblical authority, the second coming, the Trinity, and biblical gender roles have all received brand new definitions in recent decades as conservatives continue to shift their faith around to fit their culture. 5. **The Gospel shifts from sin and redemption to social justice.** This section shows me that Childers has not actually spent enough time listening to so-called progressive preachers. One of the ways that the Gospel **deals** with sin and redemption is through social justice. These topics are rarely pitted against each other, except, ironically, **by conservatives.** If the Gospel is true, if sin is as bad as Scripture says, then pursuing social justice is a necessary response. It is an inaccurate caricature to say that progressive Christians don't talk about sin. Rather it is progressives' shifting of emphasis from solely individualistic sins to social and communal sins that is being misconstrued or misunderstood. If you want to arm yourself against this sort of historically and theologically anemic propaganda, I'd suggest the following: Across the Spectrum, Greg Boyd and Paul Eddy The Mosaic of Christian Belief, Roger E. Olson
@diegoestrada7798
@diegoestrada7798 2 ай бұрын
This was an excellent breakdown of what is transpiring in the church today. Thank you for defining all these aspects helping people to understand what’s happening.
@cn1800
@cn1800 3 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel and I’m blown away. Finally someone speaking about these issues the way I’ve been wanting to hear it.
@emerywilson
@emerywilson 4 жыл бұрын
I love Alisa’s conviction and commitment to biblical truth. We must keep her in our prayers!
@davidscript
@davidscript 4 жыл бұрын
Please put this on Facebook. I have friends who are beginning to be deceived by these false teachings.
@timsharpe6652
@timsharpe6652 4 жыл бұрын
You can share it there 😊
@jarms40
@jarms40 4 жыл бұрын
Christianity is also not about “finding fellowship,” it is about worshipping God in spirit and in truth. Church shopping is no more Christian than any of the abuses of the “progressive Christians” that the author of this piece rightly calls out
@bradandrews777
@bradandrews777 4 жыл бұрын
You can't make disciples without fellowship. That is missing from most churches today.
@braedenh6858
@braedenh6858 3 жыл бұрын
Am I correct in understanding this comment, in that it implies that fleeing a church that doesn't preach the Gospel as truth goes against scripture? If so, then no. No one has any obligation to join or remain in fellowship with people who will lead you astray or cause you to stumble. If you hear false teachings, you need to go.
@germanwulf40
@germanwulf40 3 жыл бұрын
I am so thankful that I don't have to worry about this. I can't count how many times my pastor has stated before a sermon that the subject of the message we were about to hear would offend the world; would be rejected by the world; would make the world hate us. Then he'd remind us that the reason we preach these things regardless, is because God's Word is truth; if we are offended by something in the Bible, then the fault lies not with God's Word, but within our own hearts, and we are the ones who need change. My Testimony: On Sunday, March 6th, 2016, I walked into the doors of Apostolic Truth Church in Appleton Wisconsin. At the time, I was a self-identified transgendered woman. I lived and dressed as a woman full time, to the point at which I did not even own a single article of men's clothing. However, I was an honest person who was open about myself, and therefore it was easy to see at a glance that I was actually a man dressed as a woman. When I walked into ATC that Sunday morning, I was dressed in a black and blue dress and silver high heels. Also, my hair was dyed neon pink (lol). Nonetheless, I was warmly welcomed into the church, in the same manner, that you'd expect for any first-time visitor. Of course, I found out later that they were all praying for me behind my back :), but I digress... After three months of attending this truth-preaching, love-others-to-God church, I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins - following Acts 2:38 - and my life did an instant 180! The change was literally instantaneous. When my pastor lowered me into the water, I was nervous and scared, almost to the point of feeling completely terrified. I had identified as a trans woman for my entire life (I was baptized 9 days before my 32nd birthday), and I had known no other feeling or life alternative to that. Yet there I was, giving it up and laying it at the feet of our Lord. When my pastor lifted me out of the water, well... as I said to him later, "For the first time in my life, I feel like a new MAN (yes, I emphasized that word) in Christ Jesus!"
@lisatucker2462
@lisatucker2462 3 жыл бұрын
Carl Lentz former pastor of Hillsong Church NYC when asked about abortion. "I would like to have a conversation with that individual first" He stated that it was circumstantial in nature. Can the person provide for the child? What is their emotional state? He refused to say it was against God's Word. Of course this was prior to him being ousted. Hillsong has some good music, but humanistic theology. He was in it for the $$
@BruceJC75
@BruceJC75 4 жыл бұрын
We just got a new pastor from Austin and it’s very insidious, but I can see the writing on the wall.
@VillageAlive
@VillageAlive 4 жыл бұрын
Never was and never will be progressive.
@jenreads5682
@jenreads5682 4 жыл бұрын
I was but before becoming Christian. Then God opened my eyes to His truth and changed my heart of stone
@michaelfisher7170
@michaelfisher7170 4 жыл бұрын
The opposite of progress is regress.
@VillageAlive
@VillageAlive 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfisher7170 as a basic definition maybe. But not as to progressive ideology or theology. The opposite of progressive theology is Biblical theology based in objective truth.
@italiabrahman850
@italiabrahman850 4 жыл бұрын
@@VillageAlive lulw
@italiabrahman850
@italiabrahman850 4 жыл бұрын
@@VillageAlive you're funny
@catherinesummers5057
@catherinesummers5057 4 жыл бұрын
Hard to find one of these in the UK!!! The Church has gone shockingly awry
@allydidier791
@allydidier791 Жыл бұрын
I want to validate Alisa's perspective here as I believe she's really trying to live out her faith in the way that makes the most sense for her. But please, for the love of God, do your own research anytime you come across anything or anyone saying what Alisa is warning about, because the people who are making these "progressive" claims have valid perspectives too. Don't let anyone convince you that their interpretation of any particular topic is enough to not do any of your own further research regarding any questions you may have. For myself and many others in the "progressive" Christian space, we find ourselves here because of the questions and concerns that have arisen throughout our unique faith journeys. In my opinion, the real warning to be heeded is anyone trying to convince you that you don't need to do your own research if you "see any warning signs" as Alisa seems to be trying to do here. I'm not saying she doesn't encourage people to do their own research, but I worry many people will unconsciously take that away from this video because she's already assuming "progressive" Christianity is bad by giving warning signs. Alisa, I mean no disrespect, but I just worry that the message behind this video will contribute to "progressive" Christians being othered and result in less good-faith dialogue.
@LadyCathryn
@LadyCathryn 4 жыл бұрын
I started studying the cults, creationism and prophecy while in high school (1970-73). In 1980 I began studying the Bible version issue. All this equipped me to spot false doctrines in churches.
@brendahankins7871
@brendahankins7871 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your clear expose of this threat.
@waynehampson9569
@waynehampson9569 4 жыл бұрын
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.Matthew 7:21
@traderjoas
@traderjoas 3 жыл бұрын
progressive christianity does not ‘level’ the bible down. if anything, it raises it up from the hate that any other form of it has held responsibility for fueling: the greatest sin.
@finchborat
@finchborat 3 жыл бұрын
But they still water it down and in some cases, preach a twisted version of the Word.
@elluc1317
@elluc1317 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully said. I mentioned abortion to Barn 45 and was scolded and shamed in their live you tube feed. I will not back down from historic Christianity. My question is what if these women really believe they’re doing good works? They have a large following however some people did alert me to be careful of their teaching, which is why I specifically mentioned abortion, so they would reveal themselves.
@AmazingStoryDewd
@AmazingStoryDewd 3 жыл бұрын
I went to a liberal church for many years and didn't bother me until I became politically active in college. Therefore I didn't realize there was anything off. Through my church's high school youth group i made many friends, and learned the same things a conservative church taught their youth groups ( I learned this later). I only realized there was something wrong with my church when I got involved in politics. The sermons were far too political, and some things were just not true ( when it came to current events). I couldn't take it anymore and left. Now I'm looking for a new church. My parents said when they first joined the church in the late 90s they were mostly moderate conservative Democrats. Over the years they've shifted more left.
@crazychristian3418
@crazychristian3418 4 жыл бұрын
Very very important and impressive speech May the Lord Jesus Christ be with you in all your dealings in the days to come We must pray we must repent for all of those around us I pray for you I pray for everybody who sees this video see the light and to come to our lord Jesus Christ our savior The Lord will protect you Shining A Guiding Light over your life and the people around you praise the Lord God bless do the whole world
@crazychristian3418
@crazychristian3418 4 жыл бұрын
It's never too late please take the time to pray and repent and start today pray repent and you will start the day don't put it off for another minute we want everyone in Heaven Hell is not a place you want to be in it's not a party all the famous musicians playing it is a very very fearful place I would not want anyone to ever go to please pray and repent No matter who you are you have this one chance to do right to pray and repent and save yourself a spot in heaven Jesus Christ want you he loves you like no other person in the world ever loves you it's a greater love that will last forever
@lW9497
@lW9497 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is classic liberalism. I was taught all of this in the Episcopal church in the early 1980s.
@tomsanders9491
@tomsanders9491 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus shed his blood to wash our sins, died for our sins, and rose from the dead
@EuroGuy85
@EuroGuy85 4 жыл бұрын
No!
@tomsanders9491
@tomsanders9491 3 жыл бұрын
@Aisha Noor You shall be judged according to your own judgement. Take up your cross and follow Christ. If you think Evangelicals are not passing your Christian litmus test, SET THE EXAMPLE. Spewing hate filled rhetoric is not the way to grow the Body of Christ.
@jhellert1
@jhellert1 3 жыл бұрын
Another important warning sign is when church "leaders" start sounding like Pontius Pilate and "Truth. What is truth?"
@radixreuel7631
@radixreuel7631 2 жыл бұрын
FOR THE TIME WILL COME when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. -2 Timothy 4:3
@jbloe555
@jbloe555 4 жыл бұрын
Good points. You just described the so-called "reformation."
@jbloe555
@jbloe555 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelTheophilus906 No offense, but not even close. What about the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Luther disagreed on the manner, but still believed in the Eucharist. The Gospel narratives of the last supper...this "is" my body...this "is" my blood, John ch. 6, manna, Bread of Life, Bethlehem (house of bread), 1 Cor 11:17-34, etc. It is not my intent to create strife, especially on Christmas Eve. I was tempted by the irony. That being said, the same battle is being fought in the Catholic Church. We conservatives are not happy about the fake Catholics like Biden and Pelosi. God help us. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Come Lord Jesus! God bless you!
@jbloe555
@jbloe555 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelTheophilus906 You’re funny. Isn't the Bible the inspired Word of God? Shouldn't it be taken literally? So much for Sola Scriptura. You might want to read "A History of The Doctrine of the Holy Eucharist" by Darwell Stone (a Protestant). archive.org/details/historyofdoctrin01ston/page/n5/mode/2up
@gabrielabianchi1809
@gabrielabianchi1809 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, new follower here from Puerto Rico. I hope your day is going well. God bless + take care :)
@timsharpe6652
@timsharpe6652 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Gabriella . I'm fairly new to this channel myself 😁
@NewCreationInChrist896
@NewCreationInChrist896 4 жыл бұрын
Amen Sister Alisa. 2 Corinthians 10:4-5 📖 Romans 10:9-10
@thenarrowpath7520
@thenarrowpath7520 4 жыл бұрын
Amen and thank you for this. I've heard these before and it is so pervasive now, it's almost impossible to find a church that doesn't have this sickness in it. It's very discouraging. All of the churches around us are going progressive. Add to that a focus on "vision casting" and "building projects" (larger sanctuary, larger youth facilities, more office space, etc). The gospel is all but lost. Please pray for my family, we are isolated and we cannot find like minded Christians that don't subscribe to this different gospel.
@abenson6462
@abenson6462 3 жыл бұрын
“Beware of counterfeiting the love of God by following your own natural human emotions, sympathies, or understandings. That will only serve to revile and abuse the true love of God.” -Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest (March 3)
@Therehabanddocumentationguru
@Therehabanddocumentationguru 4 жыл бұрын
Amen, Alisa - I've been thinking about these things related to the church a lot lately.
@ImCarolB
@ImCarolB 4 жыл бұрын
I moved to a new state, but because of the virus, I still follow my old church on KZbin. I had suspected it was heading to progressive teachings, but it's full woke now. My closest friends there have left, which isn't easy in rural New England.
@ironmiketodd
@ironmiketodd 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget women trying to be preachers in 1 Timothy 2:12
@ntr10me
@ntr10me 4 жыл бұрын
@Beastbombshell Is that not the issue with Christianity wholesale though? The broad range of sects and denominations is the result of conversations starting off with something deemed to be contentious in scripture, resulting in charges of 'context! context!' and then criticizing fellow believers of not being true to the scriptures. Despite how favourable this comment section is to the presenter, there are far more Christians out there who will take/give umbridge to what's been said. Christians, and indeed people of all faith traditions seem not to get that many believers (though not all) are ostensibly compelled to be 'salesfolk' for their faith. Essentially 'our product is the best one for you.' Any thoughts on this?
@skyeangelofdeath7363
@skyeangelofdeath7363 4 жыл бұрын
@@ntr10me Here is the whole chapter. I wonder if @Beastbombshell can point to the verse that gives the proper "context". 2 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people- 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle-I am telling the truth, I am not lying-and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles. 8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
@ntr10me
@ntr10me 4 жыл бұрын
@@skyeangelofdeath7363 yep, right up there with the Quran chapter 4. you know, the chapter that encourages 'frowning' when a woman doesn't comport herself in the matter for which she has been designed. You know, because of context. Ugh
@EuroGuy85
@EuroGuy85 4 жыл бұрын
So, is beastbombshell wrong here? Damn, you guys cornered that mofo with some hard biblical truths right there!
@ironmiketodd
@ironmiketodd 4 жыл бұрын
ntr10me you are evidently part on the new “progressive Christian movement” you try to use scripture like an attorney uses case law....let me guess, you can find an argument why same sex marriage should exist...
@PastorJ1973
@PastorJ1973 3 жыл бұрын
God bless you for using your platform to "hold the line" of historic Biblical teaching. So few (comparatively) will use their platform to stand against the rising tide of this new breed of "christian" teaching.
@Tom-iw3zh
@Tom-iw3zh 9 ай бұрын
Great work Alisa exposing the heresies of "Progressive Christianity." As Kerry Livgren's lyric says in one song, "Truth does not bend." We know Jesus is, the Way, the Truth, and Life, and Jesus never bends His words. Neither should any group of "So called" Christians. The Bible is His Word and to be taken 100% with serious devotion to perceive it's meaning from the Holy Spirit.
@GreenOnionVintage
@GreenOnionVintage 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reflecting the feelings of my heart in this video. I find it very difficult to be a young Christian woman right now---my peers pride themselves in their progressiveness and all I can seek to counteract their wrong definition of Christian "love" is the truth I find for myself in the Bible. I recently left a progressive church but am now left searching and feeling a bit on my own (as well as with my husband). We are overall disappointed in today's churches and their dangerous game of trying to fit worldliness in the church.
@petrosaguilar8916
@petrosaguilar8916 3 жыл бұрын
I strongly encourage your husband and you to attend a Tridentine Latin Mass church. This is the real deal, free of all "progressive" poison.
@maxiomburrows2099
@maxiomburrows2099 4 жыл бұрын
By your first warning sign, I may be described by progressive, as I spout that it is "The Word of God" that is inerrant and infallible... Jesus(Rev19:13) The scriptures(the bible) have a purpose, ultimately to reveal Jesus who is "The Word of God", YHWH "Our Father", and "The HolySpirit". I have no issue holding "The Word of God" has all authority... but to express Biblical authority usurps Jesus authority and power of preservation of scripture and its sufficiency for us by YHWH(God). Please stop making the Bible an Idol and recognize the one true God YHWH(The Father)/Yeshua(The Word)/HolySpirit(The Spirit) alone.
@aimehigh1
@aimehigh1 4 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@tinasimpson9768
@tinasimpson9768 4 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@braedenh6858
@braedenh6858 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know anyone who idolizes a Bible, but it shouldn't be a question for anyone who professes belief in Jesus that the Bible is his word, for Jesus himself affirmed the authority and infallibility of the scriptures. The idea that the Bible somehow usurps the authority of Jesus isn't correct either. The Bible contains Jesus' teaching. If God is the same today, yesterday, and forever, and if Jesus is the Word of God, then the Bible will always contain the true instructions of Jesus to his followers.
@maxiomburrows2099
@maxiomburrows2099 3 жыл бұрын
@@braedenh6858 I agree, mostly, the problem is our personal biases and perspectives... take scriptural Christians fighting over secondary issues like Calvinism and Arminianism ... YHWH(God) gave this discussion to us to explore his fullness, exorcise our trust, and show our love one for another, but it does show our inadequacy of understanding from script as opposed to the being of "The Word of God" Yeshua(Jesus) Revelation 19:13.
@braedenh6858
@braedenh6858 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxiomburrows2099 our biases and perspectives are products of our experiences and our culture, which is of the world. Christians must align themselves instead with God, and the Bible is the primary tool with which they come to know and understand him. To claim that a Christian can know God without a Biblical foundation for the relationship and wellspring of truth and knowledge is folly. A person doing that would be relying upon their own intellect and feelings to guide them, which will end in nothing good. You cite branches of Christianity which disagreed on which areas of scripture should be emphasized, but they shared the understanding that scripture was infallible.
@mrdinx
@mrdinx 4 жыл бұрын
I think you missed one. The ONLY sacred cow that is never refuted is the need to tithe and give to the church because Jesus is a transactional god in their mind.
@robertpreisser3547
@robertpreisser3547 4 жыл бұрын
“Dogma, doctrine and traditions are all fair game, because all pass through the hands of flawed humanity.” Spoken by a member of flawed humanity! That’s basically saying “you can’t trust what ANYONE has to say” while simultaneously saying “but trust ME.”
@kristinadospoy7347
@kristinadospoy7347 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great lesson for any Christian, whether new or seasoned, to understand where Christianity comes from
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