How Will I Get This Seized Impeller Shaft Off?

How Will I Get This Seized Impeller Shaft Off?
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[@MyDuckfoot]

Once red hot, quench it with ice water. Works every time . The heat expanded the metal, and then the cold shrinks it, breaking the bond of the rust

[@fadetounforgiven]

But it might change the metal as if you were forging it, changing its properties, I think, or wouldn't it? Which may be irrelevant or may not.

[@ftowles2001]

Looks like you to remember Taryls videos :)

[@kenjuicekrajewski9577]

Correct easiest way done on my bikes and sleds

[@patrickpoulard24]

​@@fadetounforgivenIt won't change the metal at all. It is completely harmless to the metal.

[@juslitor]

Itll harden the metal if its red hot like in the vid@@patrickpoulard24

[@Spiritof_76]

Bless you for repairing this old crap. I hate to give up on a repair. Thanks for the videos that help the rest of us to keep these old machines working.

[@Kyle-bb9zp]

Dam right never give up on the old engines built well last 100 years

[@pjb5262]

I had a similar experience with a siezed shaft and pulley. Used an air impact hammer - less mushrooming of shaft and more localized impact. Just an FYI.

[@claytonlemieux4090]

I agree with the last post that is how you free something stuck

[@cocolopo691]

From Argentina, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have learned a lot from your videos and I will continue to truly learn. Thank you very much.

[@jakeschisler7525]

50 years ago I bought an acetylene torch outfit from a guy who needed money. This outfit had numerous tips and rose buds it was made by Victor, plus the gauges. Like a dumbing i sold it to buy something else. Wish I had it now

[@canoetipper019]

Sometimes drilling a hole into/through the shaft then heating it and letting it cool will allow the shaft to shrink enough to come out too. Kind of like welding on an internal bearing race to shrink it. Love the tenacity you showed in getting that shaft out. Cheers from NB Hey, was that a Uniweld torch?

[@mattie3595]

Love the old turkey pan. Very seasonal!

[@mikelaporte9030]

Once heated if you use candle was a touch it to the shaft the wax cools and lubricates the shaft. I used this all the time good for pipe pugs even bolt threads

[@Mechanicturfgear]

Beating on a shaft to hard just swells it tighter . Press if you have one . Or lots of heat . Sometimes both .

[@maitajack]

Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année. Santé, santé et santé. Joyeuses Fêtes à vous et votre épouse.🎉🎉🎉

[@gordbaker896]

Wishing you a Healthy and Happy Christmas Don.

[@gregorymacneil2836]

Great Video - You almost need a hydraulic press for that level of stubbornness. Great Video. I wish you and your family a safe and joyful Holiday Season!

[@Look_What_You_Did]

You mean the correct tool for the job? Who would ever have thought that peening the shaft end would make it a bitch to remove...

[@gregorymacneil2836]

@@Look_What_You_Did As you have already shown on another video - snowblower wheel rims can seize onto drive shafts - after that video I have made pulling the wheel off and applying grease a yearly maintence ritual.

[@jamesc9327]

Another awesome video from Dony, who makes the the toughest repairs on extremely difficult removal of a snowblower shaft much easier with all the right equipment. It certainly looked like a workout Dony. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to Dony and family. 🎄🎁🎄🎁

[@billdornan4379]

Kindest regards to you and your family this Christmas. Sunshine Coast,BC 🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@fasteddie9475]

Great job Don, I also heat up with a torch and then spray lightly with water, the steam loosens corrosion inside shaft and hardens the shaft so it win't mushroom out while pounding as heating anneals shaft, thx for posting and keep up the great videos.

[@aussiehardwood6196]

Plenty of armchair advice in the comments. He used his method, stelling it up as he met resistance untill the job was done & success rained down. Done still had a few more tricks up his sleeve but saved them for a future video. A win is a win

[@gordbaker896]

Well done Dony. Do you ever use the cold quench process after heating. Hydraulic press?

[@JeffinTD]

Nice job. A lot of the time I find quenching with water helpful, and sometimes a bunch of rapid small blows from an air hammer is more effective than big hits with a big hammer.

[@onemechca]

There is always one machine that will get ya. That's the way it goes, Thanks for your video's bud. Wishing you, your family and viewers a Merry Christmas. Looking forward to the new year for more video's .

[@toddwatzka960]

When it’s cherry red, try quenching it with cold water. It has worked for me in the past. Wort a try

[@littlepaddy7444]

Good job Don, Thanks. Merry Christmas.

[@barnetts9812]

If it's not a rush job, or too severe, I like to soak seized parts in diesel. But this is your way of life and have many repairs to do, time is money.

[@Crappie_Hunter_Seeker]

Wow ! Good job Dony !

[@h2000l]

Hi, you may have drilled the center of the shaft and then cool it down with water. The dilation difference between the shaft and the impeller would have been increased.

[@donyboy73]

I'll try that!

[@roberthamilton9123]

I hope you have a merry Christmas 🎄 & a happy new year 🎆 Don😀😀

[@steveriggenbach90]

Great info as always. Have a great Christmas

[@warrenvalentino5763]

Great video! WOW! on the shaft not wanting to come out.

[@TOWNCARBUBBA87]

Good job brother 👍Happy Holidays to you and your family

[@hessuhopolainen]

I gave up with mine. Plan was to remove impeller and hammer it straight and put back together. Mission failed but blower works anyway. Perhaps when replacing bearing next time I try harder.

[@phillyfathead]

Brutal!!! Good job!

[@user-wu7sn7ml7v]

I would drill both ends of the shaft. Tap one side and put a puller on the bolt.😂😂😂. Mushroom rivets are counter productive❤

[@roccozarcone4393]

Great job Donnie you did it all right good mechanic is in your head😊

[@100vg]

Congratulations in winning the Battle. Great job, Don. I wonder if you'll repaint it, too, for looks if not to help prevent rust.

[@jamesravnikar5622]

Try using a candle touch it on the shaft when it's hot and it sucks in. I do it for break lines and it works great

[@stephenzies8867]

A Torch Is A Mechanic's Best Friend. I've Been An Auto Mechanic Since 1973. My Second Best Friend Is My 25 Ton USA Made Hydraulic Press That I Have Over 40 Years.

[@threeputtpar6927]

After I cut the shaft flush with the impeller, I drill a dimple in each end and use an air hammer with a 3/8" tip instead of manual linear impacts.

[@donyboy73]

I'll try that!

[@regsparkes6507]

Lots of heat and careful drifting. A few heat/cool cycles between hammer and drift work, always worked for me in my shop.

[@Bostonrules]

Heat and quench and a ton of patience

[@dmaverick2396]

Excellent sir…. I use map torch and melt a candle into the bolt … Has always worked so far.

[@BobE.Dancho]

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[@brucemacdonald4672]

That was tight!

[@ecttreker9816]

Great perseverance on that one. Needless to say though, you got the shaft.👍👍

[@jamesyee4143]

Good job thanks!😊

[@rverro8478]

I always had great successes, with quenching red hot metal with water, or penetrating oil. Joyeux Noël Dony & famille.

[@richardross7219]

Good video. Merry Christmas and a Happy Healthy New Year. Good Luck, Rick

[@TreePruner150]

Wow! Amazing!

[@waynestefinashen239]

Been there and done that also Dony actually built up at least an inch on the forearm the first year. Now at EP we use the Induction Innovations Venom Mini Ductor heat gun with proper coil assembly to heat the outer metal. There are times when we water quench the heated metal to shock the rust loose. Jake and i both think the Induction Heat Guns are not only the safest and most effective tool to use for this work but also consider it the number one tool in our shop which eliminates issues with seized nuts and bolts.

[@mrclaus859]

Thanks Dony

[@IHcubcadet]

I like to heat and rapid cool them a few times. Then soak with penetrating oil and then I put it in my 20 ton press and I’ve had good luck doing that.

[@billstiles487]

I can see Aaron shop press in Dony's future.

[@robertjospeh1097]

Merry Christmas to you and the family

[@deanmoore420]

I use my oxygen and settling torches, and I have a press you can buy one of them at Harbor freight really cheap and it will save you a lot of work. Great video.👍

[@Paul1958R]

'Settling' HAHAHA

[@Tommyr]

Happy holidays Don!

[@steamboatwillie935]

Nice job Don as always. I was thinking if it wasn't going to come out. Possibility chucking it up in the lathe or milling it out? But then again, the shaft is most likely hardened steel.

[@danobrien5070]

Awesome work db73

[@ForfeMac]

I deal with this kind of shit all the time on heavy equipment. Either heat it red hot and shock it with water, or run a weld bead down one side of the shaft housing, which expands just the metal on one side and breaks the rust bond. Only works if the shaft/pin is in thinner material, exactly like that situation. Also, you should get yourself an air hammer. Lots of smaller impacts does a better job knocking siezed pins loose than a couple big hits with a sledge. Take a drill bit and make a divot in the middle of the shaft to keep the air hammer bit from walking too much.

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

As of my posting, 96 views and ONLY 35 thumbs up??? Come on folks, doesn't cost anything to hit that thumb, I don't even have a Snow machine but I'll help him out

[@martindesmarais7158]

Hey Don, à chance 4 u that if it's too long, you have a full peanut butter's jar on your working bench !😂 Merry Christmas Donyboy !!!

[@tomfillmore9710]

Good job buddy it definitely was stuck in where for sure take care Merry Christmas

[@mikeatv]

thats the toughest one ive seen yet i think i would have gave up

[@baddad5781]

Wow Don, you finally got it off. In 4 years of watching and benefiting from your videos I've never seen you have this much trouble getting something unseized. Makes you wonder why a billion dollar company cant afford two swaps of antiseize on those shafts. Geez nice job.

[@BobE.Dancho]

Good job.

[@x01e]

nice job Donnie, i would have trued an air hammer instead of a punch.

[@josephlahood4647]

I don't have tha gas setup just Mapp Bernzomatic but I'd try with PB blaster and just like you did it. Probably take alot longer if it worked

[@stevesmith6058]

That was a real nice job Donnie I was wondering how you were going to get that out

[@meeeoooow]

4:00 Is that peanut butter on the ole workbench?🤔 Let us in on the peanut butter shop hack secret... Another great video Donyboy. The owner of that machine probably worked on that thing for days.👍🏻👍🏻

[@todddewell6314]

What a battle!!!

[@jimbrewer2893]

Tough one. Persistence paid off.

[@alang.4570]

Great video. I was almost leaning towards the fact that the shaft was never coming out. You proved me wrong. As an aside, how would you prevent that from happening in the future? Would you use anti-seize lube on the new shaft?

[@thomasfrost6993]

Learn how to quench, it will save you a lot of time. I enjoy you videos, thanks for everything you do.

[@bryankoehler8765]

Great video

[@fadetounforgiven]

"This is how a Canadian barbecue begins"

[@boblemon2103]

Heat it beat it, heat it beat it and so on, my record is 6x to get it to come out, same process as those seized on wheels….

[@paulvilleneuve9628]

Let me give you a little tip. Heat both red hot which you almost had them anyway. Take a water hose right away and cool to the touch as quickly as possible. You will be shocked 😳 at how easy the piece of shaft comes out. Give it shot of penetrating spray first. If you’re stuck item will fit in a pail of cold water just drop it in. I’m 73 and an old welding shop taught me this trick when I was in my teens. I also have a 55 ton press 😂. Love your videos. Don’t be afraid to try the cold water trick! Paul V.

[@ranacherian]

Is that peanut butter on the background?

[@diverdave4056]

...mmm perhaps drill it out by using smaller to larger sized bits until you are close to the size of the shaft - then hit it with the torch to heat it up then pound it out

[@upsidedowndog1256]

Nice job! I would have tried my 5X rivet gun with a small flush set. I would have also likely destroyed the impeller!

[@mariocestra1156]

Hey Don. I had the same problem and I did the same thing with a little difference. Once red hot I put cold water on it and then used an impact hammer on it. Came apart on my second try. If people would give their tools and equipment a little care, it would never have happened. Great video.

[@michaelt1349]

Yes, I would have tried Taryl's Heat and Quench method at least twice!

[@donyboy73]

I'll try it next time!

[@dangroce82]

​@donyboy73 it works, as others have said, quenching after eed hot changes the size rapidly and breaks down the rust, turns it to powder. Also, instead of a hammer, use an air hammer, modify a bit to have a point so it won't drift.

[@bobmcl2406]

Even before I watch this video, I can already smell the acetylene! 😂

[@Pete.Ty1]

👍👍👍.Thanks

[@RussellBooth1977]

Taryls heat & quench trick may have done wonders with removing that shaft,I only wished I had an oxy acetylene torch when I rebuilt my dads Honda lawnmower engine because its flange was rusted on & it was a pain to remove like that !

[@WJCTechyman]

Dony's been suggesting this for years before Taryl, same goes for the it's a lawn mower, not the shuttle. He, like other Canadians tend to get upstaged by Americans, for example, the incandescent light bulb was invented by two Canadians but they sold the patent to Edison, who himself has Canadian roots.

[@Patrick4959]

sounds like one very stubborn shaft to remove from my view and yep Donny mate i know the good old oxyacetylene torch sure as anything saved your life for sure in that day and yep penetration oil sure does help including the old oil can from what i know too and a good outcome i reckon and a good tip for sure letting it cool down afterwards as that will be quite hot to handle and no kidding and i,d simple leave that impeller to cool itself for sure and cheers from Australia 🐨🐑🦘🌴🇦🇺 to your area in Canada 🇨🇦 🍁🍂 and have a Merry Christmas🎅 too.🧝🧝‍♂🧝‍♀🎄

[@andrewbrimmer6413]

I use a press, seams to work well.

[@jimurrata6785]

If the shaft is soft enough to drill into, drill it well below the surface. When you go to knock it out the shaft has less thermal mass, the punch cant slip and youre almost pulling it out instead of applying all your force to the end. Good job! That was a difficult one.

[@ataulfolopezlopez8736]

Extracción dificultosa, pero con paciencia y el buen hacer salió el bulón 😅. Buen video como siempre. Felices Fiestas Navideñas y prospero año 2024.

[@donyboy73]

Gracias amigo!

[@vinopan5374]

Great job Dony! A real tough one! What are your thoughts on a “Induction Innovations - Mini-Ductor Venom HP “ being capable of doing the job instead of an oxy acetylene torch? Just wondering. Thanks for all you’ve shared with everyone!

[@donyboy73]

They do work good but very expensive!

[@Neighborhoodgo2guy]

I see someone else mentioned the quenching method... usually works ✊

[@robertmailhos8159]

That is one seized on shaft 😮

[@louissparks2496]

I thought that one had you whipped.

[@pyrog.c.c89]

Good job.🇺🇲

[@BXDT99]

Can’t let the shaft inside get red hot because it also expands with the housing, heat until the outer housing is red only and it “should😅” be easier to free. In theory the outer housing expands away from the shaft.

[@zakdk1]

awesome

[@richardwernst]

I was surprised you didn't just grind/bevel the end of the mushroomed shaft. Is that shaft hardened? If not, drilling a hole in the middle will reduce tightness as well. Not easy, long hole to drill, but could be done from both ends, doesn't have to be perfectly centered and probably wouldn't have to go all the way through. Well done!

[@motorcoachtech7615]

Hope this wasn’t your Christmas turkey pan! Merry Christmas and Happy New Years

[@alfries9736]

Hi D.B., are you going to replace the shaft? A follow up video would be cool. Will you grease it with nickel Teflon anti-seize?

[@Tailloal]

I could feel the frustration in your voice when the shaft wasn't budging. How long did it take you approximately?

[@mr1pearl]

As red as Rudolph's red nose wow get out your marshmallows folks ! Merry Christmas 🎄 Dony !!!

[@matthewwearsch242]

Hell yeah 👍

[@AWSmith1955]

I would have left the bearing end of the shaft intact @1:22 because you could have used it to cool the shaft with wet rags or spray as you heated up the impeller.