HTC Vive Cosmos review: Is it worth $699?

[@Lvlaple4Ever]

HTC: Help This Company

[@JoaoPedro-so3to]

best android ive ever had. im cheering for them

[@neitherlink6612]

João Pedro I remember when they used to smoke Samsung in terms of software and finish, they were doing premium metal devices while Samsung’s galaxy looked like a literal band aid.

[@kappasike]

Lmao

[@nonsuspiciouscolour]

I am happy they are missing ces, not happy for the reason.

[@Mr_Buckets]

@@JoaoPedro-so3to Same, I have no problem with HTC. Had a couple phones and the Vive1.

[@dmacell4110]

As an original vive owner this headset is not so good. After 4 days it went back. The occlusion tracking is horrendous. Even my Odessy plus tracks better with only 2 cameras.

[@raandomplayer8589]

o lol thats rough XD

[@kappasike]

I would get rift s I had pretty much the exact same experience as you did but I don’t own an odyssey plus

[@petarbozanovic]

Its a lot better now. I got one, they fixed the tracking with updates. The rift s also took a few months to make everything right. HTC got too much backlash imo. The headset is better than the rift s in every aspect if you look at the specs.

[@petarbozanovic]

@Jackson Cowdrey It literally had so many problems. I have both the Rift S and the Vive Cosmos and I find the cosmos to be the better headset currently.

[@nonsuspiciouscolour]

@@petarbozanovic Me to.

[@MannyVel]

You have to pull ‘out’ on the top of the speaker arm and push the speakers in towards your ears (at the same time) to lock them against your head. I happened to come across this trick while playing with it.

[@supremenycstore3130]

got me so frustrated when the sensors couldn’t detect any lights and sometimes the tracking sucks on the controller

[@rhettorical]

The major hurdle I have with VR is that I don't have a very big space to set up the trackers. Completely wireless VR is exactly the solution I need, and I think that's probably who this is for. It'd also be nice for portability, since you'd need only to bring along a VR-ready computer, without worrying about how to set it up and calibrate it.

[@raandomplayer8589]

Ever heard of pulleys? some had been using it to mitigate the wire problems

[@viseworksvisual]

How is it compared with the original Vive? Which one should I get? Thank you! :)

[@Alpha-gk6hd]

Its shit in comparison

[@viseworksvisual]

@@Alpha-gk6hd well that's mean, but it's true haha :D

[@chromosomehoarder6927]

Got mine for 250$ on eBay, got the external tracking plate for 200$ bay stations for 180$ and knuckles controllers for 350$ and wireless kit for 250$ this head set is great for upgrading

[@GabrielTobing]

Indeed, start small then you can go large.

[@steve9189]

So it seems that to actually use this thing that you have to have perfect lighting? What happens if you come home at night and want to play and the lighting isn't good in your room? The Rift S seems to work well in most lighting situations. Why even launch this when it's a gamble whether it tracks or not.

[@kasuraga]

it seems like you need daylight like lighting in your room just to use this thing. ridiculous. steamvr tracking will always be best.

[@Mood138]

They have pushed out a patch that has greatly improved the low light issue and tracking.

[@K3vyB]

@@Mood138 No it hasn't lmfao they literally only muted the warnings to mislead morons like yourself, but the shit tracking is still there and will be for a long time. Hint: they're using stock smartphone RGB image sensors, unlike the rift S' noIR lowlight sensors which were purpose built.

[@jarisipilainen3875]

go hardware strore buy some laser markers.make your dark room. red grid lol

[@Morenob1]

I've bought the Original Vive when it first came out for 600 euro second hand guess i'll keep it.

[@Sprizys]

is the viveport subscription required or can I just use steam?

[@copingflower1909]

I have looked at HTC's past pricing and compared them to how much they are now and I still gotta say with vr consumers now if your going to make a vr headset it has to be two things for now anyways it either A has to have enough power under the hood to warrant a hearty price tag or B is a very in exspensive device that almost anyone could buy

[@kittenburger_prime]

You really can't put a price on wireless VR IMO. That's the killer feature and nobody else offers it. Absolute positioning provided by inside out and/or lighthouse is the next big differentiator.

[@Charlatan-wn6ir]

I bought my htc vive second hand for 200 dollars and im so happy

[@Tanepiccreper]

So do you think I should also get it because I’m trying to find a vr headset so is this one worth it?

[@Goodgamer78]

yougotgamesonyourphone? Vibe Cosmos = trash. Go for a Rift S, CV1 or Index for PCVR. The original Vive is super old right now, so If you want something more modern I suggest the Rift S or Index. What’s your IPD?

[@Charlatan-wn6ir]

@@Goodgamer78 Very bad, the old vive is perfect, has an incredible performance and tracking, knowing that the vive is not on sale anymore you can find it cheaper then a rift s for second hand and the valve os 1000 dollars. So i really recommend the vive

[@deadhell304]

VR still needs a low priced, high quality offering for the majority of PC gamers. HTC in my opinion should continue to manufacture the original HTC Vive and lower the cost to under $400 with economies of scale. If they don't do something like this, and can, then they are possibly contributing towards hindering the growth of the VR market.

[@ijkl4945]

Where can I buy the 3.0 port I can’t find it anywhere

[@buckymorelike]

Usb 3.0? If you can't find it, you have a few options. 1. If you're using a laptop, you could try looking for a "USB C" port on it. But if your laptop has usb c and _doesnt_ have USB 3, I'd be really worried. 2. On desktop, if you have an extra PCI-E slot, (you can check my doing some googling to understand fully what that is, then opening up your desktop) you can buy a USB 3.0 PCI-E card.

[@sonny12681]

Is there less bugs in the Vive Cosmos than the Oculus S ?

[@Cavemanrocketmail]

I have use both and the rift s is definitely the better headset. I've had only a couple moments while using the rift s where I would have tracking issues but with the cosmos it would be basically unusable unless I used with every light on. If I didn't turn on every light it would say that the environment was too dark but if I opened my blinds on my window it would complain about it being too bright. honestly its so bad I don't think they will be able to fully fix it with software patches. I read online that the sensors they put on the headset are a major issue and will be a huge bottleneck for the tracking in the future. At this point, the best headset to get is the index followed by either the original vive or the rift s.

[@tysonbell3524]

Remember prices vary depending on location and cost of components

[@aquaticborealis4877]

The Valve Index doesn't have the high end locked up. For example, the Reverb has a much higher resolution.

[@kasuraga]

yeah but it still uses WMRs crappy tracking and remote.

[@Simlife101]

Aquatic Borealis the Index is the top of the line in VR consumer VR at least. He was referring to the Hertz of the panel being able to do 80hz 90hz 120hz and 144hz. The Index is WAY more advanced than the Reverb. You are just looking at resolution so what else would you say it has over the Index lol

[@Simlife101]

also he is referring to the whole package. The Index is the only headset that covers all most everything but the Reverb has one its resolution. no IPD adjustment. over priced terrible tracking with not enough cameras to do tracking correctly. So where do you get the idea that the Index Is NOT ahead of all the competition?

[@kasuraga]

@@Simlife101 Exactly. Reverb only has resolution. iirc it has worse FOV, worse tracking, worse controllers, worse audio. Just having resolution means nothing when everything else is junk. That's like buying a 30 year old rusted out junker and saying "Yeah, but it has LEATHER SEATS" as if that makes the whole experience of owning a crap car worth it.

[@Simlife101]

@@kasuraga I agree as I said the Reverb is the worst VR headset to come out in 2019 and that's saying something. They rushed the Reverb out to be on sale for Xmas with all the other VR headsets but IMO it was a mistake. Now everyone has seen the terrible reviews they will buy something else. They would of been better off holding back on release get it perfect and include the lighthouse tracking face plate as standard. I think they messed up big time lol. If you were in the market for a new VR headset and the budget was about £1k what would people go for? The Index imo Imo the index is by far the best VR headset you can but for under £1k UK

[@ConradFiat]

I'll just probably save up for the Valve index, Because these prices are high for the these HTC one's. Might aswel just wait a two extra months. Lol.

Beatsaber should count playing on a Cosmos as ghost controller handicap.

[@chocolate1donut]

Oh my God try playing Pavlov on it

[@Blyskawic4]

For some reason its now $829.00, Can someone tell me why it increased itself?

[@brendanjrice7307]

It isn’t on its official website, where are you getting this price?

[@5phany5]

Probably cuz of the lockdowns going on... people are bored.

[@icewalker]

is this comfortable with glasses?

[@topoffthecoupe1871]

No.

[@Ammunaeus]

Let's not forget the fact that the controllers have a battery life of what feels like 2 or 3 hours. It's pretty sad, and there's no recharging station or anything, so you might as well toss packs of batteries in the trash unless you plan on buying recharging stations and such.

[@rb806gaming2]

I don't play vr more than 30 minutes at a time, and its psvr at that

[@spookykitty2327]

does not work with any controllers that use base stations unless if you buy a $200 dollar mod that isnt even releasing until Q1 2020. only bonus is they actually have the ability to keep up with demand (looking at you, valve)

[@juji19]

Isn’t the Cosmo supposedly future proof?

[@bug2525]

In the year of 2025. There would be a suit to track the bodies entire motion in VR

[@gamelatchkr]

There is no suit but there are trackers you can put on your body (3 recommended 5 max) and they are very expensive

[@PheonixStarsx]

Does it work well with vrchat

[@imhere1232]

Will you ever lose tracking?

[@imhere1232]

@Sergius rip

[@nonsuspiciouscolour]

Especially when you sit down.

[@bijani2855]

@Sergiusade_ not true.. you'll probably looae tracking twice a week..

[@EddiePReacts]

I have an OG oculus rift and i loved it outside of the ridiculous amount of cables. But VR will never be mainstream until they work on pricing. Its atrocious and far too high to get people to TRY your product

[@iceius5804]

Ok, i realize most think both Rift S and Index has better value than the Cosmos, but i can get the Cosmos for the same price as the Rift S, is it worth it or not?

[@IReallyDoNotKnowWhatToPutHere]

No not at all, the controllers are ridiculously heavy, the tracking is horrendous and the headset isnt remotely comfy, know 4 people that bought it to review it, 3 returned and one kept just to add to his collection, not use. Money would be spent much better on a different headset.

[@toyotatrd]

I have the exact same question. Since your comment was posted 5 months ago wondering if you had an answer.

[@bababoey3315]

Make a new video with updated cosmos ! Please

[@nexxus_1962]

I know this is a very late response, but don't buy it. Get something like a Rift S but stay away from something like the quest 2 for PCVR.

[@RajeshRoy402]

the HTC Vive is a device that uses outside-in tracking and not inside-out tracking.

[@mli3793]

Haha common be honest. Its not better than the rift S... The tracking is just a huge mess and the design is everything bad from the windows MR headsets.

[@zoom9826]

Meowdy Partner I mean the specs are technically better but not the whole thing in total

[@jackturpin7828]

If the Cosmos was a car it would be recalled the tracking is horrible. That is why they are now releasing a new faceplate attachment to turn it in to a Vive Pro [for an extra couple of hundred] and you will have to use the old controllers, so base stations controllers = Vive Pro.. I have the old Vive and my brother bought the Cosmos two days later he took it back, the store is treating it as a return for repair and he is trying to get his money back. Cosmos is a rip off with Vive trying to pretend that the faceplate is just an optional extra.

[@FireFoxBancroft]

HTC needs to go back to the Lighthouse tracking, the Tracking on the Cosmos is broken.

[@petarbozanovic]

Vegeta2988 they fixed it with updates. I got a vive cosmos and it works great

[@moesif]

Awesome review! I'm looking to get into the vr space now after playing the old headset at a vr place

[@runsgllynesangcadmasaronay9749]

That's tro 699?

[@stickyhandcommentary4997]

699 yet the five pro was over 1,000

[@adamprestidge4775]

LOL this is how you do VR wrong in 2019

[@GSTACK57]

adam prestidge why is that?

[@wonkus871]

The only thing they got wrong was the price point

[@RTXWill]

@@wonkus871 And the glitchy tracking. And the massive controllers which also struggle to be tracked by the headset.

[@wonkus871]

@@RTXWill - The same old issues with inside out tracking. I've got a WMR myself, and can deal with the shortcomings, because it was SO much cheaper!

@@wonkus871 The problem is nopt really the inside out tracking. The problem is HTCs software or sensors. Inside out does work great on many devices. But the cosmos fucks it up really badly. The tracking is as accurate as on a 50 dollar headset, the "guessing" of the algorythm is just downright wrong literally all the time and there are massive stutters even when the controllers are in sight all the time. Literalöly every headset on the market has better tracking than the Cosmos. And for that pricepoint, that is unacceptable. The fact that they still did not fix it seems to lead to the conclusion that it is an actual hardware problem.

[@Scypher0th]

whatever happened to the knuckle controllers?

[@JeanFrancoisWatierJee]

It as been released... where you under a rock?

[@Simlife101]

Scypheroth have you been visiting Mars. The valve index has 2 controllers with it yes... They are the knuckles controllers. You saw them in this video lol. how dumb. There not called Knuckles controllers that was there code name the release name is index controllers because they come with the Valve Index. Why would you see valve controllers on a HTc VR headset. Valve and HTC are not the same. HTC and Valve hooked up to make the vive and vive pro but the cosmos is nothing to do with Valve

[@blackfedora1834]

YEP. Love for the video man. well done

[@MichaelAaronBerger]

you are a good reviewer, and I like the way this was edited.

[@steel5897]

Man the PC VR market is seriously at risk right now. Valve is in la la land overpricing everything and going for "uncompromising quality" when VR doesn't need that right now, it needs to go mainstream, $1000 plus a PC to drive that thing at 144hz is not the way to go. Then we have HTC completely dropping the ball... Oculus is doing some great stuff, Rift S is an affordable and competent PCVR headset for the masses, and the Quest is the first step in a new frontier that will no doubt increase the reach of VR into the mainstream, outside even PC gamers. But here's the thing, Oculus is owned by Facebook, and as a silicon valley tech giant, Facebook is very likely to just kill Oculus entirely any day now, the company is already bleeding employees including Oculus engineers. If Oculus goes, the VR market is fucked, Valve is on the wrong path and HTC doesn't have a good product. There is zero entrypoint for the mainstream if that happens, Oculus is the last bastion.

[@ValentineNTT]

I have the first HTC Vice which was worth the price cause of how new it was and how great it was, after that the pro was over priced and under delivered and this is just a joke, HTC Vive is done

[@ValentineNTT]

@ The Valve Index is amazing!

[@ValentineNTT]

Get yourself "Half Life: Alyx" through Steam (Maybe there's a sale going) and get ready for a gaming experience like no other

[@icekangz817]

I like unbiased reviews. I own the original vive and I would think they would be on par with or above the valve index.

[@9714]

You could have chosen a good looking model.

[@hamad-ml1hw]

simple: NO

[@gustav023]

kkkkkkkkk $699, is it a problem? 96 hours of work. In Brazil it costs 3x more. Almost 10 months of salary

[@JesusAmaTeMenino]

5k cê compra um na promo aqui.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

VR has the potential to be so amazing but progress seems to be so slow. Games look like really early beta or massive even alphas! Why can't we just put it on in a game like GTA V and the controls where you look and fire (central crosshair) and the normal controller still does the rest.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@spacewombat4569 I totally agree, VR has the potential for so much more than that but we won't get there without mass adoption and until we get there i think adding support for popular games would be a massive step forward for VR in terms of adoption and popularity. Racing games and flight sims are an absolute must but what is there? FPS would be immensely more immersive if you played with a VR helmet on and looking around was controlled with your head but it's just not happening fast enough.

[@jeevana.6391]

This is more to do with graphics power. VR has to be run at very high, extremely stable frame rates with high resolution to look proper. You also have to take into consideration that techniques that games normally use, like only rendering part of the frame, don't work nearly as well or efficiently. As for the part with moving with just the controller, I'm pretty sure some games do allow it, but it isn't very popular because it causes motion sickness.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@jeevana.6391 You might be right and hardware simply isn't ready for VR yet, I would just love to try out a FPS like Halo or even something like GTA V with a VR helmet on. It would feel a million times more immersive than staring at a standard flat screen, maybe it wouldn't work because of motion sickness but I really want to try. I can't see any issues with racing and flight sims though as there is no real 'movement' in those, you are just sat in a seat with the world going past you. It is going to be interesting to see what Sony does with the PS5 and the PSVR 2. Even if the console is only powerful enough to render twin 1080p at 90Hz, that would still be sweet if the console gives it the support VR needs to get mass adoption with a large number of games at a price that is accessible.

[@FiliusFidelis]

@@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt there are several videos out there of people playing gta5 in vr through mods, I do assume you mean official support though.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@FiliusFidelis oh right, well I didn't know that, I'll check them out thanks but yeah for VR to go mainstream it would need to be official and on consoles too.

[@crazytech5755]

Thanks to the Virus, now you can't even GET a vr headset. And if you can? a 300 dollar or 400 dollar quest will be 600+ All others are sold out as well. Insane.

[@Mood138]

Comparing the Quest to the Cosmos is not a comparison that makes sense. The Quest has horrible graphics and performance compared to even the Rift S. The people who would buy the Cosmos want a luxury experience and most likely wouldn't settle for the experience they would receive from the Quest.

[@K3vyB]

There's nothing luxurious about this shit headset except for the price.

[@bennimize9602]

I own both device there’s nth different. The cosmos has better headset like the comfort and better audio and that’s basically it. I find the quest is far more better in software and also the tracking is way better and smooth and I don’t really mind with the graphic. Would you add almost the double the price for that extra features.

[@viva7642]

No, HTC is better than oculus since now oculus wants your facebook at hand. Of course, the price $699 is unbearable. :(

[@realpoorman3154]

It’s ok you wrong but it’s ok

[@viva7642]

@@realpoorman3154 Can you elaborate? Or you just a quiet guy like they all did, don't tell and will fix the problem?! If I am wrong i will admit it but if you just throwing stuff without explanation, that's stupid.

[@realpoorman3154]

@@viva7642 I said you were wrong because the cosmos could have been cheaper then if they did viveport and the game store differently

[@chronic_nova7967]

who came just because of the giveaway of josh and mully

[@predragilic6501]

I did and i hope i win i hope you win too bud :D

[@ras_krystafari3333]

Wow its entirely obsolete because of Quest and its link, wowee very complicated...

[@mylestheman]

The only reason the oculus is so cheap is because Facebook wants your info

[@nexxus_1962]

sadly true

[@sigurdbye4275]

Tracking? Worse. Controller battery time? Worse. Price? Worse.

[@chilldude30]

It's clear that oculus are the best and steam for high end. I don't trust HTC to support these products for long.

[@emilioincerto]

No comparison to hp or Samsung?!?

[@weishen6856]

Incerto is that a joke?

[@emilioincerto]

@@weishen6856 no it's a question on why these great headsets aren't compared

[@jessett7827]

I guess HTC was inspired by the Index's off ear headphones :D

[@kasuraga]

the headphones are the same as the deluxe audio strap.

[@n_ux]

Lol, $699 and 300 plus for the wireless adapter= $999 Just get the valve index.

[@RAJESHROADIES-ks9ny]

Nice products but little bit expensive

[@Aeriant.]

I think it was HTC's plan to have shitty tracking, So they can say "See! Look how shitty inside out is! Now buy our lighthouse tracking faceplate!" thus raising the price to 900$ plus 270$ for the lighthouses. Just buy the Rift S or index guys.

[@levi-mg6ue]

stop comparing the fucking index to the cosmos their two totally different fucking headsets

[@ai1410]

Quick answer; no.

[@tjoerum-1738]

When valve makes their own headsets HTC: completely copy’s rift s

[@shaydream3103]

oculus is pretty much unusable, with a plethora of issues. so this just might be the cheapest functioning headset?

[@viva7642]

Yeah, i guess so. :(

[@TheCort1971]

its worth it not to give facebook anything at all.

[@VactorVerse]

Nice shirt Devindra :)

[@Gamingwithmatteo311]

This video is unexpectedly positive

[@Simlife101]

GamjngWithMatteo well you have never seen this guy before then, all this channel does is butt fuck all the VR companies. Never give a bad review. They just want your views

[@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784]

Ladies man strikes again !

[@laughtrack686]

You stole another review for your script.

[@jamesrgamesoffical]

Which review

[@runsgllynesangcadmasaronay9749]

Thr

[@viva7642]

$699 for HTC Cosmos + $2000 or so for a laptop/PC gaming :)

[@junkmail103]

video summary: no.

[@ElgenRBX]

Vive reminds me of apple, just worse

[@shineonnent.7951]

Impossible valve dont have a 1k dollar monitor stand

[@miskaliska6457]

Rip cosmos

[@nisuk5144]

lul

[@Da323Guy]

Shitty Fov! So expensive and they cant improve the fov!

[@sircasino614]

Isn't it's fov better than index?

[@pugtactics2195]

I love this headset

[@hamad-ml1hw]

simple answer: NO!

[@cidvile]

Cool

[@basky7246]

1st Comment

[@jeremyevans9629]

Wow you've finally achieved something in life

[@adnanbaloch7064]

@@jeremyevans9629 hahaha

[@basky7246]

@@jeremyevans9629 Ha Ha.... 😂

[@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784]

Loser

[@XKXKXKXKXKXKXKXK]

I have no comparison. I only own tge vive pro eye (1500! €) And this is definitely to much for the experiences. If i had another headset i could compare. I will buy another one (perhaps the Oculus rift). Till now i'm happy with it...