How Were The Hadith Collected and Written Down? | Part 3 | Dr. Shabir Ally

[@sandralazarus7338]

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[@lesoul4567]

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[@quotablequotes1]

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[@ahmfarooq1823]

Very informative discussion. God says that Quran is the best Hadith (ref. Quran 39:23). Unfortunately the average Muslims don’t read the Quran with understanding. That’s the most important problem.

[@thelegando4281]

Also, there's a difference between a messenger and a prophet

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

Qur'anist: Follow the Qur'an only Me: The Qur'an says follow prophet Muhammad pbuh. Qur'anist: Not that part!!!

[@ahmfarooq1823]

@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Yes. Follow the Prophet (pbuh) not Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim or others. What did the Prophet (pbuh) followed? He was instructed to follow the Quran and the rituals of ‘millate Ibrahim’(Quran 16:123).

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

@@ahmfarooq1823 Okay let me ask you then. Is the issue that you have with following the Rasuul SAS that you don't trust the people narrating his words or that you truly believe that he has no authority to dictate anything not explicitly stated in the Qur'an? If you're issue is with the people narrating his words then how come you trust them when they narrate the Qur'an? It's truly hypocritical to accept their narration and compilation of the Qur'an but distrust them with the Hadith. If it's with the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم himself then why do you trust him when he's saying he's a prophet of God?

[@thelegando4281]

@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 firstly, it's say follow the messanger not prophet, and the prophet muhammad wrote the quran himself with the help of Allah proof from surah Al Alaq and Al Qalam

[@canfly737]

Always a pleasure learning from you, thank you so much.

[@thetruth27786]

Always informative❤ may Allah swt open our path to knowledge

[@dchoudhury1750]

I am absolutely loving this; it's so informative and easy to understand, and it makes so much sense. SubhanAllah.

[@muktarabdulrauf1534]

From NIGERIA the giant of Africa. Sheikh Dr Shabir Ally is always my scholar. I love watching his utterances and narrations most especially when he is debating. May ALLAH protect and preserve you for the progress of the Religion and the betterment of the MUSLIM UMMAH. I maintain my status as a trainee-teacher with the name ABDULRAUF MUKTAR AL'ANSARIY.

[@ZuluWarrior3]

Stop trying to islamays africa

[@muktarabdulrauf1534]

@@ZuluWarrior3 if we did not islamays it, then what are we going to do?

[@ZuluWarrior3]

@@muktarabdulrauf1534 praise your culture and stop killing your fallow africans in the name of 7th century dessert moon god called al-lah the real name is lah not allah the first (al) is (the) so the name is lah (bismi-lah,alhamdu li lah.etc)

[@mazeerahamed1956]

Something to ponder over. Does obey the messenger mean follow narrations compiled by someone else a few hundred years after the prophets death? Or does it mean follow the Quranic message?

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

Your argument why the Hadith shouldn't be followed can be applied to the Qur'an. So either your argument is flawed or you should stop following the Qur'an too.

[@mazeerahamed1956]

@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Does obey the messenger mean follow narrations compiled by someone else a few hundred years after the prophets death? Or does it mean follow the Quranic message?

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

@@mazeerahamed1956 you've made a false dichotomy between the Qur'an message and the prophet's commands. Why's your assumption that the Hadith is different from the Qur'an message?

[@mazeerahamed1956]

@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 The question is whether وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ 'Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger' is to obey the six Persian Sia Sittah Hadith books? Where is the proof? هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ - "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful" (Quran 2:111). Find out just one single verse in the Quran, by which you can provide evidence that God tells us to follow any other book/s other than the Quran. Find out any verse that clearly tells us to follow the library of voluminous books, those of which were written by some six Persian men at least after 230 years of the death of the Prophet of God. Find out in the Quran, whether God gave any human any authority to make or author any book to assist HIS Book in the name of HIS Prophet’s sunnah and hadith? The truth is neither God, nor did HIS Messenger authorise to create those six sia-sittah hadith books to place beside the Book of God.

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

@@mazeerahamed1956 Again your all your questions can be applied word for word against the Qu'ran. Did Allah say to follow the Qur'an or a book compiled by Abu Bakr after Prophet Muhammad's PBUH death? Find me a single verse that says the Qur'an that Abu Bakr/Uthman compiled after the death of Prophet Muhammad PBUH is the one we should follow. etc etc. Your argument clearly falls apart when you apply that same standard to the Qur'an. So either your standard is flawed or following the Qur'an is spurious. I haven't even introduced the conundrum for Quranists which is the Qiraa'at. Without the Sunnah the Qiraa'at become clear proof that Qu'ran isn't perfectly perserved. Furthermore, your entire comment shows a disturbing lack of knowledge regarding the hadith. Not surprising as you're a fan of Shabir who's quite ignorant in that matter himself. The fact that you both think Hadith were only compiled/written down 200 years after the death of the prophet and the six books of Hadith are the earliest written compilations of Hadith shows how ignorant you both are. Seriously both you and the "Dr" should do a basic course on Hadith. You would benefit greatly.

[@Omar1066]

Great video and series.

[@info786]

Correction: Quran never states "obet the prophet", it says "obey the messenger".

[@zunaidkajee4540]

but isn't "obeying the messenger, obeying the Phrophet" ? Becuase the messenger is the Phrophet?

[@I-AM-Yousuf]

MashAllah JazakAllah very good and informative episode

[@walkingwith_dinosaurs]

3:29 haha id like to meet that confident badass woman someday inshallah 😂 I'm sure the Prophet smiled at her answer😄

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[@specialagentorange4329]

So if god asks you on judgement day if the quran was sufficient enough for you, are you going to say "yes" or "no"?

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

I'll say "Oh Allah I tried to follow the example and commands of the Messenger you sent to us, as you've commanded us in the Qur'an"

[@user-k229]

I have waited decades to finally hear this side of things!! A M A Z I N G. May Allah reward you both for bringing this to the attention of the Ummah. The Quran calls Itself the BEST HADITH, A BOOK FULLY CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF. In regards to the verses " obey Allah, obey the Rasool." PLEASE NOTE THE WORD RASOOL and NOT the word " Muhammed." There is a vast difference in inference between the two i e RASOOL OR MUHAMMED. Allah never ever says obey Muhammed. It is the Messenger Delivering the Sublime Message from Allah that we are to accept and follow.

[@Muslimah1987]

And who was the messenger if not Muhammed (peace & blessings upon him and his progeny)??? Is there a part of this that I'm missing?!

[@user-k229]

@@Muslimah1987 Salams sister. Yes, you are missing the point. The Quran represents Thee Pinnacle of Arabic language. There are 4 levels of Arabic. Spoken, written, classical written and then at the peak, QURANIC ARABIC. The Quran is the Miracle that Prophet Muhammed brought via Jabreel. Each word of the Quran has been chosen by Allah swt. We would say that each word has been chosen carefully for our understanding, a precise understanding. However, sadly when we read the Quran we are told by Allah swt to read it, without any preconceived ideas, but we don't! We keep in mind what our parents and mullahs have told us or taught us. Linguistically the choice by Allah to use the word Messenger, as opposed to Muhammed is not a trivial thing! The difference is actually very, very profound. But, now as Sunni Muslim, they cannot discern the difference. An example: I send my friend Amer to deliver a message to you. In the message I say to listen to everything that Amer tells you. On the other hand I send my friend Amer to deliver a message but I stress that it is important to understand the message! Analysis: Do you now listen to everything Amer tells you and lose sight of the message OR do you follow the message?? The Quran, if one reads it in their mother tongue CLEARLY Says That Muhammed s.a.w is no more than a Messenger. Also that the task of the Messenger is to merely Deliver the Message. The Quran even goes as far as to say that his task was not even to explain the Quran!! Also " Woe unto those who take hadith other than the Hadith of Allah." " If the Prophet were to invent a saying in Our name, we would rip out his very life line ( aorta). Dear sister, please read the Quran for yourself. Ponder ( Taddabur) over it and realise that the words have been chosen carefully. JZK

[@Downlead]

@@user-k229 Then, please give me another faith better than Islam, Sir.

[@I-AM-Yousuf]

My analysis first follow the Quran if something was not explained then go to hadith, and avoid interpreting verses that are complicated and the verses that we are not going to be asked by Allah SWT on the judgement day, like the verses of the creation.

[@DonDiiiii]

How do we Ask Questions to you? Any Email ids?

[@sumitomoO0O]

I have asked this Q many times but nobody answered. So, 250 years later, Bukhari visits a village and some guy tells him that he heard from X1, who heard from X2, who heard from X3,..., who heard from X8 that Prophet said such and such and X8 heard from Prophet. All these X1,..,X8 already dead maybe 200 years ago. . How did Bukhari verify all of X1,..,X8 told the truth accurately? How did he verify the context Prophet said the alleged statement, memory, honesty of people who died 200 years ago? How can muslims believe that Bukhari is authentic? Some imam said that Bukhari was talking to Jinn that's how he verified his sahih collection, some say that Bukhari talked to Prophet in his dreams etc.

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

It's understandable that you have that question still after watching this video. Since Shabir never talks about it. You can find the answer to your question in a book "Studies in early Hadith literature" by the an actual Hadith scholar Muhammad Mustafa Azami rahmatullahi alayhi. You can find a free pdf online easily. You'll learn more about Hadith in a few pages of that book than this entire yt channel.

[@I-AM-Yousuf]

The people who Imam Bukhari were narrating from, were chosen according to their piety and closeness to prophet SAS, you can study about this. Then you will know.

[@peterhwang352]

Dr. Ally is the most honest imam I know. At least he does not claim perfect preservation for all the hadith chains of narration. I think he at least admits that the gospels are closer to Jesus than the hadith are to Muhammad.

[@I-AM-Yousuf]

Where did you hear him saying this, and which gospel of the 70 ones

[@Samreyna1]

Are they reliable?

[@laylaali5977]

Excellent information

[@makhanikuan]

He is a voice of reason whom the mullahs will call misguided

[@MRCroosingTootH]

Wait the prophet gave an instruction in writing to Ali? As in he wrote it himself or he has it written from the companions and given to Ali? Cause I am pretty sure the prophet couldn’t write on his own?

[@lamintouray7262]

Quran says Obey Allah and obeys his messanger, not a prophet for the clarification

[@lamintouray7262]

Indeed, Dr. Shabir Ally is peaceful, someone

[@Great_Reads]

This is fantastic. Really appreciate this new series. I have read in some places that the Qur'an itself warned against relying on any hadith other than the Qur'an itself.. it would be great if you could delve deeper into the Quranic text Vs the dangers of relying on hadith. Also, if something is not mentioned in the Qur'an (such as covering women's hair), but is mentioned in later hadith, will it be farz or sunnah?

[@sumitomoO0O]

Quran gives the principles, Prophet showed how those principles can be applied to life in year "600" in "Saudi Arabia". The application of a principle depends on geography and time. Very simple example is about Zakah. According to hadith any muslim who owns 40 goats have nisab amount of wealth which would qualify him as rich so 1 goat has to be given as zakah. IN gold it is 87grams of gold. But Quran says in 2/219: “And they ask you what they should spend. Say, ‘The excess (beyond needs)." If you obey hadith and live in USA and all your wealth is $6000 then you have to pay zakah. $6000 is barely 2 months rent and not something that logically makes you rich in USA. But $6000 in a village in Afghanistan may very well qualify you as rich. Many so called muslims own real estate worth $billions but those muslims wouldn't pay zakah because according to hadith Prophet didn't consider real estate as nisab eligible wealth. Any if you ask those muslim billionaires they are merely following the hadith. Yet if a villager has 80 goats as his total wealth, 2 of the goats have to be given up as zakah. This clear contradiction can only be resolved when you follow Quran, because Quran says "spend from your excess wealth".

[@I-AM-Yousuf]

Quran clearly tells women to cover their chest and body. I think you did not read it

[@rochelbey2025]

Matthew and John are not the authors....

[@matthoffman6962]

I find it’s not the “authentic ness” about the Hadith it’s what some of them entail. Example, some are spiritual clearly because it’s impossible to have this in the real world, some are rather discriminatory towards women, some of these seem like a lot of person opinions and beliefs as they contradict or don’t expand on the Quran. Thoughts?

[@isimfemile9185]

On the verse obey Allah, obey messenger and those who have authority among you, who are those who have authority? Are they religious scholars or khalifs or governors etc?

[@laylaali5977]

The Quran doesn’t say obey those who have authority over you this is something inserted in the Quran by Wahhabis

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

Wow are you causally claiming someone added a verse to the Qur'an 1300 years after its revelation? Please don't hold back. Share your information.

[@laylaali5977]

@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 I am not claiming it’s factual it’s added by Saudi authorities do your homework

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

@@laylaali5977 cool story bro 👍

[@isimfemile9185]

@@laylaali5977 do you have a copy of Quran before Saud family became king that does not have that verse to support your claim?

[@shankhan-yg1tt]

So let me get this straight. We're relying on people who had their own beliefs and agendas to complie hadith without any malicious intent and we're then trusting hundreds of other people to convey it to us without any change😂

[@ygcg8696]

Which are the WEAK Hadiths ? How many are there in total? 🤔

[@fatipahad]

Obey the messenger not prophet means to obey the message revealed which is the Quran

[@burakcoskun38]

U know exactly what is meant don't cope. The prophet is also the messenger and vice versa

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

You misquoted the Sahabiya Barira Ra. She didn't say " I don't need your opinion" as you claimed, she said "i have no need for him ( her ex-husband)". It's egregious slander to misrepresent the companion's speech to prophet Muhammad pbuh like that. The Hadith you mentioned about the prophet Muhammad pbuh interceding on behalf of the divorced husband clearly shows that he wasn't commanding the woman to return. Bukhari 5283. The Prophet (ﷺ) then said to Barira, "Why don't you return to him?" She said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Do you order me to do so?" He said, "No, I only intercede for him." She said, "I am not in need of him." It's shocking you think Sahabas didn't respect the prophet Muhammad pbuh as much as later people. The companions had more respect for the prophet Muhammad pbuh than anyone " `Urwa then started looking at the Companions of the Prophet. By Allah, whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) spat, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e. the Prophet's companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them they would carry his orders immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water; and when they spoke to him, they would lower their voices and would not look at his face constantly out of respect. `Urwa returned to his people and said, "O people! By Allah, I have been to the kings and to Caesar, Khosrau and An- Najashi, yet I have never seen any of them respected by his courtiers as much as Muhammad is respected by his companions." Bukhari 2731 How's this disputed when they believed he was the messenger of Allah. They risked everything they had to support him and loved him more than they loved themselves and families.

[@FawadBilgrami]

Its shocking. There is also a lot of examples that the Hadith were recorded even in the time of the Prophet (PBUH). He was not accessible to everyone, in fact there are tabayeens even at the time of Prophet (PBUH). People should not blindly believe anyone. This is what confuses people.

[@DrAzeemnephrologist]

Always mention prophet muhammed peace and blessings of Allah be upon him…

[@jameelsaazer]

Dr Shabeer but like Qur'an, hadith was also written, perhaps in a disorganised form if not compiled, during the time of prophet Muhammad PBUH or immediately after his death. If this is true then, hadith is also reliable. Am I wrong?

[@sumitomoO0O]

Only a handful hadith was written during time of Prophet, not volumes of books. It is hadith-worshippers claim that hadiths were also written during Prophet's life time. If that were the case, Abubakar, Omar, Ali etc would have asked that hadiths be compiled just like Quran compiled, but nobody compiled hadiths much later, 250 years later in case of Bukhari. It looks like up until Bukhari and the likes, muslims shunned away from compiling hadiths because Prophet himself prohibited anything written from Him except Quran

[@Natalie-fj7fs]

Is the Quran that we have today in the exact same order that it was revealed and who are the people that wrote it?

[@mymuslimthoughts6903]

yes

[@I-AM-Yousuf]

Quran is the exact same word revealed by Allah SWT and reached to us. And what do u mean by order, by time??? Some verses were revealed before of other while placed after some verses in the Quran in an accordingly manner.

[@Conscious_and_Inspired]

Obey Rasul. Not obey Prophet. Qur'an says so.

[@peterhwang352]

The life of Jesus and his prophetic message come together in the gospel accounts. That the Quran is separated from the hadith by 200+ years strains credulity. Isn't it obvious that the author of the Quran is not really the Muhammad described by the hadith?

[@burakcoskun38]

the writing of the hadiths didn't transpire 200 years after the prophets death. They were already documented. The false claim that they were written down centuries after his passing r just that, false claims of islamophobes like u. Especially considering that a handful of the sahaba were poets and would frequently write about the prophet. Notable scholars of that time like muslim and bukhari noticed the threat of Hadith fabrications and fabricators so in response to this they took upon themselves the task of gathering and scrutinizing authentic and genuine narrations. Ensuring the prophets teachings. Each of them took years of their times for the sake of Islam. And they spent hours separating the 1000s of false claims from the genuine claims

[@humayungul2120]

Didn’t this happen that companions started writing ahadith in the Prophet’s lifetime like Abu Hurayra did? On one occasion a companion said that he used to write whatever Prophet said and people stopped him saying that Prophet is a human and might say something in anger. But Prophet told him to continue writing.

[@Kzam19-ux8wg]

But why did abu bkr ra burnt all the 500 written ahadith despite the hadith you mentioned above that it was ordered to be written. Furthermore, umar, uthman and ali ra did not compiled any written ahadith, correct me if im wrong. Another issue is if the ahadith is so important to the level of making it a parallel divine revelation to the Quran, why didnt the first 4 caliphs compiled it in writing similar to the Quran?

[@humayungul2120]

@@Kzam19-ux8wg All 500?

[@Kzam19-ux8wg]

@@humayungul2120…yes if im not mistaken

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

You're mistaken. Abu Bakr didn't burn Hadith. That's straight up fabrication. Give an authentic source of your claim.

[@Kzam19-ux8wg]

@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411ok then so where are the ahadith compiled by abu bkr ra or the other righly guided caliphs?

[@Dante3X]

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[@fatipahad]

Chinese Whisperer. The story never remains the same

[@mariadamedecoeur]

There's only one real prophet to follow in Islam, let's not do the se as the Paulists and others in the Christians religion please...

[@musarratchowdhury3578]

1st

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Congratulations😼👍

[@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411]

Shabir you are fighting against the words of Prophet Muhammad pbuh but you accept the Qur'an revealed to him? Clearly the aim of this video is to throw doubt on the reliability of the Hadith we have today. You've made several arguments to this point: Claiming that the narrators of Hadith had an agenda they intended to propagate, claiming remembering the words of Prophet Muhammad PBUH was not a realistic act, using abrogation in Hadith is a sign of its doubtfulness, you even claim that it wasn't the intent of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH to have his words compiled into volumes. None of those arguments are backed by anything. Just your opinion. Curious you put all that effort into a video to demolish the reliability of Hadith without actually discussing the methods of its remittance. It shows that you are aware the strength that Hadith is based on why you would avoid talking about it. First century manuscripts, evidence that companions wrote Hadith during the Prophet's PBUH lifetime, the companions teaching and learning the hadith, the oral tradition of Hadith, The isnad, The matn, ilm ar-rijal, the multitudes of pious, scrupulous and critical Imams, narrators and scholars of Hadith, the entirety of the Ummah agreeing that Sunnah is a main source of Islam alongside the Qur'an. Extremely sloppy talk for a PhD holder. You don't give citation or sources for anything you say. You don't even stick to the topic of "How was the Hadith compiled". You just go on with your opinions and those of conspiracy theory missionaries/orientalists (Those who have alternative histories for Islam) you don't even dare name. And are factually wrong on many occasions.

[@FawadBilgrami]

Yes it is shocking. I thought he was better than this. There is a recent rise of such scholars, even Ghamidi is the same. Its funny to know how they come about after 1400 years of people not objecting as such as they do now. Astaghfirullah.There is also a lot of examples that the Hadith were recorded even in the time of the Prophet (PBUH). He was not accessible to everyone, in fact there are Tabayeens even at the time of Prophet (PBUH).

[@AnasoReliableNews]

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