How Zelda Speedrunners ALREADY Broke Echoes of Wisdom

[@LunaticJ]

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[@swarmling4017]

I kinda feel like people have been just, itching after getting OoT down to 3 minutes-ish so, as suprised as I am that this speed run is already so quick, I also understand that this is a playground right now

[@scotthuffman3462]

Pirate Software says that VPNs still sell your data and he used to work in cyber security

[@MisterOfu]

Nintendo: So first you have to beat these seven dungeons- Speedrunners: Too many. N: One dungeon? S: Too many. N: Zero dungeons? S: Perfect.

[@RetroCheats]

19:32 What do I need to remember?

[@mackeralface]

Remember

[@Lenny-op7nw]

obviously didn't listen then

[@Protofall]

Its my favourite anti-memetic.

[@moofree]

Spock's Katra.

[@NJR0091]

He forgor

[@realDonaldMcElvy]

19:33 And Remember...

[@brendenobuck]

Silly LunaticJ. You build Steelix by giving your Onix a Metal Coat 🤷‍♂

[@freybear8457]

“What do you mean it’s not natural??? My steelix is cold”

[@johncorum2400]

This comment is triggering for me

[@Practically_a_W1tch]

Why tf is there a blue comment on KZbin

[@GamingReinvented]

Surprisingly, it can get even faster if the community figures out some sort of out of bounds setup. As it turns out, phase 3 of the Null fight actually takes place in a different room, which is something like 50 units north of the standard entrance. So if a setup like this was found, runners could also skip about 66% of the final boss fight too. Unfortunately, no out of bounds strat has been found yet. But if one was found, it could get even lower... Nice video!

[@ghb323]

@@GamingReinvented That explains the third phase’s room is colored reddish rather than purple, and that upon beating the side-scrolling phase, and warping out, you get taken into a cutscene of Null’s transformation. They would have trouble reusing the same boss room, have to check the flags not to replay the first phase’s cutscene and triggers.

[@itsthesteve]

I love these videos. I dont speedrun, but there's something about seeing the persistence of the community. Oh, and the spreadsheets. There's always a spreadsheet.

[@ctnc6059]

I didn't think Onix looked bad... Then the part about Steelix started. Sudowoodo was insane. I hope whatever Pokemon is next breaks the game in a more controllable way.

[@ghb323]

The Signs + voidout glitch is basically BDSP’s menu storage glitch. Menus there without the game being paused, allows skipping 95% of the game. It is also a hint of Skyward Sword’s back in time glitch with the save statues, if you want to play as Link in EoW.

[@myth1975]

Awesome video, this is the most comprehensive explanation for the any% progression so far.

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

Between Link using a boulder to launch himself into the final boss fight, Link again putting a steering stick on a rock to clip into the heart of the Gloom and Zelda building an Onix to teleport herself into the final dungeon, it looks like the key to saving Hyrule as fast as possible is tied to how quickly the hero can get their hands on a rock.

[@Zel-Veraan]

This run turned into "Echos of Wisdom: Fortnite%" overnight.

[@HOGSLICE-PNF-404]

ah yes, the pinurchin lynel skip

[@monopolyrubix1875]

Whoever decided to play the World Tree theme when he talks about using Onix to climb to the heavens is a gigachad

[@LunaticJ]

😁

[@Greedyvik]

ok i will remember

[@VoltBandit]

My brain went "Finally, more good KZbin content!" and then my eyes saw the spoiler warning

[@Rubbly]

Spoilers: You fight the bad guy at the end

[@VoltBandit]

@@Rubbly You've fully ruined Echoes of Wisdom for me now with that comment

[@VinsCool]

This game got completely broken in record time and I loved seeing it unfold!

[@tterreb]

That's the real speedrun.

[@sourdface]

The only thing we have to speedrun is speedrunning itself

[@SaveMeMoon]

The stuff that speedrunners think to try will never stop to amaze me.

[@FearsJourney]

0:30 You have no idea how relieved I was bro.

[@rin_reverie]

The Xb2 World Tree OST is very fitting for how absurd Steelix Any% is honestly

[@scarlett_greenrose4807]

Nintendo really needs to hire speedrunners for game testing

[@ninjanothewise8214]

That's what I'm saying. If they truly want to make games not "Breakable" then speedrunners are the ones to look at. Though let's be honest, we hope that never happens.

[@m.a.pedowitz6364]

That would be an interesting idea! Really though, the ability to “break” the game through speedrunning glitches isn’t a bad thing for Nintendo. Most casual players like me will never use these glitches, so it doesn’t affect how we play the game. And by having this glitches open, it allows people to creatively interact with their title in *another* way and to build a stronger conversation around their title. It may not be a significant portion of players speedrunning but it still generates conversation about their title, which is probably a good thing for Nintendo.

[@WhistlingStickman]

I think it's funner if it's breakable. It really doesn't impact normal players who are just looking to play the game for the game's sake. I think any time speedrunners break a game, Nintendo should put in a check for their tricks, and make speedrunners fight a near impossible boss. And when that gets beat or skipped, they should put in a mandatory fishing minigame after that. If speedrunners skip it, Nintendo should up the ante.

[@DaniloGanzella]

damn, this first route is already very outdated hahaha o laughed so much at the onix awesome video!

[@Dave.A.R]

Great content! I was pretty sure the video was older than 15 hours. Good to know I wasn't the only one.

[@Axecon1]

Can't wait for the Rayquaza or Wailord builds!

[@Asiago9]

I find it hilarious that the run includes using the old bed to gain height

[@SpectreXS]

"And remember..." what? Please tell me, I'm getting lost :(

[@PolytoxusRex]

Sorry I forgor: (

[@kingjO444]

And remember....

[@Shadow-Joop-157]

I don't know how it works but you can reach infinite heights with trampoline echoes if you time your jumps well, I don't know if it can be done outside of the 2D sections but that might be a faster and easier way to activate the glitch

[@marcusg3058]

9:23 Kirby spikeball guy?!?👀👀👀

[@sambeckettcat]

Ok, I 100% completed this game, and it did not occur to me to even try grappling Null’s arms at the end. It was this video where I just learned that.

[@Madbronine]

What do I need to remember?!

[@ika5663]

Incredible work!

[@skywz]

Classic modern Zelda game. Skip all the gameplay and leave only the cutscenes.

[@redjarman]

i had no idea you could grab null's arms i just spammed a ton of darknuts lol

[@CriIp]

Funny enough, I chose to not learn the sign echo because I thought it was useless, and it would just clutter up the echo list.

[@ArceusDX]

I did not know you could use Bind on Null's arms

[@volcanhacks]

this is very similar to the Pokemon BDSP menu storage bug

[@Fataha22]

I imagine how long summoning salt video documentary of this game 🤣

[@fourthwallbreak]

What happens if you use an early game save and use pause storage to play as link in the overworld, and then use map storage to wrong warp as link to nulls body? 2 links? Oh wait maybe you cant spawn a map as link..... nevermind.

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of How Zelda Speedrunners ALREADY Broke Echoes of Wisdom momentum 100

[@dontworry4945]

makes sense. my girlfriend played blind. and when i say casual i mean pvz and candy crush. she did gerudo first and we spent the night looking for sequence breaks. it's a pretty loose game. very fun though.

[@WildKat25]

So, do you want to update to 1.0.1 or keep it to version 1.0.0 for speedrunning?

[@randomgamer-te8op]

little ago would've told you to probably update it to 1.0.1 , but they now patched menu glitch in 1.0.2 so it depends on your case scenario

[@LoganMangus-d1u]

My friend found a blss gitch today. Btw I haven’t watched the full vid yet so I will update this if I find a blss glitch in the vid.

[@kokodi01]

As someone who doesn't play Zelda, this still seems easier than playing the actual game lol

[@mamaharumi]

Nintendo will patch because they hate people having fun.

[@rendomstranger8698]

I mean, lets be honest. This game had "break me" written all over it. There was no way that speedrunners weren't going to be able to skip 90% of the game within less than a month. At this point, I'm expecting out of bounds within less than a month. 2 if I'm being cautious. And ace? Give it half a year, if that. Garbage data is already accessible after all. It's just a question of whether ace will be faster than a combination of wrong warping and out of bounds. I'm honestly not sure it will be.

[@randomgamer-te8op]

ACE is currently not a thing on I think any game from the generation of the Wii U and forward p much, and even maybe Wii, by tecnical structure way beyond the "speedrunners op discover everything" something very, VERY big, not just on this game but on the grand scheme of the videogames science, would have to be found for even a remote chance of ACE in any mainline game after that generation, put aside the newest nintendo console to date i will never say never, but I would say the capabilities of just "going and doing ACE" are very overestimated this Wrong Warp works for 1 single action that Nintendo managed to patch in few lines of code on 1.0.2 , it very much isn't proportional lol

[@locustsandhoney486]

Great Game, only Zelda Game that i have finished, and half the map hasnt been shown to me. Sad. Should be five times bigger.

[@jmshantz10]

Don't worry, I'll be sure to remember-

[@WynnofThule]

16:09 They're making *what*? 这可能是个问题...

[@randomgamerkid8172]

100K!!!

[@berkeleycreager3601]

19:26 hopefully its NMG speedruns, this is too much imo

[@DugdoesDigging]

cant wait for Nintendo to patch a glitch that would practically never interfere or disrupt a normal player's game

[@randomgamer-te8op]

im quite suprissed they still haven't ngl

[@UnFuzed_]

@@randomgamer-te8op Welp rip that.. V1.0.2 released :)

[@randomgamer-te8op]

@@UnFuzed_ yep, took a while but there goes that

[@UnFuzed_]

@@randomgamer-te8op Least I got a homebrewed Switch

[@randomgamer-te8op]

@@UnFuzed_ same

[@thatonespinster]

ate dinner while watching this :) highest honor i can bestow

[@Scorbunzx]

Is this a reupload?

[@LunaticJ]

No it’s not I finished editing like 2 hours ago

[@Scorbunzx]

@@LunaticJ I must be mistaken then…Deja vu is annoying

[@shinjiikari1021]

I think it was abyssoft who uploaded a similarly titled video

[@LunaticJ]

@@shinjiikari1021 Yeah he beat me to it as I was still scripting out the video. I waited due to being busy with IRL stuff, as well as wanting to see the routing and record settle down for a bit

[@DannyTheVito]

Thinking of Abyssoft's video?

[@iCharFK]

Glitching is against Nintendo's ToS :( You're all going to jail :(

[@Clyde-S-Wilcox]

Yeah they gonna patch dat ass...

[@echocolatowo]

nice video

[@neuroliquid]

Hmm, I dunno if reading trash data can be called RNG

[@suncat530]

it's effectively random

[@neuroliquid]

@@suncat530 There are most likely patterns in such "randomness"

[@christophsiebert1213]

@@neuroliquid Every RNG algorithm used in games is deterministic. Rarely, if ever, do they use truly random functions. So even literal RNG algorithms aren't really random. They are random enough to appear so. Same with garbage data after memory was cleared. It is deterministic but random enough.

[@yukino4636]

No RNG is RNG

[@DaniloGanzella]

well, it got boring too fast imho :( just finished the game 2day and was eager to see the speedrun. 7 hours? 4 hours?.... 30 minutes.... man that was disappointing

[@RetroCheats]

watch the 100% run category then

[@LunaticJ]

All Dungeons is the hot new category I recommend

[@DaniloGanzella]

thanks! gonna check them out, maybe we get a no wrong warp category (NMG)

[@christophsiebert1213]

@@DaniloGanzella No magic, gang? What does NMG mean?

[@randomgamer-te8op]

@@DaniloGanzella there is a "Glitchless" category alredy, WR currently is about 3 hours 47 minutes, check SRC for those matters i don't see what part about this was dissapointing lol

[@MiroBouchard]

Make another route.

[@jeffcarroll1990shock]

Thank you for reporting this bug. Someone should patch out this little mistake from future releases.

[@vamp97]

I too like men.

[@BeegChaosControls]

epic

[@Zantos_]

pp

[@moonstars6003]

Let’s gooo🎉

[@xfaon]

dang

[@iriyap]

The wrong warp was discovered weeks ago, you're a little late to the party with this video.

[@latheredtrillionaire5701]

Not everyone obsessively consumes Echoes of Wisdom speedrunning content, so I'd say his timing is just fine.

[@clonesharpshooter101]

He mentions in the video how soon after release it was found.

[@largeusmeatus]

cringe comment 🤓 dork