HUGE Death Knight Talent Tree Rework!?

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WOOO GUYS ITS TIME FOR SOME DK NOTES WOO DEATH KNIGHT UNHOLY DEATH KNIGHT FROST DEATHKNIGHT BLOOD DEATH KNIGHT!!!! on a more serious note this is really hype, there's a few issues, but overall a lot of super positive changes. Anyways i hope you enjoy this video a ton!
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Intro: 0:00
Reading Bluepost: 1:06
New Class Talent Tree: 24:36
Blizzard's Notes on Unholy: 39:56
New Unholy Talent Tree: 44:56
#liquidmaximum #maximum #thewarwithin

[@jayjays_shed2158]

I would like death and decay be an aura around the dk, that tracks with you.

[@clintellis4055]

I like how you shower praise on the DK Dev, then go into detail on how bad some of the tree has been for the better part of two years lol. Theres been an improvement, but its mostly 2 steps forward, two steps back for the class tree.

[@zombiestomper73]

i know this totally flavor but like. id like dks to be able to customize their ghouls / abominations / gargoyles at the barbershop. like locks get to customize their stuff. i mean we got that whole ass maldraxxus follower customizer stuff last expac. why not make my abomb customizable with all that to.

[@duman173]

i like the glyphs that let you choose a couple different visual looks for your pets, but i'm even a bigger fan of this, and since the glyphs exist it's not like the ability isnt already able to use a series of different models being able to choose would just make it better, now that i read this comment i need this so much in the game XD

[@DavidUzsak]

Exactly what I've been saying. Feels like we're getting proper shafted here, especially considering they can't even be bothered to change the defile visual.

[@brandonkruse6412]

YES PLS

[@akirablackheart6811]

I had hoped we get some in shadowlands but nothing. But Warlocks and druids got many customizations in this Expansion if we a lucky we are next for the undeads.

[@sbsftw4232]

It's funny to me how high performing gamers feel guilty for wanting the game to just be more fun and enjoyable without adding throughput

[@antoneriksson1133]

so that's the guy who is the mastermind behind standing in your dnd 2 cleave?? Genius!

[@ThePolarpop]

I've never understood why it's not just a buff for as long as it lasts or some shit

[@AiEbihara]

Frost needs some love. Very unexicted for uh rework

[@eriuz]

i came from the future but frost got love too

[@reecespieces2339]

they should make death and decay similar to remorseless winter and work it through that, it's around you rather than a floor placement and then you could have Blood = DND, Unholy = Defile, Frost = remorseless winter

[@kalasmournrex1470]

Placeable DND is mandatory for BDK kiting.

[@Chimichangas990]

@@kalasmournrex1470 They could just make a node that makes chains of ICE AOE

[@SmegmaDaddyXL]

yes i really want to have a second unholy blight

[@reecespieces2339]

@@kalasmournrex1470 why does it need to be placeable for kiting?

[@BeyondKilling]

No then we can't get healers and rogues in combat

[@la7era1u54]

If he is such a genius then why did Frost blow the whole expansion without any meaningful changes at all???

[@eleesium8407]

Except that frost in of itself is actually owning, but they bring meaningless value. The Frost DK dev can't just make a class the most OP out of no where lol. The issue is the fact that the sets have all SUCKED.... Even the S2 set in of itself sucks..... In S3 Frost was #1 for a hot minute a LOT of times. Unless you're doing +13s/+15s, Frost will do great damage.....

[@wopchomm5535]

@@eleesium8407frost does the best dmg in like 16-18s prob but on high high keys our dmg will lack

[@eleesium8407]

@@wopchomm5535 Yes, which is not the class being "bad" but the fact frost's tier set is trash lol. The only real "Bad" part of Frost is DND being a must to cleave, they have insane cleave, the have insane burst, great sustain and great ST damage. But it all rotates around a trash set and DND being a factor.

[@wopchomm5535]

@@eleesium8407 i mean set is kinda good since we can hold our dmg longer due too fwf increasing 20% of dmg we deal on target but its still mediocore whe u compare it to other classes

[@wopchomm5535]

@@eleesium8407 btw if they remove dnd or lets us cleave a other way they will nerf oblit 100%

[@eonarose]

Blizz said they wanted to reduce the complexity of unholy cooldowns by removing some of them, yet they still have 7 cooldowns.

[@ThePolarpop]

How many did they have beforehand

[@eonarose]

@@ThePolarpop 8

[@Gungrave123]

Such genious that the DK is ints most sorry state its ever been in S3

[@blerp6675]

I don't think that DK dev is as smart as you've made him out to be max 😂

[@freasefraim]

Underrated comment - This class tree needs mouth to mouth resuscitation

[@shadowdragon8168]

Agreed, I have heard nothing but good things about this DK dev yet everytime I look at almost any changes done to DK, I can't help but think that whoever is doing this has no idea what they are doing or want for the class.

[@Ethan_Coble]

I wish breath was a 0 CD/ Off the GCD, toggle on/off spell that drains runic power and the entire build would revolve around when to toggle it on and when to toggle it off. That would be more enjoyable for me personally because I don't like the idea of pressing a long CD and doing everything in my power to keep it up for as long as possible.

[@johnbacon8394]

i wouldnt mind breath being a runic power dump that does a big fat aoe hit, the way it is now just fucks frost.

[@ThePolarpop]

​u 2 r describing what dorki>max has been saying they want bonestorm to be tor bdk lol

[@defenestrationstation5771]

All i want is them to let me change defile to be invisible or have DnD animation

[@rulebretgne5244]

Dual wield blood DK makes sense for the San’layn theme. Quel’delar and Quel’serrar are the weapons that I think of when I hear San’layn

[@Jakaup]

Sup Max. Hope the dogs are well. Wish you well bud 🙏🏼

[@shadowdragon8168]

14:09 At this point, just remove Abom limb and and move Gorefiend's to the class tree. I don't want my utility ability to be tied to my dmg, I'd much rather have Gorefiend's then Abom limb, Gorefiend is also a lot more reliable then Abom limb.

[@CC_Seig]

TLDR for people that don´t want to read all of it: -> Weird pathing choices, some useless nodes that will still see no play. Unholy builds are kinda half baked (Sacrificing some choices for some others doesn´t feel good on how the tree is build.) Iam kinda happy that they´re looking at DK (unholy) and tweeking some stuff (i know, its still alpha), implementing some sorts, adjusting cd timers etc. Tho first of all i would like to mention, that they are still holding on to the wounds mechanic is just mindboggling to me. Its Combopoints but even worse than classic Combopoints. There is no depht or different abilitys to utilize wounds; Just Apocalypse and Scourge Strike. The user/spender rotation outside of cooldowns on singletarget is because of the wound mechanic probably the most boring and tedious things to play right now in WoW in my opinion. Personally i thought WoD Unholy with necrotic plague was really fun, really was feeling like a Plaguebringer. Why not just implement 2-3 build and abolish wounds? 1 disease focused, one pet focused and a hybrid one. Anyway; Coming to the reworked talent tree: (Overall DK tree) It´s overall a weird pathing. You got now blooddraw as a node at the end. Super weird choice. You usually just pick it up to further progress. To get to 5% leech you either have to go asphyxiate, AMZ upgrade or wraith walk. None of these see alot of play nowadays. Osmosis is super weak for being so far down. There so scenario in that world, where you would use AMS to have more healing recieved. Maybe in PvP when you play vs a meele comp, but even there death strike heals an laughable amount as you already would have a perma MS effect on you. There is no need for subduing grasp, unless it also works without the mob being gripped. But as it is right now Abomination limbs is just a 3 point talent with it. In Comparison is the new choice node at the end "null magic" pretty insane. 10% less magic DMG and 35 reduced duration for harmfull effects. (Unholy tree) Pathing is again kinda weird. There is still ruptured viscera in, but not a choice node anymore. It´s still going to be a dead talent, even in m+ Need to get bursting sores, to build a disease build for m+. I mean, its a nice extra, but nothing to boosts the main DMG source which is diseases. A single target/execute fight is also build kinda weird. Can´t really take Unholy Assault + Commander of the dead, without loosing to much DMG outside of cooldowns. Need to pick unholy pack for reaping. Can´t really go Army, or rotten touch, without sarcrificing other important points like 1 point less in Festermight. You can also play no Festermight and play with 1.5 min Abom, as this should also call the horsemen, which might be quite nice. Tho Unholy assault is pretty big in the opener due to the 20% DMG increase. There is probably still more, just what i think about it after a look. Again; Its still nice, that they tweeked some CD numbers and included stuff in talents. But this Tree aint it chief. Remove Wounds. MiniaugDK made a good statement about it in the forum

[@StriderIK]

> tldr > writes and essay Xdd not reading this either

[@CC_Seig]

​@@StriderIK I literally summed it up what my essay was about in the beginnig "Weird pathing choices, some useless nodes that will still see no play. Unholy builds are kinda half baked (Sacrificing some choices for some others doesn´t feel good on how the tree is build.)" That was my TLDR about my "essay" :D

[@kalasmournrex1470]

I’m going to be contrarian and say the abom bone shield loss barely matters, especially in the face of San’layn. Dancing rune weapon is basically up for every pull in M+. Abom bone shield helped me like once a dungeon, maybe, and I’ll play around it.

[@shadowdragon8168]

Tbh, the only upside to this tree is that Dps DKs can take Will of the Necropolis without losing DMG, and that blooddraw will never be considered again, other then that, this tree is a war crime.

[@rstocker19]

Wounds are going to be much more important for unholy with the overall nerf to runic power generation across the board.

[@Grenan99]

"When they inevitably make this a choice node"... blizz be like watch us not do it 😈

[@Centripital1]

Idea for a Breath change: Breath lasts for 30 seconds, period. It does damage. Damage is increased for the rest of the duration by X%, for each runic power you spend while breath is active. This keeps in line with their goal of keeping it around 30s, and keeping the idea of spending runic power into the skill. The thrill goes from "how long can I last" to "how powerful can I make this breath". Create some kind of graphic/visual change dependent on how much runic power you send during Breath, to give a visual sense of reward for doing breath well (the current breath reward is that it lasts longer) - something like making your screen slowly get more icy around the edges, or the breath particles get more and more dense/vibrant.

[@OldManDoom]

It merely becomes PoF at that point, but lasting for longer. Frost needs a real DPS CD to build a class identity around. Like Avatar, Serenity, or Avenging Wrath

[@thesolobro_]

@@OldManDoomit’s so dumb because Relentless Winter is RIGHT THERE

[@ThyWicked01]

This just a reskinned Gargoyle. It's a terrible idea for the same reason players dislike gargoyle. Also, you would be very dependent on P.I.

[@ChrisTehKiller169]

better idea, make BoS just munch RP at an insane rate for as long as its active and you just spam out rune spenders to try and keep it blasting, it just functions as an auto RP spender and you focus and spending runes to generate rp as much as possible.

[@tupacshakur5868]

Yea make breath the same abillity as gargoyle xD

[@JamesMusicus]

In the class tree I think you're meant to get everything in the first row after the 3rd gate and only one capstone.

[@Kirin122]

where are these notes on wowhead can someone link them i cant find them. Thank you

[@sbsftw4232]

Figure it out. You're welcome.

[@11nephilim]

I can't help but think it'd be way easier to just implement a thing saying Capstone Talent (Limit: 2) instead of this weird tactic of gating you by forcing 2 and 3 point nodes

[@foulbal]

If cleaving strikes gets a change where you press dnd and it gives you the cleaving strikes buff, it should also transform frost strike into frost scythe as an rp spender. Glacial advance is crap and you don't hit frost strike in cleave/ aoe anyway, so why not make spending rp as cool as getting it?

[@Raggyvil]

I want my archer skeleton :( please allow me to play total minion build thing. It's just not possible without suffering a lot compared to other options. Usually, at least.

[@Byhythloh]

Whoever is working on the Monk tree's lately if fucking killing it. Mistweaver is the best it's every been, and new WW tree looks great. Hopefully Brew next.

[@Gemaco1397]

If grip reduces damage, even when it doesn't work, would be pretty big. 8 DR on your taunt

[@ShaolinPotato]

That's what I was thinking. I read it as it works whether or not the mob is pulled to you.

[@TheSilverwing999]

Why do you have comments turned off on youtube vods? It's kind of awkward that no one can comment what they think as an immediate reaction to it. It means that most of your future comments on the edited version will just be after thoughts. Like i am definitely going to forget what i wanted to say to the raid list video by the time we get the edit

[@LurkingAnon]

It feels like they were cooking but they took it out of the oven before it was done.

[@NokoFace]

I mean that is literally the case. They themselves said this was the first round of changes. Now watch them leave it in the oven for TOO long.

[@MomsFridgeRat]

was thinking of coming back to retail for war within, what classes are blasting in general right now

[@FREdmaN1o7]

Fire mage, augmentation evoker, shadow priest, ret pala and outlaw Rouge for starters

[@uniqueflowsnake]

I would not decide on a main at this point in the alpha my dude.

[@MomsFridgeRat]

@@uniqueflowsnake i plan on playing for within on release so i kinda need to figure that out soon lmao just wanted to know what classes are in good spots right now.

[@andriel2519]

ion will always make sure Warlock is B.I.S at one point or another, cant go wrong there, DH tank cant go wrong, Ret Pally, aug voker cant go wrong

[@ThePolarpop]

​@@MomsFridgeRat what role and style do you prefer roughly? Also we have a while b4 war within and prepatches always have big catchup mechanics

[@Derksmash]

While I appreciate the silent assassin dev and letting him cook, the DK community needs more communication. We have been screaming for changes the entire expansion and got not only no changes, but not even a hint changes might be coming. Really sours you on the class and I've been a DK main since Wrath. Great example of why this matters is Max's feedback on cleaving strikes. They told us changes were coming a few weeks ago with the reveal of RotA, but wouldn't say what. They could have gotten that feedback weeks earlier and the reveal would have had zero impact on this tree reshuffling announcement.

[@tythealkemist9856]

Very Easy, SWAP IBF to the top, Move Mind Freeze down to 2nd and then improved mind freeze where IBF was originally, solved

[@Ozeneu10]

Not having Abom Limb anymore is wild. I know a Blood rework is coming soon, but right now you can't take Gorefiend's and can't take Abom Limb, so Blood doesn't have a mass grip

[@carefae3589]

I use gorefiends on mine in m+ lol

[@kjellannn]

I wonder when shamans will get their help lol

[@bayazwow]

Of course there are many improvements to be made here, but a huge improvement instantly to the class even if nothing is changed. Some concrete, simple improvements real quick are as follows: 1. Swap IBF and improved kick node placement 2. Make Osmosis and Subduing Grasp 1 point nodes 3. Make Ghoulish frenzy and improved death coil 1 point nodes 4. Make Improved festering strike and Runic mastery 1 point nodes 5. Make Raise Abomination and Army a Choice node 6. Some shuffling of Nodes on the right-middle section of the spec tree. Not EXACTLY sure what the best location of everything is, especially because there is a talent that hasn’t been implemented yet in that area. But swapping the location of Eternal Agony and Rotten touch would be an instant improvement. 7. Ruptured Viscera is a talent you will never take in any situation, but it’s in the most important spot for pathing possible. This is actually a good spot for Eternal Agony. Delete Ruptured Viscera and come up with something else. 8. Ebon Fever is locked behind Bursting sores. Leave them as a choice node, you are giving us infinite AOE on nodes that we 100% have to take all the time to get to UA. It’s actually gonna be too op and be forced to be tuned like dogshit. If they insist on making both usable together, then make it easy to grab, like putting it where Ruptured Viscera is. Overall, very happy. A consistent damage build being added (and hopefully meta) is amazing and EXTREMELY needed. More power in diseases is also extremely needed. That said, they still didn’t add any gameplay to diseases other than in hero talents. Hoping that one of the unknown talents do something to automatically refresh diseases through your rotation, or somehow make Outbreak a gcd that doesn’t feel awful.

[@ShaolinPotato]

So I don't play dk so forgive me but according to what I saw on wowhead, Outbreak is a no cooldown ability that costs a rune, correct? What if it had a 10s CD but was off the GCD? Us Rets had that issue with Final Reckoning when it was first put into the game, and now it's off GCD.

[@frostbourne5770]

It applies our disease. You don't really want it on a CD I feel. Also it's one of the buttons that let's UH play at 30 yrds (filler for uptime. This is mainly for M+/plaguebringer. ST CS you just use that and DC instead)

[@Noster920]

Happy with the festermight changes but still think it should be removed entirely

[@maggimaster]

they fixed WW now warlock, dk, and rogues feel our pain

[@MoltenMeta]

How the king has fallen...

[@StateOfTheInitiative]

"or else you're stupid" 🤣🤣

[@theexter3342]

I hope theyll make DnD just follow you like it does for the horseman guy

[@digitalskill]

make dnd an aoe effect around you that follows and dk will feel amazing

[@Alvaretti]

Would love dual wield blood. Much better use of strength one handers. Also, can fallen crusader pros animation go away? So sick of it.

[@therandomoguy3809]

I'm an oblit frost DK main and yeah fuck breath haha

[@KingMidgardsormr]

Don't need death strike??? Dawg that's literally the most broken self heal in the game.

[@coctailandy5864]

Remove death and decay, frost deatnight in deep need off a rework with buffs

[@simonguzman8679]

when do they remake the hunter class and spec tree... we have more than 14 2 point nodes...

[@elliottmay-jones2654]

is this for war within or retail

[@ThePolarpop]

War w

[@Taylor.L.]

guys im brand new to wow i cant decide going between DK or Warrior help

[@jackwilliams6535]

Start with fury warrior to learn basics, then go dk and start frost

[@andriel2519]

unless they make some major changes to warrior, run with DK got more util and brez and will be able to get into groups easier

[@ThePolarpop]

​@@jackwilliams6535this is good advice genuinely

[@Mokz121]

Sounds like these are all pvp focused without saying they are all pvp focused....

[@enzoshink7597]

I like that we finally have some changes but this changes are not that good. Erw haste is a big loss to blood and unholy, abom limb was basically killed... blood was straight up fucked and they are doubling down on breath and cleaving strikes. I hope they fix some stuff with the actual release

[@Dantarn]

One thing that really bothers me about BDK is that it's supposed to be a big 'anti-mage' class fantasy and have great mob control but only having Death Grip hasn't really aged that well. Now VDH has completely overtaken the niche that BDK was supposed to have so hopefully BDK can get it's identity back

[@kalasmournrex1470]

It has blinding sleet and asphyxiate too.

[@schwarzwei368]

Seems like dks gonna be the new support class next to aug evokers

[@jimbobschaoscorral7698]

yea, class tree is half baked at best.

[@oryx9100]

Idk if frost rework is gonna come in the upcoming weeks but really love the unholy changes ngl

[@SymplyOP]

He’s known as the silent assassin? So is that why people are flocking away from the class? Was it his idea to buff Frostscythe and increase the target cap of Cleaving Strikes? Why is RI being put into the spec making it redundant as a runeforge? Why are wounds still around since they are almost universally hated? The class tree looks better for sure, but that’s not really going to bring people back to the class. Hell DK’s don’t even feel like a DK anymore.

[@ThePolarpop]

Just curious. What's the last line mean to you? Like, what's DK feel like when proper to you

[@SymplyOP]

@@ThePolarpop It means not a Frost Knight, a Blood Knight or an Unholy/Shadow Knight. The specs shouldnt be a class in and of themselves which they 90% are.

[@ArchangelLion]

silent assassin for sure at killing the class , absolute dogshit design

[@DJK827]

Yo they finally trying to do something with unholy I’m so glad to see,although not exactly what it needs. They’d rather give it to the monks first even though we came 2 expansions before them! And I like seeing the ghoul explosion Would be nice if it did giga damage though like it did back in the day!!! 😂 but proly not gonna happen. We got this little bit of a cook but was taken out the oven way too soon lol. Now everyone else will get full reworks and we will still be at the bottom of the totem pole for another 15 years 🎉 Yay

[@HTABUA]

@maximum These talents are PvP lol the crit and rune for 1h

[@NokoFace]

That "Bloodfoox" guy in chat constantly screaming "MAX USE THE TREE U GET EVERYTHING U WANT" while Max went on about the 2 point capstone unlocks doesn't understand the fundamental problem with the class tree. Yeah you can PICK everything you want but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the shit you're forced to take FEELS bad having to take. Like 30% increased healing during AMS and 8% DR after gripping something just to get to the good shit feels gross. It doesn't matter if you get everything you want.

[@MakoByte]

Can we stop acting like it's objectively bad to have to pick up AoE talents for ST and vice versa? That was exactly the thing people focused on in DF beta and it's how we ended up with some specs having to hard choose between AoE and ST damage profiles

[@thatepicwizardguy]

max: DK designer is a genius max reading talents: this talent is dogshit, this other talent is dogshit, i cant believe this lasted 2 years, these other handful of new ones are pretty good and one might be broken. me: ??? genius? nah... the fuckin mage designer is a genius. DK is nothing special. EDIT: changes look stupid lol gl DKs hopefully the final product is good because this is a pretty bad tree.

[@seraph...4473]

Yeah idk, if the guy was a genius this class wouldnt have been horribly designed for an ENTIRE EXPAC. Also mage designer isnt that bright either, he just actually plays his own class and knows what would be good. Mass barrier being added to the game is actually embarassing game design. Yes its good, but its absolutely stupid to add a healing cd to a dps.

[@ThePolarpop]

​bro it took me about 4 seconds to think of at minimum 5 other dps heal cds

[@seraph...4473]

@@ThePolarpop yes but nothing that increases the max hp of your entire party before a mechanic hits you to the degree that with JUST that you will survive any mechanic in the game. The only actual good healing cd other than mass barrier is VE for shadow priest, and it doesnt increase max hp. So dont come at me like there is ANYTHING else like mass barrier its ridiculous game design.

[@theterribleturnip2064]

abom rime procs felt terrible in pillar windows for oblit so i think for non breath frost its a good change

[@AntonKlermon]

Dk need not a talent rework but fool class rework. They were same since legion or even drenor. They need delete breath, need to ad new customized summons for udk. Maybe resources rework and of course they need update all animations. Anti magic shield from 2008 is jusr abuse of players.

[@swimfreakcmb]

Why don't they just make Death and Decay put down at your feet and move with you? There'd be no cleaving strikes issues that way.

[@Itzagr0]

you can macro it to place on you, but moving with you would be a balance thing, earthquake and consecrate dont do that

[@swimfreakcmb]

@@Itzagr0 earthquake doesn’t need to because thematically it wouldn’t make sense, you don’t benefit from standing in it, and it’s highly spammable. They could easily make consecration move with you as well. It makes sense thematically too. The light radiates from the paladin and consecrates the ground around him. Look at the undead in Warcraft 3. The land decays around the structures. It would make sense that death and decay would happen around the DK because he corrupts the ground he walks on.

[@jaded-harper]

cause the dk dev has an odd fixation for standing in dnd. prolly a blood player if I had to guess. I mean just look at the new nodes at the bottom of the class tree. CLEARLY blood-fixated talents. if dude did any key above a +10 as frost theres no shot he wouldn't just delete it out of the pure frustration we've all been experiencing with it for years

[@Wraith983]

The dk is burdened with too many old abilities, just scrap them and start over.

[@OldManDoom]

So I am breaking the rule of double posting, but I just checked the talent tree as a Frost and that class tree is absolute GARBAGE! I mean it might be the single worst class tree in the game. I don’t even use ghoul as Frost, so I don’t take any of those talents and almost 3/4 of the tree is built around damage reduction. If you aren’t blood this tree is next to useless. Oh yeah, we get Soul Reaper. Can’t wait. This f-ing terrible. So at least it will take a second melee to kill me in the off chance that I pull aggro, but at least that makes up for the entire lack of AoE or buffing haste or crit. It really sounds like Blizzard has just given up on trying to help Frost and even Unholy be viable, and admitting that only Blood will ever get real play

[@OldManDoom]

Yeah, Frost still has no hint of getting anything that resembles usable AoE. Out of principle I am not playing cleaving strikes and using Frostscythe. I hate the current set up so much that I am just playing my own game now And we still don’t have a single main CD that we can build around to give us some legitimate class identity Oh yeah, keep trying to fix Breath. That is what the players want. Yep

[@jaded-harper]

breath losing to oblit 40/60% in the vote in the dk discord had me dying of laughter. like if anywhere in the game is gonna be an echochamber of breath players its there and it still lost the vote. L breath once again

[@OldManDoom]

@@jaded-harperSeriously, it has never been good or fun to play. VERY niche for the highest of the high end like Max. Absolutely unplayable in PvP. And being that Oblit is really just a buff to PoF, how sad is that? Frost needs our version of Avenging Wrath or Avatar- something to build a class identity around. Unholy has Apocalypse, Army of the Dead AND Dark Transformation. WTH is that?

[@vital1114]

"we want to remove your reliance of having to play in ur dnd" bro... prot pally? hello?? help???

[@seraph...4473]

I agree on one hand, but disagree on another. One thing is consecration is a much lower cd than DnD, another is prot pally has be meta or slightly off meta for a very long time both in raid a m+, and BDK has only recently been good in RAID ONLY. So it makes sense to address BDK first. But yes, stop anchoring us to ground affects blizz

[@chachachii_]

Make DnD follow you, or have it have no rune cost and have a drastically lower cooldown. Paladins can shit out consecrates for near nothing and a super low cooldown

[@Shadodeathz]

If he's so smart, he would remove bullshit festering wounds. No one wants classic combo points.

[@kidren50]

WTF did they have in mind by making ALimb not give bone shield? This is ATROCIOUS

[@WilWeeks]

how did the death knight video become a monk video?!

[@silvestre93ify]

People talk so high on the dk designer but the talents suck in all 3 specs

[@marcosvidela1282]

Compare this to the hot garbage they’re cooking for warlocks

[@ThePolarpop]

Thd posted the "expectations were low but HOLY FUCK this is bad" meme and thought itd be like haha not gr8 but WIP...oh my god desto and demo changes are so unbelievably bad. I think its kalamazi that best said it.. they correctly identified the things players liked...and removed them..and then exacerbated the things players didnt like..

[@andrewmiller5690]

The changes don't seem all that great. Blood is okay, but both DPS specs problems, but most importantly, just aren't that fun compared with other classes, and representation of DKs in WoW have tanked, even when DK is strong. It needs a lot more work than it seems they're willing to put in.

[@jaded-harper]

"genius" dev with these changes loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[@shadowdragon8168]

15:46 The biggest problem here is that blood has no ability that generates bone shield charges that is aoe, Abom limb help offset this, but won't anymore with the change to Abom Limb, hopefully the blood rework adds an aoe ability that generates bone shield charges or there is someway to make Marrowrend AoE so that you can generate AoE threat while also getting bone shield up.

[@yatsuketa]

So long as DK is required to stand in DnD for cleaving strikes the class is screwed. I'm so tired of having to either hit like an undergeared tank or hit like a truck on random proc. DnD is a self imposed root to have any form of meaningful damage in AOE. DK is all I play, and the restrictions on it's playstyle exist in the extremes. UH has 2 hotbars worth of skills to push just to ramp up to the damage of some other 2 button specs. Frost either hits for 20k or 200k damage depending on proc and buffs and has almost no reliable AOE if they step out of their DnD. I don't play blood so idk about them. The riders of the Apocalypse seems cool because of the mounted combat until you realize you'll still be forced to stand almost still in a 3yard circle of DnD only now you can do it on horseback! yay!

[@AdamSisko6]

and of course you cant use riders of the apocalypse in dungeons and raids.. completely uselles thing :D

[@AsherrTheRed]

DW blod makes me violently nauseous

[@chaoshunting5659]

frost dk dev couldn't hit a fucking barn if it was right Infront of them. this is pathetic. half baked changes and reinforcing a gameplay style the majority of us hate. can we actually get a total rework like pally, rouge or mages??

[@kriegborne]

not first

[@phantombitly]

First

[@hehexd5547]

First :)

[@matt.oconnor]

yeah so just tanked a dungeon on Alpha and the DK was ending at 700k dps while other dps were around 250k lol

[@ThePolarpop]

Alpha numbers

[@toreole5831]

Dk guy is cooking

[@rickhamilton930]

grip decreases damage is big in pvp, ams increasing healing is big in pvp, less magic and shorter dots is huge in pvp, roots big in pvp, shorts ibf big in pvp. looks like dk is getting some needed love for the arena

[@superplatinum]

My overall issue whit the UH DK talent tree, is that Raise Abom replaces Army of The Dead. This goes kinda backward in terms of UH DK's theme of Raising an Army of The Undeads, i hope Blizzard will change this that abom is simply a new cool button CD, as for the Magus choice nod whit Gargoyle, i don't like this i would rather the Magus replace Commander of the Dead passive as it's just an annoying passive to watch out from bad button pressing. i think also we have way to many 2 talent points in the end talent row for UH DK. As for the middel row, i really wish to see Apocalypse become a choice nod were you either choose to Raise Undeads from apoc, or apply Crypt Fever that can increase the Disease damage on the enemies afflicted by it. i also want to see Raise Sludge Belcher returned as a way to replace our Pet Ghoul for a stronger abom, maybe they could make the abom Apply 2 individual stacks of Rune of the Apocalypse, up from 1 stack you get from the Ghoul. As for Ruptured Viscera, it's a bad passive, and kinda get worse if you pick abom, this is a good location were they could add Raise Sludge Belcher, and as for Pestilence, i had hoped this effect to be just baked in to Defile, and then been changed whit a new effect. Another thing i feel Blizzard should change, should be Unholy Assault, this should be changed back to Unholy Frenzy, it does the same thing, but, when you press Unholy Frenzy it's off the GCD, and it applies festering wounds to enemies close to the Death Knight, then they could change Vile Contagion to something more interesting. I'm Also a bit sad to see Ebon Plague, and Necrotic Plague have not been added to the talent tree, i think this could be some cool option in the last row that could be added. I think also Blizzard miss the mark whit Festering Wound, we should have talents that causes our wounds to Raise Skeleton Warriors as a way to make wounds feel more interactive and more thematic. Another thing i would remove is Rotten Touch, they should add Doomburst in this location, when your Sudden Doom proc you burst Festering Wounds, they can even add in, when you generate the 2 stack of Sudden Doom, it auto fires it off at the enemy.

[@BeyondKilling]

Why are you complementing the dk dev frost dk has been cheeks this whole xpack in pvp

[@KillchainGames]

Give back warriors mass spell reflect P L E A S E!

[@Onslaught516]

Video quality sucks😂

[@daethmer7834]

Frost is still going to be absolutely boring and dogshit

[@rokman5000]

Thinking Vestigial Shell won't be an immunity for the other two people when Vengeance DH exists in its current state... They are that dumb.

[@ianonrust5766]

It explicitly says what Vestigal Shell will do, and it won’t immune like AMS does. It’s a reduction of debuffs instead of immune

[@cainrip89]

A dk rework before hunter.. wild

[@lewisgarland1259]

The whole game needs a rework. This game will continue to go down. mark my words.

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

? DF was great & TWW looks even better. DF season 3 was the first season 3 to have more people playing than its season 2 in I don't even know how long -- the community that actually plays the game is extremely positive because it's in a really good place. If you're STILL hating, maybe WoW just isn't for you 🤷‍♂️

[@lewisgarland1259]

@@dr.zoidberg8666 Dragonflight did not increase in sub count by any significant number and TWW is not selling very well. Everyone that cared has left and the remaining player base will be happy no matter what they get. I have standards. The game seriously lacks in content and is no longer worth the £10 a month sub fee. outside of your chosen progression like m+. raiding or PVP there is nothing to do. Im currently logging in 1 day a week. And please don't say that chasing achievements, mounts, pets and mog is content lol. because it is not.

[@Phanski89]

RLY DK and not Hunter got a rework LUL

[@jaded-harper]

as a main of frost/surv they are both dogshi lol. I know ur pain tho

[@Leftside08]

Thank you for not filtering how bad some of this shit is. It's also good its coming from you, someone they care about.