How to Survive (and Thrive) In This TOUGH Developer Economy

[@TravisMedia]

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[@anilphilip546]

The points are what I myself realized a week ago. I was put off by the selling of his code camp, though.

[@vincerandom7715]

Just keep coding. Tough times don't last, tough people do.

[@Zybax1]

😛😝😜

[@lukeuseforce]

Thanks for the encouragement.

[@wicket4969]

Tough time neva last, only tough people do. BelaNvdowuwbdkdn

[@Semma_Bore]

Thanks for the motivation

[@hungry_khid1007]

APeople have bills and dept to pay, stop saying this nonsense

[@saqomelqon1618]

Have you seen the job descriptions? 6 years of react, 10 years of Python, 5 years of Golang plus Docker plus K8s plus, terraform plus AWS plus GCP plus juggle torches on fire with one hand, plus plus plus… basically 6 jobs in one for a shitty start up with AI in the name with 6 rounds or interviews.

[@abgs]

On top of that, there’s in Indian willing to do that work for 80% less of what they’re offering.

[@TyronneRatcliff]

@@abgs Crazy stuff.

[@michaelcdarby]

and solved world hunger

[@AlexL-h7q]

There is a concerning trend: American IT companies are recruiting employees in India while laying off workers at other locations.

[@shis10]

It is true, i am working in small startup in India i get paid $300 per month !. ( I am full stack Developer MERN)

[@Pdfnaega]

​@@shis10what? I too from India? We'll I have just started mern stack, can you pls tell what else can I do next? Like additional stuffs? What u did can I do same? Does future look secure btw? Oh and how can I apply in future which is next year when I learn this, also 3-4 beast project idea pls 😭 I will be grateful!! Thank you for your time reading this

[@iorch82]

This been happening since early 2000s.

[@julianhatwell]

It’s been happening since the late 1990s. Consider it a constant market force and all the other peaks and troughs happen regardless.

[@abgs]

@@Pdfnaegajust go lip sync an interview like you all do

[@mixmax6027]

Sell shovels.... "how to survive in tech right now..." fingers crossed, $300-$1,000 if I get enough views.

[@redpillsatori3020]

Yes! This analogy has been on in my mind lately. A lot of these tech marketing gurus are selling shovels to poor, desperate miners at the END of a gold rush

[@self-taughtdev]

Had a verbal job offer last week. Was expecting the official offer letter and onboarding docs in an email today. Instead got a call from HR saying they pulled the job and are hiring overseas.

[@guiltyconscious]

Damn that’s a tough situation. Hang in there, maybe something better waiting for you

[@bestofthebest3812]

What was the position for and what skills did you obtain before you applied?

[@abgs]

Why wouldn’t they? An Indian cost $5/hr

[@CV-ec6mk]

This just happened to me. I even got a offer letter start date everything background check employee handbooks then the friday before the monday i was going to start i get an email saying they are going with a consulting firm and no longer need me...

[@abgs]

@@CV-ec6mk Indians are getting cheaper. A low paying job for us is a luxury for them.

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

The problem is in the US due to the Silicon Valley startups spreading like mushrooms in 2020. In Europe, if you know the language of the country e.g. Dutch here, you find job easily. And since the cost of life is lower, you save more even with lower salary.

[@LeftoverSundriesMan]

Infinite opportunity, like infinite growth, are things we feel good talking about, but do not exist in reality.

[@yl6128]

the same thing happened when i graduated in 2007, during the global financial crisis. a ton of layoffs, forcing new grads to compete with experienced the newly laid off, offshoring. i had to take a job that wasn't exactly what i wanted but still in software engineering. however, i always kept my eye for the market to open, and when it did, i was able to move to a higher paying job.

[@voiceofthetrue1849]

You are so funny 😆 The only way to survive as a bootcamp engineer is to buy another sponsored bootcamp 😇

[@dekev7503]

“Bootcamp engineer”, yeah doesn’t sound right at all.

[@0xAquaWolf]

Thanking you for bringing a balanced perspective to the current tech landscape and i love what you said about thinking of yourself as a business because i feel like that is the most powerful perspective to have as a software engineer

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

The problem is in the US due to the Silicon Valley startup. In Europe, if you know the language of the country e.g. Dutch here, you find job easily. And since the cost of life is lower, you save more even with lower salary.

[@joaohenriques3872]

the problem is , as a CS graduate i dont know for sure what craft to master, Java backend, Web development, cloud computing, AI , software development its overwhelming to choose and im hesitating in this uncertainty and i end doing nothing of it.

[@windz643]

that's my situation too, i don't even know what to focus on

[@yugsharma2107]

I think you should go for cyber security

[@BantersaurusMacSabbath]

-Java sucks, you should have found out by now. Kotlin, C# and maybe Scala are better alternatives. -There are plenty of web developer bootcamps, especially in Python and JavaScript -Cloud computing may need an MSc, but is a good idea -AI needs an MSc, but it's a vast area, training neural networks have a bright future, game AI is oversaturated imo

[@BantersaurusMacSabbath]

You forgot DevOps. That pays incredibly well, especially MLOps.

[@joaohenriques3872]

@@BantersaurusMacSabbath i didnt know that java sucked, it has multi threaded concurrency, better performance than interpreted languages like python or javascript, its secure and highly used for enterprise apps

[@amandubey5287]

this was actually quiet helpful, thanks again, i guess its time to make more complex projects and products that actually brings customers.

[@flocela]

I listen to your videos at 2x because the tough love is hard to take. : )

[@chuckcrizer]

Recycling the million pixel idea of the '90s.

[@hamdibeep4]

Thank you so very much for such well crafted video! I absolutely agree with the part where you said we need to upskill and expand our skillset so that we're more valuable, but I would like to add that we need to understand how valuable our skills are from a business perspective and better learn how to sell ourselves :)

[@pjm3005]

LOL. The mistake is thinking that a corporation gives two craps about you. It doesn't matter one bit what skills you think you have, if your employer thinks they can make more money by laying you off, you're gone. And all that time spent jumping through hoops to please your corporate masters means NOTHING.

[@Uncommony]

Being in a reccession proof industry like datacentres and engineering where there is a lack of engineers and a low entry level is a great choice for anyone. Best career change and best choice I made. Stay Uncommon!

[@lukeuseforce]

What exactly do I search for? What is the name of some of these low entry positions at a datacenter?

[@Uncommony]

@lukeuseforce if you have full electrical, plumbing, or machanical qualifications, start with building services or maintenance jobs to get the experience. Then get into datacentres. Datacentes shift technician and work your way up to a datacentres shift leader or manager. You'll easily start with £55k and work your way up to £65k with overtime. You'll clear six figures easy. I had a career change at the age of 32, went back to college, and gained qualifications in plumbing, gas, and electrical, so a lot is possible if you apply yourself.

[@timgibney5590]

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[@Uncommony]

@lukeuseforce if you have plumbing, electrical, or gas qualifications, focus on building services maintenance in hospitals or office blocks, then do an electrical qualification to get into datacentres. A shift technician in a datacentre will start at £50k-£58k and shift leader or shift manager from £60k-68k. It's going up every year because companies are competing and there's not enough engineers. I already responded, but my previous response was removed or didn't go through.

[@Pdfnaega]

I am already doing html css, I wanna be a mern stack developer, yes this is not enough, I will go with a broader roadmap like, tailwind, typescript, version control, a bit of deployment, a aws certificate etc what do you think? Should I persue mern stack web development? I am in 19 btw I have huge interest in making websites and web applications although I am from commerce background and doing bba, I don't think that matters but yeah should I pursue this? Like in terms of job security future proofing etc?

[@fabrizio.dipietro]

The problem is the companies that want a big but pay as an internship

[@Pulsefire1995]

There are other companies that have software engineering jobs. Like HEB, Walmart, Advance Auto Parts, Chick-Fil-A, WhatABurger. People just want the lame FAANG jobs.

[@TravisMedia]

I haven’t seen a big drop in pay range

[@fabrizio.dipietro]

@@TravisMedia in Italy, startup offers 800 euros to a middle.

[@Tahj-RojaeScott]

I stumbled upon the guy you mentioned in your PS last week by just browsing Twitter and I found it so inspiring and mind opening so it was cool that you mentioned that !

[@ms-pf9ow]

You got a huge relief after watching your video. Thanks!

[@2ru2pacFan]

This video is so accurate, exactly what I thought.

[@drekcari]

Thanks for reminding that I am the business

[@abdirahmantahlil8021]

Thank you very much my thinking was narrow

[@CapsLock33]

I am in the IT world. Thank you for this!

[@AlexVargas-rq7bl]

This video was really useful for me right now, so I want to thank you for share this understanding with all of us. I Like and subscribe this.

[@BigBrother04]

Just started a side hustle doing telephone interpreting. Good hourly or per minute rate, basically same i make in tech, but not enouh hours to make it a full time gig. Will get all required accreditations and maybe attempt to get the required creds for licensed immigration advisor, something i am super familiar with. If tech goes to sh*t, i am trying to prepare. Also trying to top up my mortgage to make i have more equity and that the mortgage is low enough. Will see

[@s.p.sanjay4253]

Sir I am interested in linux and the command line ,can you suggest some books .....

[@PaulaBean]

In 2000, all the pointy-haired bosses wanted to cart Java into the business. Nowadays, AI is the buzzword.

[@TravisMedia]

So it’s a passing fad?

[@PaulaBean]

@@TravisMedia Not necessarily, since Java is still used and loved today. But there will be new technologies that will attract the public interest.

[@Adam-kk7nw]

​@TravisMedia so when is skynet going come true ?

[@yutoriotsu8848]

0:15 That AI-generated 'junior developer' scene killed me. They are like kids 😂

[@d.o.nmuzic3802]

What was that Ai tool that coded a website from a sketch? That has me intrigued! 😅

[@julianhatwell]

Really good common sense advice

[@Kenbomp]

300k where in US? The globe? It makes a difference

[@netguru2004]

I think your advice is sort of there but a little misleading to an ad on backend system design. Developers who learn the business with strong communication skills will always be valuable assets in building software that the business uses I have found and seen over and over again in this industry. It is also important to learn how to use AI to complement your craft as well. Just my thoughts.

[@Albertux]

this time is different

[@shis10]

7:39 good advice ♥️💯🙌🏻

[@shockerblaze04]

Also I learned a new word....CURMUDGEON --> a bad-tempered person, especially an old one. Thanks TM! 😁

[@toldbyai]

TARkan wants a tech job

[@kaihusravnajmiddinov5413]

Python is no way one of best languages.

[@muhammadshafiqsafian6149]

hes optimist. thanks. thats what human need. another optimist in pessimist environment. Thanks.

[@botyironcastle]

inflation has nothing to do with layoffs... it's good for companies beause they can pay less year by year without new contracts.

[@ekeminios]

Thank you

[@santos-i4o]

IA will.take all the workers. And come back to study will not help anymore. Enjoy your last years of regular life, because big techs start avoid humans, at least the poors humans, olny bilionaries will survive 🎉

[@TravisMedia]

Crazy talk

[@santos-i4o]

@@TravisMedia Sorry. Anxiety beating hard 😅

[@steveoc64]

What ? You claim that there is huge pool of developers in the market, and a lack of demand to hire them. That's not whats happening at all. There has always been more demand than supply - for decades - and the gap between supply and demand is getting worse every year. Demand continues to grow, and the supply of developers is not growing to match it. Backlogs of projects are getting longer than ever. The ratio of what companies want vs what they are getting done continues to nosedive. To claim that the Developer Economy is tough is pure fantasy. How are you coming to this conclusion ?

[@Actor_Giovanni]

Why would a company hire even a skilled developer in the US and still pay $ 100,000 + a year, when they can hire an entire highly skilled team in the rest of the planet for less and use AI, too. Come on, certifications used to give you opportunities in the 90's. Now have AI that gets better on a daily basis and you can ask directly what you need to know in real-time. Don't need a BootCamp, or certifications, or paying 150 000 dollars a year plus bonus to a developer who gets burned out every 6 months. I don't see why or how it will go back. Please tell me if I am wrong.

[@Pdfnaega]

Hmm honestly your thinking is very narrow and kinda stupid, yes you are wrong in many ways 🤦 see today I have been quite stressed helping others and don't have that energy to reply here to correct someone, it's like u never coded + u never worked + u never have been in the outer world or any decent company that is why it's very childish argument. I'll ask u these questions and if even a single answer is NO, then u will check those and delete your comment!? Have u seen the world reports of which jobs will be faked by ai? For eg - IMF _ GenAI : artificial intellegnce and the future of work; Future of jobs report 2023 by world economic forum. Have u read these with thorough research and checking specifically tech roles? Ik u have note better check them out, and then delete your comment :), btw in short the onees which won't be deflected by Ai are tech jobs lol 😹 yeah I couldn't believe it but it's true :) *delete your comment this misleads or discourage youth*

[@looksmatteronly]

Ai is shit

[@icec0ld378]

Coding is rapidly being automated along with offshoring...plan accordingly

[@SarFirraEdits]

Things are changing....Yes New World order is coming to fruition... illuminati 😅

[@itscooldawgdonteventrip]

it's dead bro.

[@taterrhead]

still waiting for all those 'new jobs' and 'opportunities' that AI would unlock ...

[@TravisMedia]

Doesn't happen overnight...

[@hungry_khid1007]

​@@TravisMediaits been 2 years pal

[@digitnomad]

No more coding job down the road...

[@amanagarwalx]

Please travis, don't make these repeated videos. I am someone who highly appreciated your work since a long time but watching this wasted my time ngl and you are literally saying the same stuff in this video what every other guy is saying.

[@TravisMedia]

Sometimes, the same stuff is what people need to hear. Most are looking and waiting for some new innovative thought when the answers are there already.

[@amanagarwalx]

@@TravisMedia That's true. But I watch most of your videos and I already knew before watching the video of what you will say in it but yeah , whatever you said is true.

[@TheApeWonder]

Thanks for the encouraging words! I went from golden days of front end to UX/product design to layoff to now - back at school studying cybersecurity where I also learn Python and Django for automation and application development. I know I know Python for everything but then again, same thing for JavaScript. Gotta save time and find tools for many areas and stay practical when facing problems. Love the problem to understand the needs more than fancy solutions!

[@TravisMedia]

Python is a great choice

[@chrisg5433]

Software development is the only profession I know of where kids go and take a 3 month bootcamp course, or watch a few tutorials and then consider themselves as qualified as those with actual computer science degrees and get surprised when they can't get hired. You don't see hospitals hiring doctors who have taken bootcamp courses or how would you feel about flying on airlines with "self taught" pilots and while we're at it why not just let anyone who's watched a few engineering videos architect a few suspension bridges or skyscrapers ? 🤣 . I am not saying you need a 4 year computer science degree to be competent but boot camps and such do not teach the deep level of understanding and critical problem solving skills needed to develop modern software.

[@TravisMedia]

Here we go again. It doesn't take a licensed MD, a licensed pilot, or a computer science degree to do 70% of the dev work out there. The comparisons are ridiculous (heart surgeon, modern web app, same thing). Will it be harder to get in, sure, but the hundreds of thousands of self-taught and bootcamp grads, etc in the industry beg to differ with you. And by the way, the majority are not "kids" either.

[@chrisg5433]

@@TravisMedia I have 30 years experience in the software development industry as well as a 4 year computer science degree and I can 100% tell you that these bootcamps do no equip people with the necessary skills needed to become an effective developer in the 21st century. Is it possible to be an effective developer without a degree ? Of course, but those people are few . The vast majority of people I see complaining about not being able to get employed are "kids" who have taken a bootcamp course , which taught them html and promised them a 6 figure salary. They then rock up to technical interviews where they have memorised a few "leet code" algorithms and are unable to demonstrate even the most basic problem solving skills. You can absolutely be an MD or a pilot without having a degree having learned the knowledge in the field too, the point I am making is that the market is flooded with "kids" who have taken a 3 month course promising them exorbitant salaries and not getting hired. You don't see hundreds of people applying for doctors roles after having watched a few videos on heart surgery .

[@dekev7503]

@@TravisMediayeah, Only someone without an Engineering degree can make such an ignorant comment. Apart from a vast amount of knowledge, the Engineering mindset is something that you only attain through a rigorous Engineering degree. AI has just proven that the vast majority of bootcamp grads are literally not Engineers. AI cannot replace real Engineers

[@zegavn6269]

@@chrisg5433 So, genuine question here, for @dekev7503, I am working in Helpdesk position (I do not have any type of degree or cert just hands on experience) and I'm wanting to go from this position to a backend or maybe somewhere in the field of Cybersecurity and I see a lot of people commenting and videos as well, that you do not really need a degree but it seems like the people with more experience in the field says you do as your comment seems to point to, so I'm a bit on confuse on that part, do you NEED a degree to get a job or not really? can you learn to get into a job (yeah not 3 months boot camps cause that is really unrealistic) to be at a level of be a dev, security analyst or any other type on the higher area on IT fields?

[@ordinarygg]

You are media, not developer how do you know what's going on, lol

[@TravisMedia]

Travis Developer didn’t sound too appealing

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[@everyonecanbefascist]

learn ai to see if you get any chance, otherwise just change your career path