Somebody finally made PID tuning make sense | Chris Rosser PID tune method | Part 1

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Somebody finally made PID tuning understandable for everyone. It's Chris Rosser! He's released two videos (so far) about filter and PID tuning, and they finally break down quadcopter PID tuning into a set of steps that nearly anybody can follow to get a great flying quad. I'm going to work through the steps and see what kind of results I get!
Chris Rosser's Filter Tuning video: • Betaflight 4.2 filter ...
Chris Rosser's PID Tuning video: • Betaflight 4.2 PID tun...
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - Introduction
2:12 - Sample flight with final PID tune
3:22 - Make sure your quad is mechanically sound
6:04 - Test flight to set up filters
7:19 - Blackbox analysis of first test flight
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8:29 - Recommended filter settings based on first test flight
9:20 - Discussion: Find your Max D Gain
11:06 - Set pidsum_limit and pidsum_limit_yaw
11:50 - Test flight with Master Multiplier at 1.5
13:47 - Test flight with Master Multiplier at 1.4

[@glitchy8429]

Just built my dream quad. It’s bright blue skies and Bardwell releases a tuning video right when I need it.... too many things are going right today so my drone will definitely explode.

[@PetrucciJP6]

ahahahhahaha bro

[@skyweaver3199]

Hahaha , I feel this.

[@PhillyDroneLife]

Exactly. Bro... Lol... go balls to the wall today.🥳🥳 You may never get another chance... YaHOOOOOOOOOOO

[@nolacross704]

Did it explode yet

[@glitchy8429]

@@nolacross704 nah found a session 5 in perfect condition later that day on Facebook marketplace for $150. Flew 30 packs on a new drone with a new cam. Damn good day. May the Gods of sbang bless you all as well.

[@bastiansondermann2804]

Nice Stick Overlay! :D

[@StantonLuke]

Awesome to see Chris’s work done by you! Thanks for this! Literally could listen to you and Chris all day!

[@richardheedfpv9626]

Good to see Mark and Chris communicating. Both offer top level information and advice. Regards to both and to YOU JB.

[@onnovannoort7690]

This is so good, things are getting so much easier for people tuning their quad. Big Thanks to Chris and you Josh, this is gonna help a lot of pilots flying a good quad!

[@TheElectroHawk]

I'm watching Chris his videos for a few months now, and even though I don't fully understand everything he says, it really helps me to get a grip on what I am actually doing with pids, filters, etc.

[@audioarts3874]

It's been great to see the "banter" #short video's recently between you guys! But can clearly see how much respect you guys hold for eachother! Thankyou both for your Fantastic videos! I learn something EVERY DAY from you! Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

[@GuyBurdick]

I find this hard to believe but OK…let’s learn something today!

[@DMARZFPV]

Tried it and the quads are flying amazing. Rosser is the man!

[@ThomasShue]

The coolest thing about Bardwell doing this video is that Chris is going to Blow UP in this hobby! Thanks for yet again sharing the love to others in the hobby. You have always been great about giving props to people with talent, as well as helping to build up those who deserve it

[@ThomasShue]

Chris is the man, his blackbox analysis is amazing. He is going to take this hobby to the next level!

[@tshirtfactory07]

Thank you for doing a companion series to Rosser's simple tune vids. Can't wait for the remaining videos in your series to post. I think the other folk(s) that make these tuning help videos are prone to talking over the heads of us non engineer types.

[@Hectectica]

Thanks a million. This really helped me dial in my Banggod 5 inch. Also, your alarm going off while you fly and try to talk over it was pretty hilarious.

[@geterdnboy]

I don't know what I would do without you JB thanks man

[@airflowfpv7791]

Joshua, you are the reason I'm still flying after 4 years man! I'm sure without all of you priceless info I would have long since gave up, somewhere along the way. You're a big part of this killer sport/hobby and are in the fpv history archives, for sure. So, thank you for your invaluable contribution dude! Long live the info king of fpv, the know it all, the guru, Mr. JB!!!

[@Llegando_Tarde]

Yup Rosser is the man! His video helped me get an annoying noise out of my tune.

[@LuMaxQFPV]

Gettin' into the guts of our quads... it's a lot of fun, and I personally am enjoying the process. Great vid!

[@retrodudefpv]

Yes, much like you are numero uno for all things quadcopter, Chris is a fantastic resource for learning some great information and techniques 🙂

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic, Joshua! Thanks a lot for all the tips! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@brucea.kenney7957]

dude..your flying is awesome

[@NathansHVAC]

The filter settings are unbeleavable good on my toothpick with RPM filtering. Thank You!!!

[@DamienLanders]

I definitely learned something today I see PID tuning in a new light I like tuning my quads by feel and sound as well this is awesome

[@CarbonGlassMan]

The biggest help for me in learning what the P, I and D do is a video called "PID demo". A guy (Horizon 4 Electronics) made a box with a pointer that moves left and right. It had knobs for P, I and D on it and when he adjusts the knobs you can see what each one does and how it effects the pointer.

[@brendanzaebst6230]

You sounded like morty at the end. Oh man jeez that quad flies good now ehh Rick!! Lol. Love the vids man!

[@brianhutch4435]

That was very nice flying.

[@mrsmrriverasanchez9291]

I love the drone but love the house. The view and space perfect.

[@Dav2112]

I followed his tutorials to tune my newest Betaflight build and my quad is flying amazingly well. The stock settings in Betaflight just didn't work well at all for me, I was having those low throttle wobbles and instability after flips and rolls on stock, but after following his tutorials the quad flies amazing now.

[@ThomasShue]

Great Job Mr. Bardwell! Great Job 👍

[@bkfpv]

Kudos for giving kudos 👍🏻. Very good video.

[@christophertilley4297]

Great video. Thanks for the tips!

[@brilspolymathstudios]

OMG I got a GetFPV ad right before this video and you're in it!

[@jayqfpv6835]

Awesome video. Thx for sharing this criss Rosser magic. Apart from that.. Damn Joshua. You became an incredible pilot. Back in the days I always watched your videos for the latest information and stuff but damn.. Now its even more enjoyable since you are absolutely killing it at your home spot. Much respect

[@tristanrediger]

Goddammmmm that's crazy lol. Great flying!

[@PetrucciJP6]

OMG Josh, that flight was so exciting

[@brutus1974]

I put the same filter tune on my 110g 3 inch and heavy 3.5 inch. Both of them fly amazing. I was trying all sorts of pid changes before and was a bit stumped... Now stock is nearly perfect for both.

[@epicjfpv]

This is the best stick overlay I've ever seen

[@PaosElectronicDreams]

great effort~ finally done!

[@imager09tube]

Hey Josh, what an improvement in a few years of practice! Excellent close proximity.

[@robinmanfpv5151]

Yes I noticed that too. Big progress!

[@LuMaxQFPV]

Good point. You know, after one gets to a certain level of ability, one realizes that 'proximity' skill is really what defines accomplished, smooth, all around captivating flight.

[@nipperdog7777]

Wow, it is awesome how much better you fly Joshua, just in a couple of years. Three packs a day. I need a bigger yard!

[@mafiafpv3469]

Awesome video Josh 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤

[@DanielLeeDrones]

Damn JB you flyin better and better!

[@Takeover738]

That tune got you flying like a beast J.B

[@larsulrich3356]

hey Josh I just bought an ix20SE so I can fly mode 3 and I am going to love it.

[@nuno2200]

Chris Rossers tunings tuts are awesome, very systematic and easy to understand and follow.

[@TbstUSA]

Amazing flight! a good tune is good but your skill can properly demonstrate it.

[@boo7948]

i have his aos 5 v2 frame and i love it. would definitely recommend it

[@snowgalet]

I love your content!!!

[@tonysandvig1478]

Thanks!

[@Inertia888]

I took my AOS5 v1 apart down to the frame, to begin a tune for the start of next season. Turns out I have been flying with a broken arm all summer. If it was not an 'A-arm' style build, it would have not been in the air at all. I'm glad I took the time to go through the first step. Even though, it probably could have gone on flying with no flight-ending failures, Chris's design kept it from failing, but with that fracture, I would have been chasing my tail trying to find what the resonance was coming from. Now. New arm. New Season. New Tune. Three months till spring here, can't wait for the new year! (yes, new year starts on May 1st, lol)

[@Guilefpv]

I really like the new stick overlays. Mind sharing how you did it?

[@ThomasAndersonFPV]

Criss Rosser and JB FTW! FPV excellence.

[@madprops526]

I usually fly defaults..this is making me want do dive I to tuning since openpilot 👌

[@Dorkyand40]

took my pid sliders basically to the moon and im very happy..need a good frame though..source1 is noise proof

[@barfootSmitty]

I haven't seen you fly in a while Josh, obviously you have too much time cause you are rippin bro!!!

[@youngbungalo6874]

Let's go Josh!!!! Sheeeesh!!!!

[@DPortain]

Holy shit, I learned how to fly on Chris' plot, in the simulator Liftoff. Didn't even know this was a real place. I was really proud when I managed to get into the shed for the first time!

[@dogsidog0074]

This is Bardwell's house lmao. Liftoff literally has his name in the title lol

[@keaganlindsay7648]

Damn jb you are getting good. 👌

[@mikeyjames1000]

Josh you have sold yourself short , you to are a professional.

[@Mekanikern]

THIS is what I felt I was missing when I wrote that comment on Chris’ channel Joshua! Dang I hope you read this, good work!

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Glad you like the content.

[@DasBitterman]

Thank you for all you do for the hobby. It's just such a shame that anyone getting into the hobby, can't because of the absolute evaporation of inventory available to buy. It's like a steakhouse with no steak.

[@matuka3755]

Thank you for the practical walk-through, Joshua! Would you please let us know the gyro & D-term latencies estimated by Mark's XLS for your final filter settings?

[@christophergran8313]

for the Dynamic Notch Filter Tab, I don't have a Dynamic Notch Max Hz but instead I have Dynamic Notch Filter Range it can only be set at AUTO, LOW, MED, & HIGH

[@pressurefpv]

I still have cool motors with D up in the 60s and P in the 80's, getting scary :)

[@StantonLuke]

Clean build!

[@tehllama42]

Clean build on a good frame. Enjoi!

[@ugpfpv361]

Yeah I was at 100 on p and 55 on d, but gunk I will just start over and reduce filters

[@pressurefpv]

@@ugpfpv361 I found P at about 75 and D at 45 is my sweet spot. with 150 FF. I reduced all filters apart from the D lowpass @ 100hz. cool motors after 5 packs

[@chrisscala4221]

Nice! Rippin' hard these days!

[@RocketDogg77]

#YODA .......... Thanks for all your info over the years Joshua....... kept me in the game for sure!

[@baggszilla]

I love this shit boyyy! Can't wait to get my quad flying Smoove too.

[@alex.h2935]

I don't know if anyone has told you this, but I feel like your flying has really had a breakthrough lately. You've always been a good pilot in my eyes, but some of the moves in the first part of that video I've never seen you lace together. Great flying brother!

[@tehllama42]

Three packs a day... it does work

[@Shooter_FPV]

When JB's test pack looks like my dream pack... 🤦‍♂️

[@GertBurger]

Your flying has improved so much! Guess I need to start flying 3 packs per day to git gud ;P

[@keepfly5771]

3:12 is a sweet shot!

[@SANDYDOG_FPV]

hey brother thanks for takeing the time to help me out yesterday for my BIRTHDAY ..josh i just will never know how u do all that you do ..Thank you so much for making this hobby accessible ,with out you i could of never done this hobby..Once again the video was awesome thanks again.... SANDYDOG_FPV

[@youzrnaim]

hfs. I mean, I knew you were getting better at free style but this looks really good.

[@nigelhunt84]

Hey brother, I just built a xl10 v5. It’s flying pretty good so far but I can’t figure out why it has low throttle shakes. When I get down low say to land it’ll shake a little. Thanks Joey! I enjoy the videos

[@SkyCandyVisuals]

Josh you have gotten way better at flying ever since your 3packs a day series. Just saying.🙌🔥👏 I'm very interested in trying what you're doing here on my build that you connected to your laptop at Rampage. It was the 5-inch player one with a iFlight H7 beast toothpick board which is 55 amp mine would really be pushing the limits though because I'm using it with 2206.5 2550 KV Tmotors on 4S. I've been flying it lately doing speed runs and it's working great with stock beta flight setup but I like pushing limits so let's see how it works... Looking forward to part two and possibly three 🗣️💯 Also if you haven't already a link to those stick overlays would be awesome

[@AdventureswithQuillen]

What was the drone and build in this video? That thing is rippin.

[@thecakeisalie7070]

There's tuning for performance and then there's tuning for longevity. Reliability can be built into either side of the spectrum but if you play chicken with the edge of performance envelope, it begins to become unreliable. Tuning for performance shortens lifespans of components - make sure you can sustain the cash flow for that tuning. Ask any car tuners. I think Betaflight presets lean towards longevity and reliability - easier on the wallet and increases flight time over bench time. Looking forward to the rest of the series!

[@chassecoleman5536]

If I tap like twice, it goes away. If I tap it a lot of times, will it count the total? Good stuff, appreciate you being there for us. Your skills are rocking now, bub.

[@ziway7820]

I followed these steps on a GEPRC mark 4 prebuilt(They somehow give me a prebuilt quad with no factory tune). But then I keep frying the left front motor when i was tuning D term, the other three are just fine and cool. I sent it back to their shop for repair all they did was to replace the motor and put tune in, then the quad was flying fine. I recently find a lot of prop wash on it so I kind wanna follow these steps and retune it again, i find out they have crazy amount of filter in their factory tune and pit loop time of only 1.6khz. So I raised the loop fz to 3.2(they have slower gyro on this one),and reduced to the filter setting by the recommendation of this video. Immediately I fired the left front motor again with a 360 row, I really couldn't figure out why It seems to act nomarl but keep frying the left front motor the moment i try a flip.

[@BloodSkinDOTcom]

i dont know who chris is, but im tryin to get with the times, cut me some slack! lol my first quad is still in the mail, should be here tomorrow. i have to rewatch your landing video from years ago and get some more practice in on the sim with that before my first flight though

[@BenLMitchell]

This comment is not meant to sound like I'm bashing BetaFlight or Emu but the combination of FETtec FC/ KISS FC coupled with a FETtec ESC gave me results like this out of the box with very, very little change 🤷 Again, not bashing it and not everyone can justify KISS/ FETtec but it is bloody good. The tune on this quad at the beginning looks mad though JB! Nice flying

[@djibryan]

Hi Joshua, Does this kind of tuning only work for the fast 5 inch drones, or also for the ChineWhoops, for example.

[@eaglegearz7093]

How about switching to a different kind of props? How much do different props affect the tuning?

[@bengordon7635]

would certain motors or a type of esc not like RPM filtering ? also when do you use RPM filtering also do you have an updated video on RPM filter setup 4,4 betaflight settings have changed since your last video thank you God Bless

[@ntorres1966]

Question. I have the seagull drone by eachine if I crashed and had to replace one of the motors which motor would I replace it with. I have searched the internet and can not find the original. The closest is geprc 2004 2550kv or beta fpv 2004 3000kv. This would mean replacing all four if one was broken. Please advise on your recommendation. Enjoy your you tube videos very helpful. Keep up the good content.

[@jearl961]

When you talk about hitches or blips what do you mean?

[@DriftaholiC]

When chasing D gain you'll find one level is hot and another is safe. Turn on D-min and set the safe number to the low and the hot number to max.

[@scott-n-annasrcfun7006]

first off we love Joshuas videos and follow every word.So I heard you say tune on old props,my problem with that is if the props are worn or weighted differently from being worn or even knicked .It will make every prop different and screw up your tune.I get your reasoning but I believe you should start from perfection (as close as you can)as the props get old you will feel problems and know better when to replace.We would still be stuck on camera drones if it wasn't for Joshua.As it is we have about 20 succesful builds and many more prebuilts and we couldn't have done it without your help.My common sense says you might be wrong on this and since so many of us follow your every word please prove me wrong,lol Thank-you

[@cokert3]

I haven't heard anyone mention the fact that you can change PID profiles via the OSD. Is there a reason you wouldn't want to have one "aggressive" profile when your quad's in good shape and then a second profile that you switch to when you crash and need to fly back home? I'm guessing that's because some of the filter settings are independent of your PID profile?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The gyro filter I think is outside the PID profile. Realistically the reason I that most people don't want to think about switching they just want to fly.

[@O.L.D_RC]

i hate u. 😂 This is why I wait to watch. So I do not have to wait for the next part. One time I jump the gun, gotta sit on my hands. Being in the middle of repairs and builds, I have plenty to do. My gopro is temporarily out of commission, though, so I can't film anything. i hate u. 😂 Cheers JB!

[@k4x4map46]

great video the day that the usb connector goes away and a more robust connection during the tuning process would be sweet. sure mostly my ham fingers, but haven't broken a usb conn on my phones; usually the cord wears out first...just beeching

[@MT-xy7fw]

was it cooler when you dialled down to 1.4 multiplier?

[@Emperorll]

What is the hitch Joshua is talking about sometimes? The motor noise on throttle punches? very small changes in stick control?

[@filipefrango1671]

those filter settings are also good for 4.4? thanks :)

[@ElMattbos]

You were so nearly in the tree at 2:30… you had no idea where it was and then styled out of it into a power loop! 😂 (I only know this because I do that kind of thing all the time)

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I had a vague sense that I might be going into that tree. Freestyle is all about "happy little accidents".

[@ElMattbos]

@@JoshuaBardwell yeah I totally agree. There’s blind moves and then completely blind moves where you really don’t know where you’re going, just that something is there and you need to get away! Keep doing what you’re doing anyway, Joshua. I’ve been doing fpv for almost as long as you have and you’re one of the view channels that I still follow.

[@wdy7472]

Hi Joshua . Im building a new drone & im a beginner do i have to do this PID tune ?or the Flight Controller already have a preset ? Thank You

[@meh-87]

Don't have a black box but those filter settings work well on a micro.

[@trevorimpulsebuyguy6398]

Dam your tune & flight was so fast & smooth it looked like the playback speed was sped up 1.5x! Oh and Is that a Lynchpin T-shirt?

[@REAL_N3W]

And now a comparison between Emu Flight Stock Settings and this Tune, that would be interesting :) Emu Flight Stock is already really good.

[@CalleyyyC]

I think he did a video showing BF, EMU, and another one on this quad already right?

[@CalleyyyC]

jk I think it was on the Roma F5

[@REAL_N3W]

Yes but without this tune, and it would be interesting how good the EMU Flight stock settings are against the BF Tuned settings.

[@richardheedfpv9626]

I put emu stock on a quad last week. I armed it and it hit my ceiling.

[@abrdun]

what is the controller? is it better than the one from DJI? I want to get into FPV, haven't decided what I need yet

[@BrandonBeans]

AFAIK, lifting pidsum limit is only necessary if your pidsum traces bottom-out in the tuning flight logs. Does this maybe give some overhead to help prevent motor saturation? I seem to remember reading an old PR that had some og devs commenting on the importance of this. EDIT: checked my logs and I am reaching default pidsum limit on snap flips and rolls on my final tune (before I pushed up the master it was fine though). SO I'm gonna retune with these cli commands entered.

[@ChrisRosser]

I find it to be an issue mainly with feedforward. I have FF gains of 300+ quite often and smack into the pidsum limit 😋