A truly remarkable failure! The Renault Avantime

[@Timo.1990]

It's my Avantime. I've already done so much work on it and it always needs some more work, because Avantime :) The spare wheel is underneath the car like a lot of French cars, the double bottom is because the car had an LPG/GPL system but that's removed now. I levaed the double bottom in the rear of the car because of putting some stuff beautifully hidden underneath it. But without that the space in the rear is better. The nav system isn't touch screen but for operating it you should use that big round button. I've fitted a new heated windshield last year that costed 1700 euros. I've also done a lot of work on the suspension etc. that costed me 2200 euros, and now I'm collecting the money to repair that AC system. :) Parts are rare and mostly expensive so you won't do everything at one time to keep it a bit nice. I've also find another driver seat and some new trim panels but that's still in my shed. Within some time it will be in the car. And yeah, that gearbox. It's doing that sound already for years and those gearboxes aren't well known as very good ones. The sounds isn't changing but one day it will need some refurbishing for sure. Owning an Avantime was always a big dream for me. When I turned 30 years old I thought now is the time and I wanted one with the 2.0T engine and a beige leather interior. I'm still so proud on this car and the fact I own one. But it will be always a project car on the road.

[@davidsharp9166]

Magnificent machine

[@carstenweiland7896]

Almost bought one, changed my mind and bought a C6 instead, but it still has a lot of attraction for me.

[@andymoran9370]

You're a brave man to take on one of these. Although it's a strange car in many ways I still think it looks fantastic. Thank goodness for people like you who do this to help preserve some wonderful motoring heritage.

[@carstenweiland7896]

@@andymoran9370 Got a petrol so not much can go wrong there lol, you are right she regularly wants to have money thrown at her, trying to keep her afloat for a long time even Citroen makes that deliberately difficult nowadays. Good luck with your car and have you thought about additives for the noisy gearbox?

[@conkerman01]

Chapeau! Well played Monsieur.

[@evo5dave]

The Avantime and Vel Satis are perfect examples of why manufacturers play it safe with design. Such a pity as I thought they were awesome!

I have a Vel Satis and love the Avantime... they're quirky to say the least!

[@rheinerftvideo2647]

Yes, Avantime and Vel Satis are by far the most outstanding cars from the last decade. Maybe put the Lancia Thesis in as well.

[@evo5dave]

@@Codzilla71 I didn't realise he did say that in the video. I apologise for the appalling inconvenience of you having to read it. And comment on it

[@bentullett6068]

The Vel Satis did also have some rivals at that time including the Vauxhall/Opel Signum which was a Vauxhall/Opel Vectra which was a little bit more luxurious with a Hatchback. The Vel Satis also was built on those same guidelines as a large luxury hatchback.

[@TheJetJONES]

No manufacturer ever came up with the idea building a 2 door van 😯 Respect, Matra and Renault 👍

[@DealerD8vE]

I'm on my third V6 Privilege. Dodged the cambelt issue by selling the first two just before they were due. Eventually mothballed the third as it was originally the runabout for Renault's director of accessories. He toured dealerships with it, drumming up business for slow selling options like the factory bodykit, Olympie 18" alloys, twin tailpipes and even Webasto auxiliary heating. An owner of one of those dealerships decided he simply had to have it, and acquired the beast as soon as Avantimes got the chop. It remains in my mind, the ultimate 2+2 Trans Europe Express. Then again, at that time my second car was an Audi A2. I also yearn for my Multipla Sporting so... ...only true HubNutters need apply!

[@Turnbull50]

This is one of the very few cars that that James May, Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Hammond equally loved

[@kyle-rj3vy]

@@jongmans38 that was the espace

[@Roger_Ramjet]

Please not that trio of utter chuckleheads

[@_Ben4810]

Renault had the Avantime Concept vehicle on display at their 1999 Goodwood Festival of Speed stand...It was a VERY striking car to look at, so myself & my father are there admiring it & it's design, but next to us was a small-ish guy with spectacles, who was clearly listening to our conversation. So we got talking with him, chatting about the car & how good we thought it was, & one of us said to him ''Well, what do you think of it...?'' & he replied in his French accent ''I like it very much...But then I have to, because I designed it...!'' 😲 It was only Patrick Le Quement himself...!!! A lovely man & brilliant designer.

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

Remember these when these came out, looked like nothing else. Used to be one at a Renault Specialist where I used to get my Cashcow serviced, it was a non runner but still looked amazing just parked up. Thanks for this review Ian.

[@ManxAndy]

I’ve just joined the HubNut clan…..I’ve purchased a 2003 1.2 Fiat Seicento Active ….. as a shopping car / dog car, for £700, a years road tax, recent service, and 4 new tyres…..👍🇮🇲💪

[@volvo480]

I remember when I had a problem with the Matra Murena (stuck brake caliper) and I popped in at a local Renault dealership to have it repaired, when they had a then-new Avantime on display in the showroom. It was the most brilliant pastime of waiting on a repair I have ever had. What a car! There was a very short lived poverty spec Avantime without the opening roof, marketed just before Matra pulled out of automobile production.

[@Shane_Marsh]

What a glorious car. Thanks for the video Ian 🙏

[@Blackadder75]

My aunt had one of these for a few years, it might even be this one, was 100% the same, color, interior and 4cyl engine. She was a business woman, and the car was leased for business. I only made a few trips in the car but it was a great experience. I should buy one, I can;t imagine them ever going in down in value, giving the low production volume.

[@peterriggall8409]

Having an insight into this and the Espace has been a treat. Thanks Ian and the owner(s). I wonder how many of the 8,000 odd are still in existence. Not many V6s I guess if the engine has to come out for a cambelt change. Now a great rare classic car.

[@carmanick]

I don't want to be that guy, but the boot is absolutely massive. The spare wheel sits under the car. The boot looks small because the owner has a second parcel shelf in the second level which is designed to give a flat loading floor - very clever feature!!! Also the bonnet is actually steel, so not all the panels are SMC. I have covered some more details in my own video of my Avantime. This car is also quite rare and unusual because it is a 2 0 Privilege - a specification we didn't get in the UK, only the 3.0 was a Privilege in the UK, 2.0 was Dynamique only. The Disc reader in the glovebox is just for the satnav. The CD player is in the centre console. The back seats are pants - definitely agree. Fantastic experience for them, the view and the open air experience is just as special, but you sit with your knees around.your ears and your feet at 90 degrees which isn't natural...

[@antonioercolino6087]

My mate owned one. We drove from Glasgow to Birmingham in it for the NEC Classic car show. A magical ride and what a headturner. 😊

[@jeremybelcher1727]

9:36 I’ve had similar happen to me with my old Chevrolet Malibu Maxx hatchback so that made me chuckle lol! Thank you for a really informative and entertaining video, Ian!

[@Admodeus]

This is honestly a really cool car, the inside is really surprising and modern for it's age, stick a touch screen on the dash, and boom, modern.

[@telocho]

This car overlaps with the production years of the Espace 3. The A/C control panel, radio, rev counter, steering wheel controls and center dashboard you hsowed is shared with the espace. The main radio unit is not where you showed it (those are just the cd units) but it has a headless unit under the passenger seat. Same remote as in the espace too. Same engine, but the espace 3 was also available as non turbo f4r.

[@Technology-Repair-Proto]

Absolutely adore these cars and so glad I was right when you teased another MPV review coming soon. This feels, and looks, to me like something of a concept car to me and almost looks like an MPV which was designed by a person who loved supercars but also had to design a big car like this. I love these things so much and appreciate this video so much! Excellent work Ian! :D

[@allanfoster6965]

Oooh this is so cool. Love the interior. So French it is ridiculous. Brilliant vid Ian. Love these 'series' . 😊👍👍

[@whippydesign]

Reverse tardis.... massive outside with no boot space, no room to work on the engine and no room for feet in rear.... Yet, it is still amazing!!!!

[@peaceman269]

If I remember correctly the Espace also came with a remote control for the stereo? Love Renaults and French cars. Only thing I never liked was the electrics (windows specifically) and sometimes 'wooden/ no feel' brakes, but they do drive smoothly, hold the road well, are quiet and steer well too. Renaults make me smile when I'm in one. No other make of car does this for me. Thanks HubNut - great vids as usual. Keep living the dream...

[@drd6416]

Utterly bonkers but wonderfully interesting. I nearly bought a dark purple metallic one, but fear of it breaking was too great.... Certainly stands out, thats for sure

[@Qlyphy]

OK , before I even watch this - the Avantime is one of my favourite cars... it may turn out to be crap, but I will love it none the less, such is the way of the Hubnut 🙂

[@FryNOR]

Her's a new phrase, A-pillars of obscuration. My wife's Xsara Picasso suffers from this phenomenon and by the looks of it this Renault must be the same.

[@decisionsdecisions8906]

Just stumbled across your channel and I actually am really enjoying it good honest review bit of humour and lots about the car nice watch thank you

[@simonduckworth5941]

I thought Citroen had quirky French engineering covered until I saw those double-hinged doors. Wow. I think the styling of this car is great (although disclaimer: I drive a Gen3 Nissan Cube)

[@patriotbarrow]

My man. I love a Cube. Would have loved owning one. This type of car stands out far more than your average whatever crossover or hatchback.

[@simonduckworth5941]

@@patriotbarrow Thanks man👍 We managed to pick up a 3yr/13k miles one 9 years ago (pretty cheap, dealers found them hard to shift) and been really happy with it. It’s surprisingly (disappointingly?) conventional on the inside, the asymmetrical rear screen doesn’t show once you’re inside. Nice high driving position, (bizarrely large Sun visors). Panoramic roof glass is great too. The sliding rear seats for legroom/boot space is handy. Downside: not hugely economical, around 32mpg winter; 38mpg summer; the steering lock/start button packed up and was £700 to replace (it’s a common Cube fault). I also replaced the rear door actuator which failed (Renault part, there’s a lot of Renault parts in the Cube, including the spare wheel being in a drop-down cage under the car 🤨). Not too arduous to replace the actuator, took me an hour, good owners club resources out there 👍 It takes a bit of getting used to the looks you get when driving it, but great family car, easy to live with. Would recommend the Kaizen spec as it has more toys

[@christoguichard4311]

All car reviews should be like yours Ian... irreverent, brutally-honest, whymsical, sardonic, and done with real love for the "different". 😊

[@gregorizi]

This car in my view is still best looking, interesting MPV. In some way it is moving elegant art.

[@waynetetley584]

Very nice but my preferred people mover is the Michelotti Leyland National 1 with 0.510 😊

[@roberthorn1381]

A great review Ian, as a former owner I think you summed up the joys and the faults of the car. I had a V6 manual (most were autos) whichI managed to coax up to 29mpg with careful driving. Beautiful to drive on long smooth roads. I still miss it!

[@roelsiebrand7181]

There's one parked in my city and when I see it, I always have to stop and gawk. It's just brilliant.

[@darrylwebb3625]

Nice. MPVs and SUVs are hateful things but I've always admired these. If you're gonna go weird, go totally weird, and this worked.

[@chiefwiggum1976]

I’ve always loved the Aventime. I love it’s styling, the concept works for me, possibly the engine choice could’ve been better but otherwise I’d love one

[@markbennett2170]

Just had a peep at what examples are available on Car and Classic and yes, four for sale at reasonable prices. Makes the Citroen C6 look positively padestrian. Great Vid Ian.

[@edgeyt1]

I've wanted one since they came out. I've only seen one once in the wild parked in Warkworth in about 2002/3 - lovely.

[@micheltebraake7915]

Nice to hear more of the history about this Renault Avantime.

[@davidsharp9166]

My uncle had Renaults of that time, the centre front sliding arm rest attacking under braking was so much fun.

[@trs4714]

This is still a super nice car, and still ahead of it's time, I love it! I have had two of them, the first a V6, which was in very bad condition, later a 2.2. dci which I sold after severe turbo problems. Now, older and wiser I wished I did not sell it.... but now I am happy with my Citroen xm v6 with an automatic gearbox.....

[@Ty4ons]

The Espace 3 has the same issue with a high floor for the rear passengers, but helped by having more space. You still can't stretch out much unless they're really far back. I think the wipers should go further, I can't remember that corner of disappointment on the driver's side and I assume it's the same mechanism as the Espace 3.

[@frothe42]

I think this is absolutely stunning. I love it as much as the Citroën C6.

[@aston-martin-internationalist]

I absolutely LOVE these. When I was at uni, I had a weekend job at Amports driving brand new Renaults off the car carriers from France and occasionally, an Avantime was there waiting for me to jump in. They're wonderful, they look just as fresh now as when they were new. Hugely under rated if a little niche.

[@martinjustice]

Loving the rucksack (Hubnuts' inner child) begging for escape at 3.38

[@marioavossa]

This car is something I would buy in a heartbeat. Its mad quirkiness just appeals to me massively and it had some real forward looking touches.

[@andrewgurney6019]

Great review Mr H, a car I have always loved and desired and a car way ahead of it's time in many ways.

[@jdtseventyfour]

Thanks for sharing Ian,I love the absolute bonkersness of the Avantime. so much of the interior is common with my Old mk3 Espace (that I absolutely loved at the time until one of the diesel injectors wouldn't come out and it sat on my drive until I gave up with the impending doom that the engine would have to come out to fix it , I sold it to another mad man who took the engine out and it still is on the road with around 160k on the clock). I love the crazy engineering of the door hinge its wonderful but bonkers at the same time. French cars are just great, yes the interior may come off in your hand and you may get odd electrical issues. But they are far from boring and you take them into your heart.

[@JamesG75]

I've always loved these. I do wonder if they'd not been so ahead of their time (pardon the pun) would they have sold any better? Sadly we'll never know!

[@PtrkHrnk]

I don't think it could come at any better time. MPVs were at the top of the game, SUVs started hitting markets just few years later...

[@eoinoconnell185]

Always loved the quirkiness of these cars. Never fail to notice them on the road.

[@davehall4054]

Used to live near a Renault dealer and remember seeing these and the Vel Satis. Here comes the 21st century thought I, ho hum but they remain striking looking motors. Tailor made cult vehicles.

[@MrCHrisfj]

I had one as a company car for a firm not far away from Mr UpnDown in Fareham. A surefire head turner, hence why the business owner had the fleet of 12 signwritten. On a practical level they were so heavy and even though they had the 2L turbo engine thet accelerated like a 1L 8v Fiesta of the time! Also despite the fantastically complicated door hinges it was still hit and miss if you could get in and out when parked in a supermarket car park or similar. One thing I did like was the pilllar-less doors and glass roof, fold them all down/back and you've got about 90% of a Cabriolet complete with fantastic drafts 😁.

[@thomasalbrecht5914]

Since you have driven the Murena, the Espace Mk 1 and now the Avantime, maybe it would be an idea to take the trailer tent to central France next summer and visit the Matra museum in Romorantin.

[@garyhardwick8489]

A similar one to this was found in a field near me after I alerted the (now) owner to its existence a year or two back. It is now under restoration in Scotland. It is I believe ,a V6 model.

[@robinjones6999]

they always looked so futuristic

[@RichieRouge206]

I have always liked these because they are utterly pointless but in the same vain as the Clio V6, they shouldn’t exist but the car world is far more better because they do. If I have a Lottery garage one day, both cars will be in there lol. Great video as always Ian!

[@imnotamechanic3491]

Great review - and very fair (except the boot, which is a good size, there's usually one panel, which can be put at the top as a parcel shelf, or the bottom for a flat floor). I have had mine for 9 years and use it as family transport for holidays. It's a bit thirsty by today's standards, inside the cabin is far too cramped for the size of the car (having a multipla - you get more leg room front and rear in that, similar boot space AND its 2ft shorter!) . Mine is similarly HubNut - less milage but knackered leather, non-opening ashtray, non-sliding seat, no bulbs in the rev meter -so it was lovely to see that mine isn't the only actually used example. Values of ones in need of TLC are not ridiculous, around £2k will get you something working but in need of TLC, but they're not always advertised in the usual places. The forum is a great resource for keeping it going. I have a review on my channel of mine - not as engaging as yours, but informative for those interested.

[@imnotamechanic3491]

Oh, and a quick warning - the RHD version does NOT have a rest for your clutch foot! Also worth noting that the 2.0T in the UK only came in Dynamique spec, which is why the V6 is so much the preferred choice, not only do you get the bigger engine, but also all the toys (heated screen, multi-CD player, electric folding mirrors, full leather, parking sensors, cruise control) - however all can be added (with varying amounts of work) if particularly desired. You get black half-leather/cloth seats as standard on the Dynamique.

[@rheinerftvideo2647]

This is a car where someone would say "it depends..." There was a demand for the Avantime in the "creative scene" over here in Germany. For example a cook wanting to show his ambition for Fine Arts in what he does, and this unusual car fitted pretty much to express the mindset. Today, there is not much to show your mindset with a car for a complete lack of choices to choose the unusual...🙂

[@nick2203]

A quirky but lovely car nonetheless. I worked at a Renault dealership in the mid 2000s and only ever saw two Avantime’s. I loved driving them, particularly the V6 which sounded wonderful.

[@ghfdt368]

I think the main reason these bombed was that they were incredibly expensive and most people looking for a car this size would very much prefer a 5 door over a 3 door since by looking at it you would think "oh that would be a nice family car". Then you realise the boot is shallow, only 3 doors and expensive especially when there were picasso's, toyota picnic's,ford galaxy's and even toyota Rav 4's about which all were better for family needs.

[@GentilsGarage]

I love it. Remember well the first prototype photos in a car magazine… which also featured an Espace with a Williams F1 engine!

[@grahamroberts1833]

I know it isn't to everyone's taste but I absolutely love the styling of this. I remember first seeing one in a Top Gear episode where they modified it and the Stig drove it around a test track. In any case, yes it might be slightly impractical but it looks cool and aside from the issue that Ian demonstrated re sitting in the back and feet stowage being a concern, I would definitely snap one up.

[@MaximilianvonPinneberg]

I so wanted one of these, but I was fresh out of Uni, and you know, because poor. I still want one. One for my dream garage if there are any left by then.

[@daniellee9015]

Brilliant video Ian 👍beautiful car always French have superb style

[@JesseMendezMusic]

The dry humor in this is amazing.

[@Roberto_79]

One more thing… You don't need to hold the button down to open all the windows and doors simultaneously. You do if you wish to close them, but it is quicker to one touch the sunroof but and the two front window buttons and leave them to do their own thing while you close the two rear windows

[@guylambrechts2303]

Remember I was blown away when it was launched. No wonder I never saw one on the road.

[@knutarneaakra6013]

I had a matra murena some years ago. Just a great hub nut car .i loved it but all the amount of every day problems keeping it alive Oh my God

[@jefferysmith3930]

I enjoyed watching this. What a bonkers car. I thought you had done one of these before? Maybe not... might be thinking of Furious driving it Jay Emm...but still great fun to watch. Can’t get enough of such a quirky car. You would rule the roost at any cars and coffee in the USA with one of these babies

[@Soccerates]

Depends what you call failure, because it is amazing. Just like the Vel Satis.

[@James-oo1yq]

I wonder how many of these remain. I ask because my neighbour has one, that is absolutely immaculate. I wonder if he realises what a rare vehicle he has

[@saxon-mt5by]

It would be hard to imagine anyone owning one of these and not knowing what they've got!

[@MarkJVSomers]

'The triangle of doom can cause the dribble of disappointment'. What a line.

[@MarkSmith-io3qd]

Wonderfully Gallic. I collected my MK1 Citroën C5 today. Given that it’s French and has rather a long nose, I’m going to call it Cyrano.

[@lordrichy1065]

I saw you driving through Llandovery today , very majestic site on the road with the Fairmont and the "caravan" in tow.

[@keef71]

love it! - plenty of leg-room, head-room, arm-room, body-room but nowhere to put your feet

[@whitemoor66]

Loved these when they first came out and still think they look brilliant now.

[@anonymuswere]

one of these was scanned in for the Gran Turismo series, and it was quite fun to tune the crap out of it, and blow people's doors off. the States has it's own french quirky style one of these, the Pontiac Aztek (or ASStek as they called it over here in places). they'd come up with a crossover before people even NEEDED them, and were a flop. now I see them EVERYWHERE.

[@steveboatronics]

Ian, GREAT presentation! I watched your little story of the Espace - based on the Series 1 - and, suffice to say, I’m a big fan of said ve-hikkle; I’m currently on my fourth - an S4 2.0dci Grande - which is my daily hack, and it’s utterly *BRILLIANT*. I have, in the past, had two S3 1.9dci (non-Grande-but-still-7-seats) variants, when I lived in Mallorca; and a couple of years ago I had to scrap my also-fabulous S2 2.0i Helios (only because it needed £500 spending on some niggles, and as I do all my own spannering, I just didn’t have the time to commit to it). I’m still a big Espace fan… Aaanyway, one of my C6 buddies also has a RHD Avantime, identical to your featured car here, and he loves it. It doesn’t have the glitches that this NL example has, and he keeps it mainly for shows. We can observe the ‘crossover’ between the Espaces, especially with some interior fittings - the dashboard air vents and the HVAC controls being S3, the entertainment system satellite stalk is distinctly S2. I believe the Avantime is based on the Grande Espace S3 floorpan, and looking at the front end we can see the start of the design of the S4 in some ways. As always, a superbly informative and humorous production!

[@cappaculla]

Great video, thanks 👍

[@simonhodgetts6530]

Patrick Le Quement - one of the car design geniuses of the (relatively) modern age! It was a sad day when he retired……….

[@shieldaigbencher]

I think this is my favourite car of all time. Lovely. Very Hubnut.

[@kasparsgrinbergs6001]

one of the greatest cars ever. excellent design and technology. 3 liter petrol with automatic gearbox is the perfect menu.

[@zoeobrien7272]

The “Jeepers! Old cars are fun, folks!” Just reminded me of when my Smart Fortwo Cabrio's roof somehow got stuck open and I had to force it closed with 3 Allan keys and a lot of lithium grease in a cold garage. I also got stuck in the Smart's boot when the gas struts gave out and closed on me. Lol. Ended up phoning my mom to come get me out. 😂

[@retrocarsyndicate8867]

Definitely a car I would own always thought they look so different such a good looking car in my opinion

[@mikes747]

I hated the look of these when they came out but I now rather fancy one. Now there are none left!

[@SPTSuperSprinter156]

That rear window blind is almost as snatchy as Arkwright’s till…

[@bobeden5027]

you are looking much better these days! goodonyamate!

[@plunder1956]

About 30 years ago I persuaded my parents to try one (the garage were desperately trying to sell it) but they said it was crazy - which it clearly was.

[@julianowens4071]

I’ve always been curious about the Aventime, I’ve always enjoyed the looks and the fact they are so unusual

[@rupertorgan7749]

Love it! Makes all other left-field cars appear mainstream. 😀

[@andrewhaines3259]

One of our art teachers at school had a Renault Fuego which was also an odd car and extremely rare now!

[@2W3X4YZ5]

I really, really, really dislike prv V6 engines, due to that timing setup. We had R25 variants in the US (Eagle Premier and the last Dodge Monaco). Chrysler fans might be interested to know that the first LH cars were derived from the engineering of the R25. Thanks for a wonderful video of an intriguing car. I just saw where Nissan got design cues that they used for a decade too long. Cheers.

[@char1737]

Ahead of it time I love it and wish I could get one in the states

[@ciaran_socal]

Wonderfully bold concept! 🤩 Hope that it’s still going strong at the time of writing (October 2024), with some improvements, especially working climate control, and maybe something to fix those dim dashboard lights. Congratulations @Timo. You are a true car enthusiast. 😊

[@binarydinosaurs]

Wanted one of these since they came out but the practicalities of owning one in NE England outweighed anything else. Drove a Vel Satis round France in 2004, that was a lovely car to drive. Couldn't work the stereo though, neither could the local Renault garage. Worked it out the day of going back to the airport.

[@euhm]

I remember when this car was presented at centre Pompidou. Everybody lovend it, untill they saw the price. It was the most expensive car that renault made and with some margin. Still, if one would cross my path for the right price, I would buy one!

[@E92M3Guy]

It's so weird and quirky it's absolutely brilliant, a whiff of Citroen Ami 6 notch back here, I very much approve. 👍

[@Michael_Michaels]

Just imagine this very car designed nowadays! Pure success!

[@CaptHollister]

At least one of these made it to Canada. It's located in Lévis, Qc, a couple of hundred km away from me. This one is a 3.0L Privilege. It would seem that even here no one wants one because it's been advertised for sale for the last several months. It also doesn't help that the seller is trying to sell it at a ridiculous price. Btw, Chrysler cars have had windshield washers mounted on the wipers since the 1960s.

[@ianbolton9882]

Bravo! An absolute “classic” - please keep the Vlogs coming 👍

[@rabit818]

Even when the windows were open, Hubnut’s shirt is not moving about. Not bad. Sharon Stone drove one in Basic Instinct II (which was also a flop). Avantime is over engineered beautiful odd car.

[@arthuradderley5872]

Proper spaceship. I spent ages gawping at a new one at Renault Manchester and I wouldn't say no to one now 🙄

[@markwright3161]

9:35 After the lack of springiness of most of the rest of the interior, there's something about that that was quite entertaining :)

[@Steve-nu8xt]

A low mileage v6 went for under £3k at a CCA auction this summer. Thought it would do more.

[@HubNut]

Wow. That is low.

[@Steve-nu8xt]

Top of the range model, V6 auto, years MOT, fsh, 100k miles, looked amazing condition - £2,900 including buyers premium. Was a steal.