Howland Reed and the crannogmen - Livestream

[@maxstaley8144]

Thanks, Robert! You're without a doubt the best GOT mind on KZbin!

[@InDeepGeek]

Max Staley - thank you!

[@stupidminotaur9735]

magic or alot of horses one estimate is there was 24 horses to 30-60 gorses at the tower of joy... with some mules/donkey add and not add into the mix.

[@Jenvick]

I loved this! Big thumbs up for grouping up your chat shootouts so you aren't interrupting the content as often. I really enjoyed this

[@Liz-mm1sy]

Thanks for doing this! I’ve always been so interested in the Reeds and the “Frog” people.There’s so little information and discussion on them.

[@danielmeredith4222]

Please pass this message onto Gemma from the secrets of the citadel channel that used to be on youtube here. Im so happy your channel is still here. Your a superb story teller and your skill with history and lore is truly remarkable.

[@mauralee9987]

Thoroughly enjoyed this livestream and looking forward to more of the travelers guide of Westeros! I hope that we get to see Howland Reed in Season 8. He can explain so much and back up every thing that Bran and Sam find out from how to kill the Night King and when Jon finds out about his heritage. He was a close friend of Eddard Stark and very respected.

[@ruthbennett7563]

"You'll never know dear, how much I ..." Appreciate your take on all of this "Allstory". Once I figure out this Patreon thing, you, GOT Academy, & Gemma are my first pledges. Thank you for your fine work. Well done, you.

[@InDeepGeek]

Ruth Bennett - You're welcome! And thank you so much in advance for when you figure out Patreon!

[@moiraferreira]

So happy you covered Howland!!!!

[@Go-Dawgs]

Thank you!! I always learn so much! Some things I had forgotten from the books & some I did not remember. Excellent job Sir🌟

[@frumiousb.7148]

very excited about your new channel and omg! Frankenstein is such a great book - can't wait!

[@InDeepGeek]

Frumious B. - Thank you! It's a brilliant book and I can't wait to narrate it.

[@angelacarvalho7716]

This was a very interesting livestream. I really like the Reeds!

[@katherinereid7314]

Great work. You are one of my favorites.

[@InDeepGeek]

Katherine Reid - thank you!

[@dannabats]

Amazing content thank you, I look forward to "the well told tale" there are so many good books out there that need audio readings and critiques.

[@KJ-4-Chiefs]

Robert, you make me want to rewatch the series for the 3rd time. :)

[@InDeepGeek]

KJ - haha! Do it!

[@drej1015]

3rd time? That's it?

[@brandonblackfyre5783]

Forget rewatching it! I'm re-read them again

[@yousurf374]

You HAVE to... it is the time you start to see/realize things you missed, or did not realize as important, before.

[@johnmontag]

I honestly can’t wait for him and his fellow Crannogmen to appear in the show and for him to blow our and Jon’s mind. P.S. - I also am very much anticipating your guided tour to Grey Water Watch.

[@JenJen-bp3bb]

Just found you Yay! Awesome content, double sub moment, looking forward to listening to both of your channels. Thanks millions!

[@InDeepGeek]

Jen Lamb - thank you, and welcome!

[@monsneaks5594]

Oh my goodness!!! I cannot wait for your audiobooks 😍😍😍

[@reneebarger5194]

Robert mon cher, I had to think awhile after watching this (which is good). One question keeps popping up. Why would Howland Reed be with Ned at all? His being at Harrenhal makes some sense because it is in the Cranogmens backyard. But Howland never joined Ned's army, he's not a sword wielding Knight and Ned was at King's Landing before going to the ToJ. So why would Howland travel weeks through war torn territory to go with Ned into Dorne? Did Ned ask him to come? Did Reed just appear and say, "Here I am Sir and I can lead you to Lyanna?" Is this just a big GRRM brain fart or a clue to the biggest lie in seven kingdoms?

[@pyramidion5911]

Exactly! What on earth is HR doing there!? Did he feel guilty for introducing Lyanna and Rhaegar, or... is Howland in cahoots with the Daynes and/or being manipulated by them!? P.s. How sure are we that the she-wolf was not Ashara? The wolves could be the members of the wolves' den, not necessarily just the starks. Lots of scheming seems to have gone on that day at summerhall, and we are privy to none of it!

[@ladywarriorofhousetinfoil4604]

Just subscribed to new channel... can't wait!! Love your hard work! Thanks so much!

[@InDeepGeek]

LadyWARRIOR ofHouseTinFoil - Thank you!

[@victoriasantoro6692]

Arya can be Azor Ahai or even the Lightbringer of Azor Ahai..Syrio told to her ''that you boy are a sword''..Also Arya is a metaphorical sword in my opinion ..She like a sword was shuttered by all those problems that she get faced throughout the seasons ..Also remember in S6 when she jumped on the canal [water] wounded by Waif in Bravos ...She was broken and she faced nearly death .She in S8 might try to kill Cercei [the lion]and get wounded again and she might to kill Mellisandra [as nissa nissa]with her Catspaw ..I think she also was reborn on that little room where she fight the Waif ..admist the smoke of the candle[smoke] she shut and salt the [salty humidity of Bravos ... Bravos is an island into the sea and the sea has salt ]..So this can make her Azor Ahai or Lightbringer also or both.

[@gingerlewis6332]

That's an interesting theory.

[@manaash4316]

This is one I hadnt seen and it came up on my recommendations. "Donation train, choo choo!" 😭 what an incredible community.

[@meridianmormont665]

Thanks Robert. I got to the chat just as you were finishing up. Anyway enjoyed listening back. Subscribed to the new channel. Love and hugs ♥️,🇿🇦

[@InDeepGeek]

Meridian Mormont - thank you!

[@billhutchinson7831]

Good luck with the new channel! Subscribed and excited =)

[@InDeepGeek]

Bill Hutchinson - Great. Thank you!

[@deidramines5889]

I can't wait you have the best VOICE FOR TELLING STORIES BLESS YOU 🤗

[@reneebarger5194]

There is one huge question: Why the heck was Howland Reed at the Tower of Joy? GRRM went to great lengths to expose his background as a non warrior, isolationist, small being who would not be by Ned's side during battle. So where did he meet up with Ned and the posse and travel all the way to Dorne at the ToJ? For what purpose? Something is strange with the whole scenerio.

[@Ouisija]

In another video, Robert speculates that Howland was brought b/c he knew Lyanna was there (mentioned in this video also) and because Ned wanted a small and discreet group. He trusted that any secrets would be safe with Howland.

[@cogema97]

The Arya Lightbringer talk is so funny with hindsight on how the show ended. D&D must have believed that theory

[@poseidonc1259]

Thank you for the effort you have put into your work. Can’t wait until you are narrating my bedtime stories! Bahaha! Seriously though we are all excited about your new channel idea!

[@InDeepGeek]

Poseidonc12 - Thank you!

[@Msh42069]

So weird to see you, but also cool for you doing the livestream…when normally I just catch your videos

[@f.g.h604]

All of these videos; 1 hour lore, 1 Hour 25 mins of "superchat, im overwhelmed"

[@dannabats]

Tgis has to be the most suppirtive and amazing live chat I have ever seen. So many people wanting to see new audio excripts and content because your always so well spoken and explain things so wonderfully. I subscribed (missed the live chat) may I suggest foundation, any LOTR (overdone but fresh tskes on the lesser known works are great) robert anton Wilson, pierce Anthony, Harry Harrison, robert Ashton, timothy Shan, Octavia butler, Orson scott card, H.G. wells ect ect ECT. I would definetly tune in as we Americans seem to find British voices much more suited and soothing for audio. Congrats on such amazing feedback for your he endeavor

[@InDeepGeek]

dannabats - Thank you so much! I was blown away by the support. And those are some great suggestions for books to narrate. Thank you!

[@djbigleg3228]

someone on you tube said howland reed & ashara dayne could be married but i think its more likely that he could be married to a COTF.i mean leaf looked fine a bit green maybe lol but still fine .i would love to see howland reeds floating castle.but if we see howland reed in the tv show we will see howland reed & meera at the gods eye.great post most enjoyable this is the third time ive watched this post ..

[@prof.cecilycogsworth3204]

I think that's a brilliant idea, to polish up and present the Weary Traveller as an E-Book. Or even as a 'right proper'' book with illustrations by sanrixian? A kickstarter or something of the sort? I mention it because yesterday my Guide to Welsh Dragons arrived, which was part of akickstarter programme. If you don't have it yet, it's a lovely two volume set about those fabulous creatures.

[@drej1015]

Three eyed raven definitely visited him at the isle of faces. Told him to go to the tourney at harrenhal. Set up a lot of events in motion that needed to happen. I have a very detailed theory about bran basically setting up every event in history using the greensight.

[@himynameisrev]

I love this video, wish I could have caught it live. I looked hard through your content, and I couldn’t find any videos on Dany and the little house with the red door and lemon tree in Braavos. I would love to see some analysis on this, to confirm a theory I have that Dany never lived in Braavos, instead she grew up in Dorne, and she may even be a Martell

[@InDeepGeek]

himynameisrev - I've mentioned it a couple of times, but not done a full video on it. I'll be doing a whole series on Robert's Rebellion / ToJ etc. I'll definitely be doing a video on Dany's origins there...

[@himynameisrev]

Great, I made sure to subscribe, I won’t miss it. I’m going through all the books now trying to discover what Rhaegar read in the Jade Conpendium that swayed him to make everyone around him prophecy crazy. I have this wild endgame theory about that, where I run out of gas because I don’t know who Craster really was, what Rhaegar read in the JC, and what Howland Reed can actually do. I look forward to more videos in the future. The rabbit hole is getting pretty deep now :)

[@Brandonhayhew]

What started a series of deconstructing characters and break classic fantasy trophies. In years later by now, we end up to following them now.

[@AnaHernandez-xx9kh]

Great fkn videos, number 1 song of ice and fire channel

[@chrispage8716]

Correct me if I'm wrong but at the tourney of harrenhal after he got smacked around didn't he go to the Shoreline and face the Isle of faces and say some type of Prayer I believed he asked for vengeance and the Isle of faces is giving him his revenge but not in the way that he intended

[@InDeepGeek]

Chris - We know that he prayed, but not exactly what for. My working theory is that it was for guidance on what to do next, rather than for vengance.

[@Nancy-jo4xe]

I love listening to you, so you definitely have one more subscriber for your new channel ;)

[@queenoficeandfire1013]

This was such a great stream as always, love your channel! And I subscribed to your new one, can’t wait to check it out😁

[@InDeepGeek]

Queen of Ice and Fire - fantastic, thank you!

[@josegodoy8461]

Hey! Winter in Canada is not 2 or 3 months!!!! Great video, you are doing very good content. Thank you.

[@InDeepGeek]

Jose Godoy - Haha! Thank you!

[@drej1015]

Three eyed raven (bran) has been influencing the worlds events since teaching Garth Greenland how to farm the land.

[@DrNothing23]

Noooo! You did a live stream on my favorite character on a workday for me!!! lol. AHHH! At l;east I can watch it. ...sad... I'm really looking forward to the announcement in this video. ;)

[@kiwwat4139]

So if the Reed's seat, Greywater Watch, floats from place to place... does that make it Howl(and)'s moving castle?

[@angelacarvalho7716]

I'm really interested in your new channel! I was a little sad that only the patrons could access to your narratings of GOT released chapters... So this is a nice way to experiment audio content (I have to admit I'm very curious about it). Congratulations Robert! I wish you all the luck!

[@InDeepGeek]

Angela Carvalho - Thank you! I'm really looking forward to it, and I'm glad I've thought of a way to ensure that everyone gets access for free. :)

[@JJFLASH1076]

Can we get a vid about Stannis prediction for WoW

[@victoriasantoro6692]

Sweet Robert ...i missed the Livestream[my mom was on the hospital two days now with almost a heart attack crisis]..so sorry ..I think the Crannogmen are like a tribe that i met when i was on my scientific travel[for my doctorate ] in the Amazon River in 2016 ..The Katsinas[a Brazilian native tribe in the Northeast Amazon]who is translated '' those who are closer to the Gods''..They called like this because they worship their gods[tree gods with their figures or statues carved in the trees and stars gods ] with zeal and they had closer relationship with the nature..The Crannogmen also are rumored to be more closer to the Old Gods ..even more than the Northeners and also had closer relationships with the COTF[Childrens of the Forest]/the nature..The Katsinas also they have a place for their Gods who is a small island in the middle of the river who is full of those carved holy trees ..They go there in this place every year [4 May ] for to worship and to feast the revelation of their Gods there...Its a beautiful and mystic ceremony and a feast on boats ..The Grannogmens and the Childrens of the Forests they have also their Isle of Faces..where there they worship the Old Gods carved into the Weirwood Trees..their faces actually.I saw those similarities when i was there ..and that reminded me the Grannogmen..I always take on my travels a GRRM book[not only ASOIAF....but and other stuff who he had write ..like the Dream of Missisipi [i pronounce well?]

[@ETtheOG]

There needs to be a new channel called "Everybody Love Robert" :D lol

[@captainanopheles4307]

If i had listened live the entire endless audio book part would have had me tapping my fingers irritably.

[@randahassan5463]

Love Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. I cant wait to hear it. Will you be doing an analysis?

[@InDeepGeek]

Randa Hassan - Frankenstein is an amazing novel! I'll definitely be doing an analysis for patrons of TWTT, and I'm considering doing a livestream on KZbin at the end of each story so everyone can discuss it!

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

They are magical gypsies!

[@mrsmarauder]

I'm suspecting that the 'they' who found Ned, apart from Howland, were the servants at the Tower of Joy. There would have to be servants, unless Rhaegar and Lyanna did their own cooking and laundry! And I do enjoy your videos very much, they are so intelligent and interesting.

[@stephaniepeer3787]

Hi Robert! Thanks so much for covering Howland Reed! Sorry I couldn't be there live. About that - is it possible to change the time to 10pm UK time instead of 11pm? Or does that screw too much with the timing in the US? Anyway, been busy with my dissertation, so slowly catching up on your GOT videos. :) Also, looking forward to your new channel! Hopefully there'll be some more Ursula Le Guin! :) And sorry, not able to support your new channel at the moment. Not working. :(

[@InDeepGeek]

Stephanie Peer - I know the timing isn't great for the UK. I may experiment with bringing it forward to 10pm (which is when I do my Sunday Westworld ones...). And I love Ursula Le Guin, so I'll add her to the list of possibles... Good luck with the dissertation!

[@stephaniepeer3787]

Thanks! :) And thanks for considering my suggestion. I do understand that you have a lot more subscribers than just me, so it'll have to be what's best for the majority. But I appreciate you thinking about it anyway. :)

[@rrrowdygirrrl]

And also, I hope you see this as it's so long after you aired it, but how do you feel about the theory that Meeran Reed is in fact, John's twin and Howland took her to keep her safe. She looks nothing like Jojen in the books or the show and is appx. the same age as well. It could explain why Bran turned so cold to her, not that he no longer had use for her, but that he needed her to get back to the Neck where she would be safe in case something happens to John. Perhaps John has to blow the horn?

[@danielmeredith4222]

We should start back ! Pass this message onto her if you can please xo

[@1jasondpta]

If Howland can use magic to demolish a tower, why can’t he use magic to win a joust?

[@yousurf374]

or to take care of three bullies? Limited mind magic? AND What is worse,, getting picked on by three big bullies or getting rescued by a 14 yr old pretty little girl??? LOL.

[@waynepolo6193]

Then he would have been a spectacle at the tourney. Probably even killed by Aerys, who would see his magic as a personal threat; maybe even think Howland was a Faceless Man or assassin from Asshai.

[@reaver1414]

Bran in the show basically became the internet. He has all the information but you have to know what to put in the search engine and have to sift through the useless information

[@johnst.baptiste3664]

new channel story time!

[@johnst.baptiste3664]

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[@melissaisloud7404]

If Meera and Jojen are the children of Howland and Ashara Dayne then where do the green dreams of Jojen’s come from? Does Ashara have green dreams since Howland doesn’t? Or is this evidence that Mother Reed is not Ashara?

[@rickyvandusen1744]

Props to those buying super chats for others. Crazy. Im kinda hungry can someone get me a pizza? pepperoni, pineapple, bacon, extra cheese plz lol

[@janehammond9987]

Could the Prince that was promised be Bran Stark and not Jon Stark.

[@taylorgayhart9497]

Did Bloodraven want the rebellion or did he just want R+L=J? I’m not sure what about the rebellion itself benefits Bloodraven, but I could see him wanting to bring Targ and first men blood together.

[@yousurf374]

Another question as I watch::: All the info leaning to the Laugh Tree Knight being Lyanna is good, but not proven. OTHER than her, who else could it actually be? I did not read books but was Howland visible at the Tourney or presumed to be on the Isle still? So, could the Knight actually be Howland, after being suited (haphazardly) and glorified by the Ch. of the Forest ? Could the short Knight be a Ch, of Forest working with magic to defeat in name of Howland? Further, after Tower of Joy, Ned went to Starfall/Ashara Dayne, but Howland ran the other way and did not join him there?? Kinda squashes the Howland/Ashara in the tent theory.

[@agustasister5624]

This is the only channel who has pointed out all this...and to find out his children said : he breathed mud ran on leaves.talk to trees weave words and make.castle appear and disappear..." i left out something i think...but castle appear and disappear...is soooo telling...that he knew she was dying and told stark where she was..

[@lanestapp2]

I still find the timing of the tower of joy so strange. George said Jon was born during or right after the fall of Kings landing. Between Ned meeting Jamie on the thrown, lifting a seige and journeying into a desert while possibly riding a couple thousand miles it seems like either George had his facts on a major event wrong, or Jon was born at least a couple months after the fall of Kings landing, or Jon isn't the tower of joy baby.

[@christophermitchell7001]

This is part of the reason why many people, despite the shows instance, believe that book Jon will not be the product of R+L=J. There are many strange things about this situation. Including, Why does everyone just except that Rhaegar was down there with kidnapped Lyanna without question?(He only arrives "from the south" just before he leaves for the Trident to fight the last battle of the rebellion) Does that mean then this situation was an open secret?....so wouldnt that mean that a good number of people are aware of Lyanna's pregnancy....How did Ned kill the greatest swordsman of his era?,....The show tells us that Holland stabbed him in the back but shouldnt that be obvious to anyone. No one ever talks about how awesome of a swordsman Ned is, but everyone seems to except without question that he killed Arthor Dayne. Why didnt Ned bring any of his dead friends back with him? He brought Dawn back to the Daynes, while Lady Dustin 16 years later is still angry that her husband was buried in Dorne and not in Barrowtown? Why does a house Dayne love Ned so much. The head of the house is named after him and thought he was some kind of a hero? Why does Ned never think about Rhaegar and when he does it is never is a bad light? Even though he is supposedly raising Rhaegar's son who was born from disgrace(possibly rape) and was the cause of a war and Ned's personal dishonor? To say nothing of the death of Ned's Father Brother and Sister. If anything the timing of the children's birth is the most explained/elaborated on mystery here.

[@lanestapp2]

Why would the dornish be cool with rhaegar bringing his mistriss there? Doran definitely wouldn't let that slide. Why does ned remember the faces of the kings guard, but not his friends? Why would the kings guard want to harm their new princes only remaining family? Why does the heir of starfall claim to be milk brothers with jon? How and why did ned know about the tower of joy to begin with? There is an incredible amount of information we don't know about this crucial event, and its even riddled with conflicting stories. It's quite clear that we are not supposed to know what happened there, wherever it truly occurred, and I think they oddness of the scene in the show is proof of that.

[@christophermitchell7001]

Agreed Basically It is why I am sure there will not be a pov chapter for several characters unless they are a prologue or epilogue. ( Howland, Little Finger, The Kindly Man, Marwyn, Who ever the Faceless man in the Citadel is, Euron, etc...)There are characters who have story breaking info and we just cant know their minds without blowing open huge holes in the mystery of the narrative. Case in point, we know that Mel is mostly a fraud from her chapter; therefore we can pretty much take everything she has said with a ironic grain of salt or, at the very least, chalk much of it up to misguided fanaticism. Unlike and as in comparison to, Moqorro, who is additionally unlikely to have a pov for this very reason.

[@InDeepGeek]

Lane Stapp - I'll be doing a series of videos later in the summer setting out what I think happened ...

[@lanestapp2]

I'm sure it will be great!

[@triffid6712]

Voice does not fit the face but love the videos, amazing work

[@allrightthen.6225]

Forgive my flights of fancy. Howlen is a faceless man.

[@deniserichards5555]

Maybe it was harlond reed in tourney

[@Optionsaregood]

Didn't Mera Reed say when she told this story, was not about Raghar and Lyanna?

[@melissaisloud7404]

Did Robert just predict Arya (the 1:05...) was going to kill the Night King?!? 😂

[@josephinewinter]

so burning the werewoods is about forgetting history and refusing to learn from humanity's mistakes?

[@najatalgayli7747]

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[@sunshinesilverarrow5292]

Thank you! Suggestion..on new books/author to discussion.. The farseer trilogy and all the other books in the Realm of the Elderlings by Robin Hobb. Graham Mctavish from the TV series Outlander who plays Dougal Mackenzie is my Burrich.. Who would you most likely want to see as ..any of the character in the books, in the upcoming TV series? (fingers crossed, right..😋 ..one can always hope that there will be someone, who will get that project started..) Take care! ☀️

[@rrrowdygirrrl]

Oh my gods, what if the Stark Dead worg into Nymeria's wolf pack? Or attach themselves in some way so that all the dead Starks have a wolf companion? Maybe that's why Nymeria needed to get a pack!

[@DrNothing23]

Hey Robert! Why do you think the show won't go with the Horn Sam (cough~Ghost) found being used to raise the dead Stark army? Not set up enough? Seems not too far out of that narrative IMO.

[@InDeepGeek]

Jeff Boerst - Yes, the showrunners love foreshadowing important plot points and they noticeably haven't even mentioned the Horn since it was found or referenced how the crypts make people feel as if they are being watched.

[@yousurf374]

Question:: The people of THE NECK... are they all exclusively Crannogmen or does a mix of them and decedents of first men and descendants of Andals also live there? Other than that, I am sure Howland can ride a horse, he got to Tower of Joy, but that he cannot ride a horse well, like for jousting, let alone carrying a lance.

[@bambookstudio6951]

Is HR married to Arthur Dayne's sister? is she the mother of Meerah and Jojen? Is he the one that married J+R?

[@drej1015]

You remind me of bilbo (martin freeman)

[@kyleboerner]

Howland is the ultimate bad guy, in cahoots with the children

[@lyannabanna6917]

Gender Issues: Children of the Forest vs Green Men vs WWs At least on the show, we have seen only feminine-looking CotFs and masculine-looking WWs. At the same time, guardians of the Isle of Faces are Green *Men.* What do you make of this?

[@johnst.baptiste3664]

Lyannabanna wow. never thought about that. I think on the second point, it might have to do with the NK himself. I have to think on the other two.

[@victoriasantoro6692]

I dont think we will see Howland at the show in S8..It has to be Meera more that represents the Reeds there...Maybe she knows who Jon is really ,..Howland in the books is hinted to had say to his kids the truth about of what happened into the Tower of Joy with Ned ,Lyanna and the rest there.He knows and so his children ...that explains why Jojen and Meera known how to find Bran and his companion in S3

[@drej1015]

Meera is not back for s8 , neither is Howland. So the show is going in another direction

[@rchr5785]

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[@melissaisloud7404]

I wish Robert was my GPS voice.

[@juliebbb6031]

The comment that Ned let everyone believe that he killed Arthur Dane (when in fact Howland Reed stabbed him) doesn't make a lot of sense to me. More likely Howland told people that Ned killed Dane (perhaps the first people they came upon after leaving the tower) for a number of reasons:1. Crannogmen are reclusive and Howland certainly didn't want the notoriety of being the one that killed the greatest swordsman that ever lived. 2. He owed the Starks for rescuing him from the bullies at the Tourney of Harrenhall so he gave Ned the credit.3. Killing Dane by stabbing him in the back was necessary but didn't meet the code of chivalry so Ned and Howland didn't really want to get a bad rep like Jamie did.4. It's GRRM drawing a connection between killing the Mad King and Dane. But showing that Jamie didn't care if people know and Ned does. (The only person that seems to die by chivalry is Prince Raegar. And Stannis in the show.)

[@christophermitchell7001]

Julie the problem is that the entire story surrounding the Tower of Joy is unbelievable.To address your point, though there are a host of other problems with these events as they are told to us in both book and show, is that no one talks about Ned being a great swordsman but he and his pals of lesser note(I imagine most people cant even name the other four), one of which is legendarily diminutive, take on and kill three of the greatest warriors in Westeros( one of whom is known to be only rivaled by Baristan Selmy in single combat skills). If we are to except these events as being true then they are clearly an open secret that people ignore because the propaganda of the Baratheon Throne is more appealing than the reality. I mean Robert was not the best King but he was a loved King, that is shown in book and in show. The people, Lords and commons alike, must just be letting details slide for the common good. More over It can also be another example of the many Dawkins Drift moments that GRRM spreads throughout these books, where what is believed or even said to be known about people/history/places/things are simply incorrect. The characters are swayed by this false info, even the readers are purposefully misled, and perpetuate false facts ignorantly adding layers of mystery to the narrative. However, and I believe likely to be the case here, (and I know people like to point to show events and say; "that is the story, deal with it") but D&D are horrible story tellers and have created massive discontinuity from incredibly well written/ error free source material. The inconsistencies here, because we in fact havent been given the actual story by GRRM via the books, are most likely show translation errors to speed the story along and are not representative of the actual story events. In book narrative, It is highly unbelievable that Ned would be welcomed by the Daynes. Then honored and venerated by them if he had been complicit in, what amounts to these individuals, as murder and not honorable combat.(Like I said above if these events play out this way, Everyone should obviously know Ned and Howland are lying about something) No; I dont know how the story will play out but the fact is that Arthor Dayne was not killed by Howland Reed or Ned Stark. Just like the Scooby Starks are not going to be responsible for killing Petyr Baelish and Jon's name is not Aegon. These things just dont make any sense and are clearly not a story that GRRM would write.

[@lyannabanna6917]

Another screenshot that may be important… drive.google.com/open?id=1affhXuq1rkku4fft2fkIgoV0XFaq0QsM. Who is the noblewoman holding a baby at the Tower of Joy? Could it be Ashara Dayne? Ned heard someone call his name from the window above (books only?). Lyanna was too weak to do so-Ashara knew his name.

[@InDeepGeek]

Lyannabanna - Yes, I think it's quite likely that Ashara Dayne was there. I'll be doing a whole series on what I think really happened at the ToJ / Robert's Rebellion later in the summer.

[@lyannabanna6917]

Please take a look at this screenshot- I think it’s important!: drive.google.com/open?id=1UzPjWpc041K33qSdHAcC2XPvQh1tDBai It was isolated from a split-second glimpse in one of Bran’s visions-a raven’s-eye view of The Isle of Faces. The contrast has been enhanced to improve visibility of the seven spiral elements, which match overhead views of the CotF’s cave hideout and the NKs’ “messages.” I cannot take credit for this brilliant observation-it was mentioned in a video about something else. I failed to save the link so I found another source for this purpose.

[@InDeepGeek]

Lyannabanna - Yes, that spiral is definitely an important link; it shows that the WW know their heritage and want the cotf/humans to understand that.

[@lyannabanna6917]

Please remember that this (contrast-enhanced) screenshot is isolated from one of Bran's visions. It is NOT an overhead view of the COTF's cave hideout. Rather, it documents a seven-legged spiral pattern surrounding The Isle of Faces. If this clue was not important, HBO show-runners D&D would have omitted it.

[@Go-Dawgs]

Do you think Howland knew he was sending his son to die with Bran & knew it had to be done? Do you think he knew his daughter must be the one to save Bran? I think he knew from the time he left the Isle of Faces his children would be important for the future.

[@whitedevil4122]

Wouldn't surprise me if he could have gone himself. Howland is a big shithouse with no honour.

[@ralphwaldow9615]

Suggestion for A Well Told Tale:This is, obviously, a very ambitious undertaking, and a full reading (esp. in 45 minute increments which is a good time length) may take weeks, if not more.I suggest you intermix some shorter readings and discussion. The best ones I can think of are some of the appendices of the Ring Trilogy. Take a couple of moments to put them into their historical context (not our history, theirs, and then read the excerpts);Tolkien was a philologist. He created the history and the language, themselves, as a prelude to the novels. History and language are the basis for the world he created. That sounds boring. It certainly is not. Ex.: there is specific reference and explanation of Arwen's tragedy after Aragorn died. The description is poignant, painful, and makes sense. There are many others, including the dwarves, fairies , and fleeting, magical characters.Did you know that Tolkien was a code breaker during WWII? What a world he lived and thought in?

[@ralphwaldow9615]

I like your avatar a lot better...but you still look like you have a bong collection.

[@joek81981]

What are two things a 4th grade wolf can do?

[@jabojr5171]

Hey In Deep, you made a couple of errors in your reading of the history. Reed did not go back to the Isle, he went to the shore and stared out at the isle and prayed. Also, the the squires did not fight with the Mystery Knight, she challenged the squires' Kights and after winning did not take their armor, but told them to teach their squired some manners, which they said they would.

[@InDeepGeek]

jabojr - Apologies if I mis-spoke. It's easy to do in a livestream. You're right on both counts. :)

[@jabojr5171]

Sorry, some days I'm anal retentive. You do an excellent job on your analysis.

[@mollyjones4813]

I don't think he stabbed Arthur Dane. If for no other reason than I don't think Ned would have considered him a good man or friend if he stabbed another man in the back. Even if it was to save his life. I could be wrong, but it just seems too...cheap.

[@tmdwu43]

Nope.Nah

[@tmdwu43]

Wtf

[@whitedevil4122]

From what I can see Howland Reed is a big coward who lacks honour.

[@agustasister5624]

Good grief...your mind is so much better than martin...to figure out things martin never fot around to explaining or dead ends...i.really.do not.like his stylenof.writing..any way..WHY ARE U NOT WRITING.