How To Use Panel Bonding Adhesive Autorestomod Episode 117

[@philtolfreeart]

Great video thank you!

[@AutoRestoMod]

Glad you liked it!

[@1cbjack]

This was an excellent tutorial! I am a 63yo woman and am doing my first bodywork on my 1993 Ford F1-150 f Flareside. Thanks again!

[@AutoRestoMod]

The cab corners on those trucks are notorious for rust out. Good luck!

[@1cbjack]

Thanks for the encouragement!

[@kensendelofski3761]

59 and and just getting started.

[@trentonjardine2278]

I wish I had found this video earlier! So much searching the web patch panel this patch panel that..this video explains exactly what route I've decided to take with my weldless repair. Excellent video! Really nice to see it all in motion before taking on the task as well.

[@deankay4434]

The screws are fine for folks without welders like a MIG. If you have a spot welding setup great as long as you can reach the spots with the tips you have. The 3M bond has glass beads in it so control the joint thickness and welding can be done thru the screw holes, old spot weld holes but only while the product is freshly installed. They do recommend spreading a flat layer first for coverage of bright metal using a brush or spreader, then a second round bead on top for good contact. The bonding adhesive seals from moisture and future rust so if you can clean, sand or POR the back, use cavity wax. Upol panel bond has glass beads in it as well, but we won’t say anything! ASE Master Tech since 1978, retired

[@AutoRestoMod]

Agreed

[@deankay4434]

@@AutoRestoMod Hope you guys are all doing ok! I can’t wait for the weather to warm in Nebraska! Cold, warm and cold with rain. Snow still come in April so I may open a can of R12 to get the global warming in gear! Lol.

[@rodneyclements4386]

Thank you for this video! Excellent work. Frame up restore on my 73 VW Superbeetle currently, this will help me a lot. Thanks again...

[@AutoRestoMod]

We pour the POR 15 out into an old paint mixing container, though a used (and cleaned) sandwich container will work. The key to keeping POR 15 in good shape are as follows: If you can, refrigerate it. Use a dipper to get product out of the can; don't pour. When you reseal your can, make sure the mating surfaces are both clean and free of the product. Unlike James Bond, POR 15 recommends that you stir not shake the product.

[@chrisrye9128]

Good to know there are alternatives to welding

[@PHCBILL]

You just have to admire a dude that knows what he's doing, and it shows when you watch him at work...You go Big-un...Yer Fren BUBBER....that's Uncle BUBBER to you Allen....

[@GooseDave]

Useful video with plenty of quality background information for the home restorer, Not everyone can afford or justify kitting out their home garage with everything, so options on jobs like this are important,

[@robothegreatful]

Thanks for the helpful video. I am new to body work and like this method a lot because it avoids flanging and risking offset/poor alignment.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Yep. Well said twidapate. We plan to use the Panel bonding adhesive on the areas that are prone to rust on the rest of the wagon.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Thanks for the kind words David. We agree. And the product has other uses as well. We're using it on a steering wheel this week.

[@BORDERWARS]

you have no idea how stoked I am about this video! thx a lot for the tips!

[@twidapate]

In an area where rust is likely to reform and where hidden rust remains between adjacent panels, using an adhesive in conjunction with POR-15 on the surrounding areas is probably a better long term solution than welding. For one, the heat from welding will likely ruin the integrity of the POR-15 coating nearest to the heat, and second, getting clean welds may prove difficult due to rust particle contaminants drawn into the weld from between the brace and the adjacent remaining outer fender.

[@bestillandknow3939]

That plasma cutter is sweet!

[@jevchance]

Thanks for showing this guys, have always wondered what this process looks like.

[@kensendelofski3761]

enjoyed this video. I didn't know it shouldn't be used on a uni body vehicles. But still informative, I'm also repairing a 96 dodge ram.

[@LouMontana-wc7nr]

Panel bonding will prevent rust much better than welding.

[@AutoRestoMod]

His glasses are safety glasses. At least that is what he told Jeff. And we never argue with 6' 4" folks with hands that could engulf our heads.

[@Sunevel]

Live all these vids fellas !! I’ve a 65’Galaxie . Seems Por 15 seems to be your favorite stuff for floor pans before carpet and other applications to keep a rust protected surface yes ? That’s my plan

[@AutoRestoMod]

Yes. Thanks for the kind words!

[@jonathanbelanger6574]

Thats alot of work but its good for someone who does not have access to a welder

[@mikeschoppe2993]

Thanks for the advise. I will domg.a patch, not a panel, on my 88 Cvic HB. It has the common rust around the rear quarters that these hatchbacks always get.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Mike Schoppe Would recommend a 110 MIG for that. These vids might help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH62ammOi7ySfqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4CWmp2oisd5oNU

[@mschoppe67]

AutoRestoMod This is the intended fix. www.ebay.com/itm/200655537155?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT I believe the welding will be the way I need to go. the links you put up were very helpful.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Craig, see our response to Lee's post.

[@hostishumanigeneris11001]

I want to convert my Automatic 95 Toyota Supra to a manual, I bought the factory transmission tunnel cover/housing for it. There are 32 spot welds holding the auto tunnel cover in, but underneath, there is seam sealer, I've heard/read panel bond is strong as or as strong as a weld. Can I bypass having to weld the new panel in using panel bond or do I need to reweld the old spots?

[@tarmac245]

Just the job for those who have defib/pacemakers.

[@alpinemind9977]

Great video. Thanks a lot!

[@GarageWorx]

I need to put in a rear lower bed patch panel on a Ford Ranger. I have a 120v Flux core welder but I'm wondering if this would be better? Please advise. Live in a salt state so I'm thinking this would prevent rust better than welding.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Depends, we have seen the panel bonding adhesive bleed through paint. The welder you have may make for more frustration than fixing. In this case, since it sounds like you are working on cosmetics rather than load bearing, I'd probably take a shot at the adhesives.

[@CorwinBos]

I just like giving you guys some grief. Great videos, keep them coming.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Welcome to the wonderful and happy world of colloquial terms...=)

[@chupposity]

I have to close up holes drilled in the roof of a former police car. I was advised welding is risky it might warp the panel (2013 Charger). I think this will do the trick. I can't use clamps though I was thinking I could use some magnets to hold the panel rather than zip screws.

[@AutoRestoMod]

You can try that. If I were going to do that I would put a plug on the underside of the roof and use Evercoat fiberglass filler to smooth the spot.

[@letsgowestfalia2405]

Great video! Thanks :)

[@HitokiriRaiden]

I learned a good little bit. Thanks for the video.

[@paulreitz1095]

Summit Racing applicator gun has new p/n TES-08571

[@AutoRestoMod]

Thanks! We changed it in the about section, can't fix the video since KZbin got rid of annotations.

[@welcometoreality3450]

sorry if this is a dumb question but...why not use the piece you cut out & repair with POR15 with a backing piece of metal on back? It wont rust again...

[@AutoRestoMod]

That is an option. We had a view or two asking about panel bonding adhesives so we wanted to show how to do that.

[@AutoRestoMod]

LOL we know, thanks for the kind words Corwin!

[@C_HILL_OUT]

Would this work to do some small patchwork on a floor pan?

[@AutoRestoMod]

Yeah.

[@robertstaff]

did the screws com out easy? i would think they get bonded as well.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Yeah, they did.

[@georgenunez8867]

When do you remove the self tappers?

[@AutoRestoMod]

After it is dry

[@hunterlutz9582]

How did you guys clean the metal behind the panel where the plates were glued at?

[@AutoRestoMod]

We used a small hand held sand blaster.

[@hunterlutz9582]

@@AutoRestoMod oh ok do you have link by chance where i can get one?

[@brianallen0826]

I thought you had to use the metal prep before the por 15.

[@AutoRestoMod]

+brianallen0826 We used the grinder to knock off the loose rust. Metal Prep is a good idea on metal that will not be getting POR15. Remember, POR stands for Paint Over Rust.

[@ifixboats5066]

I welded my panel in and put filler in the time it took me to watch this video

[@AutoRestoMod]

You are speedy!

[@jimmyjames1411]

Im looking to remove my rear qtr panel bc of rust and instead of welding in a new one using a adhesive to set it in place.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Look deeper into it. Welding is better in a lot of instances.

[@charlesbombaugh9028]

What about High Impact Panel Adhesive"?

[@danb.3397]

Well, not bowled over but no thumbs down

[@cougnut913]

dont use honda sheet metal..

[@y2k6507]

No safety glasses full face Shield would be good

[@AutoRestoMod]

Old dogs...

[@mschoppe67]

A lot of shops are going to this method to prevent heating up the metal, with welding, which encourages rust, making this a better method, am I right.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Mike Schoppe Some. Keep in mind that panel bonding adhesive is for full panel work.We've since learned form Larry Sherley, our other host, that panel bonding as we did it in this video can have "tells" after it has been done. Allan said much the same thing. We'd still say that panel bonding adhesive is best left to the full panel install and welding is the best way to do this kind of repair.

[@erictulenko6082]

This is where you have dropped the ball. Should have sandblasted that rusted area to an SSPC-SP5 White Metal. Then applied a zinc-rich corrosion resistant primer (think sacrificial anode like on your Merc Marine Outdrive, or inside your hot water heater). Followed by a High Build Epoxy Intermediate Coat (vapor barrier). POR-15 is Crap, by comparison. Check to see if POR15 has an accelerated salt-spray test data. I am unaware if it carries any resistance to salt-spray, especially when compromised.

[@AutoRestoMod]

We are not storming the Normandy beaches here, the POR15 will do better than fine in this application.

[@axtra92]

Eric Tulenko how is it in moms basement?

[@steveschilling5966]

its used on navy ships is that enough salt lol

[@CorwinBos]

Side grinder? You mean angle grinder....

[@leeboat]

Safety glasses?

[@cougnut913]

those are working man hands

[@jerrym1240]

Yup, looks like he passed basic finger smashing course.

[@tedanoch]

People everything in this video it’s wrong, maybe homemade projects will be fine

[@AutoRestoMod]

Wow, EVERYTHING?

[@1flashlite1]

and you think Jussie Smollett is telling the truth...

[@surreyrust3709]

did you remove the screws or just grind off the heads

[@AutoRestoMod]

We removed the screws and used a fiberglass poly filler to fill the holes. Then after complete cure, went on the backside and flooded the area where the holes were with POR15.

[@geddonmeansome9834]

You obviously are not bothered if you get something in your eye.

[@AutoRestoMod]

Old habits die hard.

[@TC-dw6wg]

That’s all you took from the video? Sad! Thanks Autorestomod.

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

good job guys but to all the tinkers out there my humble opinion but if you do not want a 220v welder even a cheapo you do not need to redo car n trucks..i guess a 110 volt will work but the only 110v i have seen work goodish was a miller but the cheapo 220v was fine and its easy to install a 220v plug as 110 air compressor n welder suck i can not wrap may head around the fear i have seen with installing 220v plug

[@jeffnations3187]

wrong you guys don't know what your doing? why didn't you just cut and flange a new piece of metal in? and use clecos and the glue. simple

[@AutoRestoMod]

Lots of ways to skin a cat bro. Clecos are not in everyone's tool box. Flanging while appropriate in some areas would not be easy on a compound curve.

[@428cobrastang]

This guy sure lacks any idea of shop safety...