HTN CF25 "Black Aluminum", Carbon Fiber Reinforced High Temp Nylon Filament from Essentium

[@SinSchism]

I love the professional self-edit. "It will really ff...screw up"

[@circleofowls]

HTN-CF25 is our go-to filament for anything that requires significant strength, it's an absolutely fantastic material to print with. I'd wondered how it compared to the other CF nylon products, it's great to see that it was just as good as I suspected. Another small point, the way that Essentium surrounds the carbon with the nylon sheath substantially reduces the wear and tear on your extruder gears since it keeps the abrasive carbon away from the gear teeth.

[@AshGreen359]

I'd like to see it compared side by side with Ultem and PEEK

[@JazAero]

I've said this before and I stand by it, this channel reminds me of an infomercial. Right down to the opening monologue which was literally reading word for word verbatim from the print advertisement. but gave us no real information. And when they had the chance to give us real information what did they do? Told us to go reference the spec sheet on their website. Really? The thing we care about the most you tell us to go look up? In a 20 minute video? And please please enough already with the unscientific totally biased absolutely useless "testing" where you bend something in your hands that were supposed to imagine a strain gauge attached to your muscles? Or shows a bicycle handbrake lever and tell us how strong it is? Strong where? At the pivot joint where it would tear out and be most likely to fail? Or how about at the cable attach point which would be under the most tension and possibly rip out? Come on guys, Make some test coupons put them in a definitive jig and test them/break them and show us the absolute "real" numbers! These videos do everything but say "but wait there's more, and if you order now…" right down to the constant references to where we can purchase these materials on their own website. Maybe that's why you only have 9000 subscribers instead of 900,000 given the number of people who actually own 3D printers.

[@tomgrant6563]

The bending/breaking by hand is sort of a great idea- not meant to 'give real numbers' but portray general the stiffness and and failure modes of different materials. However, I think he makes the mistake of not comparing to a control material to show the DIFFERENCE in strength with these special materials.

[@klave8511]

Strength is 148 on the xy and 24 on zx, so you do loose a bit ???? Like 84% less. If that’s a bit then I can’t believe anything else.

[@FATSNAIL-FPV]

But but but! It's packaged! In a BAG!!!! Yeah after seeing 5 videos of this guy regurgitating the same stuff (insert name of specific filament for the video) everytime, I lost interest for the other content they always refer to... O wait... That's usually footage at some congress or 3d printing show meant to sell stuff to customers. And all you need is a VACUUM CHAMBER to dry the filament! They happen to sell that to.. but you should also get the filament dryer! And...!!!

[@dillan6134]

@@tomgrant6563that’s the thing. Even if he HAD used a control material, we have ZERO way to know what force he’s applying to them, since he’s using his hands and not something definitive, objective, and consistent.

[@tomgrant6563]

@@dillan6134 nah but he explains how it feels and you can see and hear it. I think it's good and quite useful. I was the person (or one of) who suggested years ago they do a hand-bend test and I was delighted when they started doing it!

[@santiagoblandon3022]

I'm just wondering... Were the Nylon prints moisture conditioned? Please don't forget to test Polymaker Polymide PA6-CF :D

[@TheNerfherder1000]

I just printed a few jigs and press fixtures with this out of my Creality K1. Surprisingly printed very well and it's stupid strong. I'm pushing about 1000 pounds on this jig with a hydraulic press and it's taking it like a champ every time! I printed a 7.5mm rod out of it longways and I cant even break it!

[@j6077xxd]

Cant wait to see the comparison to ultem, cf ultem, cf peek etc. Very cool vid, cheers!

[@brittangolden3105]

some day..

[@swolebro]

10:40 - "Huh, weird. That looks like a fixture for mounting a lower by the grip web"... a few seconds later, the label on the part... "CERRO AR-15" Called it!

[@benjaminpauza159]

Did that Nylon comparison video come out? I'm not seeing it on your channel. Thanks!

[@VisionMiner]

Almost there -- we built a UTM testing device, so we're doing a scientific shootout with actual numbers!

[@Scarastef]

Thanks a lot for your fantastic videos! I wanted to understand how it behaves in contact with water? is it going to soften up just as standard Nylon6?

[@marsgizmo]

this filament it’s pure madness 🤘😎 love the “black aluminum” analogy 👌

[@davidveale2081]

Love the videos. Really informative. However, I would like to see more materials and experiences on the Funmat Pro 410. Would this be possible?

[@Ash-bx6kq]

What is the difference between this and the PA6-CF and PA12-CF that's on your website? Could you give me the tensile strength of each to compair? I would also love to see a comparison video, and specifically more scientific tests, instead of saying how it feels to try to break with your hands. Thanks you

[@RexRectumIV]

Would a fillament like this work on a bambo lab X1 carbon?

[@VisionMiner]

As long as it can reach the required temps, HTN CF25 should be fine

[@dustinmeier9753]

I thought I wanted this material, but it looks like PCTG may be better for my use case since I do need some deflection in addition to strength... Absolutely cannot have shards when it breaks.

[@ethansiew61]

cool. This gives morkforged-like functionality to other printers.

[@VisionMiner]

100% !!

[@genin69]

im looking for a filament that can be used for thermo forming kydex parts. so they get hot upto 180 degrees celcius but only stay at that temp for maybe 15s then starts cooling down rapidly to room temp within 90 seconds

[@deiterwakes1907]

How does it hold up to 0 and below temps?

[@elburrona]

Cool and everything but I don't think you can break a 6mm aluminum bar with your thumb. not "black aluminum"

[@Alex-lc1bv]

I think you could while it's clamped in a vise like that. Though, I don't think it is quite as strong as aluminum.

[@dequelerywindinstruments8375]

Is it possible to anneal this CF25? Would it give a stronger z-axe strentgh?

[@VisionMiner]

Sure, you can anneal just about any polymer -- the question is, will it warp with your part geometry?

[@zongtaoli7721]

which is better for printing parts that have to be both rigid and precise: Carbon fiber nylon filament or Carbon fiber polycarbonate

[@tristanwolske8201]

I hereby declare this material the eternal answer to make unthinkably robust toy guns out of!!!!👍👍⚔️⚔️

[@brotherpaulv]

Have you tested metal filaments yet? I wonder how metal powder mixed with graphite would perform.

[@Davide-il3ou]

Hey, wich one is the strongest? This or the carbonx htn cf

[@ToWi1989]

What about creep??

[@chriskamen2152]

Do you guys have a PCTG CF when I look your PP CF is labled as PCTG but it is not...?

[@VisionMiner]

Error on the website, fixed now! And no, unfortunately no CF PCTG yet :/

[@mdg3861]

How thick was the vase wall?

[@dustinmeier9753]

The vases are single pass on vase mode. Usually less than 0.5mm.

[@onewa712]

Where can I see that printer? Sorry I've been trying to see it but not luck so far

[@VisionMiner]

Which printer?

[@mdg3861]

What is the density of the HTN-CF25?

[@xsolar]

1.32 g/cc

[@MichaelJHathaway]

Does it come on a metal spool??? If you dry that spool at +90C you will melt that spool. Stiffness does not equal strength. Some flex is better, especially in motorcycle levers.

[@richardcox4096]

Following. Would also like to know if these super high temp materials that effectively require a metal spool comes with it

[@jbergene]

@@richardcox4096 I dont think any materials, anywhere comes on a metal spool. You can dry things on 70-90C. But for some materials you can respool it on a metal spool and dry it on 120C, 160C etc where possible to make the drying process much quicker.

[@liamventer]

Brake levers need to be stiff and strong. Stiffness reduces hysteresis and provides better rider feed back. Strength prevents death. Nylon composites are either to flexible or too weak for brake levers.

[@KPH101]

Will it be used for smartphone frames?

[@billclark5943]

If these materials keep getting stiffer you're going to slice your thumbs up when you do that vase test. LOL

[@treasuredtimescruising8265]

What’s a printer that can use this easily

[@RentableSocks]

please address the creep issue with short strand carbon fiber in your comparison :) (see CNCkitchen's recent video on the V0 for more context, i've had CF nylons creep so far it broke my machine)

[@Peter_Schluss-Mit-Lustig]

HTN, ðe base polymer used here, is very creep-resistant

[@RentableSocks]

@@Peter_Schluss-Mit-Lustig If there's some data or video on that, it would be nice

[@bwcdevices3028]

I'd love to see a test that replicates the printed item spending a day in a hot car (low bake oven?) or a year in direct sunlight (UV lamp?) - could you add those?

[@VisionMiner]

It's happening! We've built a UTM for strengths, and a few jigs to do things exactly like this. Stay posted!

[@williamcarnero9595]

I’m in between this filament and polycarbonate on deciding which to use to print parts that go in an engines intake manifold, replacing abs injection molded pieces. Looking for a solid upgrade path for my ender 3p towards one of these two to not spend money on needless stuff. High temp and high strength preferred

[@MakingforMotorsport]

Hi, I am developing a inlet manifold from the Sainsmart eCF-PA which I have printed on a stock Ender 3P, just like you, (probably why we are both watching this!). I am looking at a similar choice on how to develop my printer - I heard that PC usually needs an enclosure so I will be sticking with the Nylon as that doesn’t need an enclosure and once i run out my current spool I think this filament will be next. Best of luck with yours....

[@Serpreme]

4 channel advertisements in 4 minutes, I'm watching this for the product, not to be constantly reminded who you are. We know, maybe keep ads to visual so the transitions are not so jarring?

[@kathleenrobertpogue6818]

layer adhesion?

[@VisionMiner]

good at the right temperatures, but you still do lose a lot in the z-axis -- check out the data sheet here: visionminer.com/data

[@LoveItDirtyOffroad]

Curious about comparing to 3dxtech cf6

[@KyleJohnsonVA]

They have a video on that material (assuming you mean PA6+CF): kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4CQfmaChK-Ag5Y

[@3dpathfinder]

no offence , i am just getting into 3d printing but i am distracted by the fact you sound like you are about to announce a monster truck rally. Sunday, Sunday ,Sunday.... Good video

[@Gendo3s2k]

If i made a see saw out of it, could my pet grizzly bears have fun with it?

[@VisionMiner]

Yes, absolutely. 🐻

[@maderightamerica3216]

What would you recommend as an outer shell for my 2 peddler assist mobile unit? I believe in asking a person in the industry for recommendations. I'm designing it for living on the road going from state to state.

[@VisionMiner]

Shoot us an email with files and details, we'll do our best to help!

[@ameliabuns4058]

wish you guys had a solution for POM printing too xD adhesion wise

[@VisionMiner]

HTN is a good replacement, but yeah... POM is a beast!

[@ameliabuns4058]

@@VisionMiner is it as stiff and wear resistance and still have a low friction coefficient? i want it for wear resistant gears/bushings!

[@Peter_Schluss-Mit-Lustig]

@@ameliabuns4058 it should generally work for most POM use-cases

[@Saintbow]

"But wait! There's more!"

[@aaronhambek6362]

This guy reminds me of Andy from the office if he sold coke

[@princefpv1]

killer video boys, i must try this stuff dammmmmmmmmmmmmmm, u think we could put resin over finished part

[@kingjamez80]

Thought I’d found a good channel for high performance 3D print material tests until I got deep into the video. Lost count on how many times you mentioned your website which leads me to just think this channel is here to sell me something. Makes me not trust anything as it’s all a sales pitch.

[@KyleJohnsonVA]

Yes, this channel is for the company's marketing. There's some basic useful information presented, but ultimately they are a business trying to attract customers.

[@FragBenitez]

Yeah, no shit Sherlock, people want to make money. Even channels that just present technical information are making money via advertising.

[@Beanpapac15]

Yes cf nylon is amazing stuff, but the "black aluminum" marketing wank needs to die.

[@Shin_Lona]

We're talkin' about nanotubes here, guy... these are "Quantum" materials. 😉

[@Subpilot1]

Yea, snaping or bending a similarly shaped Aluminum bar would be a bit more difficult.

[@kool-aidsphuckery9596]

Engine bay parts here I come

[@keerthynivash8360]

VERY NICE😄

[@LatrinaMercando-c5g]

Germaine Point

[@VioletteLascody-y6h]

Schowalter Route

[@CristenMancinelli-h5p]

Hills Prairie

[@ToxicSocietyTroll]

This guy seems so familiar. I just can't place who he reminds me of....

[@dgrimaldo2008]

Kinda reminds me of Stu from The Hangover

[@LamontSaenz-d6r]

Lucile Key

[@johnfavre1987]

More bendy

[@ValentineSeegar-k1x]

Kertzmann Camp

[@JeaniceBrownley-n6l]

Kunde Inlet

[@nicholash8021]

At $175 for only 750g, I'm thinking buying OEM parts is cheaper than printing them with this stuff.

[@machtrio3921]

I've been printing for 15 years. Stop the BS and do a strength test on film. Simple.

[@motordude67]

I wish he could talk like a normal person. Very tiresome to listen to and not cool.