Hud (1963) - Melvyn Douglas

[@Xervello]

"The look of the nation changes because of the men we admire" - an eternal truth.

[@TheYamahog12]

That’s such a prophetic statement. We used to admire good men. Over the decades our standards have become lax and we now accept selfishness and immorality. Many men (and women) we elect to lead and represent us are not good people. I get that people are imperfect but we now have indecent people in our government and we often accept them just because of their political affiliation.

[@johnperrigo6474]

I have always thought it was a profound truth.

[@margeshilling7983]

Melvyn Douglas turned in an amazing performance.

[@patrickwalsh279]

There are no better scenes--or wiser scenes--in all of cinema. It simply doesn't get better than this.

[@sportster16301]

I agree.

[@4Topwood]

It's as powerful to me now as it was when I first saw it decades ago. It's almost like a force of nature. And you're right. There's nothing better out there.

[@billyturner2396]

This movie came out in 63 and they still want you to rent or buy it that's how good it is

[@TheYamahog12]

@@billyturner2396it’s a great movie but the “pay for play” is based on sheer greed.

[@oohyllab]

I love how dialogue from bygone movies often had such wisdom in it. Where are truly good writers today? That was the best dialogue, perfectly delivered in this snippet.

[@malafakka8530]

The best thing about that wisdom is that it doesn't feel as if someone is preaching to the audience. It feels more naturally woven into the story and characters, for me, at least.

[@oohyllab]

@@malafakka8530 You’re right, it did! Still a lil preachin never hurt anybody, when it’s truth! I’d a whole lot more rather come away from a movie w/ sound wisdom than cussing, cgi, contrived acting & writing, or sex & violence.

[@cgeorge6786]

I am 48 and have seen a lot of movies. This is in my top twenty list.

[@tntstorms7969]

What are some of your other favorites may I ask?

[@yodhin79]

I saw this movie 7 years ago when I was 33 and it’s one of my favorites !

[@yodhin79]

I used to live like Hud, going out to the bars five nights a week, drinking hard, sleeping around. Then when I was 35 my precious niece was born and she fought for a year with a very rare brain condition. I saw the pain it put my family through and it changed me. Today, seven years later, live for my family. I met and married my wife, and living a better life.

[@viralbuthow000]

Manhood in three and a half minutes right here.

[@megaitalia06]

Paul Newman is the best actor ever!!! This man has class and it is such a pleasure to watch him on screen. R.I.P. Legend. :)

[@conephompany]

little by little, the look of the country changes because of the men we admire

[@Mark_1956]

And here we are 50 plus years later. How prophetic that statement was.

[@srfrider1973]

his father was right. he didnt care about anyone but himself

[@thebluefus]

The age of social media. Instagram and the likes is sickening

[@Feinmess]

One of the great movie lines of all time, and so damn true. People are so easily swayed and taken in by con men and women who make promises of a better tomorrow

[@4redniwediS]

@@Feinmess one sad aspect of this is that HUD was a bastard and he knew and everyone around him knew it! He would never change!

[@rpm371]

One of the best scenes ever written.

[@wotan10950]

American cinema doesn't get much better than this. Great acting, great writing. Of course, Patricia Neal was the heart of the picture, and she's not even in this scene.

[@palliaskamen5722]

+Dave Glo I think she won an academy award in this film, if I recall.

[@oohyllab]

Dave Glo Yeah, I sat there n said Hud was the center piece, but I think ur right. Patricia Neal Was the soul. Twas a great ensemble cast.

[@PEARLEGATES-yi1sd]

Patricia Neal is a star

[@richardjenkins8366]

Read her biography, she had a complicated life

[@poetcomic1]

That is light comic old movie actor Melvyn Douglas star of dozens of frothy and delightful films in the thirties and forties. My GOD he was good in this. I have lived in N. Texas and KNEW men like this. They have died out by now, but every intonation, every gesture is nailed perfectly.

[@lray1948]

Douglas was great in Ninotchka with Garbo.

[@4Topwood]

​@@lray1948Yes, he was. And the contrast between his light and breezy performance in Ninotchka and his weathered and venerable performance in Hud couldn't be greater. An amazing range.

[@4redniwediS]

Homer is right about Hud, and Hud knows it. Homer was also right about the land around us changing because of the men and women we admire! The change happening now, isn't a good change!

[@joel8583]

Nope, it sure isn't!

[@lray1948]

@@joel8583 The people we admire now don't rank up there with the Eisenhowers. FDRs, Marshalls, Macarthurs, Trumans and Einsteins, that's for sure

[@poetcomic1]

Melvyn Douglas? Light comedian? Debonair 'man about town of the thirties'? AMAZING. He is SO on target, every word falls into place. He is the heart and soul of this movie.

[@richardjenkins8366]

Patricia neal did a good job too

[@malafakka8530]

@@richardjenkins8366 everyone did really.

[@4Topwood]

It's hard to believe Homer Bannon flirted with Garbo, Irene Dunne and Myrna Loy, isn't it? I've never seen a finer performance anywhere than Douglas gives in this film. It's monumental.

[@4Topwood]

@@richardjenkins8366 No one was ever more luminous onscreen than Patricia Neal. Have you seen her TCM interview?

[@richardjenkins8366]

@@4Topwood No, but read her book, which I recommend she had quite the life

[@joshmellon7269]

Great scene!! Three great actors!!

[@MStrat1106]

Fascinating to see Newman and Douglas, two of the best cinema actors ever, have at it here. Newman has such energy, wit and physical presence that he overwhelms us with a character we're supposed to disrespect, but can't. And Douglas lets us see the gleam of humanity under the pious fuddy-duddy Grampa, so we can't hate him either. Some of the best dialogue ever in a contemporary "Western," and these two deliver it with a wallop.

[@TralfazConstruction]

Watched Hud for the first time in twenty years just this morning. It struck me that Melvyn Douglas was the same age as I am now when Hud was released. Twenty years back I was closer to Paul Newman's age and the contrast in the span of decades between the two viewings of this movie suggests I may have seen this film for the final time. Hud as a parable for the vagaries of the human condition isn't such a bad thing.

[@vnach299]

Paul Newman should have won the Oscar for this.

[@waynej2608]

Agree. And he should've won one for Cool Hand Luke and The Verdict, too. Imho.

[@vaughnmichael5114]

A spectacular movie and the basic common sense spoken of in it, is so needed today.

[@derrickforeal]

Agreed. Movies have become so unrealistic. Movies need this dialogue, Quentin Tarantino follows this small talk dialogue well but his film have become so Uninventive in the persuit of creative organ.

[@jeremysanders1904]

Great scene. I've always thought this film was the most accurate portrait of a psychopath ever. Unlike all the slasher films that like to focus on such characters, this film explores how this type of person really operates in life, not giving a damn about anybody, living only for himself and his desires and manipulating everybody around him with his charm.

[@yodhin79]

Good post. I always viewed Hud as a sociopath/psychopath as well. It's clear he has no sincere conscience - he's empty inside.

[@sportster16301]

I believe they call them narcissistic these days.

[@HolgerRuneFan]

I would not say Hud was a psychopath, he was a sociopath and narcissist. A psychopath would have killed various girlfriends, committed arson or engaged in other nefarious activities. Hud's not at that level.

[@myfriendisaac]

1:32 “You DON’T give a damn! That’s all, that’s the whole of it!” -I can understand Homer’s frustration, seeing Hud live a selfish existence. All that ‘charm’ and for what⁉️

[@TheYamahog12]

For what? For beaver, of course!

[@eightapeach2861]

I’ve gone back to this move several times in my life. It’s such a great movie and takes me right back to a dry and dusty ranch, and a small town America in 1963. And Patricia Neal....Patricia Neal could come to bed with curlers in her hair and I wouldn’t care.

[@eamonius]

thanks for the reminder of how terrific this film is. what a great scene.

[@lukasmiller486]

“Little by little, the look of the country changes because of the men we admire.” Powerful words.

[@ZIALANDER63]

So glad to see this film is remembered and still seen and talked about. Beginning to the very last scene is a classic. I truly hope it's never remade. Also recommended is 'The Last Picture Show' and 'Lonely Are The Brave.' Similar themes and setting.

[@wotan10950]

I can’t even imagine a re-make. There is no Paul Newman or Patricia Neal or Melvyn Douglas today.

[@4Topwood]

@@wotan10950 No Brandon de Wilde, either. A very fine young actor we lost much too soon.

[@joep8787]

"Little by little the look of the country changes because of the men we admire." One of the best movie lines of all time. Look at the recent Presidents we've had: Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and now Biden. Can anyone deny that all these men and the people around them were and are in some way like Hud? Recent revelations have made me ashamed that I voted for some of them.

[@jillkjv3816]

Oh well if we waited for the perfect candidate we'd wait forever. 🤣

[@michaelw.7342]

I remembered that line as I watched Bill Clinton grasping and raising the hand of a strange-looking Michael Jackson at his first inauguration party. I knew things weren't changing for the better right then and there.

[@TheYamahog12]

Yeah we accept today, leaders who would never have been elected in decades past. That goes for both parties.

[@JaimeGirl]

“No, boy. I was sick of you a long time before that.” The line that sealed the Oscar for Douglas. Damn

[@edterry5782]

Perfect cast, writing and directing. Bravo

[@MrCaveman366]

Damn Paul was great in this, truly one of the greatest actors ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;-)

[@danielheartfire614]

I just watched this film. To me, it reprsents my grandfathers generation(ww2, silent generation) vs my fathers generation. I am making this judgement based on my family, it is not meant to be a broader judgement. My grandfathers were both sturdy men, well moraled good souls. My mother and father are both users and parasites like Hud. I hope I am doing better but sometimes I struggle. I need to remember my grandfathers more.

[@46metube]

"You live just for yourself and that makes you not fit to live with." I bet everyone knows someone like that. Great line.

[@nlawson946]

My favorite scene from one of my favorite movies

[@dubsc.2684]

FRICKIN’ awesome scene!!!! One of the best in American cinema history.

[@5litreho]

One of the best made movies ever!!!

[@yeahboi2851]

"old people get as hard as their arteries sometimes" god i love that line, no AI bullshit could come up with that strong of a line.

[@kylethecroc93]

One of my favorite movie scenes ever

[@jimmoe6446]

Great acting by all and great writing The lay of our land has changed and we may never get it back on the right track.

[@lisaodonovan1249]

I will always remember watching this the first time, seeing how careless and selfish Hud was, to all around him, then up to this scene where his father tells him he was sick of him long before his brother's death. Such a cruel thing to have said, I felt like I was punched in the gut. No parent should say this, but somehow I felt Hud must have felt his father's negative feelings. His father just put the voice to what His suspected all along. So sad.

[@petermanuel6703]

yes, well put

[@scottevans748]

The only other cinematic utterance that was as cruel, and in circumstances quite similar to this, was hearing Johnny Cash's father in "Walk The Line" tell his young son, Mr. Cash, that the "devil let the wrong one die" after his brother was killed by a runaway blade off an errant table saw. The spoken line in the bio-pic set him on a life's path, hopelessly for a time, of being unable to redeem his past until he let it go, for something, some One, much brighter. Peace.

[@jenniferrodgers57]

To me, the more impacting line was from Hud. After being told that his father couldn't stand him, after his father cut him down to the bone......Hud's response was epic: "My mama loved me, but she died." Damn......

[@pauldb707]

A film masterpiece!

[@OmegaWolf747]

Melvyn Douglas was so awesome.

[@nyumbrahok]

Three generations of family and three generations of actors. Wonderful film.

[@bandicoot5412]

Amazing acting, immortal subject

[@malafakka8530]

Rewatched it today and I think there isn't a single mediocre moment or line of dialogue in this movie. It should be mentioned more often among the great movies (at least I rarely see it mentioned).

[@TheBenrogue]

I just finished Horseman, Pass By, which was Larry McMurtry's first novel and put him on the map long before Lonesome Dove or even Last Picture Show. It's a great, quick read and centers around Hud, to a large degree, told through Lonnie's eyes. The writing is excellent, and the stories of that time in the Texas Panhandle cattle business as it was changing along with the country after WW2 tells of times that seem almost lost in more modern tales and remembrances. Great stories and their heartfelt telling are still in books and movies. To me, this is a movie that has a feeling to it that few movies do, and it can take you on a journey if you let it.

[@4Topwood]

I just read Horseman, Pass By. I thought it was great, too, but it seemed to me to center more on Homer than Hud. Anyway, great capsule review. Do you write book reviews?

[@The-Voice-Of-Freedom]

Know where the novel’s title comes from? _ it’s the epitaph on the grave of the poet William Butler Yeats: “Cast a cold eye On life, on death Horseman, pass by!” _ the last 3 lines of his poem “Under Ben Bulben”. (Ben Bulben is a mountain in County Sligo, Ireland, in an area sometimes called "Yeats Country".)

[@lray1948]

@@The-Voice-Of-Freedom Thanks, didn't know that

[@drtphd]

Richly deserving of the Oscar he picked up for that role. Great scene!

[@wangmowangdi3471]

Brandon Dewilde ❤❤❤

[@diegoandres2906]

Great scene! Melvyn Douglas is the best!

[@wellergurl]

Hard, hard, SAD scene to watch !!!! Great movie!!!

[@carlosd.3026]

R.I.P. Paul

[@OsbornTramain]

Everyone Person in this film was an amazing Talent!

[@wallys11000]

I had a crush on Hud too. I was 11 when the movie came out.

[@Hey_its_Koda]

Its true when you stop giving a damn. Life does get hard.

[@anthonybano4905]

very hard to figure that Newman did not win the Oscar for this role...

[@lray1948]

He was up against Sidney Poitier in "Lilies of the Field" which was a delightful performance but less impressive than Newman's IMO. This was awarded in the spring of 1964 at the height of the civil rights era and people in Hollywood felt it was time to acknowledge an outstanding black actor I guess. The Oscars weren't alone. Poitier won almost all the other leading actor awards.

[@deeg8849]

After all that truth, the response of a selfish self centred prick is “my mama loved me but she died”. Perfect writing, acting and film making

[@MustaDujak]

wow, gave me chills.

[@TerryUniGeezerPeterson]

Hard to believe melvyn Douglas was only about 62 here.

[@lray1948]

He went on to win another Oscar--for "Being There" with Peter Sellers.

[@GG1man]

I just happened to have watched this film today. I haven't seen it since it first came out. Excellent movie. Melvin Douglas aged quite abit since he did Vertigo only five years before. And I don't think it was just makeup.

[@HolgerRuneFan]

Sorry to inform you the great Melvyn Douglas was not in Vertigo.

[@dizzypilots1]

no boy i was sick of you a long time before that.

[@allanjacquadro870]

Douglas’s comment about how the country reflects the men it admire! Wow, look at the mess we’re in now because of who led the country in the last administration!

[@sharksport01]

Its so much better with Biden! 🤣

[@music130man]

Tremendous movie.

[@4Topwood]

@GG1man Melvin Douglas wasn't in Vertigo.

[@lray1948]

Jimmy Stewart was

[@jamesmonroe7751]

Douglas deserved the Oscar. When Huds brother died he was broken and couldn't stand hud lived. See Ordinary People for more information on this analysis.

[@christhompson3750]

Melvin Douglas won Best Supporting Actor for this movie.

[@sharksport01]

Ive lived the analysis.

[@waltwilliams7063]

'if you separated the saints from the sinners you'd be lucky to end up with abraham lincoln'. i think that's verbatim.

[@chriswilliams5982]

I always loved that scene. When real actors could act!

[@triptoheaveandho]

he was a class act!!!!!

[@hineighbor]

Hud was a huge narcissist. Even after that epic speech he still made it out that he was the victim.

[@thegreenbird795]

A narcissist with charisma...very dangerous.

[@oohyllab]

Everyone's great in this but Hud's the center of the story. His lascivious, & narcissistic self is showcased as he barges in ppl's lives, leaving destruction wherever he goes! Shows how ppl like that frustrate & negatively affect ppl tryin to live honestly! Hud isn't dissimilar to most of Newman's movie characters!

[@4redniwediS]

patrea lynn why do you say that? Obama was certainly no president!

[@4redniwediS]

Your not clear, who did you like?

[@robertsvorinich890]

I think HUD saw how corrupt the system is and acted accordingly. For all his sins, he didn't send Americans halfway around the world to Vietnam to die and get damaged mentally and physically not to mention Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians. I mention this particular conflict because the movie was made in 1963. There was a pro war point made in the movie when Hud was criticized for avoiding the draft. I say good for him.

[@johnhummer265]

Sounds like the story of Humanities entrance on the face of the earth!!

[@The-Voice-Of-Freedom]

@Donna Schnaath You missed the point of the film if you think that Hud was simply a “jerk”. The key line is when the boy, Lonnie says to his grandfather: “You never gave up on anything in your whole life”. Homer and Hud exchange a look at that moment, because Lonnie is wrong: Homer *DID* give up on Hud _ when Hud was still a child.

[@MROJPC]

You're just going to make up your mind one day. September 2024, and it is 48 days from writing this until that one day comes for America. This film was speaking to the future.

[@arkee71]

@shaneu1 youre totally right..i just watched the movie again ....as a i havent seen it in awhile...please accept my apology for the the hasty correction...at any rate i hope we both agree that this movie and paul newman are great...thanks

[@dk60ish]

An early profile of a sociopath. What shocked everyone involved including lead Paul Newman, is that women really went for Hud despite his deviant behavior, but this was long before there was an acknowledgement by society that "bad boys" & girls are attractive!

[@joep8787]

A lot of the admiration for Hud had to do with the attractiveness of Paul Newman. They guy looks like a Greek statue come to life. It's hard to believe a guy who looks like that can be such a sociopath. Tennessee Williams initially objected to the casting of Marlon Brando as Stanley Kowalski in the play Streetcar Named Desire for the same reason. He envisioned someone like Anthony Quinn (who actually wound up playing the part on Broadway after Brando went to Hollywood). You can see that Brando's attractiveness gives the Kowalski character a little more likeability.

[@oohyllab]

The best line in a movie EVER! So true what he said. I know people like that that don't give a damn. Makes for hard living.

[@oohyllab]

@@chadford8500 Yeah where there’s no forgiveness, there’s no resolution.

[@bobmckinney3636]

Paul Newman playing the heel. He did a beautiful job. The problem is that there are parts of his character that guys can relate to. Although when he got rough with Alma, he kind of lost me. Bar Stools & Bus Stops.

[@Speeeeed]

Newman should've won Best Actor that year. It was either Poitier or Peck but personally I liked Newman's acting a lot better than those two. This scene reinforces that.

[@lray1948]

It was Poitier

[@lray1948]

Peck won the year before in 1962 for "To Kill a Mockingbird"

[@fakefake8138]

Per the dialog, Hud is 30 at this point of the story, the brother, Norman, was killed 15 years earlier. That makes Hud 15 at the time of the accident and the father was sick of Hud a long time before that. Ergo, the father gave up on him when he was still a child. This is the scene that always made me dislike the father and identify with the anti-hero.

[@andrewwagner7992]

Hud tells us his age of 34 years when he is trying to persuade Homer to ship the herd off before the government men return to test for foot and mouth disease. Puts him at 19 or so when Norman is killed. Technically an adult, but as we all know, far from a mature adult indeed.

[@HolgerRuneFan]

Wow-- anyone who hates Homer and identifies with Hud needs desperate psychological counseling. Why not be like Lon, the sweetheart in the story?

[@fakefake8138]

​@@HolgerRuneFan Why Thank You. I believe the legacy of the movie is that many people Identified with Hud, however, that identity is lost on many more. The scene is about the old man being out of his normal disposition; in this scene he is ornry and mean; as humans most people have kindness with a touch of...evil. Only at this point does Hud realise that his inner deamons may not be totally his own. Some people identify with this because they are searching for their good-side. They, realise that there is some good inside themselve somewhere. They just don't know why they repress it so? It is complicated for both characters; IMHO they temporarly flip personalities, as Hud is trying to process some sort of understanding; It is a great scene. Even though we differ in our interpretation and Identify with different personalities, i'll try to respect your view, as Lon was a sweet kid. Andrewwagner you are correct about the age, my misstake thanks for the input.

[@lynne5322]

RIP Larry McMurtry 🕊

[@tfrenn]

Little by little the country changes, How true.

[@romancandlefight1144]

@shaneu1 It seems to me Huds have the same animal in them as we do. The film gives many hints about Hud being a Lon who grew up in different circumstances. It is understandable to me for someone to take out a measure of the shit that befalls them on other people. Hud does so on himself more than others though, I think, while Homer ends up taking out his on the son he failed to raise. What would you like to see done to these people you so despise, anyway?

[@billyturner2396]

Everyone in highschool should watch this movie before they could graduate

[@hashmasterflash3951]

I can’t believe the man whom played Doc Hudson (The Hudson Hornet) in Cars (2006) and Hud in “Hud” (1963) which is a very big coincidence that it’s three letters off the same name if not at all but i still can’t get over the fact that he’s been dead for ten years give or take a year or two added on top of that this is a very big shock to me I generally never knew that

[@MiniOilSlyk]

Ironically Hud was admired as a hero by the young cinemagoers of the time.

[@yeahboi2851]

I love the decision to make Hud turn away from his father when he begins lecturing. Hud knows he is deeply troubled but wants to keep propping up his nonchalant, care-free facade; cracking jokes whilst not even being able to face his father like a man.

[@brianandrewleahy1]

@ejplc uh i suggest you read the book. I think what the melvyn douglas character says to Paul Newman is chilling and should never be said to a son or daughter. He was definitely not cold on the inside. "I was sick of you a long time ago". he already has the burden of knowing he caused his brother's death. He acts the way he does because basically he is a very lonely character, afraid to show his feelings. you would to if you sensed your father or mother was "sick of you a long time ago."

[@petermanuel6703]

right

[@lray1948]

I just realized, every one of the major actors in this movie is dead now.

[@GG1man]

@4Topwood I stand corrected.

[@paulosilva3695]

An amazing movie that I would very much like to review again. Has anyone got the full film? Is it possible to make it available in the tube?

[@lindajohnson4204]

At this time, early 2022, it is free on either Amazon Prime or on Pluto; maybe on both. I watched it the other day.

[@lindajohnson4204]

It is free on Pluto. You don't even have to pay for Prime!

[@paulosilva3695]

@@lindajohnson4204 thanks for the tip!

[@paulosilva3695]

@@lindajohnson4204 Crap, Pluto is not available in my country...

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

Yellowstone wouldn't exist without this movie.

[@arkee71]

@shaneu1 its"wild eyed homer bannon" not wild horse

[@DanielLiebert-i1p]

And to think this was the debonair light comedian of the 30's. How did he get this role SO RIGHT?

[@rlf1967]

how come i fgeel like thats my dad talking

[@scottwebster695]

Melvyn Douglas is Ileana Douglas' (Good Fellas, Cape Fear, Stir of Echoes and many more) father.

[@eblackadder3]

Grandfather.

[@romancandlefight1144]

@shaneu1 true, if you watch the film with that conviction from the outset, ignoring the words he speaks, the meaning behind them, and forgetting not only the things Hud does but the things he doesn't do. the reality is that when it comes to the fine details, your moral convictions are your own, and nobody else's will ever match them, so stop acting like you have ownership over absolute morality, please

[@mailman87120]

Homer was an honorable and noble man.

[@sharksport01]

Who killed his wife and hates his son.

[@HolgerRuneFan]

@@sharksport01 Homer hates his son for a damn good reason! My God, read the novel and bother to actually understand the film. And your moronic comment about Homer killing hsi wife is a product of a very fertile imagination. He did no such thing.

[@romancandlefight1144]

@shaneu1 actually that's not true at all. The one time he tries to snatch something by force is when he's obscenely drunk, the rest of the time he charms or outwits others around him with superior intelligence and flair.

[@johnperrigo6474]

They sure don't make movies like this anymore.

[@HenryPlantagenet]

Say "please".

[@MrTranswave]

Royal.

[@tonybennett4159]

The land is changing because of the men and women we admire, so we get Trump in America and Bolsanaro in Brazil. Sadly prophetic words.

[@sharksport01]

Lets Go Brandon!

[@newfrontierfilms6314]

Does anyone know what Hud means when he says “my momma loved me but she died”?

[@MoneyMakingMitchNY]

Simply she was the only one who probably allowed him to talk and be heard even if he is a POS. Homer is a great man but Homer main fault is he was too proud a man. His proudness could be taken as condescending, when talking to someone like hud. And while he meant well in his words he simply couldn't have been more colder. But by then he and Hud were already past the point of no return really.

[@sportster16301]

Yes, in McMurtry's book, "Horseman, Pass By" (which Hud is based upon) Homer had accidentally killed his wife while target shooting so Hud's statement was unnecessarily cruel and cut Homer deep.

[@newfrontierfilms6314]

@@sportster16301 Oh!!!!! Now that makes sense!!!!!!!!!

[@romancandlefight1144]

@shaneu1 It seems to me Homer's moral instruction is not something he's felt out for himself, but an arbitrary standard he has chosen to believe in simply because it was there before, and then chooses chauvinistically to judge others by it. What 'abominable behaviors' are you referring to? "Animalistic" is an easy derision to make of anyone's behaviour, but lacks definition.. Could you be more specific? In what way are Homer's actions any less animalistic?

[@romancandlefight1144]

....and to answer your question I'd rather not adopt a reformee, or anyone else, but if I had a Hud for a son (assuming here they come post-raised), I would try to relate to him and help him out of his pretty tragic circumstances, not shut him away in a cage and wash my hands of it... that would be a waste of a helluva guy!