How To Tune an FPV Drone with Black Box Logging for High Performance Freestyle

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[@lordhenrix1510]

I’m on vacation in Florida and I went to the rotor riot shop to get some props and this gentleman who is making this video was the kindest most generous person I could have met while there. I’ve never used a digital system and he let me try his goggles and I got an hd tour of the shop through walksnail. After my purchase he sent me away with a care package which is so much more than I expected. Thanks a lot man for making my trip to Florida and to rotor riot unforgettable

[@squaddingquads]

Great story

[@zarcha]

this is the first time since flying drones in 2016 were i felt like i actually tuned a drone, it took away all of the feel from the process that i couldnt understand and just showed me straight facts to look for. thank you.

[@PIDtoolbox]

hey thanks for the shout out! nice set of results. FYI, the reason Iterm doesn't result in any overshoot there is because you have really quick tracking such that Iterm is not able to accumulate. That is a good thing, and is often the case when the rig is light, powerful, and P gains are sufficiently high.

[@GrusFPV]

Thank you! We're constantly making adjustments to the tunes for the best possible performance so I REALLY appreciate the info. Your Basement Tuning method has been amazing and I can't thank you enough for all that you've done for FPV! #subscribetothisguyspatreon ^^

[@phiveone]

Hugs to Brian W.! I have been using basement tuning since I absolutely cannot tune/fly in my own neighborhood without folks freaking out.

[@SKoToBoT]

How do you crazy gurus get such high pid gains 😅

[@uavtech]

Awesome to see great information convasing the internet in the FPV community!!

[@GrusFPV]

Thanks for everything you do!!

[@julientourel6131]

Maybe the best tuning video ever because it is linear, simple, and understandable !! And I have watched A LOT of videos regarding PID tuning : PID Toolbox, Chris Rosser, Joshua B, ... Your one is understandable for a non english native (but speaking english every days). Thank you very much !! I will restart the tuning of my 4 inch qwad.

[@MrSabram07]

This is a great video out of all the KZbinrs I've seen this is really been the easiest to understand tuning video I've ever seen. It seems like the science is fading through the magic and it's all making more sense. I hope you make more of these videos

[@RahmatHidayat09]

This is by far the simplest and easiest to follow tutorial. Nicely done

[@scrimdog3328]

That was great. Took me years to understand the process. I always had a feel for it as far as the pids went. Using osd tuning was fast enough. I think your video here is pure gold. I hope all new pilots follow this method and just get ripping as soon as they can. Then go watch Criss,mark ect to actually understand what your doing. It's like the difference between learning to drive and being a motor mechanic.

[@carcomp101]

FINALLY. Someone just says how to do it without needing to run outside, fly, come back in, check, run outside, fly, come back in. I don't have enough packs to do the Indoor / Outdoor method. This is perfect and gets me 90% of the way there, which is about 40% more "there" than any of the other ways! I'm happy.

[@Binkoro]

This is the most helpful PID tuning video I’ve found. Every step is described and demonstrated. Thank you!

[@kelvinwolf225]

This was a great video. I've never seen someone make blackbox tuning so approachable. If I find the time, I'd love to try this method and compare it to my current "tune-by-feel" tune

[@ninmarioscc]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for to get into tuning. Know that you are making lots of pilots out feel less intimidated by the concept of tuning

[@lakaiinhd]

I ordered my Rotor Riot HD1 3 years ago. Still flys great. Waiting for the new Air Unit from DJI to come out and will be definitely purchasing a pre built from these guys again! Amazing quality and customer service. I can't wait!

[@gregstewart4692]

Now I understand one of the reasons why you charge what you do for your prebuilt quads. The components are costly and the frame design too, but it is hard to put a price on the tuning process. I am glad that you posted this video because it explains the value but I learned quite a bit from it as well. Thank you.

[@evilgeniusfpv4098]

Great video! I have watched all of UAV tech and Bardwell and this was the first time in 2 years of flying I felt comfortable enough to tune. No disrespect to either because they are both amazing and have saved me hours upon hours lol but I tuned my daily after this and it Flys amazing. No more presets! Thanks RR

[@TheKarstacus]

Hands down best PID tune video I've seen.

[@ginginthing]

Excellent video. You broke this complex subject down and made it easy for a newb like me to understand and pay attention all the way thru. I've watched several videos on this subject and I started to think I would never understand what all these parameters meant or how to set up a drone. Not now. Thanks for sticking to the explanations without throwing a bunch of EXTRA complexity into show off all your knowledge and confuse people. U r a very good instructor. Thx for this very helpful video.

[@reiyv139]

In Betaflight 4.4.1, the DusKings BMI270 filter settings seem to have gone, at leats I cannot find them in the list of presets.

[@TimeFadesMemoryLasts]

You can also use the BF LUA script on your radio to use the sliders. So it's still possible to use the PID sliders without goggles.

[@jimpratt9520]

Outstanding. Great presenter and great information. An easy “pull back the curtains” presentation to follow and understand.

[@Atlas_FPV]

PIDToolbox is the bomb, easy and fast and the results are perfect.

[@h2o40fpv]

Finally I watch a great video on how to tune my fpv drone thank u for a great video.

[@AngryPepper1964]

WOW, excellent tutorial, I can now see why Rotor Riot prebuilds cost a bit more, you really put the quads through a lot of testing. Thanks very much .

[@NoID_FPV]

This is one of the most useful and practical videos I've seen. I learned a lot! Thank you very much for walking us through the whole process. Not only did you teach us, but you showed us the quality of Rotor Riot BNF drones. If someone made these detailed walkthrough type of videos of filtering, we'd be set!

[@BubbyFPV]

Yooooo Tyler is the mannnnnn

[@FPVMama]

Agreed

[@LetsFlyRC]

^^^

[@markadrianpadua5548]

This is the best video i have ever see how to tune your quad. Very clear! Thanks for sharing.

[@josefdahari]

I gotta say man Tyler did a bang up job in this video ! Couldn't be easier to understand. Real life stuff! Just saying you are a legend @tyler

[@Frozone.]

Watched so much UAV Tech and Chriss R but this video takes the cake. Very easy to follow but still indepth. Tysm for creating this!!

[@rgross989]

This was a great video and allows a new tuner to have a great starting point. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to help everyone! Would love to see part 2 😮😊

[@ladronefpv4484]

You are the best as ever, Thank you from Italy

[@khalilamir1874]

Thanks man. One of the best quad tuning video on the internet.

[@nerdCopter]

set Demag compensation = high for those that do not use bi-directional dShot and RPM-Filtring. Thank Tyler, i learned some betaflight stuff from this. your end-results were really nice.

[@EmDee316]

Just wanted to say thank you guys for all of your content. This video has helped me solve issues several times on different builds. I really appreciate how straight to the pint you guys make your videos. Please keep ‘em coming.

[@hellbilly_fpv6692]

Man he’s really good at explaining things!!

[@Drawmaster33]

Thank you for explaining the process behind a basic tune! I will try it out :)

[@T3000_fpv]

After I have looked at your great tutorial several times, I finally tried it myself today and one of my quads tuned according to your description. What can I say, that was really worth it, the difference to the BF Standard Tunes is so huge that you think a new quad to fly. In the positive sense. Thanks for your work!

[@andifu1630]

when u take the sample of fly, use the air mode or angle mode?

[@T3000_fpv]

@@andifu1630 I use the acro mode with the slow rates settings from the video and that has worked quite well so far. but I think I saw in another youtube video that it works just as well with the angle mode.

[@VIREGAnet]

Perfect timing...!! Great video... I hope PID toolbox have option for colorblind person to see the graph more clearly...

[@Malik.essadi]

great video, one thing to point out is when you start increasing the master multiplier that won't keep same proportions of lower gains like I to P ratios. I found that I term needs to be incrased 1/2 a step for every 1 increase of the master multiplier.

[@theflyinggrip]

Easily the most user friendly video about tuning…cheers!

[@eddiepfund]

Fantastic video. Was nice watching someone go through the pid toolbox method.

[@Kikerumbo]

Great video. Approachable for people that don't want overcomplicated things. It seems that is possible to use "angle mode", so it'd be simpler yet!

[@AcruxFPV]

Awesome video, Grus! I have found the PID tuning process initmidating and know diff all about the finer points of BetaFlight. This presentation has made the process FAR less intimidating and is a great starting point for folks like me. 🙏❤

[@WearefpvFr]

Hum, this BMI270 preset with PT2 on gyro 2 is not really good... especially for "High Performance" 🤔

[@robaxelsson530]

THANKYOU for this.. tuning always seemed like “black magic” or only for guys that fly everyday.. I have seen how much “presets” changed my 5” (BF Github)..I’m looking forward to giving this a shot

[@DMARZFPV]

Great video bruh. Clearly better explanations than other videos out there. Thanks again bruh.

[@RebelGoatFPV]

Great, simple way to tune PIDS, thanks. I will try this method on my next. :D

[@LetsFlyRC]

Awesome video from the tuning master Tyler. You taught me stuffs. I hate tuning. I’m still gonna bug u to do it for me. Lol. U da man

[@Mawragfpv]

This was super helpful! Can't wait to go home and tune my quads haha!

[@tonhabraken9339]

You don’t need the bmi preset… it’s a bit confusing, but 4.3 will put the bmi into hardware filter osr4 mode at which point you can filter as you would normally. The preset suggested disables this mode and does it in software.

[@GrusFPV]

Thanks for the info! I didn’t realize 4.3 had that built in… I’m constantly working on our tunes for the best performance so any feedback is greatly appreciated.

[@marinehm]

Coming back to this video…. Awesome tutorial! I need to reset to stock settings and do it again to lock in knowledge (muscle memory). 37:43 when you took it outside: you did change your rates back from 250/250 to whatever YOUR rates you fly? Sorry, just helping other followers understand what’s going on.

[@rielstevenson-burke5979]

Hi, could you please please do another video like this ,but for 4.5 betaflight ? This was my go to video for tuning the past year ...I smoked a motor trying the new 4.5 😂😂

[@MatthewTaylor3]

This video was well edited and easy to understand

[@TiphysFPV]

I’ve been looking for a video like this. Thank you

[@guymiller7228]

What an amazing video. This has helped me no end. Amazing. Thanks for making this. Keep up the good work

[@jeevandewee]

Awww man, really nice video on tuning. Thanks for that!

[@gimbalair]

Awesome intro to tuning for me, watched Rossers 4.4 vid but struggles to understand it at times. This was very straight forward. I need to tune my babyhawk2 to carry a naked gopro its very unresponsive.

[@metrixx28]

great vid for me, pretty understandable and a great help... you have your place in my timeline alongside jb, mr rosser and uavtech 🤙🏽

[@MARK-LUCIA]

REALLY great video! I learned a ton watching this. Well done

[@Wawet76]

I wonder if one day all those graph analysis can be automated and done by the FC. Automated tuning directly in the air :)

[@cathrerinezetadrones3169]

Noice, good to see Tyler…good video!!

[@palemerknoob7540]

Thank you so much for making this tutorial. This has been the far simplest video I have watched to understand PID tuning. Do you fancy making one for Rates and Filters based on BF4.5? 😜

[@pukki34]

I struggled so much to even open the damn logs in this app. But this tutorial did the trick. Copy files in the main folder (where you unpacked the installer) and open the .exe from there.

[@ZentaRobotics]

Great tutorial! One question, do you need to have airmode off or on during PID tuning? Most people have airmode on always but I was just wondering if it matter for the result.

[@William_NS]

This right here is the absolute best Rotor Riot video OF ALL TIME!!! Thanks a bunch for making the tuning process easier to understand! You're a beast Grus FPV!

[@rickm1283]

Tyler you did a fantastic job with this video. 1 question does tuning make a difference in non-acro modes? or is it just for acro? Also had the pleasure of meeting you and the rotor riot team at San dimas Quad camp. Thanks for all that you guys bring to the hobby.

[@GrusFPV]

Thanks man! I haven’t tried it yet but you can actually use angle mode for this tuning method as well! Pidtoolbox recently released a video called “Basement tuning just got a lot easier - use angle mode” that I’d recommend checking out.

[@rickm1283]

@@GrusFPV Thanks Tyler for the quick response. Your video cleared some gray area's that I was stumped on. Thanks again!

[@Tonynux]

...and finally thanks to Brian White for PIDtoolbox!

[@KELLER_FPV]

Such good explanation! I finally unlocked the next level! such an achievement!

[@richardobrien9738]

Best video on KZbin to help learn the ropes with blackbox and pid tuning (IMO). One question though, what is the reason for leaving dynamic damping at zero? What does this achieve versus setting it back to default after fine tunes? Thanks again, this video helped me a lot with a stubborn Micro Reverb.

[@zoran.grujic]

Good instructions. Lot of excellent tricks! But, maybe you forgot to mention D Max Gain? It was set to zero and not mention afterwards in the video.

[@M_Line_studio]

are you doing this in Acro mode or angle ?xD

[@Tronnic]

What an excellent piece of video for a beginner! Thank you

[@MrMilio]

Since betaflight 4.5(?) the FF slider has no impact in angle mode! Took a while to figure it out...

[@c_labb9247]

Headed to work, can’t wait to finish this video 🤙🎉

[@robaxelsson530]

Great information...Im still learning. May I suggest informing others Blheli 32 is for EACs w/ blheli32. A lot of people still have rigs with Blheli "S" ESCs and Blheli32 wont read the ESCs... use Bluejay. Also, when u "update" your ESCs, the Betaflight setup must also "match" (d-shot / rpm filters esc)..I found when I swapped the FC I only got the first 3 tones and thought the fc was damaged, nope. basically it the components werent "talking' together correctly.

[@DrFrantic77]

Thanks mate, i will test the BLHeli32 Settings...

[@rod-fpv]

So, when you put an action camera on top and change the weight of the kwad, that should mess up with the PID tuning, right?

[@T3000_fpv]

A very interesting and especially informative video. I could learn a lot from it. Thank you for it!

[@DriftaholiC]

Chris Rosser and Brian White.. I thought you were behind the curve but looks like you know where to look.

[@fpvisland9725]

Very good job. Thanks Angle or accro mode???

[@loopfpv6031]

I’ve been waiting for this video.thank youuu.Rates taking down to 250 and get a linear for scale …but what will happen when we don’t put down to 250 and going with our actual rate values..thinks it’s okay too

[@PaulSokolov]

Great tutorial. Which mode it was ? Acro or Air mode?

[@fpvisland9725]

Hello! Good tutorial. Angle mode or accro mode? I want to try

[@AirKhanFPV]

Thanks for the tuning tips but I think iFlight ships currently their Nazgul5 V2 4S with a F7 and MPU6000 Gyro, because i ordered last week one (analog version with grey parts) and it came with the SucceX-E F7 and MPU6000 Gyro on it.

[@timmytson1]

This was just how I needed it explained

[@robgluckman7943]

Awesome Awesome Video! Do you have a Filter Tuning Video? all the Filters is really confusing

[@MrDarkBoy4Ever]

When I test flying should I use acro or angle mode?

[@bradyvila6576]

Lover your guy’s videos

[@Greatdayforaswellbattle]

It blows my mind that I’ve known most this info since around 2015 and people are now getting pretuned builds and passing on the info I had to learn the hard way and making money on it. Meanwhile I’m over here as a residential contractor hands on and sneaking in flying a couple batteries when I can. I’d rather be making money doing what you guys are doing. 😅

[@KODEEFPV]

Wow your so amazing lmao

[@Greatdayforaswellbattle]

@@KODEEFPV thank you I am a very nice person. Just making light of the generation of young people who get things without working for them. They tend to get these quadcopters that are capable of hurting people and or flying extremely high into flight patterns or far past line of sight and posting it on KZbin. It’s a shame people do that. Making the hobby as a whole look bad. These days you can have the ability to do that without learning one bit of technical skill or knowledge. Not trying to offend sir.

[@FreshPanda97]

Thank you!! ALEX SHOULD MAKE A KISS TUNING GUIDE PLEASE♥️♥️♥️

[@neilfpv]

Awesome tuning tutorial! I've also heard that when tuning that we should use beat up props. What are your thoughts on that? When you flew your test quad outside, was it still set to 250?

[@robertstaschko4135]

Great Video! Do you leave the dynamic damping-slider at 0?

[@ShogunFPV]

To be completely honest some of your builders need this video 🤣 I’ve tuned 2 of your shaky bois back to life already. Love the bnf builds though good for swapping to the exact same setup after a crash 💥

[@funkynerd_com]

Great video. Trying to do this to my kwad now as it's 100% custom and as such, there's no tunes for it. My graphs look a helluva lot more wiggly than what's in this video!

[@captainthruster9484]

Dude, make a video of my skyliner mk3 when you guys build it🤘

[@ladronefpv4484]

Can i use stabilized mode for indoor rehearsals?

[@Justinl12086]

Really good video!

[@tenuris]

Great Video. So Dynamic Damping is a non relevant option?

[@Greenhorn_FPV]

I didn't see "No Drones" sign lol sweet!!!

[@tanahhuat1757]

Thank you Sir. Awesome informations

[@RWds24]

Do you have a vid on how to upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 for HD osd settings etc ?