Why Humans Are Vanishing

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Every two years one million Japanese disappear, China’s population will halve by the end of the century, the median age in Italy has reached 48. All around the world birth rates are crashing - Is humanity dying out? What is going on and how bad is it?
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[@versiable8041]

Great job!

[@rezmoon]

Nicee

[@dinozenz]

You deserve it kurzgesagt!

[@rajveerkanojiya2985]

first

[@Stickyybenzz]

Early

[@BlueFrenzy]

Hot take: the reason why people have less children is not "because magically people stop having children when they stop dying", but that our lifestyle is incompatible with having children. When women were incorportated in the work force, work hours should have been reduced proportionally. We are working more for less, we don't even have time for ourselves, much less for taking care of our children, and most of the basics like home and health has been sequestred for a small portion of the population to live of a chunk of other people's work. Get down to 4 hours of work for both parents to make a living and you will see how suddenly people start having children, because what's needed to nurture children is spending time.

[@edwardbrown3721]

This, something people forget is that overythe course of the 20th century, available hours "doubled" as the half of the population that didn't work before entered the workforce, when there's more supply of something, it gets cheaper, this translated as wages being half of what they could be per hour

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

OH! So it's just a capitalism problem then? Shocker.

[@dopaminecloud]

While this indeed points to a bad system. Having less kids is objectively a good thing. Continuous population growth is stupid and nature teaches us that it leads to only one thing: Mass starvation. I'll take some lonely people not being able to have kids over that any day thank you very much. Don't give me that "oh but that's long in the future" gunk either. I know how shortsighted people are, if population growth isn't managed and respected today, it won't be when it's too late either.

[@angryotter9129]

That UBI would help too. In the US not having access to healthcare or being able to afford university for your children is another roadblock.

[@JasonSmith-jv7wl]

Yeah, started this video and instantly assumed that they will turn this into some sort of mystery when it is a product of capitalism. South Korea in particular is kinda feeling the worst of this so there is absolutely 0 surprise here.

[@dnafnajo3928]

In Korea, if you use parental leave you are excluded from promotion. Doesn’t matter if you’re the father or the mother. No clue why people don’t have kids, right?

[@gracialutonadio342]

That is so ridiculous, how are people meant to live ?

[@HaNyDaBal]

@@gracialutonadio342 Many Korean vested interests are angry that we are a lackadaisical, lazy, and complaining generation because they were able to raise their children faithfully without paternity leave ;(

[@user-iv9ic4qn1z]

Um..It’s not true😅😅

[@ijk8993]

@@user-iv9ic4qn1zno, it’s true

[@hyeweonkim4883]

Well it’s true in many industries. Once you use maternity leave, you’ll be instantly excluded from major projects. Some of my colleagues actually had 3 months or less not to get fired or bc they’re scared to be treated badly after more months passed. For males, you’ll be harassed if you use one 😂

[@lolololgii754]

“The wolves are upset, the sheep won’t reproduce”

[@OmnipotentO]

Exactly. Great way of putting it

[@ccmmenter]

underrated comment

[@lasciviouspaine]

100%

[@user-zd5je2qf9r]

你这是自私自利好吗

[@diasutsman]

The wolves are all higher class who just want to pay a peanut to its workers.

[@davidnguyen661]

The scariest things in the world: -Horror Movies -Darkness -Kurzgesagt talking about a problem

[@RetroAlex125]

SO REAL!

[@yechihonami8079]

Watching a horror movie and then at the end it says “Based on a true story”

[@itsvmmc]

-The Valve guy turning his head around

[@calinho7689]

Being in a war at the frontline has to be the most scary thing.

[@feriswisdom2508]

I’ve tried to binge watch Their existential crisis playlist a dozen times. It can’t be done. Give me a bloody horror movie marathon and I sleep like a baby. 🤣

[@tatocientos]

As a teenager, I always imagined that by age 30 I would've married, owned a house and had all the children I was going have. I turn 30 in 8 days. Haven't done any of those things. I've been with my partner for 7 & a half years. If it was up to us, we would've done all of it already, but neither of us see those things as achievable goals for our near future. Housing is way too expensive and wages are too low. Why have kids when we can't afford to feed them or house them? Much less have the time to raise them since we both work full time just to survive. And without all of that, marriage just seems so pointless... As much as we wish we could start a family, we have no incentive to do so

[@manthe3711]

If Africans living in mud huts can have 7 babies, then so can you.

[@eypxmwgovmifuon7808]

Enjoy the last 8 days of your twenties 🫡

[@BR.]

I have two kindergarden kids. Best thing I did in my life. The maridge collapsed but still we have two wonderfull humans to care for. It will all work out. They really don't need that much money. All they need is parrents that love them and show them they are loved.

[@tatocientos]

@eypxmwgovmifuon7808 Oh, I will! Thank you

[@Sikidd206]

Do you really need an incentive for that

[@ismount]

"Elected governments COULD decide to mostly represent the interests and fear of their elderly populations". Brother, that shit is happening already.

[@ferminurzainqui6845]

Fr. Proposing changes to the pension system is a political suicide

[@comandercarnis]

It's been happening for a very long time.

[@chriss780]

@@ferminurzainqui6845 Good? Before social security when workers in poor communities were too old to work, they would literally be thrown out on the streets to die in the company towns. If you didn't have a big family or a lot of kids to care for you, you would literally be left to die after a lifetime of work. the issue is not old people having enough to live, the issue is capitalism, the issue is landlords and Bezos and musk hoarding more money than god The us spends billions on subsidizing raytheon and having literally hundreds of military basis god knows where the issue is billions in corporate welfare. don't let these neoliberal ghouls tell you the problem is primarily a generational one, and not a class one.

[@ferminurzainqui6845]

@@chriss780 Which part of my comment exactly made you assume my ideology? Just asking...

[@tempest8063]

@@chriss780for a second there o thought you were going to go all “it’s these damn kids who don’t want to work” but nah ur kind of based. Although I do want to propose this thought: It’s not capitalism as much as it is human nature. People are selfish in any economic system and prioritize themselves over others. When the majority of the population is old, they therefore get more priority because they only care about themselves. Not trying to argue, I’m just curious what you think about this

[@VidralliaArchives]

A while back I had the displeasure of listening to a senior citizen (who shall remain unnamed) complain about how young people these days are just so lazy. "By the time I was that age, i AlReAdY hAd A hOuSe." And I'm over here struggling not to blow up and tell them to get a fucking clue. The economy is NOT the same.

[@zayedbinimran957]

nowadays old people are just not accepting the fact that the world has changed so much.

[@ankur1800s]

@@zayedbinimran957 In fairness we will probably act in a similar manner if and when we reach their age. It happens with each generation, I have seen my parents complain about my grandparents and now I complain about my parents. The cycle will just continue.

[@zayedbinimran957]

@@ankur1800s not us. We are gen z. We literally grew up in a world that was constantly changing and as such changes won't impact us as much as the older generations like x and y because in their time change was slow so seeing the world change so fast they couldn't adapt.

[@WaterKirby1994]

The elderly like to victim blame Millennials & Gen Z for the consequences that they themselves created. They worshiped the Greed Machine & made other dumb decisions that harmed us before we were even born.

[@daltonsmith7299]

​@@zayedbinimran957Don't you think that is kind of a closed mindset? I mean with Gen Z starting at 1997, none of them were old enough to remember 9/11. The surge in the middle east had died down before any of them were old enough to enlist. To date, the biggest thing gen Z has had to experience was a pandemic scare that just resulted in staying home for a few months then wearing masks for a year or so. Meanwhile Gen Z's parents and grandparents saw wars the US actually took part in. From Vietnam to the Gulf war to the middle east. Along with watching 9/11 on the TV and wondering if their Gen Z kid was still safe at school. Honestly, in my opinion, most of what Gen Z has gone through the first started turning 18, 9 years ago, pales in comparison to what most previous generations experienced. But hey, there's another 10-20 years till their kids are old enough to make this kind of comment so there's plenty of time for actual major changes.

[@SurajSharmaFourKnob]

Living in Sweden, we have some support when kids are sick or when you need to take parental leave, BUT workplaces take notice of those that have sick kids for longer periods and often and they COMPLAIN and even let that guide their decisions when it comes to who is let go and who is hired. There are so many times I have listened to colleagues and BOSSES complaining to me about other, really good and sweet coworkers about their sick kids and how inefficient it is. I was baffled by this as it is a right by law to have this support AND workplaces are not allowed to let this dictate their decisions, but of course, where there is money involved, it all goes out the window. We are all just “economic growth” for any government.

[@grogn69]

Sweden sounds depressingly a lot like my country, the United States, in this regard...( I'm also a bit surprised!)

[@argfasdfgadfgasdfgsdfgsdfg6351]

But you also have to look at it from the perspective of the founder of a company. If you pay somebody good money to work for you 40h a week, end they end up doing 20 for whatever reason and get the same pay, you'd be upset, too. I'm not saying one should cut child care or anything, but we can also not just accept people not coming to work. There must be a sweet-spot in-between.

[@BillPairaktaridis]

The effect of an aging population is felt very strongly in Greece. For years our politicians have mostly catered to retirees and government employees and that's been enough to get them elected. But the burden of the system has been felt by the younger generation who, for the most part, have just left the country, leaving even fewer people to support the aging population. It's negative feedback loop at this point.

[@ghoulzeta]

Similar in the Czech Republic. Politicians bend over backwards for retirees without giving the younger generations a thought. Young people don't vote because no politician represents their interests. Politicians don't care about young people because they don't vote. It's a cursed loop.

[@sulinardodzobo79]

Same thing is currently happening in my country! Cant wait to get out tho

[@haydencrawford8552]

So the boomers are reaping what they sew.

[@user-hp9ww7ic6q]

Ela Patrida

[@SnazBrigade]

The younger people need to take back their nation from the corrupt upper class or the young will cause their own end through their indifference

[@BombaSoup]

The worst part about this is that it is a vicious circle. The governments will prioritize the elderly majority putting even more strain on the young leading to even less kids and more old people. In my country it is already manifesting by the government spending huge amounts of money to make sure that the pensions keep rising and at the same time they make budget cuts for education and healthcare and do nothing to alleviate the soaring house and rent prices and they can't do anything else because freezing or lowering pensions is a political suicide in a majority old democratic nation. Edit: I am taking about the Czech Republic, but the issues are basically the same everywhere in the West

[@Zaphod42Beeblebrox]

Which country is this?

[@holz_name]

True. Look at Japan. The elderly are literally destroying the future of young people and thus the future of Japan itself. The young Japanese already given up and stopped voting. Which of course lets the ruling party in power and they pour tax money into the elderly. In 2015 age group 20s was already as low as 30% voter turnout, age 60 was 70% study published in Springer Nature.

[@peterknutsen3070]

Denmark had been a gerontocracy for decades, and things aren't going to improve. Problems that mainly plague young people, including the lack of affordable rental housing, is consistently ignored.

[@Khunark]

how the hell would it lead to more old people? do you think that old people multiply if you feed them?

[@holz_name]

@@Khunark yes, kind off. People get older if you feed them, so by feeding you get more old people. Every year you get more and more old people.

[@Vinn0]

When would you even have the time to properly raise a kid when 1 job in the family isn't close to maintain them.

[@samueleveleigh2767]

It's important to note that alot of the fear around declining birth rates are coming from companies who relie very much on cheap labour and threats that you are replacable

[@alien6824]

My guy the video also emphasized the importance of raising wages and subsidizing families. Starting to think not all of you finished the video before commenting on it

[@jirik8483]

That companies will fix it by bringing immigrants to your country, don't worry...

[@TimeBucks]

The lack of pay increase but massive spike in spending

[@user-om1tu8ur3m]

Good

[@maharali7393]

Good

[@xaeha5926]

분수에 안맞는 소비 정도로 하자

[@aprilbaby51999]

Nice

[@aravshorts314]

👍

[@mchauhan4]

"Parenthood needs to stop being a career obstacle. Our cultures need to become more positive towards families." -- utterly utterly important message.

[@josephp9141]

Well babies require 24/7 attention and nana isn’t really a thing in Korea. Even if it was, no one would be able to afford it. It’s not a cultural obstacle of who gets to be the bread winner, it’s because the reality is they can’t even buy a 2bedroom apartment let alone have money to raise a child. It’s impossible to become independent from your parents working a normal office job.

[@obviouslyaintdimitri]

hee hee hee haw

[@jcheck1107]

@@josephp9141do you mind expanding on what you mean by “nana isn’t really a thing”?

[@DelbertTheFifth]

​@@jcheck1107Nana as in person who takes care of your children. A baby sitter but instead lives in your house for as long as you pay them.

[@phoenixfire9062]

petition for you to edit your comment to, "utterly utterly important message message."

[@deathhog]

"Why wouldn't this be the problem we can't solve". Because at a certain point, we are going to hit the threshold where we are putting too much money into taking care of the elderly, dealing with crumbling infrastructure, and no spare income for raising kids. The longer we put this off, the more drastic the measures we will have to put in place. To be blunt, i don't think anyone in my generation will get to retire. We will have to work until we die to cover the burdens.Whether that means we die earlier, or work longer, is somewhat immaterial i suppose.

[@Chefian23]

This video makes think that the traditions of community that we lost were more important than we realized.

[@flow185]

Its not even just the traditions Its the communities themselved

[@botanicalitus4194]

Humans were never ever meant to raise children alone. We EVOLVED to raise them communally, the way we see with other primates. PrimatefemaIes help each other and travel together all the time when they have chiIdren, humans are supposed to be the same. Create a tight knit community where we all help each other out and take care of each other. These countries that are still having good birth rates also have very tight knit communities

[@Learning-so2uo]

its too late, those communities were weaved through generations - and they can't just be recreated as easily

[@eldestroyer5573]

Traditions were what connected the community

[@gyeongchankim5423]

As a Korean, one of the main reason for rapid fall of birth rate is that the idea of "If we cannot make our children happy, then it is better to not give birth to them" has become so common among the young people in Korea. It is of course an obligation for parents to try their best for their children's happy juvenile life, but the thing is that typicaly Koreans have large focus on economic well-being as a prerequisite for happy life, which not many could attain the general standards for wealthy life.

[@marcv2648]

The bigger picture here is that the West is trying to soften you up into accepting multi-national immigrants. Keep your wits about you.

[@Phuonganhnguyent]

I'm Vietnamese and share the same belief, for I've witnessed the suffering of small children more than usual due to poverty and abuse.

[@rachelwrizz]

yeah, I agree. I think their education has a big part on this whole phenomenon too. Education in Korea is very old fashioned, it's all about printing the same kind human resources like a machine. Young people compete endlessly not knowing why. As a Korean American who spent most of my teen years in Korea, that system broke me. Individuality is completely ignored, and the only way to be acknowledged is getting into a good college. Not surprising to see that this country has the highest suicidal rate, along with decrease in birth rate. Life is brutal there.

[@fyka-sc1968]

The same here in China

[@user-fy5si7kr7p]

돈이 몰리는 곳에 답이있다. 돈이 없어서 애를 낳고싶어도 못낳는 사람이 있는가 하면, 돈이 넘치게 많아도 애를 낳지 않는 사람도 많다. 자본주의 구조 상 한 나라의 자본 90%를 아주 소수의 부자들이 차지할 수 있다. 그러면 그 부자들은 나머지 인구의 출산율을 책임져줄 수 있나? 부자들이 돈을 거머쥔 만큼 아이도 많이 낳아야 해결될 것이다. 예를 들어 삼성가 등 재벌은 최소 10명이상 아이를 낳아야한다던지 등등.... 하지만 법적으로 강제성을 주지 않으면 해결되지 않겠지.

[@thecreatornooj1328]

I'm nearly 24 and my parents would have expected me to settle down and support a family by now had the world been an affordable place to live. But kids are expensive and at this present moment I literally have $24 in my bank accounts, and I get paid next week. Living on my own is impossible, I live with two roommates with similar incomes. This economy is nightmarish. I work 34 hours a week and I'm also a student. I'm bogged down trying to build a successful life in a world that seems hellbent on failing. Everyone in power is obsessed with hate and greed. Not to mention they're old enough that they'll die before they see the consequences of their actions. It feels pretty bleak.

[@Lone_Star86]

Turn on tune in drop out - Tim o Leary

[@EnzoGarabatos]

Courage mate, you will overcome it.

[@SlothF004]

"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus -- and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it -- that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all!!" Mario Savio, 1964

[@bluemarvel5970]

@@EnzoGarabatos That's easy enough to say until a certain point. When does "overcoming it" stop being viable? I'd argue in many countries we've already passed that point. Almost everything is getting worse; pay is insufficient; housing are way too expensive; food prices going up whilst inflation and shrinkflation gives us even less buying power; college costs a lifetime of debt for many of us; I can go on. Yeah sure, somethings are better now than in the past but to be honest I would rather have been young 60 years ago.

[@joshvandyke1723]

Raising a kid isn't as expensive as they scare you into thinking it is. Take it from a dad.

[@Glory005]

A central problem is that the wealth in society is held by the old, whereas in order to justify kids, young people need affordable housing with lots of space, and income security. Speeding up intergenerational wealth transfer, especially of real estate, is key to population sustainability.

[@eggseed6543]

I don't think I want to bring a child to a cruel world like this one

[@kaintshine]

I am a father in America that was fired when I took a week off of work to nurse my wife post pregnancy. A real story to consider in your assumptions.

[@SGames69]

I am sorry.Yeah its America - whose dream is a nightmare.

[@dennisengelen2517]

This is why I laugh in European when anyone calls the US a developed country 😂

[@JakeRuzi]

@@Paulito2026 good point

[@xriot1752]

@@dennisengelen2517 the "undeveloped" country that protects you 🤣

[@wkkowrld]

​@@Paulito2026 No.

[@empyreandemi]

Had this convo with my friend yesterday, what her and I concluded is that its damn near impossible to raise a child effectively and work. And knowing South Korea's work culture, I think our conclusion holds up pretty well.

[@PJ-oe6eu]

What I wonder is, why doesn't this hold true for countries that don't see as many working hours on average? It seems to help somewhat but it doesn't seem to fix it unless these countries simply haven't gone far enough?

[@Jeffcrocodile]

@@PJ-oe6eu there's a lot of countries that cheat the system, they import people from other countries that tend to have a lot of kids as soon as they get there and see their living standards raise. It's not that simple. France is probably the best example of this, they fixed their baby problem by importing people.

[@isaacturner197]

@@PJ-oe6eu That's due to the simple cost of a child. For all the happiness that a child can bring for a family, they are also absolutely giant financial losses. Think of everything you need to pay for your child. Food, diapers, baby sitters if you (and/or your partner) don't have the time to be with your kid 24/7 and can't bring em to work, schooling which gets very expensive very fucking fast, a larger home if you don't already have a house that can support an extra addition to the family which means more rent to pay. That's only some of the issues and that's without going into the fact that half of these things listed will be twice as expensive by the time your child needs it due to shit getting more expensive but wages not growing to compensate for that growth. Also this is all assuming that your child is behaves and doesn't get into and trouble as a teenager (Or at any age really) which causes more financial issues, such as stealing, getting expelled from school, damaging property, etc. Along aside all of this is the general stress of raising a child, the early months (and to some extent years) are extremely rough. Being woken up late at night due to your baby crying, leading to less sleep, your child being a picky eater or needing specific things done to get children to sleep (I for example had to put into the car and then driven around before I fell asleep most of the time according to my parents.) and just the general amount of things that a child that doesn't know that some things are fragile and can break without meaning to, such as vases, anything ceramic, glass wear, etc.

[@DieWeltalsWilleundVorstellung]

내 생각에는 여자들때문임. 성별갈등 조장하는 문재인 정부에 대한 20대 여성 지지율이 70퍼센트였음. pc주의 유행하니까 본인들이 계몽한 것처럼 군가산점 폐지하고 치안 세계에서 손에 꼽을 정도로 좋은 나라에서 "한국 남성이 잠재적 범죄자라느니 몰카가 어디에 있다느니 선동당해서 헛소리만 하다가 이제와서는 성별갈등 조장하지 말라고 말 바꾸고 이상한 사상 그득해서 더치페이하면 가성비 여친이다, 사랑하면 남자가 다 낸다 이런식으로 가스라이팅하는 글들이 여자들 메이저한 흐름인데 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아이들을 풍족하게 키우고 싶다 이런 말 하면서 본인들이 오마카세 파인다이닝 찾아다니고 해외여행 가는 게 말이 됨? 그리고 심지어 한국여자 초혼 연령도 30대 초중반임. 결국 남자들은 20대에 군대 2년 갔다오고 공대에서 공부하는동안 여자들은 군에서 복무하는 남자들 조롱하며 20대에 놀거 다 놀고 그동안 자기계발한 경제적으로 풍족한 남자를 찾는거잖음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. 그니까 결국 "너드남"이 유행하는건 그냥 능력 있고 순진한 남자를 잡아서 편하게 살겠다는 마인드에서 비롯한거임. 경제적으로 풍족하지 못해서 아이를 못 낳는다 이건 그냥 돈을 버는대로 다 써놓고 돈을 못 모으겠다고 불평하는 거임. 우리나라의 경제적 수준은 출산율이 하락하기 전이나 후나 비슷한데 남여 갈등 이후로 출산율이 확 낮아짐. 왜? 여자들 대다수가 선동당해서 위의 본문처럼 사니까. 심지어는 페미니스트 교수가 한국의 남성을 벌레에 비유하고 남자아이를 '한국남자유충'이라고 칭하는 반인륜적인 논문이 등재됐는데 20대 여성 대다수가 페미니스트인 한국에서 어떻게 아이를 낳을 생각을 할 수 있겠음? 유교문화를 철폐하고 스스로 진취적인 여성이라고 생각했는데 현실은 가정적이지도 못하고 능력도 없고 얼굴은 몽골 DNA가득해서 남성적인 외모를 어떻게든 성형해서 여자답게 보이는 이도저도 아닌 여자가 바로 한국여자 아님? 옆나라 일본의 "여자력"을 보고 여성인권이 낮다고 비난하고 귀엽고 여성스러운 행동을 보고 "유아퇴행"이라고 비난하는 한국여자는 어떤 모습임? 걸크러쉬? 걸크러쉬를 내세우지만 범죄진압은 못하는 여경? 결혼할 능력이 없는 걸 비혼주의로 포장하고 혼자 늙어가는 모습? 대부분의 남성이 성매매를 한다고 날조해서 비난하지만 기생으로 살던 조선인의 피를 잊지 못하고 미국에서 성매매 여성 국적의 23%를 차지한 한국 여성? 조만간 인구 절벽으로 인해 여성들도 남성들과 함께 판문점에 서서 북괴에 맞서는 날이 오길 기원합니다^^ 한국 여자의 논리: 한국은 매일 여자가 죽기 때문에 한국 남자는 잠재적 범죄자이며 여성혐오자다. 난 편하고 안전한 일을 할 것이지만 돈은 고층빌딩의 외벽을 청소하는 남자만큼 줘라. 아이를 낳을 권리는 나에게 있으므로 너희들이 여성들의 요구에 따르지 않는다면 나는 비혼주의를 선언할 것이다. 물론 차은우가 강남의 건물과 명품 가방을 가지고 프로포즈 한다면 없던 일로 하고 결혼을 할 것이다.

[@infoprod7731]

Koreans work 40 hours - but only in theory.

[@TehGhostWhoPlay]

“Out of all the challenges we once solved, why would this be the one we can’t solve?” Is actually a pretty good way to motivate people

[@Serlock4869]

Yeah, but maybe not solved before a catastrophic events

[@EkaterinaOlegovna]

Great video and content! Just subscribed and i'm very excited to see more!

[@LarvaMovies-9898]

I think it's also important to note that people want to have kids, but housing and healthcare costs are so unbearable that it's literally impractical for them to have more than one. This rings true for most of Europe, as well as places like Hong Kong and Korea.

[@corona__virus]

All Developed countries

[@Daria-pg2yk]

I think housing and healthcare costs are not that much worse than say 70-100 years ago, it’s just that we have different standards now (which is not a bad thing at all), we have better control over our fertility and most parents/potential parents are trying to be responsible with the choices we make for our kids. My grandma grew up with 4 siblings in a small 2-room flat in the 50s and it was nothing unusual back then in the USSR, but who would consciously decide to have 5 kids in a tiny apartment nowadays?

[@user-lt4ok3se7v]

Korea has good medical welfare. The majority of Koreans worry about housing and education expenses.

[@user-co5ri6dp3c]

Are there apartments for single people in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia? There aren't that many, right? If they are 30 years old and unmarried, they are probably living with their parents. The same goes for southern Europe.

[@stalkervalley]

Jews back at it

[@MarsAres]

Something that I'm disappointed wasn't touched on is the financial deficit of having children. it's becoming increasingly more expensive to live in the western world as salaries have not increased to match, and children are incredibly expensive to have. Until the cost of living vs average salary goes back to what it was like pre 2008, having children is just straight up bad to do financially.

[@muradm7748]

our ancestors lived $1 a day and had 12 children, stop buying useless shit and looking for houses in expensive places.

[@icampos89]

@@muradm7748 Our ancestors developed different superstitions to keep populations down because they couldn't afford large families. It is only since the industrial revolution that large families started to be a thing. Why do you think the world population didn't change much between 10,000BCE and 1,500CE.

[@epicsomethin1635]

Your 1 pound a day is now worth at least £12 now, stop blaming the younger generation and learn how inflation works

[@epicsomethin1635]

Also housing prices and advertising dont help the situation

[@bigs42069]

because people die? check the mortality rate bozo.@@icampos89

[@mindyschaper]

Amazing and thorough video.

[@palamecianrider7385]

The Philippines being at 2.7 checks out. 2-3 kids is usually the standard my coworkers usually ended up with but still have the work life balance necessary to encourage happy families.

[@parafitality2730]

In Australia, 1 day of childcare costs ~70% of the amount my partner earns in a day so it's literally a choice between either career or having kids but not both.

[@Ag89q43G0HyA]

I rather eat and have somewhere to sleep. So, if we collapse, would be a great hit to the gob.

[@xrfa7422]

Most people chose the lifestyle. Money is the most important thing in Western cultures. The official religions are "workism" and "wokeism."

[@Ri1si]

How do we explain that developing third world countries birth rates are skyrocketing? Its an universal trend that birth rates plummet the better off a country is economically. We could blame capitalism but this system has given us all the luxuries and freedoms that we have. Id argue that its not an issue of time or money. We have all the time and money in the world compared to some people living in absolute poverty.

[@LittleTea62]

Holy shit i live in this country

[@andthefunkybunch1466]

I'm in Australia, my wife works retail, and after government rebate or childcare costs about $40 for the day, so only about 25%. Are you sending your kids to some super fancy ELC or does your partner earn less than minimum wage?

[@mahwaboem]

I'm a high school student in Korea, and I have midterm coming up in a few days. I spend more than half of my day studying, including school routines and hagwon every day, but I can't feel much value from the knowledge I've learned like that. That is nothing more than a tool for competition. I am tired of the fierce tests and competition that are repeated every semester. The fact that my child will have to go through this competition in the future is appalling. In fact, in a survey of class children in my school, most students, except a few, said they don't want to have children in the future, and one of the reasons was the fierce competition structure mentioned earlier. Everyone talks as if the world is over if they don't get to college, and they value only profits and stability while ignoring individual talents and aptitudes. Many foreign media, including this video, point to the problem of low birth rate in Korea and its causes, but the Korean political community is sitting on the sidelines of the worsening problem. How sad it is.

[@user-kt1iy3sb9d]

ㄹㅇ 나도 그리 생각해서 낳기가 싫다 중간고사....하...ㅠㅠㅠ 왜 방관만하고 개선할생각 안하는지 세금만 훔쳐먹고

[@jiyun-wj1gr]

대학교도 지금 개박살나는중임

[@ahn155]

Korean Women's Statistics No. 1 in traveling prostitution in the world No. 1 in renewed abortions No. 1 in STDs in history (4 times more than men) Lowest material index No. 1 in luxury consumption No. 1 birth rate in old age No. 1 in divorce rate Asia No. 1 in newborns with disabilities 28.5 percent. It's not a matter of fertility, and most Korean men have no intention of marrying or even dating Korean women. In a country with 1.2 million traveling prostitutes, an STD rate of more than 50 percent, and more than 1 million women having abortions a year, there are no more men willing to make the world's most expensive contract and lose their entire life savings.

[@user-nb4ly2ue8h]

근데 사실 우리만 그런건 아님. 인도 중국은 우리보다 더 심하다고 들음. 그냥 우리가 출산 안하고 싶다고 하는거는 인스타때문에라는 데에 동의함. 너무 상향평준화된거로 보이니까.

[@user-nm6wp3mw1y]

학교의 공부에서 가치를 느끼지못하는 것에 백배 공감합니다. 그저 경쟁을 위한 도구이고 자신의 길에 그 지식이 필요하지않다면 경쟁만을 불러일으키기에 학생들은 가치를 느끼지 못합니다. 학생들이 하고싶은걸 찾아야하는 나이에 좁은 상황에 갇혀 아주 가치가 없는 것은 아니지만, 가치가 없다고 느낄만한 지식을 머리에 우겨넣는데... 그들이 어른이되면 어떤 행동을 하기전에 그 행동에 대한 가치를 여러번 생각하고 판단하며 예민하게 행동하게 되기에 어떤것이든 보수적으로 받아들이게 되는 것 같습니다...

[@MuthuKumaran-hb6ku]

Wonderfully made & summarized!

[@AtomicMagnetGaming]

i literally binge watch on these lol

[@sabin_4bin]

I am a Korean student. Currently, Korea does not regard the low birth rate as a major social disaster, even though it is serious. I've been taught about low birth rates since elementary school, but the only thing that changed was the declining birth rate..

[@zee9709]

yeah, the boomer don't care

[@minhkhangtran6948]

kinda make sense, a lot of rich people over there are old, and old people don't care much about *having kid*, than they just demanding other people to have one.

[@Mister_9]

Maybe Korean employers should not be biased against women taking maternity leave and the government should make military service for women mandatory as well.

[@user-hz3rc1vv6i]

그냥 해외취업 후 이민 생각중 한국은 살 만한 나라가 아니다

[@comlitbeta7532]

Same thing with climate change really

[@gaem_sung2152]

As a student who is facing the CSAT (Korean college entrance exam) literally 6 weeks later, one of the main factors affecting the drastic birth rate in Korea is the overcompetition for higher education which stresses both parents and students immensly throughout the upbringing of children. Due to Korea's historical Confucianistic values and the unique context of the steep economic growth post-korean war period, Korea's society places immense societal importance and value on one's educational background, and this creates an education system which mostly focuses around getting students to excel in the csat through their 12 years of school life. This in result creates a growing private education sector worth more than 20 billion dollars, students lifestyle being turned into a repetitive cycle comprised only of only school, tuition centres/academy and sleep, creating the highest youth suicide rates among OECD nations and lowest happiness levels. In my own case, our family used to spend more than $1500 monthly on private education for me and my brother, a sum thats about 20% of our montly income (which is probably somewhere in the upper middle class region) and this is considered to be not much compared to the Daechi Kids (Daechi being an area in Seoul, considered to be the private education centre of Korea), whose parents spend thousands of dollars for their children to try and get a good score in the csat so that they can go to medical schools. This really creates a never ending cycle of stress, with students being suicidal and parents having to cope with the ever increasing education fees, which in return places even more importance in having to get into college to fulfill society's expectations and to overcome the increasing competition. This cycle affects all sorts of things like employment, housing prices and etc, and really creates an atmosphere where one feels unprepared to have children unless they have the economic background to support their children in winning the competition. In my own opinion, I really wouldn't want to have children in Korea as I would feel as if having wronged them by making them grow up in a reality that probably is going to be even more stressful than my past 12 years of school.

[@user-rn3zd6rw1k]

수능 6주 전이라도 쿠작은 못참지

[@Bee...Born...Bean222]

​@@user-rn3zd6rw1k맞긴 해ㅋㅋㅋ

[@MGKTLGLDLG]

고3ㅎㅇ?

[@Regian]

You sound like chat GPT, good luck on your test

[@gaem_sung2152]

@@user-rn3zd6rw1k 히힣... 고3 셤기간에 (의미 ㅈ도 없지만) 기숙사에서 시청하고 있는 내 인생이 레전드

[@farzbz987]

I'm still 23, and honestly I don't know how you guys above me feels like. But here's my take about livings, after I contemplating myself not long after both of my parents death. The 'success' goal of people is having a new place to live and work with their own expectations, while it's kind of hard these days. Most of companies focuses much on health and technology developments. Well of course, normally, I can't say this because I'm also working on tech industry. But then, people feel like working at food ingredients aren't that cool. So there are less people working at food sources industry, and that means, less food resources. I mean, my hometown was having a rice field, big rice field there. It's now a residential area. People feels like they eager to stay at their parent's house for some time when they're at the work age, so they got to move out, instead of renovate their parents house to have more rooms to live. So they need to buy new things they have in their childhood home. And that also means, they need a new land to place. My late mother said that she wanted to renovate our house so if me or my younger siblings having a family, we don't have to move out and stay at there instead of moving out. And about health care, it's the one that I still agree for development grow. While it's true that new disease will likely to come, and they need professionals to treat. The *real* professionals. I'm still seeing the hospitals full of people here. And I am the witness of misdiagnosed patients. I talked to some other that the doctors checked up the unrelated part of their illness. And it's still true that the price of that hospital is high. I know the operating cost of some devices are expensive but not all of them should have the similar price. Probably I choose the wrong hospital if I'm still ranting about it. Haven't checked other than 3 that I still came to. I think if we can balance between technology developments, more place to grow food resources, and the idea of not being shy about staying in parent's house, it'll make us easier to live. But then, I'm still too young to think about it. And I wrote this while I'm still grieving about them. I don't know how do you guys older than me think about it too. It's just my personal opinion. I'm just wishing that I'll have better life than today, and have a happy, healthy family with good enough pay to live. I'm wishing for you all too. I can't do it myself, I know, as I'm just a normal guy working in a small company. Neither you too. But there's more people than us that'll have the chance to do it. It's society, not living personally.

[@main.ignisha]

_EDIT:_ I'm sorry everyone, my information is completely outdated and no longer correct! If I remember correctly, S Korea's college entry exams only allows you a total of _TWO TRIES_ before they write you off as hopeless and you're doomed to a life of low-income job(s), and they also have age restrictions as well. Which was why my dad left in his mid, late 20s to Hawaii, since the USA allows entry to college at any time, at any age, with near unlimited chances.

[@sunparis900]

That's wrong information. Korean college entrance exams are open indefinitely until they die. College exams are open once a year.

[@user-ou2yl6yc7e]

Yes, it's misinformation. The opportunity itself is unlimited, and I actually take several tests and go to the university I want. There's no stigma, it just delays my mood and my employment period

[@main.ignisha]

Oh wow, looks like many things have changed since my dad left Korea! That's awesome! Keep going guys!

[@andrew10022]

Some middle eastern country only allow you to one chance to enter their free federal colleges and if you fail, your SOL until after one years has passed. You can still enter a private college but they are not seen as well, and now your paying money instead of it being free.

[@ginick]

Respect for saying that this information is outdated

[@jacobsmith-te3zu]

South Korea was initially projected to have a fertility rate of 0.6 in 2035, but achieved it 10 years ahead of schedule, a feat that is unprecedented in the world.

[@Hfsm33]

Yeah and I feel like the predictions are very optimistic, many countries will probably fall below 2.0 faster then expected.

[@minni3723]

We just don’t wanna pop out babies it’s soo Ugh

[@chriscintron3320]

hell yeah we be setting records in something

[@lushomosibayumba9519]

​@@minni3723yup mini me seems torturous

[@FZJanimated]

they really need to improve their work and social problems. many south koreans are leaving and we have a big community of south koreans here in argentina. most of them have kids here. on average they have 2-3. for what they told me is that they were so stressed out in korea and in argentina they have alot more of free time and they love our food too. specially red meat and fruits that are too expensive in south korea but here in argentina is super cheap for them. they have waaaay more free time to relax and enjoy themself here.

[@Tcg8136]

The housing market explains 75% of this trend. My father as a high school graduate, was able to afford a good house with 30 month of his wage. Today as a PhD I cannot buy same house for 600 months of my current wage. Same goes for rents...

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

Yup. If people can't afford to live, then they won't want to bring a family into the world until they feel stable. If people want 2.5 children, they would be having them. So why aren't they? Because they can't afford them. Housing being the most expensive reason, then the loss of income for a parent to stay home. Improve working conditions for people, reduce the working week/hours and fix the housing problem. Stop importing more people to prop up a broken system.

[@isaacturner197]

Yeah housing has gotten stupidly expensive.

[@JohnBrekke]

This is exactly my main reason

[@Kabdoli]

Very true, actually

[@goldeternal]

well there are more humans around compared to when your dad was a whipper snapper, and they all want a house, also now houses are affordable only to families and couples

[@derin647]

As a younger person I’m terrified of what the generation after us will have to deal with. I’m worried if I put kids into this world what will happen to them.

[@livbusy4629]

I think bus ride will subject to market rule such as supply and demand too, so I’m being pretty optimistic that at some point the demand is high price is fit and they will come back

[@VarsVerum]

Korea is basically the textbook example of what happens when living an ordinary, simple life is regarded as failure. I’m Korean but glad my parents didn’t put me through all that.

[@snekky3415]

Vars?? What are you doing here

[@jaeno1629]

When a top 10 or atleast 20 percent out of population is considered 'normal' And if you're not 'normal' you deserved to be mistreated and looked downed constantly No wonder people stopped making kids and been killing themselves more than anywhere

[@Rafael96xD]

If you can, emigrate to Latin America, we have good food, housing and good life quality... (if you dont get killed by robbers), but its mostly calmer here.

[@bapbirb]

My parents didnt pressure me like that as well (like telling me to be better and work harder) but I still ended up being a depressed loser because societal expectations and pressures exist outside of parenting style. Im heavily affected by that more than I'd like to be.

[@VarsVerum]

@@bapbirb They raised me to be prepared for societal expectations and pressures, rather than pushing those very expectations and pressures on me. They taught me discipline and good work ethic so that when I encountered those pressures and expectations I would be ready for them. It's not that they let me relax and stuff.

[@maisydog]

Personally the biggest blocker for me as someone with a wonderful partner, both of us working decent jobs and wanting to have a family is the cost of housing and child expenses. I feel that without a large enough house to comfortably accommodate the two children we would like, we need to get into better paying positions for that to happen which means having kids later which limits opportunity. And as said in the video, I want us both to be present in raising our children which means at least one of us would need to either change to working from home or give up on a career. I dont care about my career more than family but we both need to earn to support a family so not sure when would even be a good time. It's troubling to think about.

[@Mister_9]

Just wait a few more years, I'm sure the economy will improve for the middle class, will it?

[@princesslemmy]

So basically the reason for no children is due to capatlism you heard it here

[@sniedendepoes]

Meanwhile poor people shit out 8 kids lol. Just spend less on luxuries

[@justyce_yt]

​​@@princesslemmy😒 Capitalism isn't the issue, in America at least.

[@mattia_carciola]

Don't worry, it's comparably bad for people who are single and can't afford any housing better than renting a room with random people because of the single income. It seems that the only sustainable life is bound to have one partner with no child, no more and no less.

[@Diabetic_Outdoors]

I see this on a local scale in my town Schools are being shut down the plans to build new high schools vetoed by elderly because our prices to live here are so high, my teachers are all from out of town. There are elderly homes piping up left and right also.

[@wyz4rd]

3:15 Goran Bregovic? I see that kurzgesagt is really well informed about the awesome ex-yugoslavian rock music scene!

[@MaiSakurajoestar]

I used to have a friend that said, “I don’t even want to take care of myself, let alone a family.” And the more time goes on, the more I’m starting to agree.

[@user-ji1jg8bc5g]

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagA man in Korea has to spend more than a year and a half without pay in the military. But in Korean society, the treatment of soldiers is treated like street dogs. And when you get married, a man has to buy a house, which costs more than $400,000. $400,000 at 30 and serving in the military service? Is this practically possible? But if you don't do this, you're a failure in society

[@user-ji1jg8bc5g]

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagIn fact, the crime rate in Korea is the lowest in the world. This person doesn't tell the truth.

[@antonioc.5778]

​​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagHonestly it sounds terrible for both genders, it's ridiculous they make men waste 2 years in the most important moment of their lives to the military. Oh you don't want to do it? social rejection, continually being humiliated and basically no job is waiting for you

[@Arcadianx98]

So laziness

[@flamingaish]

​@@Arcadianx98sure, genius.

[@ORO323]

Literally the case in many countries is the lack of affordability. Here in the US housing is expensive. Many young people are still living with their parents or are opting to renting an apartment. Healthcare is a joke. One visit to the hospital/ER can financially bankrupt you. Many women/mothers don't receive substantial benefits such as lengthy maternity leaves. Access to daycare services is expensive. Food is getting more expensive. Higher education is expensive. The idea of having a single child right now sounds like a nightmare.

[@koy540]

That is fundamentally wrong. It is the perception of affordability and the choice by individuals, more specifically women, to not sacrifice any amount of quality of life to have kids. A generation of unparalleled wealth and quality of life can't have kids because they are addicted to everything being perfect and easy. I am tired of people making the affordability excuse, the data says its wrong. Stop making this argument.

[@TowaruTsura]

@@koy540 Can you provide this data? Yea, didn't think so.

[@chestnutters9504]

​@@koy540seconded, the economy had undergone a massive shift over the past three years, 29% are doing remote or hybrid work, 40% have the option to do either and yet there's still no baby boom and people are still complaining about the cost of childcare. Women just don't want children anymore, period 🤷‍♀️

[@clodsire_]

@@koy540 That is a huge generalization. And I'm not sure why you are saying affordability isn't an issue when it is. Look at the average wage as a proportion of the average rent from the 1980s and compare that with 2023 if you need proof.

[@sanriosonderweg]

And it should be obvious that any country facing such problems is full.

[@Yes-ig1tu]

Another reason people in the U.S is having less children in the more populated city regions, like nyc, is because housing prices and living expenses in general have been skyrocketing due to inflation. Many feel like they can’t afford to have children as it’s hard to make enough for themselves already.

[@ellavictoria6517]

This reminds me of some social experiment related to rats! Where they gave rats everything they needed with no predators, eventually there was so many rats they began to fight and stop having kids. This sort of reminds me of the experiment.

[@championa15]

As a Bulgarian, I find the phrase used on 3:18 "Да ти върви по вода!" which is translated literally as "Hopefully it will flow as the water" spot on! Many Bulgarians use it often to say goodbye to their relatives.

[@ivetgeorgieva8888]

I was so surprised to see that, I wasn't expecting to find a bulgarian saying in this kind of video.

[@henryr9346]

thanks for the fact!

[@trireme5276]

Same here in Turkey, we say "yolun su gibi açık olsun"(may your way be open like flowing water) then spill water after someone who leaves.

[@WackoMcGoose]

I was hoping someone would translate that! I know fragments of Ukrainian, Russian, and Polish, but not enough to be functional in any of them yet...

[@MewPurPur]

@@WackoMcGoose A more literal translation is "I hope it goes smoothly" Well Bulgaria has been the fastest-shrinking nation for a while, so makes sense this is the video it debuts in :P

[@ketanpethe5982]

As a 24 Year old South Asian, recently I was getting exceptionally concerned about how life will play out. In a vast variety of worries. This video has brought me some much needed peace and reassurances. Thank you, Birbs!

[@erichodge567]

I hope you're being sarcastic, because there was absolutely nothing reassuring in this video. Nothing at all.

[@mohdadeeb1829]

​@@erichodge567 India is a very overpopulated country. Especially the north. In Uttar Pradesh, more than 240 million people live in an area about the size of Germany which itself is a very overpopulated country.

[@shannonconnor3697]

I love this video. Subtley pushes you in the right direction ideologically without actually pressuring anybody to change their minds. "Want more kids conservatives? Maybe we should invest in social programs? Just maybe... Think about it?"

[@sweetnesscanwin589]

They miss the main point which is that, although the world gets richer and richer, only a minority benefit and most get poorer. We don't need wild new policies, just proper pay

[@Lucas-ck1po]

Its mostly about income: My father bought himself the large house they raised me and my sister with a job as a technician. Today, both me and my syster have graduations, full time jobs and still can't even dream of being able to purchase a house. Houses in my country spiked from 180 to 900K on average in less than a single generation. In all, we can't afford shit, surviving without burdening our parents past our 30's is already a dream, let alone having everything my parents had at 24's.

[@Oliver-wv4bd]

Which country do you live in may I ask?

[@niveketihw1897]

I'm not discounting the high demand for real estate... but... My father was born in 1942 and grew up right smack in the middle of middle class. Middle class meant he grew up in a 10' x 11' room with two brothers, all three sharing the same bedroom, meant he had to pay his way through college -- which wasn't that hard because tuition hadn't exploded in price (primarily due to the steady stream of easy-to-obtain government loans), meant they took one vacation per year where they took the one car in the family to a scenic area in the same or a neighboring state, meant he had a few shirts and a few pants at any given time, meant no smartphones, multiple TVs, videogame consoles, PCs, etc. When I look at what middle class is today, it is tremendously opulent and luxurious by comparison -- and of course that costs a heck of a lot.

[@chriss780]

@@CharlesNauck "markets" don't have some magical autonomous will. Its merely the way people act when incentivized to in certain ways. its the way people play the game within a very tightly predetermined (which every market in human history has been.) (please spare me the nonsense about capitalism= less government. capitalism is and was the largest government run project in human history. capitalism is in every sense a product of highly developed modern nation states. if the results of it are disastrous, change the rules of the game. Christ people are dense,

[@hwykng82]

sounds like auckland, new zealand where i am. my suburb in 2002 was 180-200k, now its 800-900k

[@Adobe1080p]

Bro is 100% Canadian

[@Nightstick24]

Personally, as a man living in Canada, I’d love to have kids, I’ve always wanted kids, but it’s just not possible. I can barely find a place to live for myself, I get by sleeping on different friends’ couches, often at their parent’s home, and a mix of short term rentals. There’s just nowhere to live, and owning a home is a fairytale. I can’t raise kids and have a family when I don’t even have a roof to stably live under. It’s difficult to even start a relationship when you don’t know where you’re sleeping. And I’m lucky enough to have a great and flexible job that pays excellent wages, is very stable, and I thoroughly enjoy. I know tons of people bouncing around working minimum wage who don’t have any direction or plan. All because the life we grew up hearing about, going to school and then getting a job and then buying a house and starting a family, is becoming downright impossible.

[@SidorovichGaming]

just be honest, you don't have a gf

[@SeanWolf-ti9lw]

As?*

[@foxtail286]

​@@SidorovichGamingaaaand why should that invalidate their problems? Just because they're not contributing to the birth rate doesn't mean others aren't either

[@Tustin2121]

Capitalism has caused this cost of living / housing crisis by making homes speculative and wages unlivable. And yet, it’s the people who love unadulterated capitalism who are all so confused why people aren’t having kids. SMH.

[@SidorovichGaming]

@@foxtail286 go breed

[@athena4519]

What a positive start to my work day😅

[@America_gaming1917]

10:49 thats the problem, many nations like Sweden and Denmark and many more have all that but still have problems with population

[@KannikCat]

To pass on what I've heard from many young people: if you would like them to consider children, pay them a fair and living wage, with actual job stability, allow for family leave from work, and provide accessible and non-budget-busting healthcare. That's it. That's the floor of solidity upon which to build a family (another floor is full community support, but that's not all too common anymore). The erosion of wages and job security (especially starting in the 80s), coupled with healthcare issues and existential threats, has made having children so fraught that many are, logically, opting out. Tut tutting them while you pilfer their paycheques won't make it better.

[@SebastianLopez-nh1rr]

“That’s it” hahaha making that happen is pretty much impossible.

[@HypocritesExposd]

@@SebastianLopez-nh1rrit’s possible but definitely improbable. The ultra rich will favor profits over people so our living conditions will likely not change.

[@LilBnu]

​@@SebastianLopez-nh1rrget used to lower birthrate then

[@dannyvoid]

Even though it is this simple, this is a solution for future generations. If this is indeed the prescription it would take to solve it, then it is logistically unfeasible to put it in place for the current generation, necessarily making current generation adults out of luck.

[@zoscarrhoads7741]

And free time!

[@ficklepickles]

As a Korean, I fully agree with the future prospect of the low birth rate. Everyone here in Korea seems to be aware of the problem but no one is coming up with solutions. People are so absorbed in getting their life together in this extremely competitive environment that they simply cannot think of having a family let alone taking care of their own family. The government is merely busy with advertising their "magic bullet" policies to solve the issue with astronomical amount of taxes that we pay. My own hot take, I don't think Korea will survive long in this mess

[@Bundpataka]

Hyper-capitalism dragged South Korea out of poverty, but at the same time has ruined the amount of free time available for workers, created a toxic hyper-competitive culture, and created a massive amount of stress/anxiety/burnout for both students and workers. It’s no wonder that the fertility rate is so low, because the very structure of the society is literally toxic and poisonous towards those who want to make families

[@salvadoran_uwu]

Why don't you Koreans start long distance relationships and then make plans to move to another country, then years later move again to South Korea with a family and money, open a business and keep growing your country's economy? I know it's not that simple, but you know the meaning of the word "alternative"? It means you WILL sacrifice many things for surviving. I'm from El Salvador, and many of my compatriots had to flee to USA in 1980 because of our civil war, it changed the structure of our country, and nowadays many compatriots are sending remittances to help the people in mainland.

[@Bundpataka]

@@salvadoran_uwu not that simple bro 💀💀😭😭

[@Aostrele]

@@BundpatakaNah bro it’ll be expensive but the government just has to print more money and then they can afford it 🤯

[@MyNameIsJ3ffrey]

Could you ever see Korea doing a 30 hour work week while maintaining average wages?

[@MultiAndAnd]

I am a university professor in Europe and having a would be really tight economically.

[@KoketsoR7]

The population is only decreasing in first world countries. It's rising in third world countries.

[@jackierugrat8680]

There is no such thing as 1st/3rd eorld countries. Labels used to try & make ppl feel better about themselves. These are the same ones that will migrate to countries that have stolen their resources & continue to do so, then have the nerves to class them as 3rd world. These are future generations that will be supporting your seniors through immigration & taxation.

[@annahugman8412]

As a 25 year old Woman in the UK the idea of me being able to have and support children seem a like a miracle, not because I am physically unable to, but the amount of extra hours me and my partner need to put in at work to make ends meet I cannot imagine giving that up, halving an income that’s already not enough and having a child in a life that would cost so much more than when I was a baby. Life has got way too expensive, costs are spiralling out of control. At my age my mother was able to give up work to support me and my sister, live on one income and didn’t struggle because wages were relatively much higher back than. I would love to have children one day, but financially I don’t see how it could be possible.

[@niculaelaurentiu1201]

Your mother probably didn't have the same life-style as you do. People today have incredibly high life-requirements that are unsustainable. The market drove this consumerism so high and it's really a cancer for society

[@realbobbyaxel]

You are not alone. Hugs

[@Gohka]

I'm right there with you, I'm a 35 year old man from the UK and I cannot even fathom being able to afford a child. I can't even afford my rent from month to month when I work something like 50-60 hours a week and literally don't drink, my only expenses are bills, rent and food. Yet I often can't afford my rent at the end of the month and if I have my heating on at all this year I won't be able to afford food. So how on earth am I meant to have a child living like that? Not to mention one of my personal reasons for not wanting children is what kind of world are we leaving them? Personally I don't think it's right to bring a child in to the world when we should all be very aware by now that there will be no air left to breathe in 80-100 years. Why would I want to make anyone much less my own children go through that?

[@thunderb00m]

Yes, this. The boomers and the rich have got so greedy that they dont leave room for anyone else

[@neo69121]

you or your partner need to get a better job with higher salary, its as easy as that, also having a baby is not a million dollar expense, trust me, most people blow it out of proportion.

[@orinapier3658]

I'm korean and I left Korea when I was 14 to immigrate to Australia. I have to admit that life in Korea is not easy. You experience a lot of competitions from a young age and I think I genuinely struggled to stay in the race when I was at school. If you think about it, Korea is a tiny country with almost no natural resources. So you need to survive by developing exceptional intellectual skills hence why competition is so fierece. My friends who have had kids recently actually said that lower birth rate is not entirely a negative thing, because now that there are less kids, people cherish them more - instead of pushing the kids to compete to win, people want the remaining kids in the country to be happy. So I believe this has happened for a reason. Birth rate is important, but I also hope kids in Korea right now will live happily, so that when they become adults, they'll want to have kids to pass on their good memories

[@andresmattos7541]

LIVE IN KOREA IS NOT EASY? IS IT EASY LIVE IN AFRICA WHERE THEY ARE HAVING X10000 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, WAS LIFE EASY IN THE 1950 IN KOREA WHEN KOREANS WERE HAVING X 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN? YOU KNOW NOTHING.

[@hjaewon69]

Cool. I am a korean living in Canada rn and its very different

[@fewkeyfewkey5414]

I agree! My Korean friend moved to America because of the tough situations he faced back in his country. Many has moved as well and I can’t blame them. Yes America has issues but he rather live here than back in Korea especially when he had to work and go to school there for long periods of time causing him to have a short term depression

[@Mike14264]

​@@lifeis7 man, that's really disheartening... well y'know what? Better be fools than heartless. I hope whoever decides to have kids and raise them with joy in their lives over there is doing well.

[@hanggaraaryagunarencagutuh7072]

It really makes sense.

[@bugsbane]

This is, in fact, one of the great filters in the FERMI paradox...

[@onetruekeeper]

If there is material abundance affordable for all the population always grow but if there is lack of material abundance and everything is too expensive and unaffordable, even the basics then the population shrinks.

[@thisguy41487]

Yeah, the financial burden of having children is a real gatekeeper as well. My wife and I have one child and are just barely scraping by. We really like the idea of having a second child, but there is no way we could afford it. We are both college graduates and make a solid income, but it feels like money doesn't go nearly as far as it used to. Unless we choose to adopt later in life, we'll likely stay a single child family.

[@primodragoneitaliano]

Yup this. I'm single and childless and I'm barely scraping by with what I make as a translator. Having a kid for me is unthinkable because I'd never be able to afford to raise one, and I sure as hell don't want my hypothetical son/daughter to have a worse life than I've had. And so I don't have kids and as long as my financial situation stays like that it simply won't change.

[@nz-gz5jn]

I feel like this is an extremely underrepresented opinion. It simply is never the right time to have a child, because having a child early puts your education at risk, later on it will affect your promotions and chances of building wealth, and eventually it is too late. The high costs of living and the stagnant wages make having a child too high of a risk, especially when relationships seem a lot less stable than in the past as well (Becoming a single parent often ends up with so much effort and stress that the person ends up on unemployment).

[@xyz11zxc11]

Are you in the States or in Korea?

[@thisguy41487]

@xyz11zxc11 USA. It might not be the same sentiment elsewhere in the world, but it's my experience in the USA.

[@AspLode]

I feel like this video doesn't address the underlying issue with birth rates: The cost of healthcare, the cost of taking care of a child, and the absolutely crushing lack of opportunity and uncertainty of the future, loss of faith in the society you're growing up in, and a lack of societal stability giving you confidence to procreate and ensure a stable springboard for your progeny. People have kids when they have hope, and that's at a critically low supply right now

[@johnsmiguel]

This video doesn't address other main issues like the insane inequality in wealth distribution, where 99% of people work their whole lives to be paid miserably while 1% is swimming on gold.

[@yokbadeseviyorumben8128]

Yeah just like whole comment section, what really cause the all problems? Capitalism is.This Chanel is nothing but a distraction.

[@dariosaenz940]

Totally agree, neither does it address capitalism.

[@Bridge2110]

The poor have more kids both within and across countries. The cost of healthcare and taking care of a child is not the main issue at all.

[@Daniel-sYouTube]

Come to Germany with very cheap healthcare, free schools and universities, as well as free kindergartens in some states. Working times are still too long (40 hour weeks are unfortunately the norm) which leaves too little time for oneself and a family

[@amymcnair9481]

love this video

[@jamfilledjars]

Interesting that this pops up into my feed, considering I want to study (character) art in South Korea. C’est la vie.

[@woutervlas348]

Actually while I was visitng sweden and denmark over the summer I noticed how many children there were, and how different it felt, turns out during covid they actually experienced a small baby boom due to their policies towards child care and benefits for new parents. Ofc its not perfect but I think it is one of the few instances where a birthrate has increased a lot in a country that had falling birthrates in the recent decade!

[@suspecm6316]

Shocker, if parents aren't doomed to a life of poverty just to grow up a single child, they are more likely to have children. I swear the policy makers are the stupidest mfers out there, still not solving this issue.

[@Gb-be9bn]

@@suspecm6316 yet the richest countries are the ones with lowest birth rates. In Sweden and Denmark, the birth rate is 1.6~1.7, below replacement

[@SimonNZ6969]

@@suspecm6316 (you vote for those policymakers, js)

[@plants_before_people5329]

​@@Gb-be9bnyeah cause both parents have to work to make ends meet and not end up in poverty. The reason that in Africa birth rates are still high is that many people there live in such poverty that they need their children to take care of them when they're old, so more kids means more helping hands. Almost everywhere birth rates are low, even not incredibly wealthy places. Only in Africa and the Middle East is that not yet the case

[@suspecm6316]

@@Gb-be9bn because the "richest countries" are the ones where both parents have to worj a 9-5 to be able to afford a living. There is no time to be with the baby, no time to be with the kid, and the kid has to spen half their childhood in daycare. Lose lose for everyone.

[@joshuapearl6507]

As someone who has worked in Korea as a teacher, one thing I’ve come to see is that the education system is a big underlying issue. Parents are competitive as hell for their child to succeed and private education is very very expensive. This is leading to some people only having 1 child and focusing their efforts on making sure they succeed. Because of this, the parents are all fixated on their status and how well their child is doing at school, some paying for cosmetic surgery for their kids, it’s crazy. The work to life balance is also pretty bad. Some kids told me they didn’t even see their parents in the week at all because they stayed so late at work (and they were also in private academies until 10pm).

[@londonkkondae]

The saddest part is that it doesn't work. You inherit so much from your parents intrinsically (habits, work-ethics etc) such that the all of the Korean people I've seen ace the exams and/or get to prestigious universities never really participate in those fierce competition. FYI, old money of Korea don't send their kids to Daechi private tuition. On surface, it looks like the parents want their kids to succeed, and giving them all the condition to succeed, but really, it is greed. They failed to achieve the success so they put it on their children to study hard. Needless to say it doesn't work. It's just sad really. Leading by example is the best way to lead. Coercion never worked.

[@andresmattos7541]

The notion of you have to send your children to expensive private education is a stupidity that has been perpetuated over decades is like Keeping with the Jone's but by sending children to stupid often unecessary private hagwons.

[@user-pt2gk5zb4n]

that's right

[@way9883]

​​​​@@londonkkondaeSo basically it's just generational trauma and greed creating this neverending toxic generational relationships. Though South Korean Gen Z (people who are born 1998-2010 [debatable where Gen Z ended and Gen Alpha started but let's pretend it's 2010]) I believe most of them have child free mindsets. It's going to always be like this when Boomer, Gen X, and Millennials that govern today still refuse make the country better place (non toxic education culture, job opportunities, affordable but good housings, etc) for younger generations like Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Difficult environments make people doing whatever it takes to survive, and young generations do it by planning to not having children. As Gen Z myself, I can 100% sympathize with them.

[@iivhap]

Besides, many students quit school because of their own choice. School is a place where only tests are given, so if they don't get good grades at school, they give up the fence of school, high school diploma, and high school 's friends for another test called CSAT. They study CSAT alone in the corner of the classroom without taking any school classes, or quit school. Moreover, there are many problems with the CSAT. Everyone has to study hard for 3 years to pass only one test, and not to find their dreams They don't do active research to find their dreams. they study the patterns of the CSAT. They just write on paper.

[@4bidden1]

The Georgia guide stone stated that said the world carrying capacity is only ~500 million people total

[@duruarute5445]

the fuck do i care what a rock has to say?

[@4bidden1]

@@duruarute5445 the point is, it’s almost as if it was planned by the elites

[@moseshoward7072]

If I could have established a steady career with a dependable income I would have married and raised a family. When one of the bosses of my former company left to start a new company he took a $250M severance package. The current CEO makes nearly $1B a year. When I was fired I was offered 6 months severance pay--about $50K, and haven't found steady work since. I've never felt financially secure enough to enter into family obligations.

[@cf1925]

Hope you find stable work soon. :( Best of luck!

[@-C3S1UM-]

That's terrible! I hope that you are able to eventually dig yourself out of the pit you've fallen into and find a good job, may god help you.

[@gabor6259]

Tax the rich!

[@juantheron1856]

I hope and pray for the best for your life man .May God help you

[@moseshoward7072]

@@-C3S1UM- I turn 70 in less than 3 months so it's too late for me to start a family or establish a new career, but at least I own a nice home in a quiet, safe suburb with enough retirement income to enjoy it, so don't feel too bad for me.

[@FullONGeo]

If you allow me to share my perspective: in the reality I live in, the main issue that stops people from having more kids is... Money. Jobs are paying less, everything is getting more expensive by the hour, and it's become an enormous challenge to be able to work hard enough to live by and sustain your family, while also enjoying it (even with both working). Previous generations were able to afford big houses with a low income, not to mention buying food, paying school bills, everything was cheaper. Nowadays you have to be very well off to be able to have a decent sized apartment not too far from crucial facilities such as schools, hospitals, markets... so in the end, most couples end up having less than 2 kids because the housing is small, and they'll be wasting a huge part of the income just to pay for that, so not much is left to pay for education, helathcare and food (not even mentioning transportation, electricity, internet and electronic devices, which can be considered essential in today's society and are definetely not cheap, at least not here in Brazil).

[@mzaite]

Also kids are gross.

[@Demmrir]

The people making decisions are at odds with what they say they want. The people want to protect children but they oppose healthcare for children, food programs, financial assistance, childcare, etc. The people want more workers but they oppose immigration. The people want the world to be like it was back in the 50's but they don't want to roll out the social programs, strong labor unions, etc. of that era. These problems are all eminently solvable but that assumes the people in charge actually care to solve them. Which they clearly don't, because solved problems don't get you reelected. Making the problem worse gets you reelected. That's how the GOP has been getting elected because "big government doesn't work" for decades by making the government fail to work without reducing its scale.

[@ALmaN11223344]

This is the correct perspective...it's well past time for fogies to understand that they're entirely responsible for this problem, they've created a modern setting where families can no longer have a single working parent sustainably and are too stubborn/stupid to realize that paving the way to tomorrow will require subsidizing children. 90% of the jackasses will say something akin to "I did it that way, it's just how it works", but fail to recognize how different things are today to how they were when they grew up...they essentially got handed the keys to the world whilst the pay gap is worse now than it has ever been.

[@zacchk]

Capitalism exploiting its people

[@suicune2001]

@@Demmrir Exactly this! Well said.

[@ankurjyoti1]

Thanks kurzegast for my existential crisis 😅

[@TheInkSideofThings]

I'm 22 and can barely afford Gas, let a lone a house, or food for more than 1 person. It's just not worth it

[@beans11138]

As a Korean, no idea how we're supposed to solve this. I've spent my whole life studying the most mundane & useless shit for a college entry exam, and now I'm forced to do that again in college. Everything is exhausting cus no day offs, no holidays- I gotta work to pay rent/tuition when I'm not in school. And I'm probably not going to land a job after graduating either! (A mystery, since apparently population is shrinking) Feel like everyone around me is doing the same too. And the guys serve mandatory military service too while doing all this shit??? Literally no idea how they do it. Everyday I realize there are thousands of Koreans in worse situations than me, and none of us are stable to think about kids. Complete joke of a country, just leave us alone and we'll gladly make an example to what happens if a country fails to repopulate. Hope yall governments learn from us and start lowering housing rates!!

[@pompom529]

I feel you bro

[@chiaohongcheng]

Its easy, just give up your own tradition and lower your own rents would fix the issue. But you guys won't, because "nationalism".

[@beans11138]

@burnjapanandrisingsunflagIk that but it’s not the main reason why we’re in this state, let’s be honest. Also could you tone down the copypasta a bit

[@SnazBrigade]

You can solve it by destroying the corrupt government that has pinned your people beneath it's boot

[@beans11138]

@@chiaohongcheng How would us, the young working generation and basically the punching bag of Korea’s society be able to lead any major changes? Think of Canadian housing for a bit if you don’t get it.

[@pikapika4240]

I am turning 30 soon. Most of my 20s have been stressing about getting the right education, finding the good job which provides me with income, working hard to save money for my own house, resulting to having two burn-outs by the age of 28. I haven't had time to find a spouse, and I feel like I might end up childfree. Age cannot be reversed, and I am still 24/7 exhausted due to the last burnout, which I haven't been able to recover from. How am I supposed to raise a child when I already am exhausted, I hardly can go to the grocery store without wanting to cry and yell - not to mention how to find someone willing to make a child with me when I am like this! I would make a horrible parent.

[@Ms.Doomer]

Please trust and believe you aren’t alone. It’s not your fault it’s the way the world is 😢

[@misskimberley26]

Same, I suffered a burn out at 26 and I am still recovering from it. I do not even have the time or money to start dating and find someone. Unfortunately dating requires time and money which many of us do not have. Plus, incels culture has been growing sporadically. Who wants to marry someone that hates your gender?

[@humpheryflaubert8172]

Partner up with friends, split the cost, and ride out the wave; Ya

[@Ms.Doomer]

@@humpheryflaubert8172 yeah it’s so easy to get friends to basically marry you.

[@humpheryflaubert8172]

@@Ms.Doomer Marry? No I mean to split a flat, home, or whatever. But, you could take advantage of the system and marry as well. It's all pointless anyways at the end of the day.

[@FlyingSpoon5213]

As a teenager I don't want to have kids because I feel like it's unfair to force someone to exist because there's really not much hope for the future and if the economy is this bad now then by the time I'm old enough to raise a kid (if i could afford one or wanted one) I can't imagine how much worse it would be, better to adopt if anything

[@LeonTalksALot]

What a terrible reason 😂 It has NEVER been a better time to be human. You know there used to be a 50% chance that your kid died before the age of 5 right? Now its 3.8%, be grateful for the sacrifices of your forefathers and mothers that got eaten alive by wolves.

[@tobybeggs8676]

I get it, but at the same time you cant speak for the child, maybe he/she would want to live, even if their reality wont be as desirable as yours (every older generation ever has complained of the times changing for the worse, yet younger generations still find joy and meaning in their lives, even if the older ones dont see it the same way)

[@xTriplexS]

The fuck are you on? Then the baby should go and birth itself. ​@@tobybeggs8676

[@Zgrywus100]

6:38 this is already happening in Poland with 500+ policy

[@EatSleepBreathMovies]

Boomers: "Don't have kids if you can't afford them!" Younger generations: "ok!" Boomers: .... 😡

[@user-zq8tl5gk9k]

lol

[@romanr.301]

But actually. So many capitalists too. They’re against any sort of paid parental leave, saying “why should I pay you to have your kids?” And then they’re the ones bitching the most because they realized that it’ll be harder to become rich without workers to exploit.

[@anactualotter6216]

I’ve seen them list children as a luxury expense alongside vacations and starbucks lmao

[@One.Zero.One101]

"Having a family is seen as a career obstacle" Those words very accurately describe our corporate culture. It's something I and my generation just accepted because it is the way it is, but when someone spells it out like that, you really realize how wrong that kind of culture is. Corporate interests outweigh the needs of the individual and we are seeing the effects right now. Overworking and underpaying your employees may yield you short term profits, but it's gonna be a disaster for the work force in the long run. Companies need to promote family time, mental health, and physical health, it will benefit them in the long term.

[@bluscout1857]

Boomers really think we live in the best time in human history, while that’s kinda true overall I’d say we’re entering a second dark age in humanity and i’d also say that’s mostly at the fault of the boomers for not providing for their kids, now we’re stuck with the present and dealing with the mess they left

[@namensklauer]

My parents are both teachers. After college they quickly got lifetime contracts, took a loan, bought a house and eventually paid off the loan. Now 40 years later, with the house having lost quite a bit of (relative) value and them having reached higher positions in their schools, they would no longer be able to afford this house. So if you start now with a beginners income (and of course no lifetime contract, even in your wildest dreams) ... yeah, good luck with that. I might have a hunch as to why people were more likely to have kids back then.

[@user-ji1jg8bc5g]

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul? Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea? A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?

[@user-ji1jg8bc5g]

​@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul? Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea? A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?

[@Khunark]

@@user-ji1jg8bc5g go away propaganda bot

[@xydez]

I think it's the housing market tbh, if everyone universally had access to appropriate housing we would not have this problem

[@zach214able]

I'm from South Korea. The main causes of low birth rate include the economic and emotional burden of raising children, gender inequality in the family, uncertainty about children's educational environment and future, and the social pressure of competitiveness and excessive showing off in Korean society. Korea's long working hours culture is pointed out as one of the main causes of low birth rate. Koreans spend more time in paid work than workers in most OECD countries. At 47.8 hours per week for men and 45.2 hours per week for women, Korea has the longest average weekly working hours in the OECD. The OECD average full-time working hours is 43.1 hours for men and 40.3 hours for women. In terms of annual working hours, Korea ranks second after Mexico with over 2,000 hours. In Korea, there is a well-established paid parental leave system that can be used by both men and women. In particular, the period of paid parental leave available for men is somewhat higher than the OECD country average. The question is whether a good system is actually being used. Looking at the actual paid parental leave payment rate, Korea is lower than other OECD countries. Slovenia, which has the highest payment rate, has 90%, Iceland, Poland, and Luxembourg have 70%, and Japan has 60%, while Korea has only about 30%. The reality in Korea is that you cannot take parental leave with peace of mind because you are worried about whether or not you will have a job after parental leave. especially, It was found that high private education costs also affect the birth rate. Approximately 31% of married Korean women aged 15 to 49 cited the burden of education costs as the main reason for not planning to have children. In fact, the higher education expenses borne by Korean parents as a percentage of GDP ranked 4th among OECD member countries, following Chile, the United Kingdom, and Australia. This means that the financial burden on parents to send their children to college is quite large. In addition, high housing costs are also one of the factors that discourage women from giving birth. In fact, a survey of OECD member countries found that a 1% increase in housing spending lowers the birth rate per woman to about 0.014. Korea is no exception, where the dream of owning a home is far away. Thank you for loving Korea so far.

[@안양우]

As a Korean, I sympathized with this a lot. In particular, Korean politicians are not particularly interested in this issue and are doing their best to hide it. Korea was able to emerge as a developed country, but the thought that it will become the first modern country to collapse solely due to internal influences fills me with disgust for politicians.

[@user-KKBBOO]

ㄹㅇ 맞음

[@andresmattos7541]

AFRICAN POLITICIANS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THEIR PEOPLES WELLFARE, SOUTH AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE ALSO CORRUPT, SOUHT KOREAN POLITICIANS WERE NOT REALLY INTERESTED DURING THE 1950S WHEN KOREAN WAS AT WAR BUT KOREANS WERE HAVING 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, ALSO INDIA AND SOUTH AMERICA AS WELL AS AFRICANS ARE HAVING MILLIONS OF CHILDRE. I AM TELLING YOU IS THE KOREAN SELFISHNESS AND THE CANCER OF FEMINISM THAT IS KILLING KOREA.

[@uuns6594]

I was shocked when I heard Korean has lower fertility rate than Japan. I've always known that Japan's population become older so I basically thought that Japan's fertility rates are decreaseing -until I saw Korean's rate.

[@SeethingSimp]

The government doesn't care about the people? What a surprise

[@zetaforever4953]

Dude Korea won't collapse. Japan has been facing this population problem (along with economic stagnation) for decades, far longer than Korea. And yet even now, despite allowing barely any immigration, the average Japanese person has a much much better lifestyle than the average person in any high-fertility country. In fact, the countries that are closest to collapse have the highest fertility rates. All this fear-mongering is nonsensical. A couple of decades ago people were doing the same thing about overpopulation. Apparently the world would be overrun and we'd all starve to death because there'd be too many people. Lol. That fear-mongering about population led China to implement the one-child policy, which has now landed it in this new problem. Just relax and let things play out. Worst case scenario, Korea will have to start accepting more immigrants. But considering how the Japan story is playing out, they probably won't even have to do that.

[@thatdkguy5256]

Isn't it odd...that not too long ago everyone was freaking out about over population....

[@eltiolavara9]

i feel it went like "dont have kids the earth is too full and you cant afford them" "ok" "NO WAIT"

[@sentientflower7891]

Overpopulation is the catastrophe that you need to worry about since this world won't feed 9 billion humans.

[@--julian_]

exactly, and then the rich people were like "no who's going to make me more money" and they began spewing propaganda

[@andrewdrost6786]

The problem isn't "underpopulation", it's an imbalance between the amount of young and old people. While I don't think overpopulation is an issue, it's certainly possible for there to be overpopulation despite a declining birth rate.

[@CiCodiCadno]

Oh, people still are freaking out about it. But they're worried about immigrants replacing "native" people. (By "native" I mean it's often the colonialist population espousing these opinions, not the actual natives. For example: the English worry about this more than the Scottish and Welsh, Americans moreso than Native Americans)

[@pawel8365]

"African's will be the most sought-after immigrants", I highly doubt that.

[@sierranexi]

8:30 I'd like the Statue of Liberty Bird in my front lawn.

[@tentaclesmod]

This video mentions individualism as one possible cause, but with Japan at least, the opposite seems to have more effect: Their collectivist views basically go towards constant self-sacrifice in the name of society, at the expense of not being able to give enough focus to build up yourself and your family. Like, that stupid custom of having to go drinking with your boss, or the one of not being able to leave early because the first one to go is a bad worker. I'm sure a lot of people would rather use that time to date, or spend it around your partner, or with your kids.

[@MelficeN7]

@@crazypasta7749 Are you mentally challenged?

[@slicedonion8313]

There are definitely people who will have less children or none at all due to individualism, as with all things, extremism is negative. This can be said for so many things but the balance has to be found.

[@tentaclesmod]

@@slicedonion8313 I agree. Personally I believe in the needs of the many, the common good, but I think is very important to keep in mind that "society" is not a real, physical thing, society is the individuals within it, and benefiting society is supposed to be beneficial for the individuals within it. Sacrificing too much the individual in favor of the society is a self-defeating endeavor.

[@JMArchives]

but everywhere else in the world seems to prove the opposite

[@JMArchives]

there are but not the majority@@slicedonion8313

[@user-weldjdns2]

As a Korean student, it is very hard to live in Korea. Of course, it is great for economic growth, culture, and K-pop, but it is hard for people to live in. The American college entrance exam has many opportunities, and I heard that individuals' tendencies and activities are more important than their grades. This is not the case in Korea. Only 4% of students get the best grades and go to good colleges. This competition is very difficult. They do not respect individual tendencies and competencies.. Teen suicide rates are very high (I used a translator. It could be wrong) +++ I'm not saying that it's easy to go to college in the U.S. But in Korea, you can't get a job unless you graduate from college. Only the top 4% of students go to good colleges, and the remaining 96% of students are having a hard time.. we have to study 12years for CSAT. The Korean education system doesn't give students time to think about what they want to do in life. It's only competition for grades There are reports of students attempting suicide during the CSAT exams due to overwhelming pressure, or tragically taking their own lives after completing the tests. It happens almost every year..

[@Flash_345]

Nope, people in America are suffering the same. There's nothing special about America in that regard.

[@aenning]

​​​@@Flash_345 Yeah, no. Studying in the US is easy asf. I went to live there after not being able to pass my university in Brazil, and in the US, i passed with flying colors. Literally straight A's... The thing is with the US, they help you alot. They give you chances and time, in Brazil you only have 2 or 1 chances to do what you gotta do, and if you don't do well... you go back to square 1 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@ignacioariellopez8491]

@@aenning I wouldnt say easy af. They have a pretty rotten system as well. However, compared to Korea, its like a dream. The same way as Americans see education or public health from (For example, my homeland, Argentina) South America or European countries a dream. We all envy from others what we dont have but dont see what we do have. We envy Korea for many reasons (and rightfully so) and they envy us for many other reasons (and, rightfully so), no one has it better or worse than others, at least not on the large scale. We all have things that in the eyes of an outsider make our countries paradise, and we all have systems that are rotten AF..

[@Flash_345]

@@aenning lol that's not what I meant but aight whatever you say

[@pubgmobileclashroyale4725]

Don't be afraid, not only Korea getting depressed but whole world's Gen Z experiencing depression

[@mintch0colate]

Fantastic visuals and great editing

[@jjvp1249]

I guess the final solution will be something like : you get old age pension directly proportionnal of your kids revenues. No kids meaning no moneys. Stupid kids meaning low moneys too.

[@cathat4813]

I've been finding that a large portion of the reasoning for not wanting to have children in many countries now by my generation is that it's become hard to sustain ourselves, let alone a family. Housing is not a realistic goal, jobs are much harder to get, education is questionable, and ethics have become a joke. We are a generation more connected because of the internet, but because of this availability of information, we've been able to see more of what's going on around us. I personally am terrified of the lack of ethics and planning for our future right now by the people in charge, as I don't feel comfortable bringing someone else into this mess right now. As the wage gaps continue to expand between the rich and poor, the old and youth, there seems to be MUCH less focus on long-term sustainability and infrastructure, which leads a majority of the generation to not have the same ambitions or to be left scared and confused about what's actually possible anymore.

[@funveeable]

Really stupid how humans of decades ago were afraid of overpopulation and decided to do dumb things like one child policy, then when population starts going down, they start doom mongering about decreasing population.

[@prabuddhaghosh7022]

Just add parental support into the laws. Every child has to pay 10% of their income to their parents. Then you can take a mortgage for 18 years to cover child raising costs and then use the parental support payments to payoff the mortgage. if you mess up and your children become bums you will be stuck with the mortgage. But if you do a good job and your children become productive members of society you will make a profit on the investment.

[@ulysselbd4307]

​​​@@prabuddhaghosh7022yes nice idea and then the next generation has even less resources to spend during the most crucial years of their development, all the while already having to support the weight of an overaged population.

[@entecor3892]

@@prabuddhaghosh7022 The fact that you unironically tried to make an argument for making kids an investment as in an actual piece of legally binding asset disgusts me to no end. Perhaps it is better you don't have children no matter how bad the decline in population is.

[@Pulivari124]

​@@prabuddhaghosh702210%!? The taxes are insanity anyway!

[@cardiyred]

A famous Korean novelist said this. "In Korea, childbirth is a middle class culture." And it is very difficult for Korea to become a middle class in the true sense. Salaries do not increase surprisingly compared to deformedly expensive housing costs and increasingly expensive prices. Above all, the gap between Korea's small and medium-sized enterprises and large corporations is too wide. The majority of Koreans attending small and medium-sized enterprises are not subject to the standard labor welfare proposed by the state. The few elites who work for large corporations also carry out murderous schedules because they are elite. Koreans self-help as they watch the lights of corporate buildings that are still on late at night when people need to sleep. "Look at that, it's like a lighthouse." Since living alone is so fierce, Koreans are too burdened with raising children. More couples do not have children even if they get married, and many young people avoid marriage or dating because of the "high cost." Korea has the highest suicide rate among OECD countries. Now, Korea is becoming the first 'suicidal country' in the history of the world. It's sad, but it's too late. (The sentence can be awkward because it's using a translator.)

[@sssyt4837]

I mean children are cute and funny,I don’t think they don’t want children. I think they are not earning more and the daily needs have gotten expensive. Koreans should be more aggressive in cracking down corruption. Sadly there’s no time to save your brothers And sisters on N.Korea.

[@cosmoraphagamemnon8704]

Yes, that is exactly the point of the matter. The video says that the welfare system for women is the solution, but this is a wrong answer without knowing the situation in Korea. Korea has long had many welfare programs favored by women due to the high number of female patients with depression. Nevertheless, the low birth rate situation has become serious. The cause is the misuse of statistics. In fact, on the contrary, the low birth rate has accelerated due to institutional alienation of men. When looking at the number of Korean youth suicides, men are overwhelmingly higher than women. And by Korean culture, men do not want to be treated for depression. Rather, they try to hide it from their surrounding eyes and tend to refuse medical treatment at all. In addition, men are obligated to take responsibility for their families by Korean culture, and salaries that do not rise compared to living prices make them give up preparing for their families. It is good that women's education and social status are rising. However, in Korea, the social status of men has been lowered, resulting in the status of women. In Korea, women are better rewarded than men because they are only women, regardless of whether they are stupid or smart. Men who have worked more have to yield to women the compensation they deserve from the company. This is the beginning of the problem. If a woman is smart, it's not a problem, it's better. but The problem is the benefits they take away from men just because they are women. Smart Korean female CEO are also troubled by the fact that their companies don't work because of women who were promoted just because they were women. In summary, In order for a woman to become a mother. and she must meet and marry a man, and at least in Korea, the man must receive enough money from a company to prepare to meet and marry a woman. But, The moment the women take away men's money, men give up and eventually fewer men get married. Women will get some money but don't have children. As a result, a society where women take all the pies that men must ate will create a low birth rate. This is the process of the community collapse apart. Can a woman with a high social status think of marrying a man who has not prepared? In the case of Korea, even women with low social status are avoiding men who have not prepared. This is because, as a woman, she does not think of raising children after marriage in a bad environment. In conclusion, the reinforcement of gender equality policies for women in the video is a wrong solution.

[@wowwow2622]

아~~ 망했어요 ~

[@user-w9nixo4d8z]

Nah just because korean feminism

[@user-pn6tu1wl8q]

​@@user-w9nixo4d8zI agree

[@swizin]

Bro roasted the ideals of senior citizens midway through the video😂

[@AdamVaishaupt]

"Да ти върви по вода!" Using Bulgarian language, and know our tradition behind the phrase, good job guys!

[@Georgije2]

I have one daughter and 100% of mine and my girlfriend's time is already spent on taking care of her, entertaining her, working, commuting to/from work and essential household chores. It's really hard to imagine having a second child at this point. For us the limiting factor is time.

[@xrfa7422]

Why aren't you married? Have kids with little age gaps and they entertain each other.

[@johabermuor]

@@xrfa7422 Maybe they don't wanted to be married. Maybe where they live there's no difference between been married or not. Maybe they're happy in that way (?

[@mookfaru835]

Parents in poor countries let the kid roam around and help them with work. That works for them. It’s too much work trying to clean up after a thing that makes a mess, but if you can change the thing to help you. Now you can have more of those things.

[@bdjnk]

I have four small children. It's great. The time appears. Get married and have a half dozen. You'll love it.

[@arete7884]

The more u have the less time u can give each and so ur parenting will be lesser quality to each

[@almarcaUrban]

In our Australian reality, my girlfriend and I would very much like to contribute kids to the world one day - and our main and biggest obstacle is the cost of living. We both work full time salaries and are stuck renting only barely scraping enough savings up to put away for a property of our own one day. We don't feel comfortable raising kids in a rental environment here in this country at least because of the impermanence of it. Rent goes up every year now. If it weren't for the bank of mum and dad offering help for a deposit, we'd assume all hope is lost.

[@MyNameIsJ3ffrey]

Have you considered moving to a cheaper part of the country? Like a rural part?

[@THEanovah]

Move to Korea to teach English. Native English teachers all over the world are paid handsome salaries and have lives better than the average locals of their respective countries.

[@rygar8bit2]

@@MyNameIsJ3ffrey You move there, then the jobs there don't pay enough.

[@tariizm1500]

then you will own your own business in that rural area its not that hard people just loves city life@@rygar8bit2

[@arwon2227]

​@@MyNameIsJ3ffreythat doesn't really exist in Australia

[@largestudent198]

Remember this: just because the average national birth rate in a country is lower than another country, it does not necessarily conclude that the country has fewer total national annual births.

[@alex_roivas333]

good video, your inner german man is really showing

[@AlastorL5]

The fact that both my wife and I need to work full time to barely afford housing and care for 1 child is probably a big part of why people in "developed" countries have smaller families If stay-at-home parent was a job that paid decently as opposed to costing a lot, or if housing wasnt so expensive, or hell, if it was still possible for a single income to support a whole family, we wouldnt be in this mess Ask yourself, who exactly is getting most of the wealth in these "wealthy" countries. Its not the average person wanting to have a family.

[@Marinealver]

Take a look at the World Economic Forum and know that everything is going "as planned".

[@ElectronicShredder]

Boomers scorched the Earth at all fronts, they f*cked the environment on a planetary level, they modernized the exploitation system, they rigged the economy and pension systems, they retire and still vote for the populist idiots that will pander to them.

[@user-do3or1tx5m]

Korea is not "developed" country.

[@sandal_thong8631]

The management company at my apartment pushes the belief that it's normal for rents to increase 5-10% a year (or more). This makes me think that the housing market is the basic cause of inflation.

[@gisungsim7626]

The extreme case is South Korea, as the lowest birthrate shows.