How to wire a VW id3 battery module to a BMS, building a off grid system with a victron multiplus

Here is a really easy battery system to build.
No busbars or flimsy ballance leads.
I swaped my growatt SPF 5000 to a Victron multiplus 2 48v becouse of the narrow voltage span in the growatt.
I hope that this video can bring some light in how to connect this type of battery module to a Daly bms, ore any bms.
Make sure to not load the balance leads with more then 200mA.
The leads in the battery module is very thin and if you short them or load them with to high current those can fail, leaving you with a useless cell module!
Note:
Those batterys are dangerous and should be handled with respect and not be installed in your house. A stand alone garage or shed is what i recommend.

[@XIHO-Cass]

learn more from you, thanks

[@andykeatley4967]

Great videos. I’m also a VWG HVE of over 5 years, spend all my working days inside battery packs. Great work you’re doing with the ID3 12s modules, really interesting to watch. Thanks for posting! 👍

[@flyingtools]

Thank you so much sir 😃 And thanks for watching🙂

[@erikslagter3231]

very clean setup! happy new year!

[@flyingtools]

Thank you, I wish you the same 😃

[@simonwoolley592]

Great video good luck with the algorithm 😊

[@flyingtools]

Hahaha, thanks😃. You must have read my comment on Nate’s channel, right? Thank you so much for your comment 😊

[@tobiasmuller4455]

just the way i did mine :) well done ! when all finished i`ll run 15 packs in parallel

[@flyingtools]

Great! Do you use one bms to each module or are you trying to match the cellvoltage before you connect them and then parallel the balance leads?

[@WickedEngineer]

@@flyingtools every pack gets a Daly BMS and I'll manually charge them up to ten millivolts accuracy before they get paralleled up. For management they'll get the can bus boards attached to each BMS

[@WickedEngineer]

@@flyingtools paralleling the balance leads will most likely blow the fuses at one point when they drift apart while charging or discharging

[@flyingtools]

@@WickedEngineer exactly.

[@kwamelion270]

great video, thanks for sharing. I guess a solar charge controller can be connected to a common buss bars to charge the battery in an off grid settings.

[@flyingtools]

You are absolutely right about that👍🏻

[@erikslagter3231]

This is a very clean setup. I think if I can get these modules, it will be a good replacement for my tesla model s battery based solar system. The price incl shipping is around 240EUR/kwh (excluding bms) so that is not bad.

[@benzoesansodu5866]

You can have these modules much cheaper, about 90€/kWh + vat in Europe. I know the guy who have many of them.

[@denveronly]

ive brought 4 of these modules from Poland with price like 400Eur/6.85kWt module. Poland has LG chem factory

[@erikslagter3231]

@@denveronly 400 euro, that is so cheap. Does the seller have ebay? :-)

[@denveronly]

@@erikslagter3231 sadly but no Those batteries are used, manufactured 2021year. But still they really dont have any degradation when measured. Really passport specs

[@martinmtawali7359]

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[@SKempers]

Great video! I did order the BMS but they did say that the Li-ION version is not available anymore and that the LiFePo4 12s will also work. I hooked it up to the battery cell and configured it to Li-ion settings. It works fine now. I'm also an HVE at VAG. I mis just de pink loop cable that also would be in that connector and that it has to be removed as well 😉. Keep on the great work

[@flyingtools]

Hi! Great info that the lifepo4 version will work to. I was guessing that but I never had it confirmed. The pink loop is in the blue or the brown end, that’s why you did not see it, I only use the black end😉 Thank you so sir😃

[@SKempers]

@flyingtools sorry you're completely right that the pink loop is in the blue or brown end ..... I'm still busy collecting with everything to make a ESS. The cells i do have and now a BMS. I have some pictures but isn't allowed to put a link in this message. If you want to see, let me know. Stefan

[@wietsedevries85]

Hi this is again A really Nice video of A setup with 1 module. Thanks for Charing your pinout of the cable. I read there are more hve follow you 😀 keep up the Nice video regards from the netherlands

[@coldweek]

Hello @bontapart! Can you please share your settings? I am in the same situation, I need to setup BMS from LiFePo4 to Li-ion. Thanks

[@flyingtools]

@@wietsedevries85 thank you 😃

[@davidcorlett2082]

Great video. Really like the explanation on the Daly bms. I've still not found the correct setup for my batteries as although they are from a Hyundai ioniq, there's no info on them. Guessing isn't great.

[@flyingtools]

Thanks, hope you figure it out.

[@tobiasmuller4455]

they are litium ion, so i wouldn`t charge them above 4.15 and discharge not below 3.5 to keep them alive for long. how many cells in series ?

[@frankgrunder8242]

är det möjligt att ha en 30 min konversation med dig om rådfråga. Detta är givetvis möjligt mot en avgift.Jag har Swish 😃⚡😃 Frank-Älmhult

[@flyingtools]

Det hade säkert varit jättetrevligt men jag håller mig till youtube. Stort tack för erbjudandet🤩

[@jellyd4889]

You are all genius here. Who can we buy this from as finished kit? And how much would it cost

[@RichardSteigmann]

A beautiful video, without too much talk. 👍As always 😁 But if I understand correctly, the block only has 12 cells. That doesn't really give you 48V, does it?

[@flyingtools]

You are absolutely right! 44v is more correct. But it’s closer to 48v then 36v. And it even says 48v 12s on the BMS. Thank you so much ☺️

[@user-lo3ie5zi6i]

Tusen takk for informativ video. Har en offgrid hytte som jeg vil ha 240v ac på, ble litt nysgjerrig på dette "HV" systemet. Hvorfor stoppe på 48v når man kan gå høyere og sikrere med moduler i serie og få flere Watt. Men hvilke BMS er må man velge da? og hva med Aggregat ladning. Kommer du med en video på det?

[@flyingtools]

Hej. Jättekul att du gillar det. Denna videon gjorde jag enbart för att visa hur enkelt man kan sätta ihop ett 48 V system med dessa moduler. Själv använder jag mig av nio modeller i serie, ett system på 450 V. Använder en Orion BMS 108s och en Solax hybrid inverter på 15kw samt att den är med på frekvensreglering mot svenska kraftnät. Allt detta finns det mer info om på min kanal. Någon video på ett elverk för laddning kommer dock ej. Tack för din kommentar 😃

[@coldweek]

Great video, yesterday I managed to start up my BMS with your settings:). But I've got a question, I need to set properly "Bulk charging voltage" and "Floating charging voltage" settings on my inverter. Can you share these settings? Thanks.

[@flyingtools]

I have the same voltage on bulk and float when I use lion batteries. 4,05 cell voltage is what I use to sett it to. Hope this helps😊

[@coldweek]

@@flyingtools can you specify the bulk charging voltage and floating charging voltage you've used in your inverter? I did the same setup, but my BMS always throws sum of high voltage fault. Thanks.

[@umbertogazzola2486]

👍

[@flyingtools]

😃

[@igorkvachun3572]

Yes👍☀ ⚡🔋🔌💡

[@flyingtools]

Thanks for your comment 🤩

[@dennydewaal137]

As it is a car battery i wonder, isn’t there a form of heating element ore pad inside for charging below zero to protect the battery?

[@flyingtools]

The heating is built in to the cars battery box and not to the battery itself. Good question btw👍🏻

[@denveronly]

ive brought 4 of these modules from Poland with price like 400Eur/6.85kWt. They are 8s3p and doubled gives 16s3p. But you should cut and turn off 2 cells to be 14s3p. (can leave 15s3p it will be the same) and charge it to 4.05-4.08V max for safety. So i get 12.5Kwt from one battery on 4.2v charge and 10.5Kwt on 4.05 charge which suits me great for low voltage, higher safety and longer battery life. I would recomend you do the same thing. I own a 24kWt powerwall for 1800Eur (with bms and wiring) that is the future we deserve, not the Tesla wich uses same Nmc battaries 9kwt- 10 000Eur\ I dont know what the minimum victron voltage is, but usualy it is higher the battery (12s2p like yours can give) so your range is not great, The best 48 inverter range is 14s( 13s or 15s are acceptable but there are some issues) These blocks uses Lg chem Li Nmc cells E78 type wich is the most safest Lg has made. E63 cells are dope and Lg uses them in their RESU10h Powerwalls which explode and work awful due to the old cells limitations (charge-discharge rates especially in colder temperatures) Also all power wall companies use their batteries i n 4.2v top level which causes them to degradate in 2-4 years of work and be really questionable to beacome crap in 5-6 years. Undervoltage gives 10+ years of usage, also high temperatures are a blast, 0-20degree are the best temps you can have

[@flyingtools]

Victron can use the hole capacity in those 12s modules, it’s absolutely not the most efficient set up but really simple. So the purpose with this video was more for fun and how it can be done really easy.

[@denveronly]

@@flyingtools cool, im using deye and it has less capabilities so i needed to cut to decrease voltage Btw, can victron charge more than 57,6 as in specs to 60-66 volts?

[@CFerd20]

I have several of the 32v 8s3p ID.4 modules that I need a pinout reading and BMS for, do you have a resource for this info???

[@flyingtools]

No sadly not, but soon I hope.

[@abrahamayebakuro1546]

Hello, nice videos i really do like them. kindly share links to the equipments or materials used in your videos, so we can purchased if we many do the same. regards

[@flyingtools]

Hi and thank you. I buy most of my stuff from eBay and when bidding is over the link will be useless. You simply have to Google the items instead and find it by yourself.

[@abrahamayebakuro1546]

@@flyingtools Thank you very much Sir and keep it up

[@edijsegli527]

Nice to see Victron Energy in your garage. Its a 48V system?

[@flyingtools]

Yes it is👍🏻

[@user-ez9fr6ve1r]

Hi.I am thinking of fitting an ID3 module to my system but my problem is my 6kw Solis hybrid inverter will not recognise the battery as its not on the list any advise would be appreciated .

[@flyingtools]

Hi. You need a BMS between the battery and your inverter that can communicate with your inverter. Hope this helps☺️

[@martinmtawali7359]

Very educative! Would you happen to have a cheap source of these 12S modules? Link me up please

[@flyingtools]

Hi! Thank you 😃 No link, sorry. I mostly bought my batterys from Norway.

[@martinmtawali7359]

@@flyingtools oh pliz PM

[@Pawel_GP]

Hello. In the meantime I bought two VW modules and a 5kW offgrid inverter in the garden house. I'd like to test them. If everything is ok, I will buy two additional modules. What, in your opinion, will be the best BMS for such a system. Twice Daly bms 12s 100a? Thank you :-)

[@flyingtools]

There is probably many bms out there that will work with your battery. I have only tested daly in that configuration and I am satisfied with them. Two 100A in parallel would work fine.

[@Pawel_GP]

@@flyingtools What type of the main fuse did you use? (this 350A) ANL type or something else? Isn't it a bit too big? Thank you.

[@MrKejpyke]

Hi, could you pls tell us what was the usable kwh from this set up. I mean how many kwh can we pull out from this 6.85kwh battery in real life. Thanks

[@flyingtools]

Hi, yes, i tested it in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/joSVZmqZaK-jbMUsi=4AJgZgMK5SC8MR7P Thank you so much for you’re interest ☺️

[@MrKejpyke]

@@flyingtools thanks for reply. It's appreciated!

[@esperans]

Hej👋 vart har du hittat pin config? Jag letar efter Pin config för 8s3p modul från 77Kw/h batteri . Mvh

[@flyingtools]

Hej. Det finns inte vad jag vet. Jag har mätt upp dem själv. Har en 8s liggandes som jag ska mäta upp för en framtida video då fler har frågat.

[@leandromachado2854]

How I can use Porsche Tycan module to make a battery pack to my motorcycle?

[@flyingtools]

Sorry, but I dont know.

[@VoljcMarjan]

How could you connect the battery to the Victron multiplus if the battery has a voltage of 36V-50.4V? In what voltage range do you charge the battery? Thank you

[@martdaymo]

That's a very good question, the victron will only go down to 42 volts I think.. it would be nice to know how much of the capacity from 50 volts to 42 volts he is able to get.

[@flyingtools]

The inverter can be set between 38-66v The cell specs is 3,3-4,2v The voltage range = 39,6-50,4. So no problems at all. 3,0v is only the safety cut of done by the bms.

[@denveronly]

@@flyingtools great inverter specs, because most of inverters do only 42volts. my Deye gives 42-58.8 volts. i was so upset that it differs from specs and i cant use it as described 60volts. i made a powerwall from 8s3p x2 in 16s and was needed to cut two cells to obtain needed voltage in your setup you should grab as i did just same modules but they are 8s3p and make a 16s and you will be god blessed with 2x 6.85kwh. By the way, can you confirm that your inverter can charge up to 66volts or it can accept up to 66 volts? I read Victron specs and they show inverter charge capability of 57.6v maximum the lower voltage is configured absolutely correct 3.3 is ok the higher voltage i would lower to 4.05-4.08. It will be more stable and safe and working far more time

[@A2an]

What is your strategy ? x ∞ = ∞ ? 😉 Why moving away from high voltage input ? Your Battery trailer is high voltage... So why Max 48 V Inverter from Victron ? I am a Little confused 😊 But nicely made video 👍

[@flyingtools]

Hi, no no no and no, I will never go back to 48v now when I have my HV system working. 😅 This video was made mostly to show how you can connect a bms to it. I hade some question about that. And as I say in the end of the video, this is for a little shed that I have near by, but to far away to use an extension cord. Thanks for your comment and concern.😊👍🏻

[@djjmtimmermans]

Hi. I watched all your videos. So first of all. Thank you for sharing this knowledge. I want to build a victor 48v inverter system with ID.3 modules because I can get some cheap. Why do you say you never go back to 48v?

[@minatchywilfrid41]

Hello, I am in the process of purchasing a Daly 16S 48V 100A BMS. I already have my ID3 module, my 0Z1971690T cable on order. On my BMS it says Lifepo4 but the seller assured me that I can change Li-ion. Do you think this is ok?

[@flyingtools]

Yes it sounds like it should work but why 16 S instead of 12 S? Are you planning to use two 8S modules?

[@minatchywilfrid41]

Hello no I am not going to Use 2 8S modules, my project is to use an id3 module that I already have in my possession. I took the 16S because I have a friend who had ordered it but not used it. I am in Reunion Island and delivery from Aliexpress can take up to 2 months. I chose the easiest solution. From what I understand and what I have been told, it is enough not to connect the remaining 4 wires and to insulate them well but I have no experience on this. What do you think ?

[@minatchywilfrid41]

I would like to know if the Growatt SPF5000ES inverter is good for my project please?

[@flyingtools]

12s is sadly to low. You will only be able to use approx 30%of the capacity. The 8s module will not work at all.

[@minatchywilfrid41]

OK, that’s why you replaced the Growatt with a Victron?

[@MichaelB-et4hp]

If it was a idea to make "tutoarial" to wire vw id 3 battery, please make nok shortcuts, meaning a super N00b wantt the full guide, meaning don't stop by just first wire, if the purpose of the video was to wire the battery wires to bms wire it was not accomplished :) every wire/color should be shown ;) (yes som viewers are lasy)

[@flyingtools]

No it was not mentioned to be a tutorial in how to solder the cables, it was meant to show which pin I used to connected the bms.

[@joramotorsportteam3277]

48V with fingers??? Where are safety gloves?

[@flyingtools]

Not needed.

[@joramotorsportteam3277]

I call today to Daly support. Daly is supported max 200V. We need 200V in the beginning for Solax, and we need High Voltage BMS for upgraded to 650V. What U recommend? I get one, but not send me pricer for master and slave HB BMS

[@flyingtools]

@@joramotorsportteam3277 i use Orion 2 for my high voltage battery, 108s. Daly are more like toys compared to that bms and is ok for smaller and cheaper systems.

[@joramotorsportteam3277]

@@flyingtools Where we can order? ORION 2 for the tests?

[@flyingtools]

@@joramotorsportteam3277 I bought from lithiumsystem.ch/?lang=en

[@joramotorsportteam3277]

What model of BMS U use for VW ID battery pack?

[@flyingtools]

Daly Bms 12s