My LS swap runs on factory harness and PCM. All came from the junkyard. 450 dollars invested. Does burnouts every time it's driven. Everything can be found on the internet pertaining to getting it up and running. And it all started when my nephew seen some guy call the driveway engineer. I watched the video link he sent me.That Saturday we was at the junkyard. Two weeks later we where doing burnouts.Thanks for the awesome content.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
Man, I'm glad to hear I reach some people and they're out there having fun.
@garywithrow36373 жыл бұрын
Brain
@BrianSmith-id4cc3 жыл бұрын
@@garywithrow3637 yes its Brian Lol
@josephashcraft65393 жыл бұрын
JR you’re awesome bud. Like the guy above you make a lot of people believe they can do this. I haven’t made the leap yet, because my kid has been fighting fires out west, and I want to do this with him. Junkyards are so fun to us. I look forward to your future and I’ll be watching!! Thanks man!
@GlobalMediaInc3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Trust Us, Your Efforts & Work Has Not Been Done In Vain!
@jacobthornock3173 жыл бұрын
I pulled apart a 2001 Tahoe I obtained for free. Axle went to the burban cause it wasn't a Broken G80, transmission too after a good flush, steering box, vent covers, radio, stereo, 4x4 shift module ect all made a new home in the better runner. Now my secret was only the fuel pump was burned out and the engine had good compression. Therefore I put the motor aside and removed the entire harness and fuses, ect. I am using it for my 72 C-10. As I was looking for info on how to reuse the harness, I found your channel and boom, my financial concerns were no more. I have everything I need besides the battery, fuel pump and time. Thank you for keeping it simple. "Go out and enjoy your projects." I spread the word often.
@jrjr65263 жыл бұрын
Have you joined the facebook group ? 67 72 are my favorite trucks i only have 10 of them at the moment taken me all summer on my 72 c20 rebuilding the suspension
@jsmckee3 жыл бұрын
Love it!!! Everyone thinks they are Cleetus. This is great info for us poor folk just trying to build a fun weekend ride. Keep it up
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
And Cleetus, has pro's do everything for him lol.
@god1st.5303 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer You rt tho
@TrumpsEarBandage Жыл бұрын
Bald eagles ain’t cheap
@CountryMileGarage3 жыл бұрын
Good info ... personally I'd get it going as cheap as possible first and do up grades later. To many projects don't get finished because they get over thought. Stick to the basics finish the project then do updates and upgrades IMO
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@jeremyhanna38523 жыл бұрын
I been watching Jr for years listen to this man I have 2 swap vechicles one I did myself 6L ls in 50 buick I built the harness myself with little auto wiring knowledge used a guy on ebay to do computer cruise that car a ton had little torque converter problems at first but got it sorted Other vechicle is 52 gmc truck its a body swap on 2008 trailblazer I didn't do the work i adopted it not running thought it was vats it was a bad fuel pump it has nothing done to the computer it just has every factory wire stereo module ignition from the trailerblazer works fine
@irocdaily1993 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I started out a few years back with your stock pcm guidance/vids . Just recently went terminator just because of boosting. Stock pcm with a cam springs and bit of work did me great.
@fergusonfirearms4732 жыл бұрын
Terminator X marketing almost got me earlier today, and I'm so glad that I ran into this video. Thanks for the great info!
@TheDrivewayEngineer2 жыл бұрын
It works, it's fine... But man it doesn't do it for you lol
@johnelliott73753 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you are starting your own business and I hope you're successful and do well! I love watching the channel and I will miss the content and the awesome commentary you add to the content and it is in my opinion the best thing going and I will miss the new videos. God bless you and the family and great Friday to you and hope you have a great weekend!
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
There will still be the same content and videos! But thank you for the well wishes!
@joecameron34063 жыл бұрын
You're right started with stock now under boost with terminator still have to tune to make it run right and safely because fuel you buy at gas stations varies so much.
@ramirezbrian863 жыл бұрын
This video could not have come at a better time thanks was about to invest in hp tuners.
@chadwilbur5364 Жыл бұрын
I have hp tuners. I like it for small changes but a lot of it is above my head.
@kentaylor68423 жыл бұрын
Thanks guy. I appreciate the attention to detail that you always provide. You make LS swapping and the information so simple when everyone else want to make it Chinese Arithmetic. Thanks for all your help with these things. You do an awesome job!!!
@deanm41383 жыл бұрын
Always look forward to your videos, I have a complete 6.0 ( with the wiring harness, ecm, amd fuse block )for a swap this winter im going to do a cam and springs in it , I also have a vortec super charger that’s on my stock 5.7 motor in my 97 Tahoe. This is my 1st Ls swap so hopefully all goes well , thanks for the videos and explaining things Jr
@GlobalMediaInc3 жыл бұрын
Your Speaking Facts & Relaying Honest Information To Your Audience That You've Learned & Gained From Years Of Real World, Hands On Experience & Not Speculation And/Or Biased Opinions. That's Why I'm Subscribed, Always Like The Videos, Comment Occasionally, & Have Donated Several Times...
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad it helps!
@RedEyedPatriot3 жыл бұрын
You're a wealth of knowledge 😎🤘
@superc43083 жыл бұрын
Great info JR keep em coming
@johniex30003 жыл бұрын
Man that was cinematic magic all Silhouette like that! 👊 This is the way!
@CraftwerksMC3 жыл бұрын
I love how Peanut's just Army crawling around through the whole video, lol!!!!
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
He's a fool lol
@CraftwerksMC3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Just on a mission, who are we to know or argue better right?
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
@@CraftwerksMC he definitely has Peanut business to attend to
@joshuaredmond88583 жыл бұрын
Goddamnit! I guess I’ll go the tunerpro and PCM hammer route. I really wanted to give my money to HPTuners…
@rubezahlmountainworks79743 жыл бұрын
Did tuner pro and the hammer to run my gauges, starter motor,alternator and fans for my diesel swap.
@masoncampos70433 жыл бұрын
JR has some good videos on both. I think hp tuners is the way to go for the support that's out there for tuning. Unless you are savvy with that, I guess it doesn't matter then. But it also seems like tuner pro is a little trickier to navigate navigate.
@rksg20033 жыл бұрын
I understand what you are trying to get across. Use what you have you don’t have to spend 2k just to get the engine up and doing burnouts.
@django364ss33 жыл бұрын
Because you said you're not sure you want to show what's in the bag, makes me even more curious on what's in the bag!
@futrellgarage91533 жыл бұрын
My guess would be the Microsquirt but I could be wrong.
@TheProchargedmopar3 жыл бұрын
I have a Microsquirt, Unterminated wire harness, SEP 1000s, and content sensor. Been on shelf a couple years. 😂
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@devillenm55253 жыл бұрын
So check this out. My father passed away 8 years ago. He had a bag of clothes and a 1993 Chevy s10 and I became the owner of everything he had. 2 days before he passed away he says son one day I am going to put a v8 in this truck. Well I guess it's time to do what he wanted. And a 4.8 or 5.3 is what I want. Unfortunately I don't make much money. And I have a 5.3 with a set of 862 heads. But the damn thing is completely destroyed and not usable. So now I have to keep trying to find something i can afford. Im definitely capable mechanically to do the swap. Im here to learn how to do this on the cheap. Man I just need a good motor!!!
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
Are you in New Mexico? If so, your best best is probably going to be to buy a complete truck.
@devillenm55253 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer no i live in Louisiana. I know my best option is definitely a good full and complete motor with all the wiring and ecu. It's just finding one i can afford that's the challenge.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
@@devillenm5525 I found quite a few LS engines at a self service junkyard in Gulfport Mississippi, they're around
@devillenm55253 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer oh yeah I know there are unfortunately the self service yard in my town only has trash motors. But im sure i could make a little trip and find something.
@davidonmars3 жыл бұрын
There is a couple custom 3 bar os for tunerpro now.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
That's good!
@davetyson2331 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the info
@RedEyedPatriot3 жыл бұрын
The guy doing my swap used BP automotive from here in Kentucky.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
And they do great work, but they are also quite expensive.
@RedEyedPatriot3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer I'm 3800 into the swap with engine,new trans and harness. Lowering it and new driveshaft and couple odds and ends on the truck. Next build and swap I'm gonna do it myself with y'alls help. Thanks JR 😎🤘
@roadmasterk60193 жыл бұрын
Very impressive, this upload...
@larrydavis32703 жыл бұрын
I just purchased a 2007 6.0 from a 2500 Silverado. I purchased the Elgin 1840 cam, I've heard so many different takes on this my head is spinning, do I, or do I not need to have the PCM data changed do the new cam? I trust your opinion J.R.,that's why I'm here. Thanks man!
@martysheets68823 жыл бұрын
JR I think, and it's just a thought but I've heard people say the only big reason they buy aftermarket computers for is the self tuning feature, maybe it's just intimidating. I don't know. Thanks for the help Brother.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
It is, and it's not fool proof. That's what I want people to know, that it's not just automatic, they still have to do work. Spending 4x as much, people should know what they're getting
@martysheets68823 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer well they don't watch you like I do, but I'm trying to get them to I've learned a lot from you, and I know many others have also, keep up the great work JR.
@mjmarinara2 жыл бұрын
JR big fan of your mindset your videos always smack the nonsense out of me when i start running away with stupid expensive options for my ratty ls swap pickup. Im interested in any videos youve made going more in depth about tuning for a cam with the pcm hammer tunerpro method, i want to do a cam and 862s on my 6.0, got it runing stock reworking the harness myself and my buddy got it running via hptuners few years ago, was about to order a mpvi2 until this video…. Any direction to other videos of yours i can follow like you mentioned would be ultra appreciated✌️
@TheDrivewayEngineer2 жыл бұрын
There's a whole tuning playlist that can point you in the general firection
@mjmarinara2 жыл бұрын
Thank you JR i believe i found them under “tuning videos” from about 1 year ago. gonna try to learn some basics with tunerpro and pcm hammer, maybe start out by cloning another 0411 to cover my ass!! Then from watching one of your videos (PC/windows based…w/datalogging!) it seems it is quite comparable to making changes to the ve and idle table like hptuners, i believe you said that in this video as well^ Thanks again for all the knowledge you share!
@criskyro4 ай бұрын
the LS gods sent me to the right guy. Would you recommend a stock ecu with aftermarket harness for a turbo sbe 5.3 in a 1st gen s10 (HP tuners) or the terminator x max system. Goal is be a 10 second 1/4 mile truck and roll race. Will be going 4l80e with manual valve body. I will also add analog gauges to it. Will be going to someone to tune it. Boost by gear seems real intriguing to use and what not. After all the add ons and extras on either set up. What is the best solution for the $$$$? Thank you in advance if you take the time to answer my question boss.
@TheDrivewayEngineer4 ай бұрын
If you're genuinely going to use those features a Terminator or Holley HP is the way to go. Most people just watch Street Outlaws and decide they need all that and wind up with a disassembled truck and thousands of dollars
@kennybiggs39443 жыл бұрын
We would like to see you crank one on the system that you were showing us
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
I mean, there's two videos on the channel already of me doing that, but, like I said, if it doesn't sell by Saturday, I'll be doing that.
@kennybiggs39443 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Thank you man appreciate your information and his help when you help us guys it really don’t know
@davidallen61393 жыл бұрын
I have a dbc 5.3L that has your recommended cam and springs from previous videos, and now it needs to e tuned. How hard is it for a total newbie ( never tuned before) to VATS delete, sensors delete and anything else needed to tune my computer with tunerpro, hammer pcm? I would appreciate all the advice I can get !
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
I have step by step videos on that on the channel
@davidallen61393 жыл бұрын
I have watched many of your videos and I'm still at somewhat of a misunderstanding on how to really understand and use them. I don't understand what all the terminology is but I would really like to learn. I'm no dummy, but I'm not extremely computer literate with what everything means. Believe me I'm not the only person here who's trying to figure this out , so it's kind of a voice of the people question. We really do appreciate everything that you've done and continue to do for everybody.
@BDauto863 жыл бұрын
Not to mention there is tons of other good HP tuner content on KZbin. I work on cars for a living but mostly stock vehicle repairs and maintenance. Tuning is/was pretty new to me and I found plenty of videos to help get going.
@theshadetreewelder50433 жыл бұрын
for me i want to have a junkyard turbo ls, but i know that i will first need to learn how to handle the raw, un torque managed power of a cam only tuned ls (because i havent drove anything not stock), so i was thinking of swap with aftermarket, then cam, then turbo
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong with that
@levibaker9692 Жыл бұрын
Being a tuner you need all available tuning platforms.
@markscott84333 жыл бұрын
Steve'n seagulls. Love it
@johnraylangstonjohnraylang59243 жыл бұрын
Hello Question. CAN HP POWER BE FREE UP THOUGH THE PCM ONLY?? ENJOYED YOUR POST
@gregskufca7553 жыл бұрын
Looking at building a mild 95 350 and keeping thing old injector body setup. Any thoughts on older throttle body style system? 95 truck engine with stock 95 ecm.
@frankguerra33143 жыл бұрын
Love your videos.i have a 5.3 that I can't get it to start .I have the truck that it came in an it was good.i swap it out put everything into the other truck .now it's a crank no start.i have no Sparks 55 psi on the injectors.an it holds .I have 12v on all of them with key on.i put the noid light an it doesn't plussing.i change the cam crank all eight coils. Nothing. Help
@jmanthatsall4412 жыл бұрын
Peanut isn't army crawling . Dude needs a girl
@Dannymclovin3 жыл бұрын
Having trouble finding an xdf and a matching bin on gear head which is a bummer I think they have been deleted or links dont work anymore
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
There's a bunch in the files section on my Facebook group
@Dannymclovin3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer lol I appreciate that man but I wasnt accepted into it I was pretty blunt with my answers too
@nielsenl4171 Жыл бұрын
Got a question for you I'm going to do a manual swap in my 2007 gmc yukon xl it's has 5.3 throttle by wire who would you recommend for me to send my computer into to delete the 4l60e ( I hate autos) this is all new to me I just want it done right the first nothing fancy just stock 5.3 thanks for your time
@TheDrivewayEngineer Жыл бұрын
John Flanders, find him on FB
@petithor3 жыл бұрын
dude i like watching your content but stop telling me to fuck off at the start of every video lmao
@JR-sx9rw3 жыл бұрын
I look occasionally looked for the dongle most times it was out of stock ordered up a delete tuned pcm from my truck site I belong to debating on hp tuners i have 2 03 truck donors and probably add a 3rd to the list. Yes I plan on doing a turbo half ton in the future doubt i will push it high as 800 hp probably make it 500 to 600 hp
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
OBDlink LX is in stock every day, everywhere. Can get them at Walmart even lol.
@JR-sx9rw3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Walmart Whitehorse does not they barely even have oil in stock anymore. Last i looked was last year some places do not send to the land of ice and snow to the north either. I am not in a rush i have one delete tuned pcm 1 spare coming up on 2 years healing my badly shattered leg finally l get to move from crutches to a cane
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
@@JR-sx9rw online, you have to order the OBDlink, Walmart carries it online as does Amazon
@trentdawg28323 жыл бұрын
Hell a nice cammed 6.0 will put you over 500 hp....
@JR-sx9rw3 жыл бұрын
@@trentdawg2832 I know I will probably do a torque build with a 6 liter in a k30 build
@fixins3 жыл бұрын
Microsquirt? If that is what you've got, I'd like to see you get it going.
@james107393 жыл бұрын
I really want to do a speeduino because how cool is it to have a motor running of an Arduino and it's cheap
@frankguerra33143 жыл бұрын
I want to see my datako on the street with this 5.3
@xozindustries74513 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on tuning a big block L21 style motor, I got the GM performance front cover with the cam and crank sensors and it has the LS style coils on the valve covers, port injection so I can do sequential injection and individual cylinder tuning, it’s for a Motorhome and they always have issues with lean cylinders. I was thinking terminator max because of the 4L80e and I can do drive by wire, but there’s no cruise control which is bullshit. Any thoughts let me know.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
You can use a normal LS 411 PCM to run that, and HP Tuners or whatever you like to tune with. That's a build I've wanted to do for a long time.
@xozindustries74513 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer the best part I forgot to include is the short block is a 502 crate motor
@NightWrencher3 жыл бұрын
"Secret package" huh 🤔
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
I've had that for about four months and haven't even opened it, that's how fast I'm moving
@NightWrencher3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer i was 1000% sure you were going stock ecu 😬
@TheProchargedmopar3 жыл бұрын
LS PnP Microsquirt??
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
I'm not paying for some plug and plug bullshit 😂
@TheProchargedmopar3 жыл бұрын
@NightWrencher It's a Carb rebuild kit in a bag 💼. 😂 😝
@mjmarinara2 жыл бұрын
Is a wideband and an afr gauge considered a necessary addition to the $50 dongle and the free software?
@TheDrivewayEngineer2 жыл бұрын
I don't consider a wideband necessary for any NA car
@WelcometoHell32 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineerafter some technical difficulties getting ironed out I'm getting the hang of this its really fun!! I've since cloned a spare pcm, corrected speedo raised rev limit and actually enabled pe mode feels like iswapped out a 2 barrel for a good ol double pumper! but I'm wondering where this is gonna go when I do a cam...pcm logger is kinda shoddy and I haven't yet figured out a good opensource way to logg anything so I'm wary of playing with spark blind... in a few videos specifically "Tunerpro basic LS tuning how to, free tuning software" you say: "i really really highly recomend that you have a afr gauge if youre gonna do a cam and if youre gonna mess with the ve table umm theres just really no way around it...i really encourge yu to have an air fuel ratio gauge...." so um yeah despite what you say here I'm kinda feeling more what you said there... any more elaboration? thanks brotha
@mjmarinara2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer getting the hang of this its really fun! with your suggested method ive cloned a spare pcm corrected my speedo bumped the rev limiter and enabled PE! (ill tell you me boy like swappin that ole carter 2 for a double pumper yee that somufbitch jump a coke can all daynow!!!!) im learning this so i can dial in 862s and a ss2 or whatever in the near future and looking at playing with spark i can already see the shortcomings of no logging and no afr...pcm logger so far is pretty shoddy doesnt really do to much afaik so...in your video "Tunerpro basic LS tuning how to, free tuning software" you say: "i really really highly recommend that you have a afr gauge ifyoure gonna do a cam mess with the ve table theres just really no way around it...again ireally encourage you to have an air fuel ratio gauge..." thinking any past of doing what ive done so far, stone STOCK swap sort of thing pcm hammers fantastic but fuel or spark for cam etc... hp tuners still might be the way to go if only for logging...and an afr gauge on an n/a after all? ...maybe not Necessary but uhh any further elaboration? thanks JR
@TheDrivewayEngineer2 жыл бұрын
There is a PCM Hammer/logger function, I've not used it yet, but it's out there
@billmanj19793 жыл бұрын
Could you point me in the direction of the $50 dongle?
@SSKev1213 жыл бұрын
Is there anything wrong with using the 3 bar HP tuners OS when running turbos? When I finally get around to building my drag toy that was my plan.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
No, not at all. There's more cells to use on a 2 bar map, but if you're going to use more than 14psi of boost, 3 bar is the way to go.
@SSKev1213 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Thank you.
@juanvela22293 жыл бұрын
I was worried about your dog getting to close to the street!
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
He's a good boy, he does not go in the road.
@robertmontalvo5973 жыл бұрын
I watched at X1.5 speed lol. HP tuners for me
@xozindustries74513 жыл бұрын
Any cheap wiring harness for a stock computer for a 2003 GMC Envoy 5.3 drive by wire engine with a 4L60e. We ordered a terminator X six months ago and it just keeps getting put off every month, so I don’t think it’s ever going to come in
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with the harness in it?
@xozindustries74513 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer it has the pedal wiring cut off of it
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
So just replace that pig tail, idk why you'd get an entire new harness for that
@xozindustries74513 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer I can look for one, I was just looking for one that was trimmed down already, not a lot of time right now, it’s my sons first car, just wanted to get it done for when he gets his license, up against a deadline
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
If this is in a swap, and of the DBW eBay harnesses will work. I've shown, and said, again and again, they work fine with no trimming.
@1411MEDIA3 жыл бұрын
How does a stock computer work when it comes to doing an LSA setup ?
@about20883 жыл бұрын
It can be done, but you have to tune it
@garywithrow36373 жыл бұрын
I am doing ALS swap I've deleted stuff out of the worrying harness it tries to start We'll not stay running it runs about 2 seconds and quits and keeps that up that up I was told the the security his security system is stopping it is there a way to delete the security system Thank you?
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2HZqGaQaNR_nZI
@TylerRogersUSA3 жыл бұрын
Just bought a 24 tooth LS2 with the E40 ECU and a T56. Wondering the best/cheapest approach to this. I made a Gen3 bench harness but as you know these ECUs are completely different. Leaning towards the terminator as the harness is a bit crusty anyway. Would love your input JR, great video as always *Just saw your blue textbox note. A shame, but there are people that can clear VATS on the stock E40...
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the trans you want to use. Holley can't run the 6 speeds, if I personally went Gen IV, like half the reason would be for a 6 speed lol
@TylerRogersUSA3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer It was a complete pullout with a 6 speed T56 so I should be fine to run the holly. Or are you saying it cant run a 6 speed manual trans for some reason?
@ernestomejia1103 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer i'm confused. You said Gen IV on the video and Gen IV on this comment. I believe you meant to say Gen V. The LT engines, right. The Gen IV's are almost the same as the Gen III
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
I meant Gen IV, they aren't anywhere near the same when it comes to tuning for free, using a factory harness, or in having aftermarket control of the automatic transmissions
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
No, a manual transmission is fine, the automatic 6 speeds are not.
@patrickramsay57013 жыл бұрын
but my 4.8 will make 1000 tire NA with the aftermarket PCM.
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
Only of you use the best rods
@patrickramsay57013 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrivewayEngineer but the power block..lol
@burtcoffman46693 жыл бұрын
I was expecting to get tuning instructions 😕
@TheDrivewayEngineer3 жыл бұрын
On 3 different platforms in a 12 minute video? Better believe in the autotune lol.
@TheProchargedmopar3 жыл бұрын
👍💪
@billkerksiek2083 жыл бұрын
Dumbass question, but what all inputs does a 411 need to run? I'm sure the information is out there, I'm just searching the wrong terms.