How Was GOLD Multiplied in Bellatrix’s Vault? (PLOT HOLE?) - Harry Potter Theory

[@DamonNomad82]

The book went into detail about the protective jinxes on the treasures in the Lestrange vault. The "Gemini Jinx" made any item that was touched spout multiple copies of itself, but the copies were worthless fakes. Thus, it was not violating the laws of magic that prevented gold from being magically increased, because the copies weren't real gold, merely decoys. In addition, there was also a burning spell on both the original treasures and the worthless copies (I don't recall the name of that spell, as it's been several years since I last read the books).

[@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii]

Plus it was shown House Elf magic didn't follow the same rules as Human magic, so by that logic Goblin magic would have different rules as well.

[@Weathernerd27]

The book clearly explained that gold had a leprechaun burning/duplicating curse on it and I'm pretty sure they said Gamps law didn't apply to metals. You can copy gold all you want but if wizard tried to pay with fake gold it would be like printing $100 bills on you're home computer, the authorities would immediately know it was fake.

[@techywill]

But could you still pay muggles with fake gold? Trade it for money, and buy real gold with that money... Muggle laundering 😂

[@joshuaott7783]

Right, but say the the Lestrange's had a curse on the vault. Say you have 100 dollars actually in there. If Opened by outsiders, then the gold does what Leperchaun gold does. But if it opened by the Lestrange's then you still have that intial $100 dollars waiting for you.

[@Weathernerd27]

@@techywill That might work on a small scale but Arthur Weasly's job was to catch wizards that bewitched objects to mess with muggles. If you did large scale Muggle laundering I think the ministry would be onto you.

[@Tyrosine0910]

@@joshuaott7783 What if both are present at the same time when it's opened?

[@WardenWolf]

@@Tyrosine0910 Most likely as long as a Lestrange was plresent it wouldn't activate.

[@sarahglover3286]

It doesn't break Gamps law as its fake gold, its no different to the leprechaun gold! I also believe it would disappear later so when Bellatrix returned to check on her vault later she would only see one of each item so she could see what was missing! The more interesting question about Gamps law is the quote you used, Hermione said you can duplicate food, so when they stole food from muggle shops why didn't they duplicate that and eat that for days?

[@amberbanuelos7053]

That’s the same question I’ve asked myself since my first reading of Deathly Hallows. If they found some food that wasn’t moldy and awful that Ron could stomach (as he seemed to be the pickiest about the food), why not just duplicate it? Even if it’s not as tasty or lost some nutritional value, at least it’s something in their stomachs, and that’s got to be better than no food at all.

[@Weathernerd27]

The book never said why you couldn't duplicated food but I'm a science nerd and it kind of makes sense to me. It would be hard to duplicate a steak or salad because these foods contain DNA and animal/plant cells. Animal/plant cells are complex they contain many tiny substructures and thousand maybe a few million genes. Copying something as complex as a animal/plant cell would take god like powers. It would be much easier to duplicate crackers because they are just a mixture of a few different chemicals.

[@raymondben36466]

Because with food, part of Gamp's law, you can't conjure something if you don't know where it is. For example, at the first day of school feast, we thought Dumbledore waved his hands and food appeared, when in actuality, he knew the food was in the kitchens below the Great Hall. So all he did was summon it from where he knew it was. I think that Hermione was trying to explain that to Ron, but she was cut off.

[@piusdoe8984]

Fake gold. It would disappear. Everything you're saying is head canon instead of fact isn't it?

[@sarahglover3286]

@@piusdoe8984 Partly its what he said in the video, but yes the rest is logic! If we assume that within a few hours of the Trio making their escape the real Bellatrix would have been called to Gringotts to check what they stole, a logical conclusion as we are aware that Voldemort knew fairly quickly, how on Earth would she know they stole the cup if there's a million duplicate ones there!

[@koii55]

Gamp’s law seems less grounded in the actual logic of the world than an easy way for Rowling not to break her own worldbuilding

[@Weathernerd27]

Good books don't fully explain everything they leave alot to the readers imagination and interpretation and leave room for debate.

[@koii55]

@@Weathernerd27 Good, well thought out writing would allow for these laws of magic to be reasoned to through the internal logic of the world the author built. Gamp’s law is a cop out due to lack of foresight.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

@@koii55 It's not even a well thought out cop out honestly. So they CAN duplicate silver, diamonds, platinum, cars, fabrics, crude oil. There would never be any poor wizards or witches. Period lol. Food is also highly subjective. What's food for one creature is NOT food for another so.....where do the limits lie on food? Can I duplicate apple trees(not food) and have them grow me apples in time? This is why magic is always problematic in story telling. It sets off a chain reaction of plot holes.

[@AustynSN]

I've always wondered how Harry, Ron, and Hermione managed to go back to the bank as regular bank customers. On one hand, that would have been _very_ awkward. Like "Hey, how's it going? Yeah, we're back, but we're not going to rob you and cause millions of galleons in damage this time. What? Your entire senior management staff was murdered because of that? No biggie. We took down the guy who did it."

[@ThePrincessSabrina]

That famous poem of warning was the first thing I memorized in the series 7:15

[@TnT_F0X]

I always thought it was making leprechaun gold copies... in other words, gold that disappears after a time. That way the trap would work... but not duplicate gold.

[@Khantia]

"You can increase the quantity if you've already got some"... doesn't this imply, that multiplication IS possible? And what if wizards suddenly decide the change their currency from gold to cash? Will they suddenly be able to multiply gold, or will they no longer be able to do so for the new money?

[@powertomato]

You can answer that question by economical principles. If you can multiply something of value endlessly, then it becomes worthless very quickly. Conversely if you wanted to create a currency, you'd need something that is not multiplicable. By extrapolating on that, the wizards must have chosen gold as their currency exactly because it cannot be multiplied. Had they chosen anything else, it would be worthless. Spinning it even further, they could indeed create cash, by adding a copy protection, like waving a symbol with thread of gold, which cannot be multiplied. But we created cash because it is easier to handle than coins. If you have a magical wallet to eliminate weight, that's pretty much a non issue.

[@Khantia]

@@powertomato it still doesn't make that much sense... Can you create or multiply useful items, that aren't necessarily gold? A Nimbus 2000 comes to mind, but smaller things, such as time turners may be more convenient for this example. If yes, then wizard economy still goes down the drain. If not, then what can be created or multiplied suddenly becomes EXTREMELY LIMITED, as lots of things can be at least somewhat useful. Personally, for the book I'm writing, I'm just letting anything (including food) be created by magic, and there is no money... for one of the kingdoms that is. For another one - a certain group has a monopoly over magic (and aren't really benevolent with it), so people are still using money :P

[@Princess_Celestia_]

1.) No. Gold can't be duplicated even if you already had some. 2.) Cash can be duplicated but doing so makes it worthless. This is why goverments can't just print money whenever they need it. History shows what that is, every country that tried doing just that found their money worthless. 3.) Duplicating items that aren't gold will effect their value due to the laws of Supply and Demand. Things are only ever valuable because there is a high demand for them but a low supply. Increase the supply, lessen the demand, the value drops. If this wasn't the case then witches and wizards wouldn't need money at all as they could just poof what they needed into existence and if they can do that, there's no need to work. Why work doing something for someone else when your every need and want is already met? As for your own book... its your story, it doesn't need the rules and laws of other fictional works. But if you want it to be a good story, then you need to establish some rules or laws like things conjured with magic can only exist for a limited time before they either vanish or revert back to their original form(s) so as not to flood the economy of that kingdom with worthless stuff.

[@EC-dz4bq]

@@Princess_Celestia_ Uh the U.S does print money whenever they need it... It has zero backing (no gold backing). They don't even need to print it now... it's all done digitally at the banks. They can make money up 10000% google it.

[@RayAkuma]

"You can't conjure food out of thin air, you can summon it if you know where it is" Me, summoning money from gringots:

[@Mizai]

i loved the duplication schene

[@squirrely260]

There’s an EXTRA channel?! Oh my how happy I am right now 🥲 I’m gonna sleep well tonight listening to all these videos

[@TheSonofruss]

It is a hex that duplicates the contents of the vault

[@Mr.supergamer20]

I don't think it was confirmed that it was part of Gamp's law though? Wasn't it just another one of your amazing theories? Does that mean this is a theory on a theory? Theory-ception? Lol. Great vid Maybe, this may be stupid, gold isn't as rare in the wizarding world. You obviously couldn't duplicate money, that would be forgery. But, I mean, Galleons are described as massive in Goblet of Fire, " ...I had two try to pay me in gold coins the size of hubcaps..." This may have been the man exaggerating, but still, it's worth something. Just some thoughts though. If you go back to medieval Europe, you'd find some countries with gold and silver coins. But those were small. Also in Order of th Phoenix, Hermione made this DA galleons, they had to be big enough to put the message on. But, well, that's just a theory.

[@banthatracks_gaffisticks]

Okay. So does the duplicate gold burn also or just the authentic gold. If not that would mean only the authentic gold will duplicate but not the false gold.

[@Bluefoot65]

as all banks things like interest and deposits would be added to vaults by goblins removing funds would be handled in a similar way

[@makavoxel]

Couldn't a witch or wizard duplicate something like an ornate chair and then start up a chair selling business and have ZERO overhead and only pure profit? Anything can be turned into money if someone wants to buy it. Right?

[@JörgNienhaus-t6j]

Inflation must be crazy in the wizarding world

[@alexlarson5910]

Thiefs downfall, it desspells/would destroy the duplicates.

[@alexlarson5910]

For an explanation of this, the duplicates are merely illusions, not physical objects or copies if you hit a duplicate with a dispelling charm it would just vanish as would any other type of illusion when hit with a dispelling charm.

[@barneystinski2518]

Actually in tcos Prof. Mc gonnagalk contours sandwirches and pumpkin juice out of nowhere. That glues against the law

[@Squeeple.]

2:45 Leprechaun gold? 3:09

[@Harry-Hartmann]

A Very Good Video 👍🏻

[@techywill]

But could a wizard duplicate building materials, and make a mansion? Couldn't the Weasley family have done that with a single brick and a single 2x4? I am still curious if fake gold could be given to muggles or if they would also realize it was fake. Trade fake gold for real Muggle cash, turn around and buy valuables such as real gold.

[@grec.]

Goblings have a superior magical Powers than those of the wizards, and yet they recent wizards for not teaching them the art of wielding magic through a wand, when they have the amazing magical ability to produce wandless magic and craft remarcable magical objects such as metals like gold (for galleons) and the silver for the Sword of Gryffindor. I mean...

[@xingyang101]

What's the sixth proposed exception to Gamp's law that you mentioned?

[@MrScoffins]

So... if not made from gold, what are the duplicates made from?

[@kennethnash598]

Accio, Harry's gold.

[@OublietteTight]

Excellent information. Thank you.

[@tafrog5552]

who stated the multyple fakes produced by the gemini curse did not have a time self deletion part to the curse

[@JörgNienhaus-t6j]

If food can be multiplicated but not by children who still have the track on them isn’t the Hogwarts Express basically a huge profit organisation that profits of children being outlawed (and maybe inable) to multiplication theoretically multiplicatable things. Which just forces them to buy more if they want more even though that could be prevented by magic. Is the ministry maybe even involved???? Questions over questions. I recognise a messed up business concept if I see one 😂

[@peringmar8790]

The food thing always confused me for example during The first task in book 4 cedric transforms a rock into a dog. Cant they just transform a rock into a pig and slaughter it for food? Also even if gold/metals cant be duplicated why not just do it with wood/plastic/marble or anything that can be duplicated and sell it to muggles then convert it to gold at gringotts like hermionies parents does with muggle money?

[@mecahhannah]

Awesome as always thanks ❤

[@SpaceViking2000]

Oh yeah. I was in love with this evil woman… turns out I still am (finally decided to stop lying to the homies and actually read the books lol)

[@Ambugginfly]

Magic.

[@76tennboy]

So clearly, you duplicate items that are not gold, but that are currently valuable and then sell them. Yes, I do know your screwing with the supply and demand and eventually they won’t be worth what they were originally, but once you flood the market that’s not your problem

[@grokeffer6226]

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