How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World - Sibling Rivalry

The final part of the DreamWorks trilogy is here! Doug and Rob see if How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World goes out on a high note.
How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World is a 2019 American computer-animated action fantasy film loosely based on the book series of the same name by Cressida Cowell, produced by DreamWorks Animation and distributed by Universal Pictures. It is the sequel to How to Train Your Dragon 2 (2014) and the final installment in the How to Train Your Dragon film trilogy. Written and directed by Dean DeBlois, the film stars the voices of Jay Baruchel, America Ferrera, Cate Blanchett, Craig Ferguson, and F. Murray Abraham.
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[@benwasserman8223]

Whoever thought DreamWorks would make TWO amazing trilogies from the most unlikeliest of sources: Kung-fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon

[@mackenziecarver6807]

Rise of the Guardians should have also been another

[@joevictor53]

Ben Wasserman Madagascar as well. The first one is a bit weak but the second and third make up for it

[@motor4X4kombat]

you know the funny thing about that? is that both of them are set in an ancient foreign country mixing mytological lore and real life philosophy, and they are both heros journeys that they can be both funny and dramatic, without using modern pop culture humor. And thats a giant problem dreamworks suffers pop culture garbage, i mean sure the first two shrek movies did this fine as parody of fairy tales, but after that every dreamworks movie was trying to mimic shrek with the pixar type of story line of what if. shark tale: what if the fish has a comunity ...with attitude! madagascar: what if animals can leave the zoo.. with attitude! monsters vs alien: what if monsters defend us for great dangers ...with attitude! boss baby: what if.. you know the drill. honestly they should go to the, for a lack of a better term, the shonnen anime route and select a specific time period, with a specific philosofy and lore (both real and fictional), with a specific scense of humor and they can make a franchise by beeing its own thing, without appealing to the american audience with pop culture references, or an edgy sence of humor, sure animes can do that too but they also create a world with their own identidy with timeless themes. the closest thing dreamworks did that reach the levels of kung fu panda or dragons is, how the other one said, rise of the guardians, but since most people forget about that film (ironacly one of the key themes of the film) they didn't give them the chance to explore it, even friggin puss in boots has some type of dignity despite having one, or two moments of "but the charts says.."

[@BrenoRanyere]

Man they were so close with shrek 1 and 2 also... Madagascar was never amazing but all 3 movies were fine Kung fu panda 3 was fine as well but compared to 1 and 2 it doesnt really feel like it belongs in this trilogy

[@ac14cmpunk25]

3rd KFP was terrible

[@MediaMogulMA]

The villain is what Hiccup could have become if he what through with killing Toothless in the first movie. He killed a nightfury, got a taste for it and couldn't stop himself until they were all gone. And they move the dragons because they know people will always come to take them away or kill them, so they take the who village because Hiccup feels they can all live with them in peace to protect each other

[@abominationxl6244]

Thats a really good point you got there.

[@avlisdreams3427]

Yes, yes, yes!!!!!!! You put it down perfectly, these were my thoughts exactly.

[@Tobenatorr]

While I thought that the villian was a weak character in this, no backstory really and no build-up, I did see that similarity. While Hiccup couldn't kill a Nightfury the villian did and then hunted them all down. The Antithesis of Hiccup

[@realdaggerman105]

Tyler Tobeck well, if toothless died in the fall, Hiccup might have become an entirely different person.

[@kirstenzerbinis2973]

Ehh? But the movie was boring, rushed, the light fury was a prop and super ugly, and the movie shouldn’t even exist in my opinion

[@khloiotaku6073]

With Valka, I think it's excusable she doesn't do much parenting. Considering the fact she's only known her son for a year, while Stoick had 20 years of ups and downs with Hiccup. Valka doesn't do much parenting because she was never really a mother to Hiccup. And I think that's highlighted a bit at near the end of the movie, when Hiccup is frustrated and upset about losing to Toothless to Grimmel. Because where a mother figure would step in to encourage her son, she instead advises Astrid to go talk to him. She does know quite a bit about him, but not as much as Astrid to comfort him. Am I explaining this right?

[@ajlaemjah252]

Sounds about right.

[@humblememer2640]

Right

[@bemasaberwyn55]

Makes a lot of sense

[@alexbellon1892]

Sounds legit.

[@89taklung]

I interpreted it kinda different, though I agree that she definitely didn't raise him like stoik and probably doesn't feel she has the connection to do so. I felt that, though out the movie, she kinda coached Astrid on how to be a wife for a chief, something she has had some experience in. I thought she felt like "this is not a mothers place, this is a moment were the wife is supposed to give encouragement and stand by his side, not the mother.

[@00ammy00]

The ending really was the best part of the film, and it was a solid conclusion to the trilogy. Also Hiccup and Astrid are adorable, I love their romance.

[@darkblood626]

I just don’t get how people like the ending of this movie. It seems completely anathema to the message of everything that came before.

[@blueberrypitbull87]

00ammy00 they should have made them child free. Child free couples are rarely shown in the media. Very underrepresented. They should not have made them have kids.

[@TheDuckClock]

@@blueberrypitbull87 Uhhh ... The Fredricksen's from Up?

[@MichaelJose]

It would be a great conclusion, but knowing Dreamworks they’re gonna cash out and make a sequel about their kids or some shit anyways

[@AbcDefg-tq3ju]

1. They have an adopted kid 2. They arent a couple anymore

[@unmessable12]

I think Hiccup explained quite well that the reason they had to leave was because they were a target, and that even if they defeated Grimmel there would always be someone else. That's a pretty valid reason to leave I think.

[@DreamTheory1994]

eh dont see it that way at all. i really thought they were just going to follow his plan of going to the hidden world with the dragons. it felt forced and rushed and totally unneeded at that point.

[@holad-jlsegovia-423]

@@DreamTheory1994 dragons in the hidden world hate humans so it's impossible for humans to live there

[@RavenPH12]

Some made solid counterarguments. Since Berk knows where the Hidden World is (at least Hiccup and Astrid do) they will be "targeted" for information on where the dragons are now. Also, in the past movies, it was emphasized that the Vikings and Dragons are stronger together and the world is better for it, but the 3rd one retconned the message of the 2 movies... But despite those criticisms, I still like the ending of the movie and the series as a whole.

[@Ncholasbloom]

yeah in the netflix show they had a bunch of dragon hunters

[@roiitzkovich4545]

But dragons and humans are stronger together, so even if someone will come to fight them their chances to win are bigger together. If someone wants to hunt dragons, he will find The Hidden World eventually, considering how easily Hiccup and Astrid found it.

[@bobbylambert22]

I cried, not gonna lie. Fantastic film!

[@Disney65Fan]

Me too

[@wcapewell3089]

Me too

[@hayscollins5867]

Sammmeeee

[@craftpaint1644]

Didn't cry but it was a perfect exit for this story.

[@humblememer2640]

I came close

[@afroallura3791]

I adored this film, I’m not sure if I rank this or the second one higher, but the first will still always be my favourite of the series.

[@kennedylareign]

afroallura me too!! The first one is amazing and it made me fall in love with this franchise. I think I put the third one above the second one though

[@BrenoRanyere]

The way i see it... second one feels the most epic and thid one feels the most charming

[@SasukeUchiwa104]

The second one had more backstory and impact. A major character (Stoick) was killed by another major character (Toothless). That is pretty much unheard of in a pg animated film. Also Drago Bloodfist was a better villain in my opinion. He used abuse and fear to control his dragons. He also had a reason for hating dragons, his village was burned down by dragons. Grimmel didn't have a backstory, he just killed Nightfuries because his village praised him for killing them. He also went down a lot easier than Drago, despite that fact that he was a lot smarter and more skilled in battle strategy. He didn't even have a proper face off will Hiccup. He just got pushed off of the Lightfury and that was it. I think the final showdown scene should have been longer, it was kind of anticlimactic. But overall the 3rd one was a close second to the 2nd movie.

[@afroallura3791]

Jason Martin Agree for the most part, but I feel the third film was a vastly different film to the second. The third felt way more character-driven, and focused primarily on the bond between Hiccup and Toothless and the people important to them. I think due to the strong themes, the villain was more or less just a catalyst that helped Hiccup and the Berkians face the fact that it was time to let go. That being said, I wish they hadn’t built the villain up to be such an all-encompassing threat in the trailers; I was definitely more terrified of Drago. I like to think of the second one as the “Empire Strikes Back” of the trilogy haha.

[@SasukeUchiwa104]

Well the reason I was kind of disappointed with Grimmel was because they said he was this all powerful terrifying villain like we had never seen before, but he went down without a proper fight. Also I heard from some people that Drago was supposed to appear in the 3rd film. He didn't die at the end of the 2nd one, he just fled with his Bewilderbeast after it lost it's dominance over the other dragons to Tootgless. He was also supposed to be the finale villain originally, and I honesty agree. He would have been terrifying enough to shock Hiccup into hiding the dragons. Grimmel wasn't that threatening, at least his original goal wasn't. His main goal was to just to kill Toothless because he liked to hunt Nightfuries as a sport. Grimmel hated all dragons and wanted to use them as tools of war and make them destroy other dragons, effectively making dragons destroy themselves. I kind of wonder if another reason Hiccup decided to hide the dragons even after Grimmel's defeat is because Drago is still alive. I wonder why they didn't just kill him off if they decided not to have him appear in the final film. Over all I thought the 3rd was great, I just think certain things could have been done better.

[@khloiotaku6073]

Those Dragon Trappers wanted an Army of Dragons for their own. And Berk was full of them. Their motivation was greed. And power. Simple. Not ALL villains need a tragic backstory. Sorta the same with Grimmel, as he's a parallel to Hiccup. Where Hiccup freed his Night Fury, Grimmel killed his. Setting him on a very different path. He became a hero, people celebrated him. So he set out to kill the others, finish the job. But strange thing, it's not just greed and fame, it's sort of in a messed up caring(?) way I guess? It struck me when he was talking with Hiccup in his house. "That sort of thinking is dangerous" He sees Hiccups dream of a world where dragons and Vikings live together in peace as dangerous. A foolish ideology. And that kinda related to the real world a bit. Do you get what I'm saying?

[@monsterhunter66]

I do understand.

[@Nightwingdadragoness]

Yeah, I got that Grimmel was a opposite to Hiccup and if you think about it when Hiccup downed Toothless and was ready to kill him, Toothless just let it happen. He didn’t fight back and just let himself accept his fate. So you can imagine that when Grimmel found his Nightfury, it probably reacted similarly except he actually killed it in that moment which doesn’t make him as heroic as he makes himself out to be.

[@kurisucosmo7954]

Exactly! Wonderful way to put it, couldn't have said it better. I'm not gonna lie to myself and say that Grimmel is a fleshed out character, or even the best villain of this franchise (that honor goes to Viggo). But he was perfect for what this movie needed, and served as a really great reminder of what Hiccup could have become and didn't because of his own crucial choices. I love the parallels between them, and the fact that at the end of it all, the only way Hiccup beat Grimmel was when he chose Toothless over himself, and when he chose to let go. Great contrast to Grimmel who could never do anything but for himself, and a great continuity of Hiccup making these type of choices is exactly what makes him strong

[@kurisucosmo7954]

@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 and that's what I love about the ending. Because it's a lot more realistic, and it forces us to look at the harsh reality of what humans are capable of and not capable of. Every time there has been a species of huge or powerful animal that humans feared, we either ended up dominating it or it went extinct. There's simply no realistic way for all of humanity and dragons to coexist as equals without massive harm to either species. And no matter the strides of progress made in that regard, it will always be the same. Hiccup has to come to terms with that, and so do we, and I appreciate that the series didn't pander to a false, fluffy version of reality. Besides, the books end the same way, and in there, Hiccup does arguably even more to try to integrate dragons with humans and still fails. People don't succeed every single time they set their mind to something, and that's a part of maturing that we all have to go through. It doesn't make all the trials and efforts we put in as pointless or fruitless, because as we can see through Hiccup and Toothless, it can lead to growth and progression regardless of success. Furthermore, even if the results weren't what Hiccup may have wanted, he would have never met Toothless and he would have never become who he is now, and same goes for Toothless. So clearly, it's not pointless, just a sad and unfortunate result

[@kurisucosmo7954]

@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 ok, clearly you're a little confused. According to Stoick, the Hidden World always existed, but the dragons and humans we see in the first 2 films knew nothing about it (except for in myth). Sure, dragons may have originally come from the Hidden World thousands of years ago... but there's such a thing as migration, and that means that the current dragons we see were born in other continents and places (like Berk). They're not all born or come from the Hidden World. So the existence of the Hidden World has nothing to do with the first two films' story, characters, or message at all. And lastly, for the movie's moral to be found in the title is incredibly childish. Yes, it happens sometimes, but it doesn't most of the time. And they only called it How to Train Your Dragon because of the books. But from the beginning of the movies, we can see that the point of these films was the characters of Hiccup and Toothless and they're relationship with each other. And these movies have clearly had the strongest theme of growth and development from the very beginning. It's not that a group of humans living in harmony with dragons is impossible. But for all of humanity and all of dragons to do the same? That is. Please tell me of any powerful species of creature that we haven't dominated and is currently extinct, or is heading toward extinction? Yes, Hiccup and Toothless drastically changed the world around them to live in harmony. And that's great. But that is not the point of these movies. The point of these movies is to tell of a relationship between two characters who change each other for the better. One just happens to be a human, and one a dragon. Is it a shame that Hiccup ultimately fails? Yes of course, but his own victory is to become a leader for his people, just as it is for Toothless to do for his.

[@HarryThomasPictures]

The Hidden World has now topped Toy Story 3 as the greatest conclusion to a Trilogy ever!

[@bohgirl11]

Sadly "Toy Story 3" isn't even the official conclusion now since "Toy Story 4" is soon to be released.

[@akl296]

@@bohgirl11 i think that adds to it

[@jamieohjamie]

Toy Story 4 tho.

[@zeta2209]

Maybe ending-wise, but I still feel Toy Story 3 is still a better film overall.

[@MrGabeanator]

bohgirl24 I know

[@shadowninja569]

I Heart Astrid, first movie she was Meh but the way she has matured throughout 2-3 is just amazing

[@pizzaparker__0072]

Have you watched the tv series? It shows every5hing about how hiccup and astrid have evolved together and how they have learned to appreciate the other. Its mostly on netflix, as Race to The Edge. Its pretty good, but sometimes it lacks in the entertainment part. Could be i’ve rewatched it a couple times though. If you really really care about hiccup and astrid and wanna see how they grew together, watch it.

[@ttthewolfgirl]

D3rr1ck1707 *cough cough It all started from Riders and Defenders pf berk as well >~< Those are crucial and very important and happened before Race to the edge existed

[@pizzaparker__0072]

TT the Wolfgirl its not as in depth as rtte. At all, little to no hiccup + astrid in the riders & defenders of berk

[@ttthewolfgirl]

D3rr1ck1707 There doesnt always need to be Hiccup and Astrid kiss kiss love love all the damn time 😂 For Riders and Defenders it gives insight to Heather, the Outcasts and Dagur along with new dragons and Hiccup and the gang in development and especially Hiccup and Astrid slowly building up as friends before becoming love intrests

[@pizzaparker__0072]

TT the Wolfgirl what? Guy asked about hiccup and Astrid, not about the entire damn series. They don’t only ‘kiss kiss love love’. It doesn’t work that way bud. Sorry.

[@AyPopBubble]

I am so glad both of you guys really enjoyed the How To Train Your Dragon trilogy. Also, I find it fascinating that animated sand was amazing to you guys. I also really appreciated the glow effects done in the hidden world. For example, the dragons glowing inside their egg to the effects that sparkle on the Light Fury. Yeah. I got emotional for various reasons when I look back on the trilogy. Also, I see your own little Night Fury dragon on the bottom right at 20:49!

[@thefirstbourne149]

Smohbitz Where?

[@rachelle5169]

Hey when i saw that movie i was also very impressed with that sand. You can see the individual grains and when it moves omg it was great

[@Mathadar]

Yeah, I got teary eyed too, especially when they removed the saddles, and let their dragons go.. Loved the bittersweet moment.

[@khloiotaku6073]

Snotlout hitting on Valka was a bit disturbing... ... And it gets even more so when you realise they never denied him being Hiccup's cousin. So he's essentially trying to hook up with his Aunt.

[@MrSnailDood2]

I think they unofficially confirmed that Snotlout isn't related to Hiccup in this movie, because Snotlout had a line that said "When Hiccup dies I'll be heir *because* I'm Valka's fave." when he could've said "When Hiccup dies I'll be heir since I'm his cousin."

[@khloiotaku6073]

@@MrSnailDood2 But it's proven that you don't need to be blood to take the title heir. After all, they celebrated Hiccup getting chosen as successor. I don't think Astrid would be been as joyful if it was just decided from the beginning.

[@MrSnailDood2]

@@khloiotaku6073 You raised a fair point, but... You think the writers would have made Snotlout flirt with his aunt?

[@ztad]

Disturbing? Maybe a little. In character? Definitely! Boy hits on everything and everyone cooler than himself. In no particular order over the cause of the movies and shows: Astrid, the Wingmaidens, Dagur, Mala, Thor Bone crusher, Ruffnut , and yeah, Valka.

[@jedidiahdriscoll4963]

The Whisperer of Death you need to see race the the edge to see that he wasn’t hitting on her, just like Thor bone crusher he was just observing a role model, for example when Valka gives him a compliment he takes it to hart saying “ yeah, I’m number one” instead of saying” you really think so” and giving her puppy eyes. He isn’t hitting on her.

[@KnightSlasher]

They always say how to train your Dragon but never ask how is the Dragon

[@jamieohjamie]

Why is dragon?

[@DavidRay39]

@@jamieohjamie that's not a complete question.

[@zeecobra1044]

Can you stop appearing in every single gosh darn review of HTTYD 3?

[@jamieohjamie]

@@DavidRay39 Someone never watched Avengers

[@greninjajoestar8771]

When is the Dragon

[@slashermaster28]

2:35- Don't worry, it's been confirmed that they won't make more. The original plan was to make 7 HTTYD films, but Katzenberg convinced Dreamworks to make it a trilogy instead.

[@hunterchristopherson5694]

slashermaster28 do you think the plans for the other movies were made into the tv shows?

[@mjangelvortex]

@@hunterchristopherson5694 The HTTYD series did have 3 different TV shows I think as well as a bunch of shorts so it could be possible.

[@slashermaster28]

Well, seems my info was wrong.

[@mjangelvortex]

@WillFanofMany Yeah, Dean doesn't really care from sequels from what I recall.

[@holad-jlsegovia-423]

7 movies??? I never heard about that. They just wanted a sequel and Dean pitched a trilogy. You are confusing HTTYD with KFP, they wanted 6 movies with Panda

[@miguelcapetillo7160]

If I had to nitpick some flaws about this movie, yeah, some of the comedic bits aren't that good (but a lot of them really are). I also thought the final battle wasn't a visual spectacle like the huge battle in the 2nd act of the 2nd movie, but just like you said... I didn't care, because the stuff they focused on (Hiccup, Toothless, The Light Fury and...the villain) and the thing, the desicion Hiccup took in that momment...it felt so true, so emotionaly moving, so sincere, so powerful, so right...and you can pretty much summarized the whole finale of the movie with those words, it's just perfect, flawless...and despite being a big conclusion to the series and the farwell to this characters, it didn't feel overly-corny like something like the ending of Toy Story 3. It just felt perfect. And just like Kung Fu Panda, (and like you mentioned) they grew the characters, in other anumated franchises you can feel like they've learned and stick to the lesson of the previous chapters, but in How To Train Your Dragon you can feel like the character has grown, not change completely, but grown as a person. Especially the 3 main characters they decided to focus on. Hiccup started as a whimpy outcast kid (that despite saying he wanted the approval of the people around you, he always stayed true to himself while in other movies they would have the main character try to change who he is just to learn the lesson he already knows), to a grown adolescent who is brave but diplomatic, and has to learn to accept his responsabilities as a leader, and then to a leader who has to face the biggest change in his life, not starting his life into a new land with his people, but to let go of his best friend and say goodbye to him. And in every instolment they made sure to show how Toothless started as sort of a mirror reflection of Hiccup, as an outcast who responded to Hiccup's mercy with more mercy, to a companion, to be his most trusted and dearest friend. Yeah, the idiots that accompany Hiccup are still idiots (although the two twins had some of the funniest momments). I would've liked to see more of the mother (even though I think the dynamic they had between her and Astrid, as a mother talking wisdom into her son's fiancee, was great). Yeah, the villain was kinda underweling, despite the fact that they were setting him up to represent the mirror opposite of Hiccup, they didn't do anything with it. And I would have loved if we had spent more time in the (gorgeous looking) Hidden World (as the tittle kinda suggests we should). But I just don't care, this was just a great ending to a great series. I had to try super hard to not be the only one crying in a room full of kids.

[@ztad]

I stopped fighting the tears and just let them run for the last 15 minutes tbh. I regret nothing. I loved this movie and it was such a good end to the series.

[@mrinternet.]

Seriously? Toy Story was corny? It's great that you loved this movie but give credit where it's due.

[@jedidiahdriscoll4963]

To be fair, they will give more time to the mother with the tv series Just like for race the the edge did for httyd 2. Also tou should watch the tv series, I won’t spoil it, but there is a BRILLIANT twist that comes out of nowhere, and the first glimpse of it I dismissed since we had known the character for so long. It gives richness and a wholesomeness to the franchise as full blown adventures that explain everything from hiccups suit, his flaming sword, and how Skullcrusher became stoics’ dragon. It’s

[@ChrisSagem]

19:14 - 19:47 Anakin Skywalker - "I don't like sand!" "It's rough, coarse, irritating, and gets in everywhere!"

[@josephmann9624]

From what I could tell, Grimmel's motivation was more than just being a hero. When Drago first met Hiccup, he said he was bring "freedom to the people of this world"; when Grimmel explains why he's doing what he's doing to Hiccup, he says he's bringing "true freedom to the people of this world," quoting Drago, but making it clear he's not out to conquer, but to liberate. He shows this to be true when he reveals to the warlords that he's going to kill Toothless. Doing so would end the warlords control of Berk's dragon army, and the dragons and hunters would destroy one another. This would satisfy Grimmel, as there would be no Night-furies, no dragons, and no tyrants left. Plus, Hiccup would have learned that he's nothing without Toothless. Too bad for Grimmel... that didn't work out.

[@Beacuzz]

I get the feeling that if I watched the show I'd get more of the little moments.

[@holad-jlsegovia-423]

Kinda, there's not a lot of references to the show in this movie actually

[@00ammy00]

Totally agree with Doug, from the time of the character falling the movie was pretty much perfect, the timing of the music was great too cause it felt similar to a scene from the first movie.

[@mjangelvortex]

6:10 Oh yep. I think that happened because: a) Gobber was originally going to be the one that died in the second movie, not Stoick. b) Valka had a bigger role in the second movie as the villain but that idea was ultimately scrapped. I think they really didn't know what to do with her after the rewrites.

[@holad-jlsegovia-423]

I mean she didn't do a lot in the second movie too she basically stops being important to the plot after Stoick dies

[@superxavxii421]

Thank God I'm not the only one pissed there making a toy story 4

[@keeganprusinowski5189]

Superxav12 cash grab

[@milesjohnson8846]

Keegan Prusinowski I saw it, it’s the furthest thing from a cash grab. Pixar’s best movie in years.

[@CovaDax]

The Weird thing about Dreamworks Movies is that they universaslly look like the worst movie ever in the trailers. Me: "What? Jack Black playing a fat lazy panda that wants to learn Kung Fu? That's the dumbest idea i've ever heard." Me "Okay, the last one was great, but there's no way they can capture lightning in a bottle a second time. Gary Oldman as an evil peacock and just more Jack Black being a fat lazy Panda that wants to learn Kung Fu." Me "Okay, two flukes, now they're gonna ruin the whole story about the Goose being his dad and make some misguided message about Bryan Cranston not being his real dad." Me x3: This is probably the best movie I've ever seen.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

This trilogy is the same

[@arturocastroverde3349]

me in 2008 this was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ski dush me in 2011 cry a lot perfect sequel amazing!!!!!!!!!! me in 2016 it was great my least favourite but is still very good finale

[@kingocto]

Couple things.. I felt that they left their home NOT because of this evil guy with two dragons.. I think its because of the consistency they have of having to defend themselves. Bringing new dragons to the island invoked chaos internally, which is why hiccup received that one advice.. "sooner or later you are gonna spark a fight you cant win" which is why they needed to move on. Hiccup even mentioned how hid father was searching for the hidden world... so the motion to move even preceded the events before this movie. Also the animation.. I felt was great, the one big evidence I caught the most was how Hiccup painted the new tail for Toothless. He used black paint and as he painted you could tell the difference between dry and wet.. and that effect was brilliant.. even though it was a very small detail.

[@TheUchiha997]

I've been waiting for this review ever since I saw the film! It released in January in Norway, and I've been waiting for this film to release in the states just to see people's reactions and reviews of it! Though one thing I don't get, and it honestly kinda sadens me that I've seen NO-ONE TALK ABOUT THIS Yet: JOHN POWELL'S AMAZING SCORE!! Seriously, the evolution of just the main theme is incredible. From the very first film's gentle start, introducing us to this world. To the second film's masterful opening theme of mixing a lot of themes from the first film and having fun with them, aswell as just confidently welcoming you back to this world, to this third film.. Where they build up to it.. Honestly it might take 'a bit' too long for my liking, but it's all worth it for just THAT PAYOFF! A shift in melodies, and a build up, and then just those first few notes.. Ahh!! It's a beautiful grand welcome to the final chapter. (Granted it didn't make me cry as fast (I mean HTTYD2 still has that record of 28 seconds) but I mean 4 minutes isn't awful either to be honest! Great review though, but man it just kinda sadens me that NO-ONE seems to talk about that element, and I think that the soundtrack for all three of these films is phenomenal and deserves A LOT more credit than it gets.

[@ObesityStupidity]

You are not alone) John Powell is the second John Williams to me now.

[@Macapta]

If Tim Curry voiced the villain he'd be perfect

[@RhythmGrizz]

So it's essentially the Bye Bye Butterfree episode of season 1 of Pokémon. Got it.

[@morgangobin9985]

Yeah, except Ash never sees Butterfree again.

[@RhythmGrizz]

@@morgangobin9985 maybe one day...

[@bandotaku]

Oh no, don't remind me! ....But yes, exactly that.

[@samsamsam4790]

Bye bye butterfree with the emotional moments of goodbye pikachu

[@justintolley9403]

Literally what I was thinking by the end of the movie

[@samychami-tondreau6897]

Ha i noticed the sand to, didnt think anyone else would find it that remarkable

[@clericofchaos1]

How to train your dragon 4: Armageddon! This time we have xenomorphs!

[@Rude_door]

Think where we'd be without sand. Sand! Sand! Saaand!

[@danielmkubacki]

I saw How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World in 3D. It was awesome. I love this movie. You need to see it in 3D.

[@carlotta4th]

I disagree a bit on the mother point. It's true that she doesn't really have a "moment" like in the other films, but I actually thought she was being a parent GREAT for the stage of life he's in. He's growing up, the chief of a whole village--he needs room to grow and get the hang of things and she gives him that space to do so. Take the raid, for example: she perches in the rafters and watches the youngsters battle (obviously ready to swoop in if needed but trying to let them figure it out and make their own mistakes first). She may have been a bit underused for the film but not egregiously so since the focus of the film is on romantic love this time, not parental themes.

[@craftpaint1644]

Also she didn't want to be an obstacle to Astrid's relationship/partnership with Hiccup, instead she encouraged it. That ain't bad.

[@notleah8700]

Considering she only comes into Hiccup’s when he’s in his 20s it would seems rather pretentious for her if she tried mimicking the parenting moments that Stoic had with Hiccup.

[@avlisdreams3427]

You two are right, the movie had things to nit-pick about, but the good stuff is still freaking one of the best I ever saw. Especially the ending. I cried like mad on the end, and my sister told me the second time she went to see the movie she could hear half the theater sobbing.

[@patricklauer4452]

I think you guys should watch the animated series of this franchise that’s in the middle of the films

[@zeratul____1228]

The first 2 series were okay but it was obvious that it only existed to sell toys. RTTE however was definitely about the characters and story.

[@horse14t]

Yes! I also loved the little tidbits in Hidden World about the series and even Gift of the Night Fury! Like Hiccup's dragon plushie and Snotlout's womanizing.

[@jendoe9436]

I had my entire Monday evenings planned around "Riders" and "Denfenders." Get home, grab some dinner, and plop myself in front of my tv by 8/7 central just in time for the opening to start. The animation was definitely a bit jarring the first few episodes, but I eventually got over it and feel back in love the characters. RTTE is my first Netflix binge show and I was so happy when my friend started watching it as well. Now I just have to convince her to watch the other two.

[@holad-jlsegovia-423]

The CN seasons are more consistent and it's a solid show. And while I agree RTTE is better and has more highlights, it has really bad episodes and season 5 just sucks

[@rainbow.fr0g]

I loved this movie.i like the second one better but all these movies are amazing.one of the best movie franchises ever.

[@mjohnson849]

Thank God I'm not the only one pissed off about Toy Story 4.

[@okidenshi7176]

Doug you should totally do a top 11 dreamworks movies video!! :D

[@enderbartnik3148]

I have to say, I like this quite a bit. Usually when there are multiple speakers in a video, they are very organized and obviously scripted (or seem that they are). This on the other hand, is the opposite. Whether its scripted or not, it feels much more like a natural conversation.

[@highvoltage7797]

Ender Bartnik They’re been doing this type of video for years. Are you new?

[@enderbartnik3148]

@@highvoltage7797 very new, forst video of this format (ive watched nostalgia critic for some time now), just felt obligated to point out the unique and entertaining style

[@johnaldridge83]

The How To Train Your Dragon trilogy is the best trilogy this decade IMO.

[@zachsutton9866]

John wick had potential to be a great trilogy but Parabellum was disappointing and they're dragging it out. Just how I feel on it

[@Dubbel12]

I loved it so much. Ive NEVER in my life fought back tears like in the ending of this movie. There was bunch of teenagers including me watching the movie so I didnt wanna burst into tears in front of them ^^' had to have a moment of breakdown afterwards in my car.

[@FlawedCoil82]

I really can't wait to see this! So glad they are finally releasing "Dragons: Race To The Edge" on DVD too! I just bought Seasons 1 And 2!

[@TheAncientdragon1]

Same here!

[@christophermatera1425]

@FlawedCoil82 I live in the USA in a state called TX (Texas). Where is Dragons: Race to the Edge being sold? Because I own Dragons: Defenders of Berk and Dragons: Riders of Berk as well as the 2 movies and the shorts like Gobber's Boneknapper and of course the books but I don't have Dragons: Race to the Edge. It's irritating me to no end

[@FlawedCoil82]

+Christopher Matera I also live in the USA. "Dragons: Race To The Edge Seasons 1 And 2" was released as a 4 disc set on DVD February 12th! I bought mine at Target for $14.99 but Walmart or Amazon also have it! "Seasons 3 And 4" releases on March 5th and the final set "Seasons 5 And 6" comes out March 26th!

[@FlawedCoil82]

@Funny I already saw them on Netflix. I want the physical copies so I am not at risk of losing them if/when they are taken off Netflix.

[@wcapewell3089]

This movie broke me, i actually ended up crying at the end and that carried on throughout the journey home and a little when i got home. I had to have a conversation with my mother about change, and im 18. This film is the end of a franchise that i have been a fan of since childhood, and now that its all over i am extremely upset. Unlike my brother, i actually have a soul and i actually cry at the movies. The last times i cried at the cinema was when Dobby the house elf died, Yondu from Guardians died, stoick from dragons died, and the end of Mary Poppins returns (as the first film was a part of my childhood) (and mary poppins 2 is the film that made both me and my mother cry in the car).

[@peterrosa3093]

I would love it if they reviewed the live action Kim Possible movie. Me and my friend had a great time ripping it to shreds.

[@goodial]

probably gonna have to wait for Disneycember :)

[@kyuubicat5]

Totally agree. I had a lotta nitpicks but ultimately I’m glad I saw it

[@kennedylareign]

I weeped at the end of this movie. It hurt so good to see these characters grow up before my eyes. These movies have so much heart and talent put into them, and I have enjoyed every bit of growing up with these characters over the last decade.

[@lightninglady]

i’m so glad someone else recognized how awesome that sand animation was. it really stood out to me when i first saw the movie. this was a great film!! i loved it in whole

[@Movypro23]

Definitely the best in the trilogy. Amazing in IMAX. The animation and music are excellent, story and character however has been done better in other animated films. The third act is surprisingly thrilling, funny and emotional. Will likely buy it on Blu-ray Memorial Day

[@CeltycSparrow]

I have seen this movie....I would also see it again. It was an excellent final chapter to an excellent trilogy. The villain was really good. He legitimately scared me. Toothless flirting with his beautiful lady was ADORABLE. He was absolutely twitterpated. The animation was stunning, as always. I loved where they chose to take Hiccup and Toothless in their character arcs....I felt like it was the natural next step for them after Stoick died, but I could tell it was extremely emotional for both of them....especially Hiccup. l could see he had a very painful choice/decision to make, and while I won't say what it was for the sake of spoilers, I was happy when the credits rolled. I think he made the right choice and I respected him for it. I almost wanted there to be one more film just because I don't want to say goodbye (and they did leave it where there is a POSSIBILITY of more), but I think where they left off was perfect. And I will say....this movie achieved something that Jurassic World did not and that is CAMOUFLAGE. With Toothless and his pretty lady, they added an element of camouflage to the characters and they did it extremely well.... As for this Toy Story 4 nonsense.....I am refusing to acknowledge it. I will not be seeing it. Not in theaters, not on DVD. I will watch the REAL Toy Story movies. The trailers look like SHIT. The animation (even for the characters we've been with for all these years) looks CREEPY. And the story sounds like a ridiculous EXTREMELY weak knockoff of the first movie's storyline. Bonnie (like Andy) gets a new favorite toy (INSPIRINGLY named "Forky"....because he's a SPORK and even HE thinks its ridiculous) and Woody has to leave his child and go get him back to Bonnie so Bonnie can be happy. And Bo Peep is back for some reason. We've seen this.....in the first two Toy Story films....and it was SO MUCH BETTER. They ended the Toy Story trilogy PERFECTLY. Woody and company had one last grand adventure, Andy went off to college, and he said goodbye to his beloved childhood toys and left them to Bonnie. It was perfect. I refuse to ruin what is one of Pixar's BEST movie trilogies with this.....shit.

[@CrackerJack06]

Please, I’m legit begging. Please, do a sibling rivalry for Alita Battle Angel.

[@coltafanan]

They did it already

[@JacobyJ56]

OMG Rob Finally saw a movie this year

[@thefirstbourne149]

Jake Johnson He said he saw Lego movie 2, and they didn’t have a Sibling rivalry for that one.

[@babyboybensolo632]

I saw it in 3D! It was amazing! I cried from the part where a certain character was falling all the way to the credits... it was great.

[@seanwhitehall4652]

My favorite thing about Hiccup/Astrid was the subtle comfort of the relationship in movies 2 & 3. It didn't need the focus, it was there to help solve conflict, not create it.

[@francescomanzo3939]

Wonderful review! Thank you so much for making it!

[@guidedprismg.e.w.p5673]

Im so happy they brought up the sand and level of detail in the movie. This was easily the best looking 3D animated movie ive seen, and when you put it into 3D it genuinely becomes life like.

[@vannalaws1692]

HTTYD3 doesn't need to be perfect. It has Toothless...

[@davidstone281]

Fun fact: The villain, Grimmel, is voiced by F Murray Abraham. He played Salieri in "Amadeus".

[@BaronVladHarkonnen]

The thing is with me I have a nostalgia for this trilogy coz I grew up with these movies and characters so perhaps I’m biased but I really love these movies and characters more than most people

[@kaldurskipper6821]

Could you do a show vlog for their series? There's a particular recurring character that I think you'll find fun.

[@HeartAngel1796]

Doug has a point. i noticed a few missteps but I didn't mind because it was overall still a great movie. Even the biggest of fans (such as myself) notice these little flaws, but we love the series anyway. The only misstep I couldn't overlook, however, was that Tuffnut wasn't played by T.J. Miller. I freakin' love that guy because he is Tuffnut.

[@karinac2871]

I just saw this last night and I LOVED IT

[@that1person921]

Top 5 Animated Series. 5. Despicable Me- This beats Shrek and Cars because while those 2 only have 1 great film in there This series has 2 really good films and 1 okay film. Score: B- 4. Madascar- All of these films are pretty good which makes it onto this list (this and Despicable me are basically interchangeable) Score: B- TOP 3 3. Toy Story- Now this will trigger some fans. This series has 2 Really good films (1&3) 1 Great film(2) and 1 okay film(4). The okay film kind of pushes it down a bit and since the characters don't have an arc like the next 2 spots it gets the bronze. Score: B+ or A- 2. Kung fu Panda- This Trilogy has 1 Great Film (1) and 1 Excellent film (2) and a Really good film(3). Combine that with characters that grow throughout the series and stellar animation this film gets the 2# Spot. Score: A 1 How to Train Your Dragon- 3 Great Films with the characters going through an arc and some beautiful animation. (This and Kung Fu Panda are also interchangable) Score:A

[@Ninjamaster227-]

Hiccup isn’t the same, because their was 7+ seasons of development with the show. All of which happened almost immediately following the first film’s ending. How to train your dragon 2 was the tail end of that character growth.

[@myriadmediamusings]

Definitely agreed there. As one who has pretty much watched every Dragons franchise material, the growth and development of these characters and world was fantastic. I can get the Walker bros not watching the show or even being aware of it given that the trilogy by itself is solid, its just the extra little bits that make it even better.

[@ArcaneAxolotl]

One detail I found interesting was how the moose-dragon hiccup saved in the beginning helped hiccup and his crew escape from Grimmel's hideout halfway through. I think this was to show that the new dragons Berk keeps on taking in have a use, but at the same time, it conflicts with the idea of Berk being better off without dragons.

[@pipedream2556]

I thought the point was that the Berkians were happier with the dragons but realised that the dragons staying with them rather than going to the one place that human dangers couldn't follow them was not what was best for the dragons. Both sides may have meshed really well and been happy (even if Gobber was right about overcrowding) but that didn't make it the best choice, so they had to say goodbye. The dragons are safe and the Berkians no longer have a target on their back for any other dragon hunters or trappers inevitably out there

[@Komodo12]

Great review, guys!

[@leeobrien2004]

A true Outstanding Masterpiece. Better then Kung Fu Panda 3!

[@deveshsood6087]

Respectfully Disagree... This was a good film, but nothing spectacular or new

[@tarantinoburrows1406]

@@deveshsood6087 Devesh Sood To be fair, neither was Kung Fu Panda 3 lol. This movie was leagues better than that movie. Had better characters, better animation, better villain, and a better conclusion to a trilogy. All of this is my opinion though, you're free to have yours

[@deveshsood6087]

@@tarantinoburrows1406 I think it also may be due to a personal connection to each franchise... Kung Fu Panda felt like it ended at the right place to the point, and while the ending to this (no spoilers) was satisfying too, I still think the personal/familial connection was more impactful on me than in the new film. Also, while not as much as the first two, Kung Fu Panda had me in tears multiple times, with smart writing, beautiful animation and great comedic timing by Jack Black and the rest of the cast. Though I understand they are kids films, I personally think the comedic relief in these httyd films are too weak and really far from the main story. Honestly, I know that these two franchises are great, and hella entertaining (especially for kids films), but Kung Fu Panda, even the third one, struck a chord that the dragon films never quite did. However, I can see why some may disagree (even if they are wrong =P)

[@cattledogandstaffy]

@@deveshsood6087 Dreamworks is planning to do three more Kung Fu Panda movies, so the third one was only a halfway point, not a complete ending to the series =)

[@deveshsood6087]

@@cattledogandstaffy Thats true (even though its not officially confirmed) but that would likely be seperate from the original arc with Po (like what they are doing with toy story 4). It will likely not have shifu, since... well... you know

[@Voduke789]

I actually like Sibling Rivalry episodes more than Nostalgia Critic reviews. Doug and Rob are just a great duo with a lot to say.

[@PrincessTigerLily111]

Hiccups voice never bothered me

[@khloiotaku6073]

I have been waiting weeks for this review.

[@johnskinner9697]

Yes! someone finally mentioned how good the sand was in this movie! THANK YOU!

[@blackbrdy6004]

The inspiration for Toothless was actually a jaguar - a cat. And Hiccup and Astrid are already bethrothed at the start of the 2nd Movie.

[@GingerWizzard1994]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I loved it too 😊

[@tireins1072]

If they make a fourth, it needs to be like “Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron”. The story completely evolves around Toothless and the Light Fury.

[@jdzencelowcz]

What...an...exit.........I WANT MORE!!!!!! Which is what the best stories leave you with.

[@craftpaint1644]

If they made another it would only work if it were about the next generation after Astrid and Hiccup have passed on or maybe from the survivor's death scene with the children and their friends.

[@jdzencelowcz]

@@craftpaint1644 Uh yup, uh yup, uh yup!!! :)

[@bobbyton8711]

My favorite trilogy.

[@bsperoz]

Just finished seeing it. BEST ONE OF THE TRILOGY.

[@Lauren_210]

I really loved this movie and it felt like such a wonderful closure to a trilogy that started during my adolescence and now as a young adult about to graduate college. I’ve become so invested with this world and the characters and because Toy Story is no longer a trilogy with the fourth one coming, this is now the best animated trilogy. I’m not sure if I like the second or third one the best, but they’re pretty close. I’ll eventually come to a decision.

[@KaponoMonster]

The ending made me bring tears to my eyes!

[@TheGreatEbayer]

I’m loving Rob’s fuller beard. The Amish goatee was awful! Looking good, man.

[@ninalauckner355]

I literally just saw this and omg so good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Kingtanic]

Saw it IMAX like 5 minutes ago, my favorite in the series I think.

[@Kawaiikate01]

I agree! Of all of them the first is still my favorite but I thought this was a great bookend to the story. Also they’re right; the fact that it has a cohesive overarching narrative and feels like a trilogy instead of a one off film is amazing, especially since it’s an “animated family film” (some people still think they can’t be art). And the end, the very end scene is the best part!! It had me smiling nonstop!!

[@thezeldadragon6202]

I would probably rank the movies: 1.How to train your dragon 2 2.How to train your dragon 1 3.How to train your dragon 3 I love the 1st one but the second one is just slightly better to me. The third one was just weaker for me.

[@actionstudios9502]

👍I agree number two is the best in the trilogy

[@BugsyFoga]

I wonder if there ever gonna talk about Alita battle Angel

[@110000116699]

Nathaniel Foga is it any good

[@kirose]

@@110000116699 I think it's awesome, but I've been a fan of the source material for over a decade, so rather biased haha

[@ViktorTheMusician]

It's one of those movies where it has obvious flaws but the things that are good are REAL FREAKING GOOD.

[@Dragonwolves2016]

The movie is ok.

[@mysite1012]

@@110000116699 Oh yeah, it's awesome. Plot, characters, overall narrative, everything is great. There's alot going on, but they handle it well. Also, the fight scenes are brutal, and intense. Definitely see it in 3d imax

[@Disney65Fan]

Love How To Train your Dragon franchise.

[@rowanbrown5541]

On the point of the nitpicks I absolutely agree, the Astrid (girlfriend/wife) and Valka (mum) point. I think some of Astrid's initiative gets sucked out so Valka can tell her what to do (mostly romance wise), because they didn't have a role for Valka. Snotlout's fighting outfit properly annoyed me because it was /so/ comedy oriented compared to the other badassery from the others. My brother and I both have some problems with this movie largely because the books wrap it up so much better, and it tries the same story of the dragons leaving but it's so much more complex.

[@918Mitchell]

Took my daughter to see it, we loved it.

[@dracobraving774]

This is it: The end of an Era of Dragons...

[@myriadmediamusings]

If you want the development of these characters and world to be even better I recommend you watch the two shows set in between the first two movies. They aren’t essential to be sure, but they do a great job at the worldbuilding and growth of all the charcters.

[@guidedprismg.e.w.p5673]

After the movie I got in my car and put on my nostalgic 2012 AMV music playlist and the feels hit hard.

[@twilightchaosangel011]

One of the weird things that kinda blew me away with animation detail was the little bit of mucous in toddler Hiccup close up scenes! I thought it was adorable and super detailed, not to mention all the freckles he had

[@lShadowdark]

The thing with the mother of Hiccup is easy to explain: She was abstent from most of his life, he was a toddler when she left and in this movie (or rather the end of the other one) he is like, 18? 20? And she passed that time rising dragons, not his son, so is understandable she doesn't know how to be a mother but rather how to be a owner (of a pet/dragon). For Doung being such a fan of "show don't tell" he seems to miss often this unwritten aspects of storytelling

[@ILikeBleachItsTrue]

I teared up at the hand bit Doug mentioned ;w;

[@Doc_Trancy]

Let’s be honest, the only reason why the Dragons and Panda movies did so well, they were done by Dreamworks. These movies proved if this studio tried, it could work

[@Lauren_210]

My main issue with Dreamworks is that they are one of the most inconsistent animation studios out there in terms of film quality. One moment you get passion projects like The Prince of Egypt, the Kung Fu Panda films, and the HTTYD films and then the next moment, you get mediocre/bad movies like Shark Tale, Boss Baby, or Home. The studio acts like a playground see-saw.

[@Doc_Trancy]

Lauren210 that’s about right actually

[@Doc_Trancy]

Lauren210 that’s about right actually

[@TheKeller101]

I think the word you were searching when trying to describe Toothless, was childlike

[@KitsunenoHibi]

Yes, this one is also amazing in 3D.

[@The0ptimus]

This is my favorite in the trilogy :') I didn't full-on cry, but I got a little teary eyed. The way it references the previous films and wraps up the trilogy was so beautifully done SPOILER This and Wreck it Ralph 2 have phenomenal, tough, realistic endings about letting go of people you love.

[@yakunohayashi9653]

F.Muray Abraham, the villian from one of your favourite films. You knew that???

[@BugsyFoga]

Which animated sequel would guys rather see , this or Toy Story 4?

[@heresthepork4220]

I would rather see httyd 3

[@MegaSoulHero]

How to Train Your Dragon 3 has more of a reason to exist. I’m sure Toy Story 4 will be good, but Toy Story 3 is where they should’ve ended it.

[@Toseuteuu]

Now I feel like watching the tv series

[@eharri369]

I saw this in 3D imax and it was stunning

[@tuckertwins7465]

You should totally watch how to train your dragon race to the edge it has a great villain and takes place after first movie before second movie and tries to explain some things in the second movie it’s a great show it also shows a development between hiccup and Astrid