How Will Korea Survive A 94% Population Reduction? - Malcolm Collins

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than KZbin by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - apple.co/2MNqIgw. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:14 Why Malcolm is Always in the News 06:40 Our Divided Society’s Two Factions 17:09 How Prosperity & Gender Equality Impact Fertility 21:30 What is Causing the Decline in Dating? 29:38 Balancing Gender Equality with the Need for Mothers 38:14 What a World in Deep Population Decline Looks Like 44:39 Movements from Fertility Extremists 53:00 Is it a Moral Obligation to Have Children? 1:04:29 How to Change the Narrative on Motherhood 1:11:12 Malcolm’s Unique Experience of Having Children 1:25:23 Explaining IVG & IVF 1:29:52 Where to Find Malcolm

[@GuidetteExpert]

I disagree with you why people cant have kids. Its because the housing is very expensive and obviously you need to pay more for a 2 bedroom + apartment.

[@okaySam]

Been around for a while. Congrats to your immense growth! Feels like there is a new Q&A episode every week...

[@elizabethdavis1696]

Also as our society became more and more car dependent the number of children you could have was limited by your car.

[@elizabethdavis1696]

I would like it if mr collins had his own KZbin channel and I he a series of videos dedicated to the population history and future of all the countries

[@kamrudkd]

It's not that people don't want to have children. Muslim ppl are still getting married and having kids both in the west and East. Hence our population is growing. In the west most of the men are now incel and the women delay marriage and childbirth. Leading to population collapse. They are not replacing themselves and are rapidly ageing.

[@mhuarte]

"Being in a happy marriage, is like catching the last chopper out of Nam", that is a quote for the ages.

[@dannygillmusic]

Read this right as he said it

[@20thcentury_toy]

@@dannygillmusic me too lol

[@luckyduckydaisyflower2344]

Wow..unforgettable 😄

[@jeltoninc.8542]

My wife thought that was a badass quote. She then took a dump on my chest and we played for hours making little people out of it. They smell pretty bad.

[@HO1ySh33t]

being happy in general is a luxury for most of man's history, with all the war, famine, disaster, disease and an unavoidable death around us. You might think you're in a happy marriage with a perfect partner who loves you and understands you, but then war breaks out, food becomes expensive, your house get destroyed by a flood, your children die from random illness, you or your partner become sick and unable to work, you're constantly tired, hungry, stressed and depressed. In the past, marriage and having children (preferably male) were viewed as a duty, an obligation, while happiness was optional. Society didn't care if the husband beat his wife and children or if the children are all malnourished. Society only cared that the family has a son. Today, happiness becomes the obligation instead, and marriage is optional. If you have a family, but the children are beaten and malnourished, then that family should not have existed, the parents should not have procreated. Africa doesn't have population problem precisely because its society doesn't care if the children are beaten or hungry or sick,

[@stephenpaulson8313]

If you want educated, socially developed people to breed, you have to give them a society in which they would want to raise children.

[@chriswozniak1636]

Trite. You can't give people culture at all. People create it through active collective participation. If it isn't conducive to having children, it's the product of what the people themselves have done. That's one of the biggest takeaways from the discussion.

[@Ragis]

Remember that JFK quote? “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country”

[@NerdlySquared]

Spoiled brats just want more, even if they already have more than anyone else, including those before them. This fetishization of a extremely brief post war period of prosperity as an excuse, doesn’t explain how everyone before and around the world managed to fulfill the very basic minimum requirement of any species on far far far far less.

[@riffism]

If we didn’t spend so much time online, we wouldn’t be able to see past our own small world and you would find that people would be happier and more positive. In short…the reason you think the world is bad, in comparison to past generations, is that you have more reach now. I’m fairly certain that there were MANY periods in history that were far worse given the famine, pestilence, invasions, etc.

[@conradblackii]

It's really more of a Darwin award

[@suzieBirdoSum009]

As Peter Zeihan says, children in a rural setting are free labor; children in a modern setting are financial sinkholes, so people have less of them.

[@Silkiroth]

I'm glad you explained it

[@soup-nazi6824]

Most men struggle getting a date let alone a woman to have kids with..😅

[@my-rocket]

Peter says they’re noisy furniture. As Guy McPherson says, unlimited growth on a planet with finite resources is an absolute fantasy.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

@@soup-nazi6824- Dating? Career? Blue hair? Netflix? Many women seem too confused by modern life to bother with children.

[@LDW1961]

​@@soup-nazi6824Most childfree men really struggle to get a vasectomy! The guy who did mine (his speciality) gave me a motivational interrogation AND a week to "think it over" not only was I 45, but he said that of some nine thousand men he'd "fixed" only three returned to have a reversal, all of whom became dads again. What's the problem then? Do it even if you have to go to Thailand to find a surgeon, it is still cheaper than Rugrats! 😅

[@AnnaAtl]

This is the kind of teacher we all needed in school.😂 His enthusiasm is awesome.

[@charlesrobert4146]

Chris has never interviewed any guest as enthusiastic as this man. You can feel the passion from his speech and mannerism. This was a very insightful conversation!

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

Thank you for the kind works! I thought I might have gotten a little too excited. I forgot to complete a few points. Still, if that wasn't people take away I am happy.

[@charlesrobert4146]

@@Coach__B I will definitely do that

[@Emppu_T.]

Darn, i really gotta watch this guy more

[@sallybenardello6533]

Aderol is a hell of a drug---Ben Shapiro has same problem speaking at 90 mph--but I love their view points.

[@phillmoore1561]

They sure had enthusiasm in making sure to denounce white people surviving and making sure to lament any other ethnic group going out of business, lol. Pretty pathetic.

[@omganotherun]

“I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is ending up with people who make you feel all alone.” - Robin Williams

[@dusanslavnic4727]

Exactly, this is something that the older generation that didn't grow up with the internet has trouble understanding in my experience. I'd rather be physically alone with a host of online friends that I feel connected to than be surrounded by people and feel alone

[@omganotherun]

@@dusanslavnic4727 Or wind up like Robin Williams. Rich. Famous. Get married 3 times. Commit suicide.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

Exactly. I have peace, unlike when the A-h ex was around to put me down all the time.

[@susanarsoniadou]

Robin Williams paid a high price for his " loneliness". He was screwed out of his money by his gold digger wives.

[@stefkadank-derpjr1453]

Well...I'm 60 and a Conservative Catholic with 4 grown children. I am just now starting to have friends who are dying. So many women that live in my college town ended up childless.....and we are seeing the first of them dying alone.

[@crucifiddle]

Chris is such a great interviewer. He lets people talk and he doesn't try to throw in his own shit every 10 seconds like so many other hosts. Great work, Chris! 😃😋

[@GAMINGBLAZE]

The solution of not losing culture and having high population is India. They have high fertility rate with biggest cultural diversity. Their Hindu or Sanatan Dharma is the key.

[@Profitglutton90]

@@GAMINGBLAZEone of the problems the interviewee mentioned is countries embracing gender equality start to shrink and India is heading towards that direction at light speed.

[@GAMINGBLAZE]

@@Profitglutton90 What's the context ? Gender equality shrinking ? How can you prove that ?

[@Profitglutton90]

@@GAMINGBLAZE yeah every single country that has embraced it is facing population decline below replacement level. Without exception. The guest said it plainly and data corroborates it as well.

[@nickmoore5105]

@@GAMINGBLAZEincorrect. Fertility rate in India is falling too, only just above replacement (2.05 births per woman in 2020) and falling fast.

[@DrProgNerd]

I knew nothing about Malcolm Collins prior to watching this. Chris has earned my trust - that he will have interesting guests - and conduct the interview in an insightful and respectful manner. I enjoyed this. I loved Mr. Collins' enthusiasm - and thoughtful answers. Thank you for this.

[@gabrieljordan8015]

Right now I'm one of the few licensed electricians willing to do emergency calls in Section 8 neighborhoods and it's gotten 10 times worse since I started this 22 years ago. I've even have had little toddlers come up to me and ask me to take them home. It's so goddamn depressing seeing these kids growing up in extreme poverty. Please do not have kids just because the government will pay you to have them. Only have children because you truly want to be a parent.

[@chemtrooper1]

This point always seems to get missed in these type of conversations, reducing humans to an economic unit. 😢

[@elzoog]

I lived in South Korea for 9 years. I can bet you that you won't get kids there asking you to take them home. This same country that the idiot in this video thinks "has no future". I even taught at a low-quality high school that was located next to an orphanage. Even there, I was thinking "you guys don't know how good you've got it"

[@ramspeedmusic]

Great point. This isn’t binary. Nuance, nuance, nuance.

[@LuckysLair]

They aren’t loved, they’re ignored and only used as a source of income for their dysfunctional “parents”

[@thomasdooley5904]

A stable society needs a large middle class, and for the middle class to have kids and raise them well.

[@stupedcraig]

Production above all else. Kids were great when they were producing on the farms. But now they don't, in fact they can take away from their parent's production. If you want more kids, society needs to value family as much as production.

[@automaticshelter130]

100%

[@mht5875]

It means bring back ALL jobs we sent to China and every single other country in the world. The United States should have manufacturing jobs. The United States needs to be self sufficient.

[@johnglennmercury7]

The research that says kids from dual income households have better mental health than those from single income? Yeah... I'm gonna need to check that paper. It's absurd. Think attachment. Think separation anxiety. Think bonding. Your kid is better off being put in childcare at 6 months (common)? Having a Brazilian 19 yr old to tell your biggest fears when mum is at a board meeting? Watching your parents bicker over who has to leave the office early to pick up the kids? Not having a family breakfast but rather eating a diabetes inducing breakfast at childcare? Sorry, that's absolutely laughable.

[@canchero724]

Society has always valued production over all else. When the machines get good enough to take over the production fully, watch people be actively barred from reproducing like it used to be in China.

[@montyturner6511]

Yep.

[@hey_you]

This Malcolm guy has incredible energy! His excitement to share knowledge, and lean into facts, is something I identify with. We need more passionate teachers, because there are people with a thirst for information, and how we can live better as people.

[@piedramultiaristas8573]

The one ths talks like Sahiro

[@visions91]

As a Korean, I would like to say that... We had so many factors stacked against us (such as overbearing neighbors never leaving us alone). Still, we survived and fought surprisingly long. We even prospered for a few decades recently at the end. Now, we bid adieu to the rest of humanity. Please remember us.

[@douchebagpatrol7237]

I'll remember kpop. Have a good journey into the history books XD.

[@betelgeuse1227]

I will. I’m confident that it isn’t the end. However, there will need to be changes and it won’t be easy.

[@Apsolution1]

North Korea is still there and they have somewhat stable birthrate

[@rasmuslernevall6938]

​@@Apsolution1Nothing that their trademark starvation can't handle.

[@pinutpants]

This is insane

[@CaptainManic2010]

Malcolm is extremely intelligent. He speaks very well. I really struggle with long form media lately, but this was effortless to listen to. Brilliant.

[@sarahbird9760]

This guy is great. Every question is a ‘fascinating question’ to him and he means it. I need to be this passionate about literally anything in my life. You go Malcom

[@aspartamekillsyaknow9019]

That's because he has the mind of a woman. He/she is part of the problem. He has like zero testosterone and has no room to talk about having kids. It's balls have to drop 1st. He/she's like the Jiffy that has no nutts

[@tachobrenner]

I'm partly with him, but even if there's 1 child per woman, 100 people would have 12 great grandchildren.

[@ronmoore6598]

Nah, it's an act. He's trying to establish a brand, but hyperactive 9 year old's don't inspire confidence. Why does it say you have 3 replies but only shows 1?

[@1x93cm]

I wonder why he thinks more=better. He's a smart guy but clearly you can look at india or china as it is right now and see that there is quantity over quality. I'd rather have 1 billion super model geniuses rather than 10 billion retards.

[@camillagonzales2409]

The dude is weird. That he found a woman who agreed to reproduce with him is even weirder.

[@duraace2053]

This guys passion and energy got me excited about population collapse! Great guest and interview

[@I2handedI]

I am an ex-amphetamine user and I'm 1000% sure that guy is high off his ass on them during this interview.

[@ChickFenwick]

Scrote logic: If letting women have human rights reduces the population, then we need to take away women’s rights. There could be no other way to approach this issue.

[@hokusai4687]

Now I’m excited about population collapse AND amphetamines!

[@BetaBuxDelux]

@@hokusai4687 I like the way you think!!!

[@I2handedI]

@@hokusai4687 They're the best feeling on the planet(stupid amounts of extra dopamine) as long as you don't make them your life. I only stopped using them because I got a job paying stupid money that requires I not have them in my system. Looking forward to retiring and reusing them stat.

[@QueenieEileenie]

Malcolm is so adorably nerdy. I love his enthusiasm. Makes me feel excited to learn from him.

[@desertdweller9255]

I felt the exact same way!

[@dnjdsolarus]

The tribe have found a way to make their eugenics Palatable to you, a member of a broad racial group, a group which has tried the exact same thing and were punished for it, multiple times over history. And now you have much to learn?

[@Eric-ej3oy]

They say he treat his kids like he wish he never had them. Ppl are afraid of being alone or the last man on earth.

[@Limuzins]

He is so happy that someone is finally hearing him out because he is right but people just ignore the impending doom that's approaching.

[@15walkingaway]

Climate change, AI, pandemics, gays, nuclear war, religious extremists, ethno-fascists, and on and on and on. Doom's always around the corner. Grab the popcorn.

[@shreksburgers]

people don't care unless it's on their doorstep.

[@JeffMTX]

There’s no stopping it. It’s reality.

[@levibull6063]

I actully love that "being in a happy marriage these days is like getting the last chopper out of nam"

[@marniekilbourne608]

It is true! I am screwed lol!

[@adamwalker2377]

Yep. If we reinstate patriarchy, the odds of a successful marriage go up.

[@Bufekana]

my husbando and me are together for over 20 years👍im 34 now, you can do the math☺️

[@DarthSoto78]

@@Bufekana That happens, but is very, very rare these days.

[@Bufekana]

@@DarthSoto78 isnt that sad?

[@jefesalsero]

I raised three children by myself (with help from some part-time nannies) after their mother died 15 years ago. I suddenly became a single parent - a father tasked with providing for 3 kids under the age of 10. Things are good today, the kids turned out fine (all young adults and working in their chosen professions or in college *my youngest). One of the biggest challenges I faced was being laid off from my corporate sales jobs many times over the years. The layoffs, and the periods of unemployment and financial stress, were extremely stressful and demoralizing. I would often think to myself that if I didn't have children, and only had to provide for myself, how much easier my experience would have been. Losing one's job as the sole provider for a family really sucks! Thankfully, I am in a more rewarding and stable career field today, and everything turned out well.

[@20thcentury_toy]

Good job

[@sapemi08]

Good for you! Where do you live? Mars? What do you do? Sell weapons of mass destruction? All right!!!!

[@markcnut17]

Glad to hear that, you’ve done a tremendous job so kudos to you’

[@induchopra3014]

Alternative is being rich and alone.Lonliness. having one or two child is enough

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

Now imagine what it's like for women who risk abject poverty for being pregnant.

[@itsguanyu]

Just found this video, Collins is an absolute delight. Never listened to potential doom for humanity being explained with more enthusiasm! Jokes aside,an amazing individual, thanks for this extremely interesting interview!

[@EdwardsComment]

This nerd is super accurate and practical, I was blown away by how concise the analysis was. "prosperity-induced fertility collapse" and engagement with the modern economy ruining the sustainability of civilization is spot-on.

[@マリー-v4p]

The man just spits fact after fact and analysis at lightning pace.

[@Archive41024]

"This nerd" 😂😂😂

[@foxtrotunit1269]

Omg "This nerd" 😂😂Also based shotgun background, respect!👍

[@KingDeezy700]

Facts!!! 😂

[@paulheinrichdietrich9518]

​@@Archive41024it's true.

[@ChadCilli]

This guy is so spot on about people waiting till they have their lives in order, and then it’s too late to have kids.

[@richardsorge-]

I think that's a problem in the U.s. In many countries You are not so hardly pressed to get those big careers. And I still don't understand how the average American is so in debt. Do You really have to have that big car and enormous flat?

[@ChadCilli]

@@richardsorge- I can’t speak for all Americans but even living very modestly with an old used car and a very small apartment, it still took 20 years to pay off my student loans. Most people really don’t live extravagantly. Salaries are low, cost of living is high, and everyone is buried with student loans.

[@richardsorge-]

@@ChadCilli thank You for your answer. Here in Italy High grade instruction Is cheap, and if you have a low income, It's free. Medical care too Is nearly free. Maybe Is for these reasons that people here are more relaxed....

[@ChadCilli]

@@richardsorge- I will likely do a very poor job of explaining this, but education is really not that over priced here. The problem is that we are encouraged to take out student loans, and those loans have very high interest rates. so, you end up with four years worth of loans that are accruing interest at a rate that exceeds your ability to pay them down. Some schools are quite expensive. However, it would be wrong of me to imply that all of higher education is expensive. Many people do go to a community college for their first two years and then finish at a larger university. Where I think people get into trouble is the student loans. Often times people take out more money than is required for tuition, because they rely on the loans to pay their living expenses as well. At least, that is my experience and the experience of my peers.

[@manictiger]

It's even worse than that. I solved the financial part, but... Once you get there, who do you trust? A woman in today's society has the ability to steal, heck even the ability to murder with nearly no repercussions. The DOJ (which I consider the enemy of this country) will always favor the woman and plays a significant role in the existence of, mgtow, incel, feminism and Karens. Loyalty, trustworthiness and selflessness can't be bought, but treachery, deceit and narcissism can be created by poverty. Socially, we have created a very negative sum game, so no wonder no one wants to date. Even when finances are no longer weaponized against you, the task of finding a trustworthy partner is. I'd have better luck finding a grateful woman in a post-nuclear apocalypse. Part of me even hopes for it. Clear out all the junk genes and narcissism.

[@kassandramarie3789]

I’m 26 and I feel way too fatigued too have kids. By the time I’m done work I’m too tired to deal with a child on top of that. All the stress of the current world is also not helpful

[@potter5647]

Sister hi, what is your opinion on the philosophy of antinatalism?

[@Shirley-v3g]

Mostly - based upon avoiding economic hardships that most stress is based on 😢

[@overlord165]

"Don't pray for easier lives my friends, pray to be stronger men"

[@usernamechecksout]

I had my kids in my early 40s. I'm the same age as my wife. We both work full-time in a very competitive industry. No family member (grandparents) helped us. It's never too late. You can do it.

[@khaderlander2429]

You have been set up to be lonely. You are married to your job and at some point in your life you have to retire, if you lucky in a nice house then time goes bye the body deteriorates and if you don't have a nest egg, you will be forced to sell your house to be look after by some stranger who sees you as a job less caring, you hear abuses in retirement homes. The other side of the coin even if you stay in your own home you have to have someone coming in looking after you same issues they don't see you as human you just a job, humans are sociable animals and such opportunity hardly one experiences it and loneliness is a long road with never end in site. Having children who you bonded with you, can relieve the stress of loneliness.

[@laulaja-7186]

When we look around at our peers, few have been able to maintain positive relationships with their parents, and conversely there’s a perception that the parents should take care of themselves or go find a nursing home that can. If the relationship between generations is going to be so cold, there’s no motivation to have it.

[@kellymiller3747]

Great point about cultural hope. Feels like our gov in US has turned against it's own people in last 40 years.

[@cayladelorenzo4047]

You feel that way because it’s true! They want us to spend spend spend and be dependent on them so they can have power over us.

[@norwegianblue2017]

The last 5-10 years has been on another level. Especially under Biden with the weaponization of the FBI, DOJ and the IRS against political opponents high and low.

[@Digger-Nick]

Leftists say the complete opposite lol

[@zakariaelhimer1325]

West in general

[@annabell3385]

Since the end of WWII and operation Paperclip.

[@xenoblad]

The most fascinating aspect of the phenomenon is how housing prices are COMPLETELY immune to population decline. The housing in east Asia seems to only go up regardless of how much of a ghost town the place is. At least for the cities. Rural ghost towns go from being expensive to being ghost towns that aren't worth living in at all.

[@RobbieEagle955]

is it? house prices in attractive areas will remain high or go up more even, right now this is cities as this is where people are flocking to. many rural properties have already become worthless in many countries.

[@skylinefever]

Sometimes investment firms rig the economy. Could you imagine what would happen if there were no Blackrocks or Vanguards?

[@deanchur]

China's housing market is tanking, even in Beijing and Shanghai, and the decline is still going. China Insights posted a video recently of a guy buying a bunch of apartments to use as warehousing for his online shop; the most he paid for an apartment was $15,000 (with the cheapest being $150).

[@dmitriikurilov3662]

​@@deanchur Literally any property (even slightly more spacious than a dog cabin) in Beijing and Shanghai is way more expensive than $15,000. It is done for purpose: military and police staff gets it for free and they will stay loyal even if they are ordered to butcher their own mothers. Everybody else take 50-60 years mortgage and die before they pay it out, their children inherit their properties with mortgage liabilities.

[@LordFiscus]

It's investment speculation; they apparently use the value of the property as collateral against more property/loans to get funds that aren't taxable. They can't lower the property value because then the web of investment deals they've made would collapse. Like many things, they're not going to revert it until they're forced to because it would kill their job/livelihood/security.

[@maam-yj8ph]

There is always a disturbing lack of discussion of how to raise and support children who are orphans or from single parent households.

[@TheExtremeCube]

Its not a 'spicy topic' today

[@0rnery0verwatch]

Because due to all the paperwork/hurdles you have to jump through to even be qualified to adopt... most couples would have an easier time trying for their own, if able.

[@kytziaf]

Thats a genetic dead end. The goal is to keep your genetic line going. Not raise someone elses kids

[@ChickFenwick]

@@kytziaf Are you only an animal?

[@thenilechild21]

For the average child that can be adopted in the US there are 40 families waiting. Adoption alone is not the solution. Watch Birth Gap.

[@EmptyHouseGuy]

Omg I've been using the phrase "Urban monoculture" for around 5 years. I instantly knew what he meant when he said it. Glad someone else invented the same phrase as me.

[@paulheinrichdietrich9518]

So random.

[@Romie15]

You can quit coffee in the mornings by just listening to Malcolm Collins. He gets you energised! Great episode ❤although, to be honest, I still fail to understand the importance of this issue.

[@Bisquick]

Because you can use your brain and intuit there's some deception going on, ie things intentionally _not_ being said. Here's just a few things not mentioned in the 2 minutes I could stand to watch of this: (South) Korea was fucking subsidized almost entirely by the US for like 60 years under a military dictatorship lol, up until US sanctions were able to directly cause a famine in North Korea in the 90s at which point it could transform its political facade into a "liberal democracy" aka a more indirect/impersonal bourgeois dictatorship dictated by the will of "the market" (aka finance capital)... Hell, all the "secular Calvinist" silicon valley freaks referenced can only remain profitable with direct government subsidies in the form of military/CIA contracts, ie a direct connection to the spigot of central bank money. Google, Facebook, etc. were all cultivated under In-Q-Tel, the CIA's venture capital fund (as extensively reported by Yasha Levine in Surveillance Valley). A project of technologically assisted surveillance and social control that extends back to the infamous assassination/"enhanced interrogation" Phoenix Program in Vietnam where 80,000+ Vietnamese suspected of VC membership were "neutralized", of whom at least 26,000 were killed, and the rest surrendered or were captured. The only stability afforded to the imperial core of the "full spectrum domination" of the US empire is provided to it by the extraction of value from the global south coupled with its currency hegemony and debt-peonage/resource/labor extraction schemes (the "washington consensus" comprised of "structural adjustment" austerity programs under the IMF/World Bank which stipulate capital loans for the direct control over national governments to strip-mine them toward paying back impossible to pay loans, the magic of compounding interest - IMF/World Bank being the international financial institutions created post-WWII at the behest of the US for the benefit of US transnational corporate/finance capital), the US positioning itself as the "consumer of last resort" at the end of the global supply chain to absorb inevitable overproduction of capitalism through cheap consumption or of course our favorite activity of war/arms sales (military Keynesianism, the only button we can push clearly). Launching itself to hegemony post-WWII via imposing the Bretton-Woods international financial system with the US dollar as the "global reserve currency" using the leverage of being the only industrialized nation-state _not_ bombed to shit and taking the imperial baton from the British and their pound sterling... Which is all to say: gee, could the decreasing population rate be because capitalism doesn't allow for most working people to be able to afford having kids? Yes, yes, it's that. Fucking duh lol... Of course a -vulture- venture capitalist wants more workers to be injected into the population as this stabilizes the floor to maintain low wages, conversely on the capitalist side increased profits. You can easily put 2 + 2 together here in a larger context in regards to the fed raising interest rates; the objective of capital in regards to purposely causing a recession a la Volcker shock is to increase the "reserve army of the unemployed", masquerading it as a sort of "objective" technocratic "solution" to price inflation, much like this where the issue of capitalism's inherent class antagonism, inherent falling rates of profit, etc. is completely put off to the side and instead the impetus is placed on workers' supposed moral virtue in supposedly _choosing_ not to have kids (rather the plainly obvious explanation that they can't afford it, as stated earlier): _"Big industry constantly requires a reserve army of unemployed workers for times of overproduction. The main purpose of the bourgeois in relation to the worker is, of course, to have the commodity labour as cheaply as possible, which is only possible when the supply of this commodity is as large as possible in relation to the demand for it, i.e., when the overpopulation is the greatest. Overpopulation is therefore in the interest of the bourgeoisie, and it gives the workers good advice which it knows to be impossible to carry out. Since capital only increases when it employs workers, the increase of capital involves an increase of the proletariat, and, as we have seen, according to the nature of the relation of capital and labour, the increase of the proletariat must proceed relatively even faster. _*_The above theory, however, which is also expressed as a law of nature, that population grows faster than the means of subsistence, is the more welcome to the bourgeois as it silences his conscience, makes hard-heartedness into a moral duty and the consequences of society into the consequences of nature, and finally gives him the opportunity to watch the destruction of the proletariat by starvation as calmly as any other natural event without bestirring himself, and, on the other hand, to regard the misery of the proletariat as its own fault and to punish it."_* - some guy (Marx, to not be pointlessly facetious - this is why freaks don't want you to read this guy for yourself, has nothing to do with the idpol stupidity that is claimed by manipulative morons to be "marxist") Just the massive mounting layers of contradictions inextricable to capitalism's material logic, nothing to see here folks, Do not look at that man behind the thin blood-soaked curtain of US empire - all hail the divine right of "the market"! *_socialism or_* [continued] *_barbarism._*

[@HelderP1337]

I'm Portuguese, that has a very old population. And everytime i go back home, it's pretty crazy seeing so many old people out on the streets. And younglings are not having kids anymore.

[@garyzies3486]

It's also a dying culture. The country you once knew will soon be empty and forgotten.

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

yeh childcare is so expensive. why would you............ in ireland it's becoming like china, smart people have one.

[@solrosenberg4529]

I was checking the divorce rate for Portugal the other day and was shocked to see it’s 92%. Could you, as a Portuguese, speculate on why this might be?

[@filipesugden1982]

Yes shocking, its system fault, it's more cheap to open to massive immigrations than support natality policies

[@HelderP1337]

@@solrosenberg4529 I'm going to speculate and say money. It's a very struggling economy. It never really recovered properly from the '08 crash and politically it only became more socialist so it's hard for the economy to grow in this environment too. Also, it's probably values. People our age lost most sense of morality. In older generations the christian values prevailed but now everyone wants to live like the Americans but it's hard on 800 bucks a month and 40% taxes. It's a beautiful country, in many ways a true oasis but it's a shame it's people and it's leaders can't get their shit together.

[@soundtenement7993]

Your guest obviously loves this topic. He’s very excited over the subject matter. Great guest. He clearly know what he is talking about.

[@willow05]

@@JeffCaplan313 umm did you watch it? He’s married with kids

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

Thank you for the kind words! I wish I had my wife on with me for this one.

[@soundtenement7993]

@@willow05 yes, I watched it and loved it. Married with kids is a blessing and a joy of life. I thank God for my wife and family everyday.

[@devirama1]

As a mother of 3, with 4 grandchildren, a PhD, a lifetime of teaching, I had it all. It can be done, but the society no longer supports the choices I was free to make 50 years ago.

[@GangdamStyle20]

Average birthrates are also droping dramaticlly in your family. We really need to change things in the west family politics wise...

[@MyriamRichardsdotter]

@@GangdamStyle20 No women want your babies. Forcing women to have children and forcing them into slavery for men will cause women to commit suicide.

[@waltermh111]

First of all no you can't have it all. Having exceptions to the rule does not invalidate the rule. Not every woman can be a superwoman like you. And your kids suffered for you putting work above family anyway. Unless you chose to get that after they grew up. If you were going for your career or long term education while they were still growing, then you did a disservice to your children, and you are lucky they came out well assuming they did. If you are working, you are either neglecting the children in favor of company or education, or you are screwing over your coworkers ever time the kids need something. Women thinking they can have it all is a big problem with modern women. They can't but they sure are determined to screw up their kids trying, because trying to have it all is a very selfish life that puts you before your children.

[@MyriamRichardsdotter]

@@waltermh111 oh god, another one of those “repeal the 19th!” lunatics. Tech has groomed you to blame all the worlds ills on women. Tech moguls don’t want men to riot against THEM as they take away out basic human rights and replace them with tech surveillance. They want you to have scapegoats to hate- they target us women.

[@KiltBill2]

What has been lost since you got your PHD that would stop women today?

[@earthsecho4770]

20:00 As a 30yr old women I completely agree. I am desperately trying to be economical stable but this economy is a dam nightmare. Dating and finding an economically stable partner is Also near impossible. I want 4 kids but I can barely afford myself and I don't have a 'fabulous' life. The cost of living is atrocious and meritocracy is a complete lie. I was raised to believe that working hard would benefit you but all it has gotten me since I left University is Nowhere.

[@stephaniemanchester-chermo3840]

Unfortunately single women over 30 have a pretty low batting average when it comes to finding a suitable mate and kids get further and further away as the months go by. Sorry.

[@bodhixxx1]

good luck it will only get worse PC gender confusion feminism Government against the old school family a man can no longer run his family he ends up in Prison if he puts his foot down P*SS on USA

[@fatmonkey4716]

Have you cut things so you can invest more?

[@huntmatthewd]

When you double the workforce the cost of living doubles. When you punish producers to reward consumers people become consumers. When the average man has no chance of a family he withdraws from society. When you take God out of society families lose their natural order. I think you can put these together to figure out the big picture here.

[@bodhixxx1]

@@huntmatthewd well said Sir could not agree more with you.

[@tredegar4163]

As a conservative Christian in a blue city I’m seeing all this first hand. Our church is far above replacement rate and the biggest shift in our thinking over the last five years is not homeschooling your children is a shameful thing. Even private Christian school is looked at suspiciously.

[@stupedcraig]

suspiciously how?

[@tredegar4163]

@@stupedcraig We see the same thing as Mr. Collins sees, most teachers are liberals and when you send your children to school they spend more time with the teachers than the parents. When you send your children to Caesar for their education don’t be surprised when they come back as Romans. The private schools are still squishy and can still be liberal light. More importantly though the Biblical model is that the family is responsible for education

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Hope your Christian parents have more than a highschool education to homeschool their kids. If not it's a vicious swirl downwards with every generation which will be indoctrinated with that Christianity cult

[@captainbeastazoid7084]

100% spot on. I work as a private tutor for a local fundamentalist church. I was raised Christian but not currently practicing. But they know I'm on the level with everything they teach. I admire these people. Just healthy families. Traditional family structures and traditional values work. This resentful, liberal, bs culture does not work. On a fundamental biological level, it simply doesn't work. When I have children, I def plan on homeschooling them or doing some kind of "homeschooling collective" with other like-minded parents.

[@tredegar4163]

@@hosmerhomeboy I’m in the exact same boat as you just five years ahead just after the birth of our second child. I was saved later in life and while I never disliked children and never actually desired to have them. But I trusted in the Lord and I treasure both of them; there is a chasm of being before and after becoming a parent that’s hard to describe.

[@skydivingcomrade1648]

I can explain the population collapse in one word: hopelessness. The world is hopeless from lack of a future of freedom and prosperity.

[@conorwilliam2558]

Do you know why that is? In my humble POV it is bred by design. To give you context The dark ages where known as such due to freedoms being suppressed by the Church it hindered progression for around 500 years scientifically and in many other sectors. In our Morden time progression has and still is being hindered by corporations they control governments and its organisations and this hinders progress because they socially engineer people to be dependent on their bullshit this in turn stops individual freedom of expression in art science music. Look at the utter fucking state of all of it at the minute. some shmuk can semi peel a banana and call it art people mumble on songs and call it music. This shit is huge and like a disease it has spread through out human society and it is quite literally holding us in place. thus creating a huge sense of hopelessness people just look at it all and think what is the point.

[@induchopra3014]

There will be people migrations. Thats all. Life goes on. Koreans are marrying foreigners .

[@RaineRay-gn3bn]

Literacy has increased, conspiracy theorist have sounded the horn on this system and how it owns people as property from birth and people now want to live for themselves not brings more slaves for a system which only uses and discards them

[@pebblepod30]

Caused mainly by "corporate" capitalism and the band aid solutions to them (like mass immigration - through no fault of the immigrant - is often used as a band aid solution to the problems caused by capitalism.

[@RaineRay-gn3bn]

@@pebblepod30 I guess we should go back to hunting for our own food again. Give daddy capitalism the middle finger and let’s go. Just need to find a good source of water

[@skblack5050]

This guy is humorously educating. His perspective is spot on in my opinion and a head of the game.

[@angelmessenger8240]

I think most of the problem with relationships is that people can no longer speak to each other. People live their lives vicariously via the phone/net. No effort and you can side swipe. Talking takes empathy, the ability to hold a conversation, people are lazy and can't be bothered and have become so welded to their phones that they can no longer hold a conversation at all. I'm watching it happen with my grandchildren.

[@MrSmith-ve6yo]

Conversing is a skill that's sadly not being practiced. I'm 28 but I've definitely seen it in cousins up to 12 years younger than me.

[@manictiger]

@@elizabethk3238 I bet you live in a hellacious city. Stay there. Keep your family there. Stay out of my neighborhood. Stay in your left-wing prisons and keep your post-modern hell to yourselves.

[@luckyduckydaisyflower2344]

You sound like you have had a house for decades..rent is so oppressive and cost of housing..a family can't be happy ina one room apartment

[@jayc342009]

​@elizabethk3238 you have a valid point, but do not force women onto a path they do not want. The largest demographic on antidepressants are single, middle aged, childless women. Let women make their own minds up.

[@whitneyanders5945]

Single women without children are not the biggest demographic of anti depressant users. I cannot find any research online that supports your statement.

[@MargaretCraigie]

I think it is so important that parents actually want the children they bring into the world. The worst thing is a parent who doesn't want children but still has them. Picking up the cost of neglected children who wind up under bridges addicted to drugs or worse is a huge drain. We need to change the economy so that it benefits existing people rather than creating more people just to benefit the economy (but actually turn out to be a drain). If you want kids, great. But if you don't want them, please don't have them.

[@Asto508]

Well, there are not enough parents who want to have children in order to have replacement rate. It's actually one of the reasons why it's so low. There are no good reasons to have children today other than being a time-costly and expensive hobby. It's the reason only the poor and very wealthy can afford to have them.

[@mmmmmmmc888881]

I agree 100% with you.

[@skylinefever]

I always make this point. Let the "Doesn't actually want children" genes go extinct and the world will be a better place.

[@sitcomchristian6886]

Here's another perspective: I wanted children, then didn't bond with my firstborn. To say it was awful is an understatement. To love her was a choice I made with my actions every day. Eventually when she was 18 months old, and I was pregnant with my second, we bonded over Pavarotti lol. That was 3 years ago and she's such a doll now. We have 3 kiddos (1 is adopted) and I had no trouble connecting with babies #2 and #3.

[@MargaretCraigie]

@@Delrin3030 It's possible that the desire for 0, 1 or 2 children is no more than before, and simply that contraception (ie LARCs - Long-term acting reversible contraceptives) has improved enough that women no longer have more than they intended. The pill was better than condoms, but not as good as, say, the IUD or the implant. It's certainly true for my own family.

[@hopefulforhumanity5625]

I finished college, went to work, got married, and immediately wanted children. I was 25. I told my husband I wanted to stay home with our children. After lots of thought and discussion, we agreed i would work part time. When I first brought my son home, I was shocked at how much I wanted to be with him and how strongly I didn't want to hand him over to a baby sitter or a daycare. Why did no one prepare me for this? I was angry at all the women who had been my teachers. I was angry at my mom and my aunts. I left work and never went back. Raising children is all consuming but worth it. There is no carreer that could bring me this joy.

[@20thcentury_toy]

Thanks lady

[@rayrwyr]

This is how most women should be until the children grow up.

[@johnsonspark171]

it's not a career and you'll be bored and have nothing to do once you send it to school

[@marijnmens7583]

@@johnsonspark171 Says John the expert on life.

[@judeross3875]

@@johnsonspark171 Yes it can go to school and the clothes need washing, the food needs preparing and the home needs taking care of. Boring to some nurturing to others!!

[@angelagrace6695]

This guy is great. I love how engaging he is and is such a wonderful representation of traditional conservative values.

[@marysueeasteregg]

I'm impressed, but I don't think he is so much a wonderful representive of traditional conservative values, as a wonderful representive of traditional (classical/Enlightenment) liberal values. (Which are NOT the same as current progressive/woke values.)

[@filipesugden1982]

" traditional conservative values" hahaha please, a real society like that are amish or hassidic, I bet you would not like to lost all of your gynocentric materialistic empowerement to live in such societies

[@RecoveringHermit]

So much of our view on having children is based on our own experiences as a child. My parents are still together, but they argued constantly, never seemed happy and I felt like my mum regretted having children. l don't ever recall explicitly thinking "look how unhappy they are, I should not get married and have kids". But I can't help think it shaped my views without realising it.

[@chrispekel5709]

Mine split and my mother constantly compared me to my dad and talked about how much she hated him Now she wonders why I'm single and she doesn't have grandchildren When your childhood was awful you usually don't want to make children

[@RecoveringHermit]

@@chrispekel5709 I won't say mine was awful, lots of kids had it much worse than me. All of my physical needs were taken care of, I went to a good school, we had holidays etc. But the emotional bond that a family should have wasn't there. My mum also talked about hating my dad. They never celebrated their wedding anniversary, my mum would sneer at the idea. I would look at other married couples who spoke to each other with love and respect and not understand why my parents couldn't do the same. I willed them to get divorced so they could meet other people and at least both be happy.

[@timbo7873]

Great point...

[@kathleenking47]

The sexual revolution They also thought..too many kids were born in the 50s & 60s 5:43 Also, look how he dresses It may help, to dress less "unisex" Men in ties, women in dresses/skirts

[@FlipTheBard]

@@kathleenking47 Wow, talk about having an outdated mindset. You wanna go back in time where men and women could only be husband/father and wife/mother rather than be whatever they want?Where women had no voice(unless a man spoke for them) and were treated worse than nowadays?Where men couldn't express their feelings(or even be allowed to feel at all) least they be called "gay"(as if being gay was an insult)? Tell you what, you want to live this archaic views on life, you can simply travel to countries where those are enforced but know this: most(if not all) of those countries are dictatorships with few human rights.

[@gavinkalaher7314]

Very few people realise the long-term effects on fertility that the pandemic, the energy price shocks, the "cost of living" crisis and general future uncertainty will have. When coupled with the fact that some 40% of young teenagers in the west now identify as LGBT, climate hysteria, AI and robots displacing jobs, a further downward spiral into population collapse is inevitable.

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

Absolutly! That is why we say our goal is to get people onto lifeboats not to stop the titanic from hitting the ice burg.

[@Osmosis909]

Where did you get that statistic from regarding 40% of young teenagers identify as LGBT? For the timeframe of “now”, the statistics simply do not exist. Most studies cover 2019/2020/2021, there are no statistics anywhere that support 40%, it is a LOT lower than that. You’ll be lucky to find any statistics that support even 20% of gen z.

[@Menaceblue3]

​@@Osmosis909 For a demographic claiming to be a disadvantaged minority, the percentage rise of their community in such a short time period cannot be explained by simple statistics.

[@skylinefever]

Some people claim it because they get all the advantages of being the oppressed group. If there were no special benefits, numbers would drop back down to natural levels.

[@jango1970]

I'm so impressed by their intelligence and eloquence. Malcolm's rapid speech is very dense with original ideas and insight. Chris doesn't stuggle to keep up. He can somehow keep all these points in his head and then distill the most important one for a very concise question to ask. This is, without a doubt, one of the best interviews I've ever seen. Well done ! :)

[@rekaahne7190]

As an educated 45 y/o female, this conversation hits home. Thank you, for your meaningful contribution to today’s society.

[@rekaahne7190]

What if optimal reproductive choices were decipherable physical attributes, not eugenics… then compare this between the 5k USD income threshold?!?!?

[@CaseyJohn-ki8eo]

Educated....ugh

[@rekaahne7190]

@@CaseyJohn-ki8eo only means I spent too much money on mostly useless knowledge…

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Personally I had children with no consideration in my mind of economics. For me and my wife, it was an existential imperative.

[@thmphll]

"As an educated 45 y/o female" To many people especially women view their education as the peak accomplishment in life. Considering the majority of college students and grads are women and its easy in the west to go get a degree its really not a big deal. Its a means to make more money in life and really should just be viewed as that.

[@lachlanaulich3566]

It'd be absolutely fantastic to see him talk more about Israel because I feel like he wanted to talk a lot more about it but was restricted with time and the present topic being discussed. Fantastic guest, keep up the goodwork

[@TGP109]

It's mainly the Orthodox Jews who are having children and many of them refuse to serve in the Army and spend all their time reading the Torah instead of being an asset to the economy.

[@dst1311]

Tel Aviv is the gayest city in the world

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

People don’t believe in the system anymore. We’re not fostering an environment where it’s exciting and feasible to build a family. Dating apps and social media also completely demolished the dating scene for fostering the development of genuine healthy relationships. People’s standards are through the roof unrealistic and they aren’t as willing to push through adversity.

[@adrianabarnard6402]

“having kids is like going through a second puberty” This exactly what it feels like to me. You are forced to grow and if not you prove that you fail and quit.

[@skylinefever]

I wonder how many people don't have it happen to them. I think about all those guys who go out to buy a pack of cigarettes and aren't seen again.

[@Thesteadfast]

​@@skylinefeverthat happens when they are either terrible people OR they never bond with the kids. Chris did a recent interview on the role of fathers and how they are less supported for bonding when the kid is a newborn/infant. Men's brains change just like women's but they have to wait until after birth.

[@skylinefever]

@@Thesteadfast Women's brains are supposed to change quickly after birth, and men's brains are supposed to change eventually. However, there isn't an insurance policy on it. Makes me wonder how many human sacrifices were really just regretted children. The argument that it pleases the weather gods was just an excuse.

[@ll2323]

And trying to find a partner who is also willing to do that and not leave the family behind when it get hard is the other part of the problem.

[@Nerodz]

Animals seldom breed well in captivity. Time and energy spent wringing hands over the plummeting birth rate might be better spent recovering liberty.

[@cloud-dragon]

Thank you for mentioning this. I've read Darwin's book and he also mentions this. Reproduction of species is very sensitive to environment. Changing the lifestyle can definitely affect desire to have children. I don't agree with you that it is because we are in captivity. Any change can affect reproduction, for example excessive availability of entertainment, lost traditions and negative cash flow of having child.

[@Savvynomad225]

@@cloud-dragon hormonal birth control and no fault divorce have played a large role in America. It’s also the pivot point for when economic productivity skyrocketed but wages stayed flat in relation to it.

[@cloud-dragon]

​@@Savvynomad225 don't agree about economics affecting children. Quite the contrary - poorest countries have most the children. But definitely it's cultural issue - contract between men and women is broken. No one wants to sign it.

[@DoubleOhSilver]

​@@cloud-dragon agreed. So many problems are causing this, but income is one of the lowest. I have friends with low income jobs having kids and I would too. It's definitely a liberty thing, people want more money because liberty has been monetized. Then people get trapped in consumerism because we get used to money buying freedoms/options. That's on top of today's trashy dating culture. It's very hard to date because a significant amount of people do not make suitable partners. The birth control pill also has a huge blame for today's issues.

[@johnglennmercury7]

We're in a behavioural sink. Well they - cowardly, narcissistic, immature childless people - are, I'm happy with my life, with my kids, & my proud carbon footprint

[@ironknight132]

This has been my favorite guest. I usually just listen to these, but I couldn't not watch this guy so energetically explain his ideas. Please have him back some time!

[@TeeKingo]

'Conservative Christians' are not a racial monoculture: every colour, tribe and (almost) every language has some believers.

[@edheldude]

Indeed. It's more like a base operating system to life and not a culture per se.

[@GrinningWolfGames]

I love Malcolm’s energy to explain stuff. Very interesting conversation

[@strawhats4858]

I love this dudes energy. I could listen to him talk for hours

[@Car-jy8pw]

We have so many chemicals, unhealthy “foods”, medicines, jabs, and lifestyle problems hurting fertility rates. It will be difficult even if people wake up.

[@craigwillms61]

You are waking people up - thank you!

[@LilyGazou]

Plenty of info about the jabs affecting longevity, health and fertility. Not good news.

[@edheldude]

There's a massive s"xual selection process going on. Those who can take of themselves and think for themselves, and those who follow the sick monoculture.

[@StarlightNkyra]

I've been saying it for a while: our society has doomed itself by money, and the greed and power it creates in people. It prevents actual development, and the restriction of food and water to money has essentialy doomed us by not even providing a good escape. Money isn't an option and fundamentally that's a problem.

[@tomsmith6513]

I think people need to shift back to religion. Money has drained the soul out of society.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

@@tomsmith6513 It will happen inevitably. The Amish, Evangelicals and Mormons might end up becoming majority in the following century.

[@gvis8217]

our society aqhs doomed itself by dumping on men and making marriage and children (followed by divorce) a financial death sentence

[@AtheismF7W]

Technology is a double edged sword.

[@skylinefever]

@@tomsmith6513 how do you even get religion? Many redditors exist because religion just did not work as advertised.

[@sgttomas]

I’m at least 62% more inclined to believe what he’s saying just because of how enthusiastically he says it. Great vibes 🤗

[@Golgibaby]

I would like to have Malcolm converse with Ben Shapiro to hear how fast they would converse.

[@kamrudkd]

It's not that people don't want to have children. Muslim ppl are still getting married and having kids both in the west and East. Hence our population is growing. In the west most of the men are now incel and the women delay marriage and childbirth. Leading to population collapse. They are not replacing themselves and are rapidly ageing.

[@marty9011]

We wouldn't understand a single word !!

[@br8745]

It'd be a verbal race of Wally West and Barry Allen 😂

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

I would love that too! But Ben Shapiro thanks I am a nerd. Supose that is its own kind of award. To be called a nerd by ben Sahpiro.

[@adouloslabelh2957]

I'd be so duck up closi g my eyes trying to figuring out who's who😩

[@trlspann]

I’m only half way through, but geez the passion this guy has is awesome. Compelling viewing.

[@Savagetennis]

My wife loved raising our children! She went back to work 1 day and never went back for 8 years. Having some immature people raise your children in day care is not something we thought was right for our family. We made lots of consessions but it was worth it

[@ChatGPT1111]

Too bad that won't make a difference in the long run. Society is figuring out ways to 'capture' fractional and marginal groups like yours one-by-one. In 5 years, AI and the web will have your progeny under it's 'spell'.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

I know but judges in Family Court will excoriate a mother who didn't go back to work from day one. In, NYC, no one will ever give you a job again if you stop working, unless you're Jewish, in which case, they help their own. Or if you take low status jobs below your education.

[@Savagetennis]

I'm sorry but employers are dying for really good workers. I completely disagree.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

@@Savagetennis They want but they don't want to pay or train.

[@induchopra3014]

​@@cynthiagonzalez658employer is not educator

[@marcod4538]

I have never listened to a podcast twice... until this one.

[@burtmacklin6443]

You don't often get to witness something like this. Malcolm Collins, from what I can tell, genuinely cares about the fate of humanity and has peered into the void.

[@jjgeoffphhcinkkllee]

I do NOT care.

[@Madasin_Paine]

I doubt he cares as he doesn't know suffering if what he promotes. He seems like clueless do gooder who enjoys the popular attention of something he is doing.

[@burtmacklin6443]

@@jjgeoffphhcinkkllee Well if you don't care, why would you comment. Seems you care quite a bit. But about what? I don't know. At this point 25 people liked my comment, but didn't reply which I would argue, means they care less about my comment than you. If you truly didn't care, you would have simply skimmed over my comment and it would have been lost to the void of your reality. Yet, you felt the need to tell me "I do NOT care". Why? What does that even mean? Did you go through all the comments telling people you don't care about what they said? You might want to explore this activity in your life.

[@jebes909090]

If he cared about the fate of humanity he wouldnt be for having so many kids. The worlds resources are strained as hell right now, a few billion less people would be ultimately far more sustainable and environmentally sound.

[@burtmacklin6443]

@@jebes909090 You must have missed the whole population collapse part.

[@s_don57683]

This was a great podcast Chris and I’m glad you’re raising more awareness of population collapse. This guy did lose me at the end about genetic selection as I feel there’s no end to it , he also got super defensive saying “if I don’t have the choice to choose my children’s genes then that’s eugenics 😂”. All in all great conversation

[@agees924]

I will admit, I saw this guy on TikTok and thought he was nuts but he’s actually pretty sensible and has some really good points and ideas.

[@stephaniemanchester-chermo3840]

😂 These aren’t “points” Einstein, these are called FACTS. 😅

[@LostPilgrim]

I'm not sure I agree with him about IVG and genetic altering, but man, Malcolm is brilliant. I get how people may not understand his thinking (he didn't really build up an argument to support a lot of his points) but as someone who has a lot of similar perspectives to him, he articulates and develops the ideas way further and better than I ever could, and it's clear he has a real love of knowledge and does a lot of reading and research to arrive at the points that he does. Definitely gonna look more into him and his work.

[@jaamall]

He seems very spot on with diagnosing the problem, but his solutions are boarder line crazy.

[@marianhunt8899]

He's a zealot.

[@mdlmomma9167]

Seems like he is missing the female perspective.

[@jebaited200]

Please have him again as a guest, his level of enthusiast and amazing fact are very fun to watch and also informative

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

Thanks! I would love to do this show again ... or better yet have my wife!

[@darriusgivans6570]

You have single educated people that have to live with their parents because they can’t even afford rent for a one bedroom apartment.

[@johnboy6594]

You know this and I know this. It’s evident.

[@andradeb2695]

Yep that's me especially living in California

[@funicon3689]

i know married ppl with kids living woth their parents

[@edheldude]

Yeah, colleges produce a lot of losers with no valuable skills. It's a scam for most people.

[@WalkerOne]

"There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs. " Thomas Sowell said this, and it is proven to be more true every day.

[@skylinefever]

I make this point every time someone says something about old fashioned ways as experiements that worked. I argue that they were an economic compromise that people stopped tolerating.

[@uneducatedpeasant2439]

It would be interesting to hear the arguments on the opposing side. Have a Lawrence Anton, Prof. David Benata or Danny Shine as a guest to speak about antinatalism.

[@OlgaKors]

As a pronatalist himself I don't think Chris would invite them

[@jmt2192]

So cool to listen to an interview w Malcolm! His wife, who was interviewed on Manifold podcast by Steve Hsu, is similarly cool. He’s correct about the monoculture. It makes travel somewhat drab. I used to travel with my family a lot as a child and travel felt special and interesting. After college and higher education, travel was limited by a rigorous schedule. In recent years, I’ve been to Europe and Asia again and was surprised/troubled at how similar everything felt to my home, USA. Flying half way around the world for same old, same old was a little soul sucking.

[@yeboscrebo4451]

Totally agree

[@elchucapablas]

You don’t have to travel to see this. Just look at what people are talking about. We are all having the same conversations with very similar problems all around the world

[@nk53nxg]

Thats globalisation for you. The tentacles of trans national business can stretch all around the World. Every city on the planet has a McDonalds or Starbucks, but at least you know what you are getting.

[@bluedragontoybash2463]

maybe because you visit the same place most tourist visit ?

[@TGP109]

I imagine that will change though, given that touristy places always cater to whomever has the most money to travel. Some changes in societies came about simply due to efficiency.

[@lotusfire7478]

Definitely doing my part as a mother of 6 children! All wonderful, beautiful and smart children who walk their own path and doing great things for our world!

[@sen.garyhart4239]

So you have single handedly destroyed the efforts of 3 families in trying to maintain a population capable of existing on this planet without overconsumption. Thank you very much for each and every one of your consuming and defecating children. I'm sure they will all go on to cure cancer some day.

[@lwedel3361]

Me too lol. Just had my 6th and I know they are the best blessing and gift ever. Might even have a few more just to middle finger the eugenicists lol

[@jakebredthauer5100]

What about grandchildren?

[@jakebredthauer5100]

Would polygyny (POLYGYNY) help to give more women a better chance at a better marriage? I believe it would have a significant positive effect on marriage. The problem is that currently it is not legal.

[@feralshojo]

@@jakebredthauer5100 harems are not the answer lol, most people (at least women) actually want a meaningful relationship with a partner, not someone who keeps them alongside other sex pets.

[@bencopeland3560]

This is a great episode. It probably didn’t get much traction as I think most people haven’t even begun the process the truth of this guy’s thesis but he really lays it out excellently

[@charlesmao7743]

As a woman in her early 20’s I would love to marry and have couple of children of my own before 30. But with cost of living, work demands and stress, and not good of people (not all), and of course the society we’re living right now, makes me wondering if I want to bring my children into this cruel world. I am in healthcare and with right track and right cert, I could rise up, but it comes with cost; my mental and physical health. I aware that I have weak body and won’t be able to work vigorously like my colleagues.

[@suezcontours6653]

Nice try using Korea instead of the USA knowing how self destructive they are.

[@ericaulbach]

Don’t give up hope. Find a purpose to give you the reason to live and flourish! 😊

[@baldeagle4710]

You are self aware and I appreciate that. This world sucks, it’s not easy to have a family when you can barely afford housing

[@induchopra3014]

Thought so too. Have married friends. Have friends with boyfriends. You will change. Married today,with one cute cute son. Your child gives you so much joy. More than branded clothes, nice car. Love , family change your priority. Love is sharing Share

[@rad-guidance7]

Unless you are a psychopath, (and you don't seem to be), life takes on a different meaning after children, it isn't easy, and the state of the world shouldn't have an effect on your decision, despite your argument having much sense all the same. I have imagined myself without my children now I'm 53, and it would not have been a pretty picture. That much I'm convinced of.

[@monogramadikt5971]

rich people are panicking that everyday people are opting out of endless slavery and that they will actually have to get their hands dirty with no more slaves left to exploit

[@metaphysicalfractionals4509]

Bingo!

[@ST-ly8uf]

I am worried about my ethno religious group but life sucks

[@elizabethdavis1696]

I would like this guy to have his own KZbin channel and do a video on the population history and future of each country

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

I do, its here. Would love to have move viewers

[@aksjhdbaksjhdbNotASpam]

@@SimoneandMalcolm Well you got one more now :). I think it would help a lot of people to know that if Chris linked to your youtube channel in the description.

[@pongpong123able4]

Very educated and intelligent speaker. I learned a lot from him

[@TGP109]

My Mother worked all her life, starting part time at the age of 14. She and my Dad managed to have 3 children while doing so. The cost of raising children has risen exponentially, as the ''good life'' requires more and more monetary layout. There's also no respect for parenthood any longer, if there ever really was. It's not difficult to see why, in a world where we are bombarded daily with media ''catastrophizing'' about every damn thing, that people feel too stressed to bother reproducing. Peter Singer also believes in infanticide in cases of handicapped children. It's little wonder he loves animals-Heinrich Himmler thought that deer hunting was ''murder'' but of course had no qualms about putting human children through gas chambers.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

I believe that Singer defined selective "infanticide" until age 7.

[@induchopra3014]

Siamese twins? Parents should be given a choice. They have to raise them

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

@@induchopra3014 No child is perfect. Everyone has issues. You live the culture of death wherein your solution to every problem is death. Aren't you glad your parents didn't think as you do.

[@az-tl3mh]

There's also no respect for parenthood any longer. So true. People will find any reason to attack your choice for having kids. Or not. I think it's hyperindividualism and over-inflated egos that's the issue. Any inconvenience to another (like children running in a grocery store) must be snuffed out.

[@skylinefever]

I love when the Idiocracy yeets their idiot kids.

[@otgunz]

Hey I am from Turkey, since Ottomans missed the industrial revolution and it was up to the last century for all the development to be done to catch the developed nations all done in a chore. From villagers to city dwellers with PhD.s. And here we are, I feel a constant extinction. 6 siblings my grandma from my father's, my father had 2 siblings, I am a single child and I was barely able to make a child with my wife in my 36 after 5 years of treatment when I was married to my wife after 7 years of relationship for 8 years when she was born. And she is 1.5 years old now. My wife's brother is 30, single. Out of my 4 cousins only 1 had a child. It is the same for my wife's side. That is extinction, nothing less.

[@suezcontours6653]

Good. Westerners should have less children. The entitlement is unbearable

[@filipesugden1982]

extinction is real, more close than masses think, well masses dont think in that, for now

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

LoL. It's Capitalism. Capitalism gives with one hand and takes with the other.

[@suezcontours6653]

@@VeeKayGreenerGrass Capitalism is to hold MEN accountable. Women are taught to be charitable, generous, and share hence why women tend to lean more Communist.

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

@@suezcontours6653 yes. Women are either independent or interdependent with other women. Men are codependent, so Patriarchy (propped by Capitalism) was put in place to ensure women help them along. This collapse of population is really a collapse of patriarchy.

[@byyouthgonewild]

His giddy seal clap when he got excited 🦭 😂. How does this guy give off wholesome nerd vibes and Bond villain vibes at the same time? 😂 Either way, he had a lot of interesting things to say. Great interview!

[@austinduke8876]

This man is a personification of "Do what you love and you'll never work a day"

[@TonyMidyett]

"My wife and I had to use IVF, because she couldn't get pregnant naturally." Uh, yeah! Because the last time you touched a vagina was when you were born. 😅 If this guy is straight, I'm Napoleon Bonaparte.

[@Snakebloke]

_"'cos, if you spam kids, they're gonna breed like caged panda bears."_ This both made me want to laugh, and cry, in equal measure. Wow. Underrated phrase.

[@Antonocon]

This guy speaks extremely fast. I had to rewind a few times to catch some individual words he says and I was unable a couple of times as the words were not too clear. The automated subtitle generator had less of an idea than me. The information he is sharing is incredible though. I didn't actually want to miss a word.

[@emdo.unlimited555]

In Canada, Justin Trudeau just dismissed parental rights as "far-right" in relation to the province of New Brunswick requiring teachers to tell parents if the kid is trans and requiring parental consent for name & pronoun changes. What incentive is there to have children when the Monoculture heaps all accountability and responsibility on parents while stripping away the concomitant authority?

[@Edo9River]

❤❤❤ I’ve been in Japan for a long. Time and what this guy is saying makes a lot of sense in interpretation of what I see and hear happening with my daughters generation in Tokyo and my former students and the fears oof my advanced English learners families. And they are frightened about this train we’re on. Im not “ frightened” because the situation is beyond what any one can do.. this is part of our destiny. I’ve already completed my assignment.😢

[@A-la-Weiss]

I saw to what extent my mother led an unhappy life.... i don't want that life

[@Thesteadfast]

Sorry but statements like this are strange and sound anti humanity. Think of what your ancestors went through for thousands of years and then tell them...nope too tough in the modern world. Someone else has to carry on our species.

[@skylinefever]

@@Thesteadfast Think of how many ancestors didn't actually want to breed, they just didn't know what made babies.

[@debrawucik826]

Great discussion. Malcolm is a ball of fire and you followed up with really relevant questions.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

This is really troubling, especially with what’s happening to the continuation of various cultures beyond our lifetimes &/or children’s lifetimes!

[@Maoka08]

Ive never heard this good fellow human before, he seems a really happy guy, agreeing with almost all

[@HiddenAbruzzo]

As a parent of 4 children I must say if we need to move the needle with more kids we need to be more encouraging of larger families. It is increasingly difficult for people to even have 1 even 2. Financial incentives, childcare, child benefit allowances etc to help support young families.

[@jorgeenchilada]

100% correct. The cost of raising a child is obscene nowadays. Daycare itself costs thousands and you need two parents working to afford that unless one parent is making 100k+. It's not feasible for the average person given yearly earnings of your average American, or really any other country.

[@rexmann1984]

Ah, yes, free shit fixes everything. 😂😅😂😅😂

[@F_itaca9456]

Give me the acquisitive power of the 70s for all the social classes and all problems are solved instantaneously.

[@rexmann1984]

@@F_itaca9456 is that sarcasm? Because it sounds like sarcasm.

[@HiddenAbruzzo]

Yes well Rex it’s in governments interests to make it easier for people who want to have families to have them. Future tax paying citizens of the state etc. It’s also not free if your taxes pay for it, would rather that my taxes go to helping people raise families than the military industrial complex.

[@DevinQueen]

One of the best episodes of yours I've listened to for sure. You've talked many times about population collapse, but this guest really gives the audience the ability to picture what's really happening and what will eventually happen. I also like how he takes both sides of the political spectrum to task by exposing the low fertility rate in both communities. Keep up the great work.

[@luckyone7878]

" need to save the planet ..." is one of the most destabilizing statements ever ...

[@arminxvs3372]

Reasons imo: On a personal level: Egoism, narcissism, not wanting commitment or responsibilities + screwed up expectations and dating-market (Hook up culture + lifelong project as a kid? Does not go well). On a societal level: Too expensive to have 2-3 kids, unsafe economy, climat, pending wars etc.

[@summerman2]

The interviewer said Having kids is not pleasurable but may be meaningful? It is pleasurable!! Having kids is the best thing ever!!!

[@edheldude]

🎉

[@rolfkrajewski4975]

Having kids is selfish af

[@edheldude]

@@rolfkrajewski4975 You have it backwards. It takes great sacrifice and work to get a great spouse, and to create a healthy and nurturing environment for children. Any mammal can get pregnant but having children is not about just that. Being a miserable consumer who doesn't create anything worthwhile is selfish.

[@rolfkrajewski4975]

​@edheldude that child never asked to be born, you created that child purely for your own selfish desire and amusement and now it has to live through all the suffering and misery in the world.

[@edheldude]

@@rolfkrajewski4975 Suffering is optional, pain is not. Suffering is pain you don't accept, and if you accept it as part of the process of life, you'll see life is benevolent. Misery only exists where love does not. I understand your stance if you're a secular hedonistic nihilist like many people nowadays. It's your choice to be in misery, but there's other options too. And I know suffering - I had cptsd. Now healed.

[@Foxie770]

Wow thank you so much for having this conversation- it’s so incredibly NEEDED!!!

[@culpepperly]

Corporations are discouraged from hiring employees with children as they feel that they won't prioritize their work. This is a large part of the issue.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

Don't hire women then. Wages will increase too, making children more viable.

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

Yes totaly agree! We talk about this all the time.

[@sallyhemings2295]

Anecdotally, they are right! My coworker has 5 kids…he’s out an average of 4 days per month!

[@yofinance1777]

As an employer, this is largely true and not the fault of the parent it’s just true.

[@grapeshot3462]

That's funny because as a single guy I can easily walk away anytime and go work for someone else, or even just not work at all for several months.

[@heyhey439]

My mother had 6 kids. She's so badass and my hero. I'm not her, though. I want to have a family but it doesn't seem realistic at all. I can work hard to take care of her when she is older. That's my main priority.

[@patrickpaterson8785]

This guy's passion makes his case so much more interesting to hear about!

[@arturmontalvao4133]

Simply the best interview, the most cultured, disruptive, lucid, and informative that Chris Williamson conducted

[@SPASTICSTONER]

those were all rapid-fire insights, almost overwhelming. amazing stuff! I especially like the fact he could truly see and understand the moral potential problems, not merely dismissing concerns as an idealist.

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

Thank you for the kind words! So much can go wrong with with any sort of pronatlist effort. Not turning into an evil group is hard not something I can promise but we will try!

[@Bisquick]

@@SimoneandMalcolm (South) Korea was fucking subsidized almost entirely by the US for like 60 years under a military dictatorship lol, up until US sanctions were able to directly cause a famine in North Korea in the 90s at which point it could transform its political facade into a "liberal democracy" aka a more indirect/impersonal bourgeois dictatorship dictated by the will of "the market" (aka finance capital)... Hell, all the "secular Calvinist" silicon valley freaks referenced can only remain profitable with direct government subsidies in the form of military/CIA contracts, ie a direct connection to the spigot of central bank money. Google, Facebook, etc. were all cultivated under In-Q-Tel, the CIA's venture capital fund (as extensively reported by Yasha Levine in Surveillance Valley). A project of technologically assisted surveillance and social control that extends back to the infamous assassination/"enhanced interrogation" Phoenix Program in Vietnam where 80,000+ Vietnamese suspected of VC membership were "neutralized", of whom at least 26,000 were killed, and the rest surrendered or were captured. The only stability afforded to the imperial core of the "full spectrum domination" of the US empire is provided to it by the extraction of value from the global south coupled with its currency hegemony and debt-peonage/resource/labor extraction schemes (the "washington consensus" and "structural adjustment" programs under the IMF/World Bank - international financial institutions created post-WWII at the behest of the US aka US transnational corporate/finance capital), the US positioning itself as the "consumer of last resort" at the end of the global supply chain to absorb inevitable overproduction of capitalism through cheap consumption or of course our favorite activity of war/arms sales (military Keynesianism, the only button we can push clearly). Launching itself to hegemony post-WWII via imposing the Bretton-Woods international financial system with the US dollar as the "global reserve currency" using the leverage of being the only industrialized nation-state _not_ bombed to shit and taking the imperial baton from the British and their pound sterling.... Which is all to say: gee, could it be because capitalism doesn't allow for most working people to be able to afford having kids? Yes, yes, it's that. Fucking duh. Of course a -vulture- venture capitalist wants more workers to be injected into the population as this stabilizes the floor to maintain low wages, conversely on the capitalist side increased profits. You can easily put 2 + 2 together here in a larger context in regards to the fed raising interest rates; the objective of capital in regards to purposely causing a recession a la Volcker shock is to increase the "reserve army of the unemployed", masquerading it as a sort of "objective" technocratic "solution" to price inflation, much like this where the issue of capitalism's inherent class antagonism, inherent falling rates of profit, etc. is completely put off to the side and instead the impetus is placed on workers' supposed moral virtue in supposedly _choosing_ not to have kids (rather the plainly obvious explanation that they can't afford it, as stated earlier): _"Big industry constantly requires a reserve army of unemployed workers for times of overproduction. The main purpose of the bourgeois in relation to the worker is, of course, to have the commodity labour as cheaply as possible, which is only possible when the supply of this commodity is as large as possible in relation to the demand for it, i.e., when the overpopulation is the greatest. Overpopulation is therefore in the interest of the bourgeoisie, and it gives the workers good advice which it knows to be impossible to carry out. Since capital only increases when it employs workers, the increase of capital involves an increase of the proletariat, and, as we have seen, according to the nature of the relation of capital and labour, the increase of the proletariat must proceed relatively even faster. _*_The above theory, however, which is also expressed as a law of nature, that population grows faster than the means of subsistence, is the more welcome to the bourgeois as it silences his conscience, makes hard-heartedness into a moral duty and the consequences of society into the consequences of nature, and finally gives him the opportunity to watch the destruction of the proletariat by starvation as calmly as any other natural event without bestirring himself, and, on the other hand, to regard the misery of the proletariat as its own fault and to punish it."_* Just the massive mounting layers of contradictions inextricable to capitalism's material logic, nothing to see here folks. Do not look at that man behind the thin blood-soaked curtain of US empire - all hail the divine right of "the market"! *_socialism or_* [continued] *_barbarism._*

[@joshuabogert8893]

Listening to this with my newborn makes me feel my decision to have my daughter with my wife feels so much more needed, responsible, and meaningful. I was uncertain at first, however, since she was born, as well as this conversation, it has further convinced me this was the best decision my wife and I made together. I'm so grateful for the community we are in, the people we have circled around us, and I pray and hope we inspire the rest of our families to raise their kids as well.