Maximum Reacts to Windwalker Monk Talent Tree Reworks

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Hey guys, Second video of the alpha coming out from good old mr maximum - and its for a good reason. Windwalker Monks talent tree was reworked! as well as the monk class tree. In this video i'll be going over my first impressions of the changes, and how i feel about monk going forward - hope you enjoy!
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Notable Things: 0:00
The Old Tree: 1:47
New Class Tree: 3:35
Windwalker Single Target: 15:38
Windwalker AOE: 28:20
Notes After Trying Dungeons: 31:47
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[@hailfastcorexxx]

I’ve never seen Max more passionate about a topic n than him going into the new spec tree and talking about it.

[@maggimaster]

The WW dev is back from vacation

[@snowpantsguy]

I think they finally hired one

[@martinalegre5524]

they just hired one

[@Impuracle]

TWW dev indeed

[@ahkrael]

6 year vacation (maybe 8)

[@brettcloud8550]

With the milk he promised

[@buddybarlow9604]

As a main monk i am fucking elated right now, while i main Brew and dabble into MW... i am so happy for my walkers of the wind brothers on the other side man. You boys deserve this

[@Titan.Fox56]

Glad this happened this makes me excited to play WW monk again. I've always loved the class and the fantasy behind it. Plus the monks tier set for the first season in TWW looks DAM good.

[@aaronmead3183]

This is the closest we have ever gotten to the monk class fantasy!

[@tremonray2483]

Blizzard absolutely cooked with this rework, I'm too hyped! Like it's actually nuts that scaling, Auto Attacks problems from FoF, and canceling FoF was tackled in a single talent, but also the additional stuff like Glory of the Dawn will also scale purely off of Haste or Auto Attack synergies (hello Windfury Totem) is just the gift that keeps on giving at that point. I did like Serenity having dealt with buggy SEF for a decade, but I'll manage like before; we're at least getting part of Weapons of Order back.

[@brice9013]

The fact he was adhd moving his character while the talent tree was open is iconic lol

[@UziiTube]

There's actual flow in the talents, there's actual synergy, and haste scaling!!!!

[@leothar]

Someone tell Max there is a reset button, you don't have to right click every single talent xd

[@Luqaza]

why don't you instead of writing about it?

[@Genoh_]

You can also shift+right click which will clear all the talents below the one you've right clicked

[@Kurotaisa]

YOU DONT?

[@The_Fictionist]

HOLY WHAT I legit didn’t know this.

[@KingDJ524]

​@@Luqaza...what do you think the point of commenting on somebody's video is?

[@barryvandekamp4620]

Woah, the timing, just finished gym and sat down. Keep the uploads up!

[@richie1496]

This is the greatest expansion of all time already

[@williamzurcher5388]

JFS is soooo much better now that you are not forced into the reset style game play

[@MrJoemccloskey]

Hooray! This is such fantastic news! Monk has been my main for a long time and it excites me so much to see some of these changes :)

[@Leftside08]

I’m feeling just like max in this video is so excited to “come home” to ww again. Everything is chefs kiss so far

[@jeremyd6304]

I have never played monk. I have no intention of playing WW in S4 or war within. I watched this entire video simply because how excited Max was about it

[@omen_apollo]

WW is so back

[@rep8778]

WW is one of my favorite specs. Great video and great changes!

[@darth_ow8024]

This tree looks amazing. Only one sticking points, without trying it. #1. Too many damage amps of different durations. 8 different damage amps from the class tree + spec tree. With different durations. Skytouch is still in the tree and is the biggest offender with 50% Crit amp on 6 sec duration. 1 minute "CD" and triggered by Tiger palm. Which has the effect of locking down your SED usage to 1 minute cycles, which reduces the flexibility and a lot of the fun of a major CD on a charge system. #2 Two big uncontrollable damage amps in Shado-Pan. Combined it's a 300% damage increase if it all lines up. Which is insanely high, and with uncontrollable procs on some of the damage amps it's a bit of a problem.

[@dracojay2596]

Also WW’s Major cooldowns are locked behind Combat Wisdom

[@darth_ow8024]

@@dracojay2596 Looking it over it actually feels fine in the first gate to be locked in on things. Because half of the first gate is the fresh player experience. You have 8 points in the first gate, 11 possible talents. So there's required things they want you to take as a fresh WW as you level. First 4 talent points are locked in, for pathing, and are essentially the main WW only ability, Fist of Fury, and the core WW passives they want you to always have. Momentum Boost for scaling with haste, plus fixing the auto-attack proc issue. Combat Wisdom: currently redesigned to be their attempt at removing the opener shenanigans that WW has to do to get enough chi, while also giving chi outside of combat for pack to pack movement. They could continue to change that if this version doesn't land. Acclamation: A ST tuning knob, plus a way to ensure that RSK never falls that behind the rotation that you just don't press it. That leaves you 4 points, then below Combat Wisdom. Flying Serpent Kick as a classic WW movement ability on the way to your CDs. This one could be removed and flying serpent kick made base for WW but it's not a big deal that it isn't, and it serves rhe purpose of introducing it early to new players. So 3 points to choose between 6 talents, 3 on the left on the way to AoE and 3 on tbe right on tne way to ST. Honestly one of the better designed First gates.

[@Broxgard]

Awesome review man

[@ispear6337]

Im surprised max didn't refer to ordered elements as weapons of order instead of referring to it as mini serenity. Especially since he really wanted weapons of order back.

[@tremonray2483]

Yeah, and Sequenced Strikes as Ebontoes (Blackout Reinforcement).

[@jaimemolina7219]

Could you make a video on how the new roll abilities work / look? Love the videos!

[@jerlbays7412]

already running into issues with this rework as expel harm is my favorite button to press because big healing myself, zapping an enemy for damage, and generating resource while keeping my mastery rolling on a button that i DONT need to keep on cooldown because its situational is literally everything you could ever ask for in a button so i absolutely will not be taking combat wisdom which is gonna be locking me out of so much stuff F

[@dracojay2596]

Honestly. Who came up with that node? It’s garbage and messes with the entire talent tree.

[@SloidVoid]

thematically I really love Jade Ignition, I hope it's good

[@ConSocial94]

Honestly when I saw they added Ordered Elements, which takes my favourite part of Weapons of Order and slaps it on SEF I was pretty pumped to try out the new WW

[@sombrego2260]

My only frustration is that we most likely won't experience these monk changes for the Panda Timerunning event which is such a shame it would have been amazing to play fun monk again in the expack that started it all.

[@daniellucas5522]

Max you can shift-right click a node to remove it and all children from your tree - you don't need to right-click 30 nodes to reset a tree :D

[@SoFishtry]

New class tree is so much better (but definitely still has some very strange choices). Just as, if not more, excited for Monk to get some of its extraneous buttons groomed. Moving back and forth from my Disc Priest and Mistweaver this patch has been night and day in terms of sheer number of niche buttons that I have to manage.

[@shadowdragon8168]

Its so heartwarming to hear how excited Max was about this rework, I hope it ends up being everything Windwalker has needed and Monk in general has needed. Hopefully other classes that need help still will get similar treatment in War Within.

[@Sarmatius22]

Rushing reflexes is basically now the skyreach passive, not very font of this passive while playing ww monk but it is what it is. Unfortunately that they removed serenity, i prefered it more than using SEF. Need to fiddle with it again whenever tww launches

[@mikedarling905]

i never used dampen harm, i used the magic defensive and brew because i wanted another ability if i recall and sacrificed it for that

[@wtbskilllololo]

While i love most of these changes it feels like WW's gonna be a menace in PvP unless other classes get bonker stuff too.They get more mobility and more damage backed into them it seems nuts :D

[@l.a.1477]

I’m never not worried about how they bork pvp

[@wtbskilllololo]

@@l.a.1477 Well tbh after looking at some other videos from the Alpha it looks like everything has something insane in their kit. Guess its up to the final tuning to see whats gonna be disgusting. Althou i like the WW changes might try out some PvE this time around.

[@anvyl6878]

If wowhead is right, Jadefire Stomp no longer resets while standing in it for WW. So you only get the buff for 10 seconds. There's no way we'll be using that talent if it stays that way (and it should JFS can die in a pit of fire)

[@PB-sb9of]

Im interested to see this new interaction they'll have with melees and how strong it is/if its cool that it would lead to WW to be a windfury preferred spec

[@bear576]

Finally, inner peace.

[@ztormur6504]

i am so stoked with the monk changes coming. these changes are honestly Amazing. future looks bright for monks. atleast Windwalker and Mistweaver so far.

[@Nevwermore]

Happy to see some WW love also I do hope that other specs to play that sucks get some love like DKs and MM.

[@NokoFace]

As a WW main since MoP: Thank Christ.

[@casthor64]

Have they said anything abput warrior trees?

[@luuin]

I don't mind SEF being the only big cooldown they have, but god damn it they need to make sure it's not bugged every other patch.

[@FrostBytes-gv4lb]

great to see your thoughts on it, but why keep walking, background moving when looking at the talent tree. Its making me dizzy and cant focus on the core message....

[@michaelliu5260]

I remember going into his stream and asking him if Windwalker was his most beloved spec/class and he said no and then going into a long thing about how he's never had a specific attachment to anything in the media or whatever. And here he is, making a video talking specifically about Windwalker monk. Something seems fishy.........

[@ForestKDean]

Maxe should be work with the design teams for talent reworks and new stuff like hero talents ;)

[@yassimchenard243]

I know its only alpha and more rework will happen (hope so) why is druid/monk/pally get a rework again already? When classes like priest or even shammy needs a rework (ele/resto still with no raid buff and are not bring in raid for past 2 expansion)

[@Elite14Pete]

i wish they changed how chi burst / chi waves works and made them a more interesting button to press or at least turn them into a cool passive

[@bishop1412]

i would love crackling jade lightning to be removed and have chi wave stay an active button; that's basically the only change I don't like

[@Phoecian]

I've already got WW Monk as my second primary main, if Shaman (current primary main) doesn't get similar love, then I'm dropping it for WW Monk

[@dotftw1]

Who asked

[@Nicolas-fo8qd]

What are the problems with shaman ATM? I like enhance but maybe a little too busy

[@alexis1156]

​@@Nicolas-fo8qd enhance is pretty much perfect aside wind fury totem. There are only a few changes I can think of that might benefit enhance

[@itssno8121]

Is this all for the next xpac?

[@benjamincromwell6201]

Fronk deep in the dungeon just doing the lords work

[@ChanJustWon]

I see whirling dragon punch specc'd, this makes me happy right off the bat

[@SoloVeracity]

WW is going to be Giga in TWW. These changes are nuts. This might be the best or close to the best talent tree now.

[@elkitesaga999]

Hopefully the single damage is good in this Xpack. They got the AoE down, they needed help with single.

[@Avdbz]

Rushing reflexes is lee sin Q, transcendence linked thing is lee sin W. They basically made lee sin in WoW. People are gonna eat that shit up. Massive massive win

[@12345678ilovepie]

"Man if you just had to use Rushing Jade Wind cause of tuning, what a doomer that would have been" - Brewmasters in Shambles, really like this rework for WW but hoping Brewmaster gets some love too

[@BolinJackson]

I feel like at the very least this will make Monk much more fun to play, and fun to build. I a little scared how monk going to feel to bring without the group buffs though.

[@MixoZ]

I always believed!.. I always.. believed.

[@NotsofatTheGamer]

Windwalker is so back

[@zombieraccoons4509]

I know its not that important but Im really excited for lighter than air.

[@dzinx0rrr]

unfortunately, I don't think that Combat Wisdom talent is an improvement, since Expel Harm doesn't give us chi anymore (unless we pick reverse harm as a pvp talent). So it's basically just little heal and that's it. At least now in DF you could get 3 chi from tiger palming every 15 sec. So it's a big L imho --edit: unless i'm wrong as much as the tooltip is. But people on monk discord say so, so i trust one of them has played alpha and spread the news :)

[@pepelechad536]

this is incredibly lame if true

[@dracojay2596]

SEF and Xuen are locked behind Combat Wisdom. The biggest failure in this talent tree

[@semi6544]

Every lunge ability in this game is dangerous. Randomly you just jump to the center of a dangerous enemy's hit box and die. I just don't love all the lunge abilities for Monk or SV Hunter which I play a ton. A lot of unnecessary and unexpected deaths.

[@joshualuttrell7269]

Wait for the monk discord to take this as “he’s trying to use his privilege in alpha to make guides before us, he is an enemy”

[@DamnDaniTV69]

Fronk can you give him like 5-10 db of volume in the future? When max is quiet he is really quiet.

[@zacharyiler136]

Knowledge of the Broken Temple, 8 Blackout Kicks during a Skytouch proc that auto procs a RSK. Insane burst.

[@sebastian6843]

y lets see it beeing nerfed for pvp reasons :(

[@zacharyiler136]

@@sebastian6843 It would kind of half to be. Imagine RSK-8xBoK-RSK burst.

[@MrManultra]

I love expell harm for mastery... If I now have to pay attention if my character does the animation during a GCD ... no way I adjust to that during one global... Kinda meh on that.

[@theTomRadziwill]

Teleport tiger palm = gone? 🤔

[@bestpinoza]

Re read the new stomp. It’s way better now

[@painfullyavarage4316]

I don’t play windwalker, can someone explain why AOE touch of death was a bad thing? Was it just bad rotationally or something? Aoe touch always seemed cool to me idk

[@colemcnabb4662]

many reasons, the first few is that it does so much of your damage on packs you felt worthless until the last 15%, then because how it worked you couldnt immediately TOD, it had a weird delay when you selected a new target for it to register as usable, not to mention you could use it twice so if you pressed it once and your target died before you could do it again you were frantically trying to target another mob to use the second charge and the delay would screw you. it felt more like meter padding then it did actual damage and required many talent points for this to even be worth it. just felt like bad design because we would be bottom dps until 15% then shoot to the top with it cleaving

[@metalscream3934]

I assume Windwalker is your main class?

[@JeromeA1]

WE'RE SO BACK!

[@lynk5207]

I've been waiting for so long for ww to get their re work. I like what I see. Glad serenity is gone.

[@Venomusmc]

Didn’t they just take bdb out and basically add it to gale force ? Honestly this tree slaps. If the numbers are right, monk is looking strong.

[@mehdisemsar9507]

lezgooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@bobsalami515]

Rare WW W

[@joshcooke336]

I dont get why Jadefire stomp is so hated, just at all

[@ac833]

I will never be happy until blizzard finally gives ww fighting game inputs where the order in which you press your buttons opens up other buttons with a cd. Not directionals but make it matter when i press TP and BoK and RSK and what can unlock with the order pressed.

[@nartrachqcgaming5454]

You have whirling dragon punch. But i get what you mean.

[@Hankthespank]

Implement these changes to retail tomorrow. Thanks.

[@truce3038]

for pvp, losing seren sucks. i dont really see the point in removing it off of a choice node

[@yaxuen70]

you guy keep in mind don't burn your self out in alpha testing what ever you earn you cant keep it will be deleted . so any new gear mount pet etc kiss it goood by it only temporary

[@LoneBarren]

"im not going to spend a tonne of time on this" at roughly 2 minutes into a 34 minute video. Nice

[@sybastianjohners8770]

Love u

[@saenct]

do you all remember how all the creators tell you how fun WW is before every expansion but in the end nobody plays that specc? yeah...

[@dzinx0rrr]

i think before Shadowlands expectations were rather low. Of course it turned out the opposite due to overtuning I even remember where all monks were crying that devs had abandoned the spec and there was a period of a complete drought with zero blue posts about monks for months, while other classes were getting juicy updates weekly

[@christophkioler6975]

Because even before this Rework, monk as a class was almost always fun. Even with all its flaws WW was still one of the coolest specs gameplay wise.

[@wm1573]

@@christophkioler6975monk has been the most fun class to play (all of the specs) since its release in mop

[@saenct]

So cool that Nobody Plays it 😄

[@Wellshem]

Because of the theme. Paladin could be the worst class to play it would still be popular. Look at classic. Paladin was horrible, worst class in term of gameplay. Still extra popular. Warlock is ALWAYS amazing, still an underplayed class from classic to this day.

[@johnnyll91]

Why would they keep night fae ability..😢 Kyrian/bonedust was way more fun Looked way better atleast

[@eonarose]

Ngl, I hate that they brought back weapons of order as a talent and didn’t make the chi cost reduction buff last longer. I mained WW in Castle Nathria and hated the ability. Any time you had to stop hitting the boss, either because you got knocked back or a mechanic required it, the buff would fall off and your rotation would be fucked.

[@wcranee9196]

Then press CD’s in windows where is not much happening… that’s on you 😉

[@eonarose]

@@wcranee9196 That’s not always possible. Smolderon for example, requires melee to regularly walk out of melee range of the boss to avoid the fire rings. It’s optimal to use your cds during that phase because of the damage buff you get from the orbs. You can’t control when the rings will spawn under you or ensure you always use rising sun kick before it happens. An example of a fight from Castle Nathria (The last time I mained my monk) where this was a problem was Artificer Xy’mox. At the start of the fight, you could randomly get targeted with the portal and have to run across the room to drop it, or get targeted by the ghosts and have to use the teleporter. You had no control over it and holding your cds until that mechanic was done meant you would lose a use of them over the course of the fight, hurting your dps more than you would just using them on pull.

[@tomklemp894]

W

[@MrManultra]

No more dashing towards your target with Tiger palm? I am out

[@xheapshot3325]

Idk it seems like you lose a lot of ST swapping between aoe... 20% crane kick dmg is a lot.

[@dracojay2596]

Combat Wisdom is horrible! Not only does it remove your chance to freely heal when you want, 2 major cool downs are locked behind it. I understand it’s alpha, but how tf did they not see the issue with this immediately?

[@The_Fictionist]

I swear Blizz just cherry picked every reason I’ve never been able to bring myself to main WW and fixed it. I really hope they don’t do the typical Blizz move and design something perfectly then respond to the “we love this” chorus by nerfing it into oblivion and removing all the good bits.

[@TheGreatestLewis]

I feel sick watching this

[@Rikomag]

Yeah, the rotating and moving background is incredibly distracting.

[@Eliteninja007]

Like ww needed some love…LOL

[@enzoshink7597]

Must feel good being a monk and not a dk right now... now the only doomers are dks, shamans and mm hunters

[@drakedbz]

Maybe a hot take, but the level of complexity of this talent system is getting out of hand. There are way too many choices, way too many interactions. The best part of the old "MoP" talent system is that it was super easy to understand, and the choices were a lot more clear. The problem with the MoP system is Blizz just didn't understand what would make it work well (they made it more like choose between single target options, or choose between aoe options, when it should be to choose between aoe/st/cleave or whatever). The current system is just way over the heads of anyone that isn't a mythic raider, causing even more cookie cutter builds than before. I'm at the top end of heroic/bottom of mythic, and I just don't bother figuring out any of this crap myself, it's just a waste of time. Give me an import code for whatever setup is best for single target, aoe, etc and I'll import them and use them. Occasionally I'll swap one utility for another if needed, but that's it. Also I hate the interaction between ww mastery and WDP with a fucking passion. It is hard enough to do one or the other, but being able to consistently hit WDP close to on cooldown without dropping mastery is nearly impossible in a remotely stressful environment. I was so glad I never had to take WDP this expansion. This expansion was honestly the first time I've enjoyed WW since WoD. MW on the other hand is looking absolutely fantastic, really looking forward to playing it. Oh btw, rushing jade wind is super useful in mog runs and the like, really annoyed I can't use it that way anymore.

[@Leftside08]

I hope they remove jade fire

[@mewkatlol]

wow vanilla still has the greatest talent trees 20 years later! Haha nu-blizz is trashnation

[@el3ctros]

I just wanted to see you double jump at least once come on!

[@tangokilla]

Just remember, they are VERY overtuned so expect big nerfs.

[@hybredmoon]

Dude, be STILL. Your monk running around in circles while the talent screen is open gives me motion sickness, ffs.

[@bilbobaggins7095]

This dudes robot brain tries sk hard to be relatable to normal people. He is constantly processing info through the prism of what should I say that the most normies will agree with or like. It's kinda weird to watch.

[@pyrofusiondancer]

I'm with asmon on this one. The best buff to the monk class is to completely remove it from the game. I know you like monk Max but it's beyond F- tier in wow.

[@ryonoliver5934]

I’d rather just have serenity… changing costs of abilities outside of free is such bad design. Guess I won’t play WW. SEF is so trash maaaan

[@wcranee9196]

I feel you … but Serenity just doesnt fit here.. i hope they bring it back in the future in better shape 😉

[@ryonoliver5934]

@@wcranee9196 how does it not fit? The only thing it doesn’t feel with is the new “mini serenity” which is just weapons of order like all ya gotta do is add a line of text for serenity

[@dharcsu]

would've preferred a real reaction but maybe it was nda or some shit.

[@Hawke89]

JESUS the Adhd on this is crazy... Stop moving while you have talent tree up my guy... its distracting AF

[@TheGraveyarder]

even though i main mw im just happy that haste has more value for ww so im not forced to carry around two sets of gear 🥲