How Trackmania Players Destroyed Cheaters

Last year, cheating speedrunners destroyed the leaderboards on Trackmania's most prestigious map. But recently, some Trackmania players set out on a mission for justice; they wanted to beat the cheated records legitimately.
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[@Wirtual]

My friend DarkLink made a great documentary about the History of A01 Race leading up to this point. Worth checking out if you want to learn the backstory of the track. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXXSkKKYeMefjtE

[@donootsforfree5824]

Interesting storry Anyways you girgot to Update the music list xD

[@i.chavez7219]

Another absolute banger. Good job 👏 👏👏

[@trystangovender4827]

Eww riolu

[@wiranproduction327]

Your list of music hasn"t been updated since a 7 months old video. I was wondering if it was because all the musics you use are on there or because it can take a lot of time. Anyway, great job, you're doing well

[@nielagi5029]

Could you do a poll, checking how many people that watch your videos actually are Trackmania players? I've watched all your videos but never played Trackmania. I guess I just appreciate the perfection that is being strived for but I don't have the dedication to do it myself.

[@Dukes3677]

Imagine being in 3rd for 7 years thinking "it was a good run" then it comes out the 2 who beat you were cheating and you now have the record again. Would be wild.

[@r00kiet80]

Kinda sucks they stole it from you for 7 entire years

[@Dukes3677]

@@r00kiet80 true, but the satisfaction of being so skilled that for SEVEN years they had to hide the fact they cheated to beat you would feel good. Especially to learn they couldn't do it legit.

[@DarthBane-zf8wv]

Kinda like the Olympics as drug testing improves and they test old samples.

[@LRM12o8]

I'd imagine it sucked more than anything. To me it would be a victory that doesn't feel like one, because nothing has changed about the performance that resulted in third place before, but suddenly it deserves first place? Must feel weird, I guess...

[@KingEngine97]

yea also kripke is a man of honor, backthen in my teens i bought all of his Trackmania texture packs, car skins, horn sounds with Coopers you could grind for ingame.

[@grilledtoast2538]

Imagine cheating, getting caught, getting banned, then having your record absolutely smashed by a legit chad. Absolute legend.

[@imnotsureman1093]

two chads*

[@patstaysuckafreeboss8006]

In two years it will be revealed that the current record was cheated.

[@shank8120]

@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 nah all current runs are driven on a competitive patch of tmnf that can detect pretty much any manipulation of the base game. It’s technically still possible these records could be cheated, but it’s very, very unlikely

[@patstaysuckafreeboss8006]

@@shank8120 The cheaters are always one step ahead. Always.

[@Drix7]

@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 That's saying someone is cheating just for the sake of saying someone is cheating, no other way to put it

[@StriderStryker]

TAS: *gets 23:78* Speedrunners: _So you’re telling me there’s a chance._

[@PseudoEntropy97]

Lackadal managed a 23.80.

[@KPB059]

0.02 more

[@nine9nine9]

Any updates since?

[@PseudoEntropy97]

@@nine9nine9 Not yet.

[@SoI-]

@@PseudoEntropy97 any update now?

[@crackertower5874]

When I saw drarker beating riolu's cheated one I said to myself 'can't they just speedslide after the downhill for a bit of extra speed?' Then you started mentioning the new strategy and I felt my brain ascend to a whole new level.

[@ankthares6474]

Thing is, you need a minimum amount of speed in order to the speed drift to be effective, otherwise you would just loose speed even with a perfect angle Here the speed is really at the threshold, and only thanks to the recent TAS provided we could see that the speed drift is indeed possible, Many players have tried it before all that, but because we were not sure, we didnt focus that much since we could gain much more time elsewhere

[@boltstrikegaming7179]

Lol me too but I understood it was not possible due to the speed at which to initiate it

[@StillaCoookie]

Made ir 69 for you

[@Vin80_]

I was wondering that too since I don’t really know speed slides that well.

[@partyjerk]

Rebbeca please

[@snozbucket]

me having never played TM or know any of the tricks "he did a 23:81" me: HOLY SHIT WHAT A GOD

[@kyouhyung]

I never played (or even heard of trackmania prior to coming across this channel) but the editing and explanation this guy does in this videos is spot-on. Just the right amount of explanation where its needed, with just the right shots that convey the focal points, so that viewers can admire the robotic precision of the speedrunners without being distracted. The pacing and the build up is great, and he manages to get the viewers fully acquainted with the track and the history of each track by the time he throws in the historic runs. 'tis really a fine channel by itself even if you are not interested in the game itself.

[@Bitos_Cyril]

Exactly the same 😂😂😂

[@jakubkuczynski683]

Try it, it is also a great party game. There is nothing better than a shitfaced hotseat session with the bois.

[@ohsnapp8379]

Lol I thank you, thought I was the only one. Lmao.

[@ErichuEdits]

😂😂

[@Sersephal]

Drarker: I dont really believe in that *double speedslide* Days later* Drarker: So i just beat my own record with the double speedslide

[@chucklesdeclown8819]

bro, sometimes you have to believe it when you see it

[@0Heeroyuy01]

i cant believe in the life of this game NO ONE has though about that being a thing. iv never played this game and when he started talking about speed sliding my first thought was can you speed slide the first corner after the down hill.

[@chucklesdeclown8819]

@@0Heeroyuy01 ya, that is fair, I don't understand how some things can be unfound for years, not like really complicated bugs but simple bugs and things that should of been obvious ya know?

[@0Heeroyuy01]

@Orange quit the cap, you know as well as i do that if these players are as good as this video says they are at least *ONE* of them should have though about this sooner and gave it an attempt. also lets be honest here if the community is like this video says it is someone in that community should have put forth this idea years ago even if they werent skilled enough to do it someone who is would have then tried the idea.

[@C.G.Gaster]

@@0Heeroyuy01 remember how we used to think (well some of us still do) the earth is flat, or people believed the earth was the center of everything. Frankly humans dont really like the idea of change or something new, so instead we try to either look for flaws or straight out ignore it. The only time things like the earth being flat and the solar system were believed was when proof was shown. It's still that way today in the science world. They look for holes and make the holes bigger to discredit the work.

[@theratking4200]

The irony of a cheated 23.83 and a 23.86 being beat by legit runs of near exactly the same times by the Chads Drarker and Rollin is phenomenal

[@MccThiccens]

Well, it's as Wirtual said, when the cheaters were outed people began to see promise in holding a record, inspiring more people to strategize and create TASs and dream bigger on the map. I don't think anyone was inspired before the cheaters were outed though, it's pretty ironic that cheating is what created this ambition in players to do better.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

I suppose that is a weird sort of silver lining to TAS/Slo-mo type cheats: even if they're not done legitimately, they still end up technically showing what's truly possible with enough skill and time, at least depending on the game and mechanics performed of course.@@MccThiccens

[@iamthebubb]

As someone who held a lot of records on TM, I was devastated when I found out I was racing against so many cheaters. I played with these people on many occasions and some on esports. Knowing that I got knocked out of leagues or positions in the league and out of money, was legitimately horrible

[@ryans756]

Y'know, if the loss of earnings is significant, you probably have a legal case against these shitbags. Either way, good job on getting records. I started playing yesterday and rose from about 12 millionth best player in the world, to ten millionth. Hahahaha. I'm coming for your blood, old timer. I'm joking, I'm joking :)

[@qx4n9e1xp]

Welcome to the way the world works. Cheaters are always at the top, even in real life (Governments, companies, etc.) The key thing is to slowly shave off the top, & stay with a group that does the same and will back to up. Honest players/workers/people ALWAYS get cukt

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

@@qx4n9e1xp Maybe. Maybe. But, cheaters, no matter how successful, will still be empty people with empty accomplishments having to live with that fact. Honest and Hard work will always triumph

[@frizzyrascal1493]

@@qx4n9e1xp They do not always get cukt. The higher you get on any ladder (especially when its about Power and Money), the more crooked and vicious people will be. Thats the game. I don't like the rules so I don't play, but I still believe there are good politicians out there. The ones who stand their ground and don't get cukt

[@user-su8hj1bn6h]

@@frizzyrascal1493 yeah like 0.001% of them who dont really hold any true power

[@Dragoderian]

It may be petty, but there's something very satisfying about seeing 'cheater' in big red letters any time Riolu's record pops up. Then seeing actually good players surpass the cheaters? Perfection.

[@ciemny_awootism]

*well well well, how the turntables...*

[@jamesp5343]

still no response from riolu ! Its been almost 9 months now I believe

[@karstenbeck6919]

@@jamesp5343 7 months

[@laim866]

@@jamesp5343 i don’t think he is coming back with a response at all, he is probably to ashamed of himself for him to do that.

[@manhealme]

@@laim866 yea, if he could've admit to his cheating and listen to Wirtual's advice he might still make a comeback

[@rubenbrouwer6897]

The community really outdid itself with this

[@sebastianbuse4899]

im sorry i dont mean any offense but what does wirtual mean with the most competitive racing game? im from the Formula 1 world and play gran turismo

[@harpot678]

@@sebastianbuse4899 has wirtual ever been part of other racing game communities?

[@mditm6966]

@@sebastianbuse4899 by competitive, he means the most active and "serious" racing game - its like when you are in a running race - everyone wants to be first, thats what he means

[@sebastianbuse4899]

@@mditm6966 ty, i get it now, its just weird cause i search up how many players play trackmania and its like in the thousands while real racing simulators like gran turismo has sold about 14million copies

[@ral0958]

@@sebastianbuse4899 for "most competitive" he means number of players perfecting this 23seconds tracks and porsuiting 0.01 of perfection. I'm from full simulation as well (AC DR2.0) and you now that has much more variants for the mean of perfection.

[@russellsheridan3957]

19:30 That has to hurt. Imagine wanting to TAS, claiming a non-TAS record, then getting smashed by another person who actually TASes and beats your non-TAS record.

[@rory8182]

Call that a TAS? THIS is a TAS

[@nestroaltam3393]

Talent assisted speed run

[@IonRuby]

"TASes"

[@TheDsRequiem]

He definitely was just doing a cop out lmao. He didn't care about doing tas

[@cireyetud6723]

If anyone is wondering how this story ends, lackadal, the guy barely mentioned at the end, got a 23.80 flat and stole the record

[@tim.noonan]

And by ‘stole’ you mean ‘rightfully took the record from known cheaters’, yes?

[@cireyetud6723]

@@tim.noonan yea it just sounds cooler lol

[@ZaPpaul]

It's now at 23:79 by Eddiel33t 🙃

[@cireyetud6723]

@@ZaPpaul thank you for the update

[@go-away-5555]

@@tim.noonanDrarker and Rollins cheated??

[@dynad00d15]

Thats a triple FU to the cheaters ! Not only their "records" has been achieved legitimately, it was beaten 2 times! I admire the passion and the patience of trackmania community.

[@mareksicinski3726]

well it is a recovery from any damage

[@Etienne-JEUNEHOMME]

@@LinUwUxCat lmao

[@sorakey4005]

@@LinUwUxCat much better orgasim

[@levelup1279]

It isn't an FU to the cheaters at all, what are you even talking about? All the other cheaters were just optimizing the old method which is exactly what they did. Give a programmer the challenge & they could make a selfevolution based AI that changes time randomly & takes an aggregate value of the 50 fastest samples in a group for the next generations baseline. That alone would destory a any speedruners because humans suck compared to a purpose built machine.

[@Cheddar555]

@VincentPanteraGT5 Also I hate that in FH5 there aren't that many cheats used but so many in-game exploits.

[@Mehlmaschinex]

I’ll never forget the day my economy teacher and I started talking about video games and we ended up agreeing to race against each other in track mania. A few races later he won all of them by a long shot. Turns out he was a professional trackmania esports player and competed in several tourneys.

[@arciks11]

Whomst?

[@pututunik8748]

name, now

[@jacobdoolan4978]

I wanna see if this is cap

[@arciks11]

@@jacobdoolan4978 OP never delivers.

[@dsdy1205]

I'm trying to imagine Hefest teaching economics

[@ChillkittzGT]

19:55 I love how rollin and drarker literally replicated the exact lap times of the two cheaters too

[@WorldEngine64]

Me too

[@the_undead]

Just as the ultimate middle finger to the cheaters

[@offender0]

For reference, Lackadal now holds the fastest record at 23.80

[@stevenbng6167]

HOW

[@adarkwind4712]

@@stevenbng6167 legitimately probably as “perfect” as humanly possible.

[@tIhIngan]

Lackadal has been tied by a 1-hit wonder...

[@QuarterMan5867]

then eddieman (who has 1 replay) tied it... suspicious

[@roifler651]

@@QuarterMan5867 he's legit - he holds nearly every 01 WR in TM2020

[@greenstonegecko]

Rollin The Redeemer of Records Drarker Destroyer of Cheaters Massive respect to Drarker and Rollin

[@prizrenlegend_yt3102]

Hefest- in every record

[@Rindiculousfun]

Lackadal Forgotten Legend

[@skypepper577]

@@Rindiculousfun Raceta the quiet hero Plastorex the crazy scientist Vlad the Impaler *Uhm, what?*

[@agentdachshund7095]

Underrated

[@ElSmartTV]

Its amazing how saving every replay inputs can change a story of a wr And is also amazing see people beat cheaters

[@nexuhs.]

I feel like recording a good run and improving the inputs manually until it goes into wr times is a sad easy way to cheat and fake a record at this point

[@nexuhs.]

@@jpryan90 im not sure, but if that's how it works then what i said shouldn't apply

[@luqmanmohiuddin4006]

@@jpryan90 the inputs are what is needed to replay the run. if they change the input the run will also change. So it could still work

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@luqmanmohiuddin4006 I'd imagine that's how TAS runs work. They get to tamper with the inputs in the middle, or smth similar.

[@Syllaren]

@@jpryan90 you could just make a bot and record your inputs, then tweak them a little bit at a time until it was perfect. Not saying they did, but it's pretty possible to happen in a game with no rng variations.

[@AgentRikuOfficial]

I absolutely fucking love the TAS community, they drive for "inhuman" perfection for a speedrun that *seems* impossible and then some absolute beast of speedrunners dedicate themselves to proving it is possible with drive, practice and raw potential

[@renneverbright]

If I TASed for Trackmania, I would probably assume that people could copy my style and improve irl. And egg them on to do so.

[@levievil9220]

@@renneverbrightI would post a video and send it to the mods not as a speed run but to challenge then speedrunners like hey this guy supposedly made a inhumane run want to beat him

[@ezaf5989]

Cringe weeb

[@KWCHope]

Drarker is like a true underdog story, always getting ties and always being so close, he never even thought two of the slides were humanly possible, but once he saw, he knew he had to try, and became a legend

[@undeadfury55]

This TAS guy is pretty good, why isn’t he on the leaderboard?

[@jacobhanekamp2534]

Hahaha, im just waiting for it 😂

[@zninjachato]

This made me remember a guy called RioluTM, he was so good, that looked he was in slow motion... but he isn't in the leaderboards... why? ;)

[@Evotionn]

i think he was hacking with Tas so they didnt count it.because everyone can tell he has a really good gaming lamp so he would be #1 anyways dunno y he isnt on tye the leaderboards

[@pladselsker8340]

who is this TAS guy and WHY IS HE SO GOOD AT THE GAME

[@tbotalpha8133]

This TAS guy is everywhere! He has so many world records, they have to make an entire TAS category for every game, just to give the other runners a fighting chance!

[@RenwallZocalo]

"Our best records were cheated." TM Community: "...and we took exception to that." Super happy to see this outcome.

[@pheonixboty7725]

@@faniapita6169 Dont reply back to his bot, just report her for unwanted reasons

[@slayinkittys2843]

Except Riolu didn't cheat on every map the community needs to figure their shit out and give him back his records he actually got

[@fort809]

@@slayinkittys2843 that’s not how that works, if you submit any cheated runs all of your runs get wiped from the leaderboards. That how it works in basically every speedrunning community

[@Cardioid2035]

I’ve never played this game, but this guy’s editing/ storytelling is better than most Netflix documentaries. Wirtual if you ever read this, become a director you have vision!

[@WHMAGuy]

The frustration involved with grinding at records like this must be immense. Run after run after run to be .01-.02 off. I’d love to be there to see the reaction of these legends when they get it.

[@rokushou]

The double speedslide exemplifies why I love TAS as a speedrun category. TAS discovers a bunch of "not humanly possible" tricks and some eventually trickle down into regular speedruns, leading to better times. I can't wait till nosebug becomes humanly possible as well.

[@MrFarikas]

People are already doing nosebugs though, they are part of kacky maps

[@TejasIsAmazing]

@@MrFarikas Yes, but the crazy nosebugs on the campaign tracks currently look non humanly possible. Also nose bugs have been in trackmania for a long time, its noseboosts that aloow for crazier records, which are still very hard to do in perfect condition due to the almost frame perfect reactions needed for those. And that becomes even harder due the the controller fluctuating by 500's even when held too straight (as told by wirtual), so its pretty much unlikely for the noseboosts strats to be viable, unless we find an easier way to do those.

[@Ennar]

As a casual player of TMNF, I'm always amazed at how open and helpful Trackmania community is. Whenever I asked on any server I played something like if there was a shortcut, I would always get a quick reply explaining precisely how to do something. On the rare occassions someone toxic appeared, they would quickly be shut down by everybody else in the manner of: leave us alone, we are here to have good time, not listen to BS. Despite the cheating affairs, this remains as one of the most amazing communities I've encountered online.

[@nukiradio]

Moderately advanced United Forever player, here. All new people are welcome!!!

[@maxskogh6289]

It's like deep rock galactic. Even though not as competitive and completely different as a game. It too has the most of friendly communities.

[@jimmyfirecracker4548]

I genuinely wish there was a street race-type Trackmania game. My rocks only get going when I can fiddle with liveries, turn my car into a Fast and Furious abomination, and rip through a couple city blocks; but y'all have a _downright enviable_ community.

[@Loupgarou21]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Furtles

[@yeetimusprime246]

Yall are so lucky, I'm happy that my go to game is somewhat open and helpful, trying to give newbies a new tactic, kinda like me, but sadly it still has it's toxic side...

[@jepoyburner]

wirtual is such an impressive youtuber. his videos easily get 2x his sub count and i'm pretty sure that a huge chunk of those views don't even play trackmania.

[@CaTastrophy427]

a huge chunk of the subs don't play I bet. I'm one of them

[@taikathomson2204]

Yep same here

[@siddhantgarg6899]

80% of the viewers in this video don't play track mania but they enjoyed the video because of the storytelling and the legit players beating the cheaters

[@zaclaplant3001]

I'm subbed and I've watched all his content multiple time over and I've never played tm a day in my life. He's simply a great narrator/storyteller, as a native American-English speaker his accent is "muah 👌👌" for listening, as for WTV he and his chat are comedy mines without the phony "overselling intentionally ridiculous reactions as comedy" (it's more of a subtle and sarcastic comedy with a meme-y background. Overall, his content is just enjoyable to watch. Let alone watching phenomenal racing lines is memorizing, even if I can't appreciate it as much as an actual player

[@Wint9rification]

Kind of poetic that the 2 perfect runs he messed up for that 100th of a second, came back to him in his final run where he beat the record by 200th of a second

[@kenji444]

i love how the TAS was a major factor for this whole story. Yes people were caught cheating using TAS. However, had that player not used TAS and found the second speedslide, i think people would have still been stuck and not advancing. perfect example of a tool being used for both good and bad

[@aurorapaisley7453]

Same things make us laugh makes us cry

[@devforfun5618]

using the tas isn't the problem, putting the run and a leaderboard is

[@stalechite4152]

@@devforfun5618 i mean op never said that but ok

[@mikemx55]

Had he made some random numbers around that perfect macro, and no one would've discovered...

[@paulosantiago7457]

Actually Tas helped is actually useful for speedrunners. whenever players reach a dead end, watching TAS speed runs open some doors for improvement. It helped in Super Mario Bros and Mario 64 for exemple

[@ToToMania]

A01, but... it's a Wirtual Documentary. Jokes aside, another great video. The Trackmania community is truly amazing.

[@kelleroid]

it says something that I was excitedly looking for someone to make this reference, and you did it yourself!

[@NinetyLegos]

Sooo underrated comment

[@goodmorningkay]

Hey you're here! I watch you're yt lol

[@eti4256]

Hello you

[@gameknight.thump1]

OH hello ToTo! i love your A01 modification vids, btw

[@DrewP.Johnson]

My favorite part of your videos is that you make us watch the run before telling us the time. Yeah I know at most it'll be 3 hundredths of a second but still thank you and never stop doing that

[@brycedaroni]

It's crazy how much players have continued to push the envelope on this level. Eddiel33t dropping a 23.79 is just incredible.

[@the_undead]

That is so close to what the tool assisted speed run achieved

[@leonardorebeloneto1973]

Drarker deserves it so much man the amount of frustration he had felt on his two "failed" perfect attempts and never giving up requires an astonishing amount of motivation

[@mickjames4736]

"Too hard for human runs." I'm calling bull shit at this point, Trackmania speed runners are psychopaths, they'll do it eventually

[@totallynormalperson2915]

i second this statement

[@totallynormalperson2915]

i second this statement

[@CatTheBeast]

“The world’s most competitive racing game” has the same vibe as “the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft”

[@RuModestIntentions]

This is among best youtube videos I've found in recent months. You are such a great narrator and content creator. I now play trackmania too. Spring 1 top 25 Estonia. Big ups.

[@Kennedy00Louis]

I love how every trackmania track has their own protagonists pretty much, king players that seem to have been born for those tracks. Everyone thinks the limit was reached, then suddenly a player arrives and pushes it closest to perfection possible, they become the legend of the track, and now the tracks have these personas that you instantly remember when thinking of the track, then inspiring more legends to try and improve, what a beautiful cycle. And every track has their own legend, in one track it can be player A, in another track it was player B, there seems to be rarely a repeated player, like the track was meant for them.

[@ayooobro]

pablo 🥵

[@tj-pj]

pablo 🥵

[@x265_hevc5]

@@tj-pj and then Hefest had this run...

[@zzzevey]

fellow niko pfp :3

[@Kennedy00Louis]

@@zzzevey hello fellow gamer :3

[@ThaRixer]

Much respect to Drarker and Rollin.

[@BirdHusband]

based big fish theory profile picture

[@busterrex7588]

Much disrespect to cheaters

[@The-Wock]

Much respect to the og Ricky recently watched your silent hill 2 video absolutely loved it

[@neuroo_1691]

Nigga tf is that comment date?

[@colinengel6220]

@@neuroo_1691 Patreons get early access to vids

[@thewolface2339]

I'm very late to the party but after watching the 23.83 run, I got legitimate chills from how insane it was. You have gained a loyal subscriber from the intricate way you tell the story of legendary Trackmania players and I can't wait to see what else you've got in store.

[@tozzasque]

You guys of the community are really awesome. I watch you as external guest as I don't play TM, and i really like how you react on adversity. Keep it so!

[@Thrano]

"Nothing random, completely deterministic." So about those cruise control blocks...

[@natiezclement4400]

Technically speaking, cruise control is completely deterministic as well. If you always do the exact same inputs prior to reaching that block (for exemple : a PF map), you will always get the exact same outcome. The problem about cruise control is that a tiny (even non percivable) difference will lead to what could be considered a great outcome difference when driving on the block, ontop of being a behaviour not even supposed to happen according to the block function and overall making no sense compared to other usual game mechanics. Sounds almost like ice :^)

[@Dark_OFW]

The block just exaggerates the “chaos” in the physics engine.

[@Sareth94]

cruise control isn't in TMNF, but I see your point about the new ones.

[@Thrano]

@@Sareth94 No point, just trying desperately to be funny because my life is void of anything good and my times on TM are very mediocre.

[@richardli4038]

@@Thrano very self aware

[@ucirello]

I'm. Not sure whether it was intentional or not. But this was a very good analysis of the disincentives that cheating brings to an ecosystem.

[@crysolinox4952]

Could be an interesting video idea!

[@martipk]

except in this case it showed something else, it showed how once cheating is remove there is more incentive

[@greenstonegecko]

It says your comment is 8 days old but the video is 8 hours old...

[@codeblue6925]

@@greenstonegecko ya lol thats odd

[@codeblue6925]

@@greenstonegecko oh patreon

[@thijsjudejong]

"Is this humanly possible?" Some speedrunner somewhere: You dare to challenge me mortal?

[@WorldEngine64]

This video had the honor of being the first video that introduced me to TMNF and your channel so i'd just like to say thank you Wirtual.

[@pixelpastiche]

Take note: the difference in ALL of these human examples is that when people said "It's not possible", they continued trying.

[@tbotalpha8133]

"It's not possible." "No, it's necessary."

[@mareksicinski3726]

i mean the reason this was done was precisely bc he believed it's possible

[@lagg1e]

"impossible is an excuse people use when they want to give up"

[@davestrider2045]

As someone who is really into motor sports like F1, this is the first time I’ve watched Trackmania and seen racing lines, corner geometry, and over/understeer play such a vital part of a lap time. Cool to see.

[@carlosandleon]

F1 you say? Bro if I wanna watch cars drive in single file around a track I'd just go trainspotting.

[@JT-hk9ur]

@@carlosandleon are you sure you arent watching drag racing?

[@dumbbuilds1751]

@@carlosandleon are you sure your watching f1?

[@carlosandleon]

@@dumbbuilds1751 To be fair I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a train and the race.

[@orcastrike7750]

@@carlosandleon you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but no amount of arguing will change your mind, that much is clear. So I’ll leave you to your ignorance. Have a nice day!

[@PhazerSC]

Love the A01 series (yours and Darklink's). So much coolness, so much innovation and so much drama!

[@OnionManSteve]

Eddie got a 23.79 in August 2023, and Lackadal has a 23.80, absolutely destroyed the cheater times and it's great to see

[@noaharcinthiran7673]

These Documentary type videos or so fun to watch, you did a great job, I don't even play the game, but you showed us the passion you have for the game through this video. We respect you guys for this. Truly epic!

[@nikraa77]

yep. I'm not really into speedrunning in general, but Wirtual's and summoning salt's videos of this type are soo damn good.

[@karelpgbr]

Yeah, they are the reason for my subscription to W->L

[@karelpgbr]

@@nikraa77 Summoning Salt is so good too! Recently watched his “Beating Matt Turk”-video, these docu-vids never fail to make me cry

[@femboy_garfield]

@@faniapita6169 FUCKING stop it, holy shit, ive seen you two times

[@darknomoredarkyes2516]

The game is free try it :)

[@diavolojaegar]

Virgins: complains about cheating Intellects: out cheat the cheater Chads: beat the cheater in legit way

[@ezpzjayzaar]

"Virgins complain" - are you dumb? Virgins are the ones who cheat!!!

[@nilgaming2022]

Rollin and Drarker are chads

[@atrocious7766]

The fact you call complainers virgins while referring to cheaters as intellects tells me you're definitely a virgin cheater yourself.

[@Luizfernando-dm2rf]

@@atrocious7766 right? xD

[@guilhermepetter5784]

I never played TM and I just realized that I spent full video time whatching theses attempts that I wont beat. One of the best video makers ever for sure

[@FirstLast-xf6xx]

Absolute legend of a creational mind. Every video is just captivating to watch. The transitions and process of the way it's told is just next level.

[@Verbose_Mode]

This is why I love TAS. Because even if it's not humanly possible, it can reveal the upper limits and inspire stuff that humans *can* do.

[@acywei]

Humans can do it, the games controls are just to shit to handle the precision.

[@ohhkennny766]

TAS sets the foundation and shows the true potential for inventing/implementing new movies/strategies into legit runs, Sure some TAS runs are actually borderline impossible and would require an almost absolute perfect run but it's never completely impossible

[@ChlorideCull]

@@ohhkennny766 I mean, some TAS are literally impossible to do in real time, because it would involve actions impossible on standard hardware - and custom hardware is usually not allowed! Not sure how it is with the tricks in trackmania, but I know at least a couple games with TAS tricks that rely on pressing both left and right on a dpad, which on real hardware has a pivot to prevent it.

[@shoeofobama6091]

@@acywei too shit isnt how id put it, what kind of controls would you implement that would allow humans to input with that much prescision? considering that the absolute upper limits of human reaction time are in the tenths of seconds, (hell, tenth of second) rather than hundreds, tas prescision just isnt possible for a human being

[@PosterityIslesNews]

@@shoeofobama6091 some people have better reaction times than others

[@BAIGAMING]

12:13 He should've just started making TAS videos and uploading them, even if it wasn't an official category they're always fun to watch and TAS runs are interesting to see as an "upper limit" to what real-time speedruns can be. EDIT: And of course if he did that he'd have to clearly label the videos as TAS.

[@ALittleMessi]

He should have done exactly what the guy who made the second speed slide did. His videos were labeled TAS and he made them for 250 subs. It wasn't about glory or records. The cheater lost any semblance of respect when he started bragging about it

[@alt1763]

@@ALittleMessi the main thing for TASes are to recognise potential strategies with frame by frame movements, as well as help recognise TAS only tricks for cheat verification

[@fencserx9423]

@@alt1763 They are both the defense and offense of ridiculously optimized speed runs

[@bengermin3104]

Yeah he literally just wanted attention

[@robertwilson3866]

He was just a cheater who lied again when he got caught. Don't believe a word of it

[@DerekIcelord]

I have never played this game, and this is not the video I expected from the title... yet I am strangely satisfied. Hats off to the players that legitimately pushed themselves to be better.

[@angelforgame]

Just so you know, Lackadal went for the .80. Those guys are pure legends

[@StormDogg]

How can trabadia claim his cheating wasn't meant to glorify himself when he went out of his way to brag about them on the leaderboards? That guy really does have zero qualms about blatant lies.

[@NATIK001]

People are never villains in their own story and the human mind is a funny thing. Trabadia very likely believe what he wrote, because when he was caught his mind quickly latched onto some explanation which could justify himself and because the human mind is how it is he could very possibly convince himself that his new reasoning was always his reasoning and thus he wasn't really a bad guy or a real cheater. It happens all the time, we all make snap decisions which our brains then justify later this way, but it also works for intentional premeditated actions.

[@TehGamesaver]

I mean Wirtual showed proof of the cheating, but never the chat logs that he was bragging. So really there's no way if you know Trabadia is lying or if Wirtual is lying. You see this is what happens when you post one truth. Others believe your 1,000 lies. This is how both Trabadia and Wirtual get away with saying lies. One truth does not mean that the next thing said is true, only easier to believe them. That's how Europe's government is so fucked right now, and hell I'm an American saying that!!

[@gabrielhenson5751]

@@NATIK001 or what he said about never being satisfied by his time he maybe thought that if his time was more widely known he would be satisfied, but he clearly wasn't.

[@halbkorn]

Traba now is a tool assisted speedrunner now so it might be half real

[@darthkarl99]

@@halbkorn Honestly hearing the quotes rang some bells for me, i can be really perfectionist about some things, and i was way worse back before my anti-anxiety meds. Tied to some mental health stuff i have going on. But it really resonated with some stuff i've dealt with in terms of my perfectionism. I'm too honest i think to try claiming such a run as legitimate, but i totally could see me going the direction of the rest of it.

[@TeamTimeRiders]

I remember playing track mania sunrise back in the early 2000s and finding it to be a super fun game. My parents bought it for me at my elementary school’s book fair so I’d always assumed it was bargain bin software relegated to the pits of obscurity. You can’t imagine my delight at discovering this channel and learning not only did this game from my childhood stay alive, it has a thriving community with amazing and supportive content creators and world record breakers. Thanks so much!!

[@cubicinfinity2]

Also, can we bring back the stunt and puzzle modes?

[@TeamTimeRiders]

@@cubicinfinity2 yess!! So much this!!

[@gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683]

Honestly the older trackmanias really feel like bargin bin games. But they are just too good for that feeling to matter

[@TeamTimeRiders]

@@gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683 nadeo really put a lot of effort into making the game look great and be super fun to play!

[@p00pie]

idc tbh

[@fifoffjfufs]

i'm binging your channel right now, i love it. trackmania has such pleasant visuals combined with your music choices make these videos very relaxing.

[@MonsieurSansHonte]

What an epic. Thrills, spills, scandal, intrigue and a perfect ending! Great video.

[@MeriaDuck]

20:30 minutes in. Not looked at the TM leaderboard in a long time. Now I'm getting very excited! Will it end with the famous:"And then... Hefest got this run" or will it be someone else. And why is my heartrate actually increased now... Won't spoil it in this comment; let's just say: Hats off to the number one and all the other runners.

[@p00pie]

cringe

[@rynzoku8662]

@@p00pie ok

[@14ryripp]

I was nearly cheering by 19:30. Then I realized there were almost 5 minutes left tand couldn't imagine the next twists in the story. Such a compelling narrator!

[@SEAN-dq2um]

I love your storytelling. I don’t even play trackmania, but you make it so interesting.

[@ajwolf3633]

Having only learned this game exists and finding your videos yesterday it amazes me that a couple of tire lengths is considered "way ahead" at this tier of play.

[@Cm_draws_bugs]

As for fitmc there is the phrase "the oldest anarchist sever of minecraft" for you there is "the most competitive racing game"

[@WaleedDev]

@@biilywinter1480 what the fok

[@Kennedy00Louis]

lmao true. funny that I just recently found fitmc and been watching his videos about the server's history.

[@JoeTaber]

@@WaleedDev it's just spam. Report it and move on

[@THICCTHICCTHICC]

But hefest got this run

[@AnjoSoy]

"...and then, HauseMaster got this run..."

[@blancfayeochoa3777]

I don't even speedrun. I don't even play Trackmania. Somehow, I went and watched this video but can't help but feel moved. What an amazing dedication.

[@mahtalah524]

I have to say, before this video I didn't know a thing about TrackMania and I probably wont play but I was mesmerized by the recount you gave about this games history. Thank you! Amazingly well done

[@I_NEED_A_MEDIC_BAG1]

bro the intro when he said time made me think i accidentally opened quantum break LMFAO

[@c4ldas]

I’ve never heard of this game, but I was getting very excited for each step and the each new record. Really nice video, I’m not even into car games or speed running records, but this video was so well made that I simply couldn’t stop watching it.

[@hanatolelectronics2516]

when reading this when they explained the speed sliding i just thought why not do it on both corners and it turns out that was they way they beat the records... i mean it was kinda obvious so why tf didn't anyone try it and just say it's impossible. i

[@SyM-Prisoner627]

@@hanatolelectronics2516 Old habits die hard, they were stuck in their ways and ended up getting absolutely schooled.

[@cartlionapostle2ndofthetwe221]

@@hanatolelectronics2516 also, you need over 400 speed(as it states in the video) but you can barely get it for a tenth of a second with a near perfect start, thats why they didnt think about that

[@justincorbett8324]

Right makes me wanna start playing ND shooting for top 10 😂

[@justincorbett8324]

@@hanatolelectronics2516 same thing like ppl at jobs the ones that been there for 10+ years knows any and everything and any and everyway to do something then the new guy shows up says hey try this they laugh at ya tell u your new ND don't know wtf your talking bout then they're running to the boss like hey looks what I just found out 😂

[@Nicklander]

Let me tell you: The Trackmania Community is unlike any other community out there. If you haven't heard about Trackmania yet, the moment to join the Madness is right now.

[@mareksicinski3726]

why do you say so

[@Nicklander]

@@mareksicinski3726 I believe the game‘s E-Sport will get even bigger in the future. Right now it’s the best moment to join if you haven’t.

[@Rainbow-Dash]

As if a game needs esports to be enjoyable smh

[@Nicklander]

@@Rainbow-Dash I never said that? I think you misunderstood.

[@crushingvictory]

You mean join in the Mania, right?

[@Fluffintu]

man i dont even know this game but the stories you tell got me hyped.. great work and researching

[@itspizzatime8622]

i dont know how to say this without sounding super cheesy but the production quality on this video was really good. the music build up and the commentary got me excited for a game i didnt even know. it made me feel like i was informed on what times in the speed run were good so when someone got a 23:81 i was impressed. also the thumbnail and title was so good i had to click. again, this probably sounds super "over the top nice" but im just trying to give feedback. c:

[@trollsaft]

Trackmania Speedrunners are just another breed of human being. I really respect their insane ambition and skill.

[@karelpgbr]

Yeah, not only on TMNF, TM2020 is pretty insane too, especially the One-Up campaigns or as king, the Checkpointless, the sheer ingenuity of some of those runners is insane

[@posh1328]

Tm players have infinite dedication tbh

[@FalloutMuseum]

Just for that guy to have figured out the exact input sequence, when there are 65k possibilities per input already deserves some respect

[@FlatlandsSurvivor]

Indeed. TASers are a valuable part of speedrunning community, but lying about it being achived in real time is unacceptable

[@masquerade3852]

Spending even just 1000 hours(these guys likely have way more) is equivalent to 41 days and some change with no sleep, eating or drinking breaks on this single 23 second map. I dunno where they get that dedication from but youre bound to learn things ppl thought impossible

[@r00kiet80]

Jeah TAS speedrunning isnt a joke and theres also a cool and smart community behind it

[@mbwh1582]

For anyone wondering, the song that's being played from 20-24 minutes is: Scattle - Remorse (Carpenter Brut Remix) (2014)

[@Frommerman]

Idea for an April Fools video: A documentary-style video like this one showing multiple whole runs of a single track, but the video is 10 hours long because when you say "But then, Hefest got this run" you show an entire E05 Endurance run.

[@Naymy]

Before i even finish this video, I just want to say, I have never played this game, but I love it when someone comes along and finds something after 10+ years which opens the flood gates to new runners and speed optimisation. Just, hats off to this community and obviously Wirtual for bringing this to the attention of us mere casuals. Thank you.

[@anesthetized7053]

these guys really turned a bad situation into something beautiful and amazing. Although riolu, trabadia and the other cheaters may have damaged the community, they also helped bring the community together and i think ultimately we are stronger than ever. All the drama was worth it, now we have renewed motivation to beat records and the TAS community has been doing some really amazing stuff in the aftermath of the cheating scandal. I love this game and everyone in it.

[@thijmenromeijn3534]

@PrimePal good for him, he atleast admided it and he might still have a future in the game

[@jamesp5343]

still no response from riolu ! Its been almost 9 months now I believe

[@WolfyRagnarok]

Don't know anything about this game, but I love the Chrono Trigger music you put in the background. Edit: Wow, this video is excellent. Brilliantly put together, loved the entire presentation and story.

[@anthonyg6083]

love these videos. glad the community came together and crushed those cheaters records

[@JohnAndJohner]

Drarker really pulled the "I've never seen a 1.13" in TrackMania.

[@RealAnonymus]

Honestly I wasn't even a fan of this game before this video. But the tension and the suspense to see if they would beat the record had me cheering when Drarker got 0:23:31. Great vid man.👌👍🤜🤛

[@idontcare9041]

Wow that's amazing. I'm not following TM records but heard about the records being cheated and back then I was thinking the 83 was a simulated perfect run and no one would be able to come close. Big love to the TM community and GG to the ones that got these times.

[@darkos1012]

There is something more to this video that makes me happy besides the absolute BANGER atmosphere Wirtual is creating. I often times see leaderboards for times officially built into games, like Rayman Legends for example, and seeing times such as... well, 0:00:00 makes me absolutely fucking sick. It means no matter how much I or anyone else would try we'd never be able to get a pure leaderboards of actual runners. A community run leaderboards, where the community is the one whom judges and validates speedruns is such a lovely thing, since everyone will hold eachother accountable rather than hoping the developers do something about it. Wonderful job at everyone in the Trackmania community who upholds standards.

[@jfan4reva]

Community rules enforcement is always the best. In the early days of the internet, a local ISP set up a chat room for teens with a no profanity rule. It got broken every day. Nothing the ISP could do (kick out, ban, temporarily shut down the room.) could prevent it. At the same time my wife found a chat room with a no profanity rule, and it seldom had the rule broken, because it was member enforced. There were people who tried hard to get around it, but the members didn't hesitate to enforce the rule. If you have to complain to one 'cop' to get rules enforced, people will break the rules all the time. If everyone is a 'cop' rule breakers have no chance.

[@Ygerna]

There should be a community patch to account for thousands. It is so silly to only have 2 digits behind the comma in a game with this high velocities.

[@cubicinfinity2]

I was thinking about that too. Previous WR hunting was always based around .01 though and you could argue that it's resulted in faster improvements. Still, I wouldn't mind an update to counting milliseconds. Disclaimer: I'm not a TrackMania WR seeker.

[@tabnk2]

I think the best thing would be to simply display how many tics/frames passed since the start of the race

[@FlatlandsSurvivor]

@@tabnk2 a mod for Mario Kart Wii calculated record time to the millionths of a second. This was done by interpolating the frame before and after the completion, and comparing the velocity. This allows for arbitrarily small time units in a discreet time frame system.

[@cuetips-13th]

The ingame replay viewer iirc tracks time to 10000ths of a second, if the server can extract that time value somehow when the car hit's the finish then it's problem solved...

[@amp4105]

Not really, if that was the case no one would hold a world record for long at all

[@joshuapatrick682]

You won me over using Chrono trigger OST music for the background. It really is that good.

[@ohihassan693]

Man never thought a racing game can be this intense and so much fun to hear it's story.

[@DomikTrackmania]

A01 race is something different than all other tracks. It describes what perfection is. We humans may never max out a single track, but we will keep it as a piece of us.

[@TerroristA98]

Since it wasn't list in the description, the name of the first track is Schala's theme from Chrono Trigger Great video btw!

[@gamersresidence6040]

That Mass Effect - Starmap Soundtrack is hitting that perfect nostalgia spot. awesome choice!

[@Ramonatho]

Would you consider making a video about how these validation tools were developed and how the game devs responded to this higher level of interest in securing records?

[@megaderp1618]

I believe it's in his Riolu video where he talks about how the tools were made and what they do but I could be wrong about that

[@Ramonatho]

@@megaderp1618 for sure, I saw that, I just want to know more! For some reason I'm really interested in the tech behind it, and how Nadeo does their part if any in this system.

[@astra3582]

I just love how one record could motivated another record to broke, such a great rivalry

[@damocles7406]

Rollin, pointing at cheaters: "Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!"

[@Hate_Silvia]

Track mania speed runners are a different breed. Y’all are truly insane and truly legendary. This was like watching pure art and I loved every second ❤❤❤

[@janhoehne478]

0:40 can we talk about how norway easily wins against sweden lmao. that cant be a coincidence

[@heardlessmusic]

Oof

[@silverreaps6803]

Truly Poetic

[@lucyfrye5365]

I love how Wirtual reports on Trackmania and its cheating as an investigative reporter uncovering a polluting factory killing thousands. It has background, drama, victims and a lesson for us all. Well done

[@Break.]

only wirtual could make my jaw literally drop for a 0.02 second improvement

[@DimensionRIFT]

Nice video! Love the mass effect music :D.

[@LeCaNiVideos]

22:38 Literally shivered! Goosebumps! Also, I LOVE the new scrolling transitions! Such a step up, Wirt!