How to Survive a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP) or Coaching Plan - Hey

[@bluebo1212]

PIP's are meant to mainly gather evidence to fire you down the road, especially when your boss does not like you as a worker or person. Get out before you have to check YES on the job application under Asked to Resign.

[@サラ-m9p]

Happened to me. My boss wanted to put me on PIP and I got to know about it earlier. I resigned and still there was a plan to continue with performance improvement plan during my notice period (which is ridiculous). It’s clear to me it wasn’t really about helping me out. Some bosses are so selfish they uses PIP to sack people.

[@tercial]

@@サラ-m9p my manager put me on one out of nowhere lol

[@aldrintan8230]

Damn. I'm right in a middle of a 30 day PIP with a company I want to stay at. This video was super helpful with adjusting my mindset. Ty sir

[@InsuranceNerds]

You are very welcome. Good luck!

[@entp1217]

What was the result?

[@sshaxy860]

What was the result?

[@aldrintan8230]

​@@sshaxy860 @entp1217 I got fired lmao. fuck these jobs.

[@viktorask]

My PiP was setup to sack me. I took money and went on my way. I hated new manager to the core, I would payed myself just to leave management :D . 3 employees left because of him.

[@honeybunchesofno]

I’ve been placed on a PIP today…first time ever and I LOVE the company I work for! So I’ll be putting in 1000% from now on and hopefully I survive it 🤞🏽 My next review is May 2nd so I’ll update then. And that’s a good idea! I’ll be asking my boss and HR for weekly updates on my progress from now, up until the next review date. Update: I had my review and unfortunately got let go. The good news is I start my new job in a couple of weeks and it pays more. 😅

[@InsuranceNerds]

Good luck!

[@nellywellyful]

Any updates?

[@honeybunchesofno]

@@nellywellyful yeah, I updated my comment earlier this month. They let me go but I’m happy it happened because it was for the best. The stress and pressure from being placed on the PIP was starting to take a toll on me mentally, physically, and emotionally. To cope with this, I started drinking every night. I should’ve also took it as a sign to start looking for another job as soon as I was placed on the PIP and also when my coworkers started quitting left and right. So I was also doing the work of multiple people to add to this stress. But as I started in my comment, I found another job a few days after getting let go. And I’m also back in school for a career change. 😄 Everything happens for a reason because when one door closes, another door opens 😌

[@jenniferliggett6385]

@@honeybunchesofno You have a good outlook and I wish you the best. If other heads rolled, then they likely did what they did to downsize the workforce without incurring the increase in paying into unemployment that layoffs would have cost them. I'm guessing you weren't the only one they "PIPed."

[@2steaksandwiches665]

Number 11, start looking for a new job. If you’re putting all your eggs in one basket, that’s not a smart move. Even if you have your resumes out there and start interviewing. Protect yourself

[@TheHardRockG6]

I’m glad you survived! I wish that I heard of someone else who has survived also.

[@kevini4295]

Tony, great video. Great meeting you briefly at In2Risk 2022. Great advice. Proud to admit in my career I have been downsized, survived a couple PIPs, been fired and have survived. My advice would be the same as yours. Talk to a colleague or a manager you don't report to for candid advice. Get finances in order, start job hunting if you come to the conclusion the job is not for you.

[@jjhervey4153]

I am being put on a PIP on Wednesday. Been with the company 13 years, 2 in the current role. Over the last 6-9 months, I have had accuracy issues (FP&A role) and I am currently in counseling and moving toward being treated for ADD as well. My 2nd (and hopefully final :)) child is due in a week and I am terrified as I am the only one working in the household. This was great advice to get started. Thank you.

[@InsuranceNerds]

I'm glad it was helpful!

[@joncena168]

Wow thanks for honesty. Never been thru one but this is great tips!

[@Priva_C]

I survived the PIP!!! Everything was great for 2 years afterwards. Then out of nowhere, they fire me and tell me it's due to failing the PIP from 2 years ago. I'm sure the real reason is my race 😢 I always considered them family but it seems the feeling was never mutual.

[@InsuranceNerds]

I’m very sorry you went through that. You’re bound to land in a better place.

[@hannah071094]

You articulate yourself so well! Have you got any other videos on PIP's and general career advice?

[@mickanvonfootscraymarket5520]

I was put on a PIP once and I knew it was time to move on. On the same week, I was pulled up for failing to do a task properly (which was on the PIP). It was bullshit imo, the task I failed was a complete set up. The HR person (btw which is a total conflict of interest) called my desk putting on the worst British accent, pretending to be a difficult client and gave me a hard time. It was a bullshit scenario where I wasn't going to deliver the right action. I believe that call was a set up. It was designed for me to fail.

[@hobgoblin4614]

F those people. You are better off without them. PIP stands for paid interview period.

[@user-qs2yb3cg9r]

I got placed on a PIP last week and man the feeling of failure is very much with me. I have told myself that I want i to beat it, and I am giving my interactions my all. Not only that, but I am still making some errors and I hope I will rectify them. I really don't have the best relationship with the managerial team, but I can't say that the PIP s targetted as my performance has been diving for some reason. In as mush as the PIP can be an early sign that I need to level up or leave, I have been planning to leave the work employment and want to leave behind a good performance and with the feeling that I did my best. Thanks for the feedback I will look up someone and share some of the PIP burden and maybe look for some support, I have come with a support mechanism at work, will also look for another support frame outside work.

[@InsuranceNerds]

I hope it was helpful. Best of luck.

[@stephaniegronke2732]

Thanks for sharing this. Amazing summary - great to share with my clients 🙏🙏

[@rajahawa6888]

Thanks man. I appreciate your story

[@0206-b8z]

If you get put on the pip you start looking for a new job they are going to fire you

[@jackcarraway4707]

If you're put on a PIP, tell them you need 24 hours to go over everything before you "sign" anything. Proceed to never return to that employer and forget you even worked there.

[@TheJumpman319]

Only thing I would say is, if they are offering a “soft landing” aka severance

[@earthman6700]

Told them their reasons given for the PIP were nonsense with no validity. Asked for evidence and none could be given. Through email evidence I had, I proved the reasons given had no substance. They still wanted to go ahead with the PIP. I took a grievance complaint against them. Won the battle. Left with a reasonable severance rather than nothing and a tarnished reputation. My face didn't fit with the new American asset strippers. The UK business has now been closed down with the loss of around a 1000 jobs gone. Local Council has lost out on Business rates. HM Treasury lost out on Tax. And the Consumer now no longer has a range of good UK products to buy.

[@yjg201100]

I've got involved in some projects and I was told to develop document forms and technical chart format which delayed the outcomes. Also my manager kept asking to put additional items which is not from standard format but from his brain. As you can imagine, this caused constant dely of my work. Then suddenly my manager pin pointed me as under performer. Now sure what I will discuss with HR person on next Monday. I might need to revise my resume...

[@dubreil07]

I was put on one 2 months ago and I’ve done everything to improve and Randomly my SVP set an pip update meeting with me (and HR) this Thursday. Weird cause I was told it would be between me and my manager.

[@InsuranceNerds]

Good luck!

[@priyasharma3211]

Those calls are never good and are always alarming

[@hobgoblin4614]

That means they are going to shit an you. Any meeting with HR, and especially if it includes management, are not good meetings.

[@drunkdonutboy]

I've never been fired or let go, ive been working 14 solid years with only 3 different companies and ive never been fired or let go. I'd run into similar situations but i also beat them. Well i had another weekly meeting today, I completed just about everything and they had positive feedback throughout the whole thing. I was coming up on 60 days 2/3rds of it had been behind me. Got told today at what was supposed to be our weekly meeting that my position had been removed and got laid off lol

[@jesstrewhella3402]

I just got put on a pip this week. I started this job in January and it’s a completely new industry. Looking at the goals they’re objective. To track progress I’m creating a spreadsheet to document progress each day of the week. I informed the boss of this and essentially have taken charge. She said great and can we check in tomorrow? I said sure. I don’t trust anything fully. I can return to the classroom so I’m just cautiously optimistic. Here’s something odd. My job title. I was hired as a technical trainer but she kept insisting Senior. There are individuals with more technical background than myself who are junior level. It just makes no sense so she’s telling me I need to perform at senior level. Anyway, do you think my actions of this kind of documentation will be effective? Any other advice?

[@InsuranceNerds]

I'm sorry to hear you're going through this. Extensive documentation is a good idea, it certainly won't hurt. If you've done your introspection and decided to make it work quite simply jump in with all your might and give it your best. Good luck!

[@SeaFlower38]

Is your pay reflective of other senior level executives?

[@hobgoblin4614]

I would GTFO. If you have no/less technical experience than Junior Trainers they may have misplaced you and are now correcting their mistake. The fact HR wants to meet so soon is also suspicious. I would start looking for a new job and get out of that place. Always remember. Never forget. HR, no matter how nice they seem, are never never never never never never never ever, your friend. Always remember they are agents of the company and not the employee.

[@earthman6700]

​@@hobgoblin4614Appears like he's being setup for a fall. Why insist he's Senior if taken on as Technical?

[@hobgoblin4614]

@@earthman6700 and the fact that HR wants to rush this along so fast is suspect to. Other than maybe talking about your benefits no conversation with HR is a good conversation. If you get asked to a meeting and HR is there there is a decent chance you need to start looking for a new job ASAP.

[@greuser]

But the problem is that the job market is so tough that even if lets say you dont want to work there anymore you have no choice

[@joelrionstaves4684]

The majority of people don't survive these. Just RUN if this comes up.

[@thatexcalifornian6124]

I got put on a PIP after I begged for one last chance. Monday is the deciding day

[@InsuranceNerds]

Why did you beg for it?

[@thatexcalifornian6124]

@@InsuranceNerds because I feel like I can do a good job at this job and I just need a bit more time to prove myself. Even my supervisor can see improvement in my performance and I want that last chance to show I can do this job!

[@NecromancerTO]

@@thatexcalifornian6124what happened ?

[@thatexcalifornian6124]

@@NecromancerTO I’m staying! I made it!

[@earthman6700]

Perhaps when going for a new job, ask if they use PIP's for employees. If so, move on.

[@InsuranceNerds]

Very interesting concept. In the US, I'm guessing most white collar employers do use them...

[@earthman6700]

​@@InsuranceNerdsI'm in the UK. I think there quite recent here.

[@xxxgaberodriguezxxx-rodrig1151]

Thank you

[@lsou4592]

I am on PIP due to attention to details and was put on it at a bad timing where the company is going thru policy changes. Everyone is pardon for their error rating due to the change but im not sure if Im included as I am on PIP have been on it for 2 months but has not been improving. I feel like they have picked me on the tiniest details that does not even affect the outcome, but to them any discrepency is an error. i feel trapped and punished. Aside from checking every of my files and marking more error for me, there is no other thing they are doing to support me. I do not even know what the alternative support that might help me either, it is just small minor mistake on my file that i do notice although i triple check my file. what should I do ?

[@gv8136]

I have put on PIP by my manager. I am open book. I dont have any enemy. I love my job. I have a back pain and never told anyone. I am not sure how to handle politics. Is PIP is Hr or management or Manager?

[@NecromancerTO]

Can you tell me what you mean by you hired a professional coach? You hired an expert in your field ?

[@InsuranceNerds]

I hired a certified coach who happened to come from my industry. He helped me figure out what to fix and how to fix it then held me accountable.

[@zuzumontague]

My boss wants to meet with me tomorrow. He said “I want to have a conversation so that we are on the same page regarding the operations of the building.” Does that mean I’ll be put on a PIP?

[@InsuranceNerds]

My guess is yes but don't freak out ahead of time. Just go in prepared just in case.

[@MrSoccerHighlighter]

Love this, thank you so much.

[@andrewh2u]

Its just a paper trail to cover the ash of company HR if the victim makes any legal claim when fired. Act accordingly.

[@samanthahardy9903]

I'm on a PIP at the moment for clocking in late. Got pulled into HR about a week ago and on Saturday I was 7 minutes late so got pulled into HR again today. I explained to them about the public transport system whereby the buses were running late, even though I leave home at the same time every day. I was told to leave earlier. This isn't always possible as I have to take medication for Bipolar Disorder and it knocks me right out, which they knew already during the interview process and seemed to be fine with it. I've been with the company for about 1 year and 5 months. A lot of staff have left since I started due to changes in management.(Everyone is now micro managed.) I was thinking that I would be better off working for an employment agency as agency staff get paid more in the UK and it would save the issue of being fired or being put on improvement plans over being a few minutes late.

[@lisamack9504]

❤️❤️❤️

[@observer698]

You said you hired a coach. How do you find a good coach??

[@InsuranceNerds]

There are a few that we recommend at InsNerds.com by clicking on Resources and Coaches

[@rmbl349]

as seen in fist of the northstar: you are already dead.

[@NecromancerTO]

Do my colleagues know that I am on PIP?

[@InsuranceNerds]

I don't think the company would share that info with them.

[@donew1thita11]

Pli mean they want you out

[@Gooseplan]

Source?

[@UpTheHillMusic]

What was your final meeting like that concluded the pip?

[@InsuranceNerds]

I got an email from my boss “Congratulations, you’re released from the PIP”.

[@UpTheHillMusic]

@@InsuranceNerds oh, I've got a meeting today with my then boss, my new supervisor and someone from HR at 3pm. I completed everything to the T and even did a project presentation. Not sure what to expect.

[@InsuranceNerds]

@@UpTheHillMusic You’ve done your part. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[@UpTheHillMusic]

@@InsuranceNerds they extended my pip another 30 days. It's looking like it's basically the end but they are giving me the option for severance and the opportunity to look for another job and set a separation date.

[@InsuranceNerds]

I'd keep working succeeding while also job searching in case.