HUGE Kang Plot Twists in Loki 2 Reveal True Origin of TVA & Return of Council of Kangs in Avengers 5

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-Music by KindaCulty - Video Intro Edited by KindaCulty

[@KindaCulty]

Alright I’ve been busy with other work stuff, so it took me a little longer to finally talk about the new Loki trailer. But I think Season 2 is going to be really important to the overall interconnected Multiverse stuff happeining in the the MCU, so there’s a lot of in depth stuff to discuss regarding both Loki & Avengers Kang Dynasty in this one. So I hope you guys like it, and don’t forget to watch until the end for Super Thanks questions! Follow the channel on Twitter (or X… whatever) twitter.com/KindaCulty

[@marcusyates3044]

Is Majors charges free and clear? ls he not in trouble anymore?

[@TheHardys01]

36:01 Not so fun being on the other side, is it? Doctor Strange 2's stellar writing is what makes something like Secret Invasion possible. Just like how the acceptance of poor-quality work like The Mandalorian paved the way for something like the Kenobi show.

[@TheHardys01]

36:34 What makes one thing better than another? What makes Infinity War better than Thor 2? Analyzing & Critiquing media is not negative

[@Mcu_updates]

I cannot wait for this whole saga the multiverse concept just fascinates me so much

[@KindaCulty]

Fully agree. I know a lot of people are not as into the multiverse stuff, but I feel like it's currently the most interesting part of the MCU.

[@jackcapellini113]

@@KindaCulty Hey! I love your multiverse-related videos! I can’t wait to hear your theories about how Kang the Conqueror could become the Beyonder for Secret Wars! Keep up the great work!

[@lucagz6481]

My theory is that the younger He Who Remains/Kang will be the one helping the Avengers, because not only he is the variant native of Earth-616, but he is the only one that doesn't desire to expand his domain beyond his own Universe. Ironically, looking at his design from the statues, he is probably even more comic accurate than Kang The Conqueror from Quantumania 😅

[@MegaWaxz]

Yeeeeees!!!! He's back everyone.....😮

[@PrinceTron1]

Way 2 go Tay! Always a great surprise when I check the feed and see you dropped a new video!

[@BlackSquall13]

Timing impeccable. I needed this

[@doctahkang]

thank you for the amazing videos over the year

[@travisrose9716]

Love this content . Love it when you try to roadmap the future of the MCU and your theorizing on future storylines and what comcis they will adapt . The end of Secret Invasion certainly set up your Dark Reign / Devils Reign story line theory

[@bobtwichew3103]

Another great video. Love when I get the notification for Kinda Culty. ☮️

[@Goodboysforlife]

It's a loop. Victor Timely becomes he who remains. The multiversal war has to happen for he who remains to take power. It's probably one of those absolute points. Because He who remiains taking power means the events play out the way they do in the main timeline and that timeline produces Victor Timely. Brilliant.

[@scoobydoo229]

It make a good ending when Loki realizes at the end that everything is lost if they beat him.

[@Goodboysforlife]

I used to ask myself why the sacred timeline was sacred. But now I get it. Loki started at the end. Kang being killed is point that the snake bites it's tail in the oroboros. It's also the reason why there's a moment where Kang's notes run out. He's supposed to die there so the events can take place that put him there in the first place. The sacred timeline is sacred because it's the timeline that produces the set of events that bring this outcome to fruition.

[@Goodboysforlife]

I also just realized "Ms. Minutes" is the henchmen of only ONE of the Kangs as far as we've seen. Makes it almost bulletproof.@@scoobydoo229

[@ericpatterson5050]

Always good to see a video from you!!😊👍🏼🕺🏽👊🏾🎬💜

[@krishna_2019]

Just came across this channel. Very good video.

[@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019]

I can't wait for The Kang Dynasty

[@solodoloact]

yes you can

[@mako7697]

@@solodoloactno we can’t

[@problemchild7739]

@@mako7697Well we have no choice but to wait a lifetime for the damn movie 🤣 release date is hella far

[@Kingj2real]

Swear

[@Kingj2real]

@@problemchild7739omg I feel like I’m gonna be in a whole other chapter in my life by the time it comes out

[@KingPhilip_ULP]

@26:00 maybe thats the past before "He Who Remains" defeated the other Kangs. So it seems like Loki went back to the creation of Cronopolis 🤔

[@SaBastian_DeKrabbe]

It really doesn't appear like they're going to replace Johnathan Majors anytime soon

[@adamherrick6077]

I’m truly thinking that it’ll be the ending of Quantumania that results in a Beyonder- that pushing Kang into the probability engine will somehow result in those probable Kangs combining into something worse. Maybe Scott’s behavior at the abrupt ending is a sign that he’s somehow connected or aware because of his own journey through probabilities?

[@JKOversion1]

This was a sick video. Such an enjoyable watch. Thanks Tay! The ah-ha moment for me was the HWR potentially being Victor Timely due to him being with the Ms. Minutes if that time. Thats a good theory 👌🏾

[@KindaCulty]

Thanks Jeffrey, glad you liked it man!

[@the-dark-side.]

Super Thanks,, bro.

[@TomCarnivore]

Another video, let's goooo!

[@trevorfultz]

Was literally just thinking “wonder when the next KC vid is coming out…”

[@sebastiantorrealday7019]

This must be preserved

[@sturedman4230]

The only thing that confuses me is that if Loki was sent back to an earlier time when Kang started the TVA (before the memory wipe)-why then does Mobius not seem to recognize Victor Timely in the end credits of Quantumania?

[@KingPhilip_ULP]

Yehhhh... i can see that scenario being true of Kang using Ravona as a contingency plan to protect his past self. Makes the line of "she's still callin me that?"(in Kang's reference to Miss Minutes) more iinteresting now, seeing how long they've been together.

[@yourtube1424]

I was typing out Reincarnation, baby, just as the clip came up 😅 definitely think Victor Timely is a past version of He who remains! & I think Mr Gryphon will be the past version of Kang from Ant-man 3. Would make sense if Sonny Burch from Antman 2 was working for Gryphon because he was after Pym Tech, if he had that he would never get stuck in the Quantum realm permanently! Loved this video thought it was super insightful, love your work!

[@paulsanford7211]

Thanks!

[@jasonfontana7417]

I have a Kang theory I think He Who Remains is Kang from Ant-Man 3 and he lied to Loki and Sylvie about how the multiverse war started because he was the one who started it because when Loki asked him who he is he said he's been called many things and conquerer was one of them because at the end of Ant-Man 3 the council of Kangs didn't look like they were gonna go to war with each other any time soon and Kang himself said he wanted to destroy all his variants for stranding him in the Quantum Realm and as for the scars Kang has but He Who Remains doesn't he could've had them removed he does have access to technology from all of time

[@mattyboyb523]

Hey man Thanks so much for the great video as always. You are so full of intelligent information and I appreciate the details about this upcoming season if Loki which I’m really looking forward to. Trimming back the amount of content on D+ should help fix the saturation and lower quality issues. My question for you is about Kang and specifically Majors playing him. If this goes sideways and Disney has to part ways what do you think they’ll do??? And, the High Evolutionary in GOTG 3 seemed to have similar powers to Kang (seen mostly with Cassie) in Quantum-mania. Is there a connection?? We know he is still alive……

[@KindaCulty]

Very generous of you Matty! And great question - I will definitely spend some time on this one in the next vid

[@mattyboyb523]

@@KindaCulty thanks bro!! Looking forward to your next video. I’m happy to support your hard work!!!

[@the-dark-side.]

bro. Please stop and listen to yourself repeating what you hear. Do you really think the quantity will fix the quality? Why? If I sell more products and make more money why would my quality necessarily slip? It doesn't make sense in any other field or medium. It also doesn't make sense here. There's a reason they call them influencers and throw tons of money at these people. Stop letting the "influence" cloud your reasoning.

[@snakeeyes6061]

Love the multiverse stuff too

[@DamienAllen]

I called it forever ago, Bruce Campbell’s Pizza Poppa is going to be The Beyonder.

[@BlackfyreWarrior]

Love the Kang/Multiverse theories! Sure hope we get to see The Beyonder this century!

[@eaglesphan5650]

Immortus the Dr. Strange 3 villain.

[@thebrickninja1170]

I am very excited for LOKI season 2! Also, Jonathan Majors is Innocent and always has been!

[@thetoybox4333]

I 100% agree with you! September 6th will be a very interesting day. I can't wait to see Jonathan Majors play many different Kang variants in the next Avengers movie.

[@jordanromesburg6819]

I hope so as well, but I don't think any of us know for sure :/ I'm definitely interested to see how the trial goes though

[@owenreece3554]

Have you noticed that the cybernetic body parts of Rama Tut match the parts the Kang lost first when being sucked into the multiversal engine at the end of Quantumania ? He has the scars as well, could it mean that some of the Council might not just be Variants, but Kang at a different point in time as well like in the comics?

[@matthewtempleton8328]

Another fantastic offering.

[@danebeee1]

That intro!!

[@damiensefton9210]

Tay, I really hope that Kevin Feige and the MCU have the same insight as you going forward because after feeling disappointed from some of the disney + marvel content, i get a bit tired with it but then hope is restored when you do a video. 👍

[@LiarLiair]

It's Aaron! Thank you for the content! I love the channel, been a big fan for years and I'd love support it in any way I can! Two quick questions for you: 1. What do you think about leak/spoiler culture? I know the MCU is in a weird spot right now for various reasons, but do you think leaks take all of the fun out of the anticipation? I like your channel because it's mostly rooted in theory and existing MCU material. I know channels and scoopers have jobs and need clicks, but I'm not really a fan of knowing a ton of information or what's going to happen in the film, as it just takes away from the experience (unless it's from the trades). I see too much of it online. Do you agree? 2. What do you think will happen with Tom Holland's Spider-Man in the MCU moving forward? I know they want him to lead the Avengers in Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars, but what about Spider-Man 4 or any solo Spider-Man film after? Will he retire and they bring a live action Miles Morales in the mix? Hopefully Sony doesn't interfere too much! Thanks Tay!

[@KindaCulty]

Thank you very much Aaron! I almost missed this one, glad I double checked before recording the next vid

[@xBOBOxFebreez]

Okay so if the secret wars movie is 100% focused on battle world which we assume it will be, then kang dynasty has to include one or several incursions. What if kang uses his victor timely or mr gryphon personas and is the person behind 838s futuristic new york? And that reality could be the one merging with 616, so kang tells the heroes of 838 that they have to fight 616. He has the perfect example of why they should listen to him with what happened to the illuminati. I could see marvel resolving the counsel of kang stuff in another movie or show (maybe even loki s2) because it could get messy trying to fit so much into the avengers movies, even if they potentially have 6 hours to work with. Keeping the story focused to just this reality vs the other with one or a few kangs being involved sounds like the most reasonable thing to do. For all we know, the fantastic 4 movie could involve kang in some degree since they'll probably travel through time or the multiverse. I just think they would rather keep things simple where the "required reading" is just loki and doctor strange

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

I'm a multiverse fan as well. I think we got big things in store and people will be going back to watch the previous movies and installments later. Marvel just needs to stick the landing and follow through on these promises and hints they are putting out there.

[@mccm333]

Yes these movies can easily top the original Avengers movies

[@RockonSam]

Nice intro bro

[@the-dark-side.]

I think what he who remains says at the end is still being looked over. Specifically in one scene he tells them that he is the one who led Loki and Silvie to that point. That means he orchestrated events to get them to where he wanted them. In the citadel at the end of time. Right? What if I told you that's only half the answer. See he said he lead them there but he doesn't say where else he's going to lead them. Is he bringing them there to kill him. Yes. But he doesn't know what will happen because that is the same way the variant before him died. And those are the 2 fates for he who remains. Sylvie takes over or the loop which creates the he who remains variant begins. Loki and Sylvie are part of his origin story. They are the ones who are supposed to chase him through time and get Revona to find him and set events in motion that lead him to control the TVA.

[@sylkilaufeyson]

Loki 2x2 mobius had revealed to all the agents about the tva’s real nature and they all collectively decided to stop the killing and and destruction that they were previously causing. Loki also breaks down the wall of the timekeepers to reveal HWR’s face which used to be there until he decided to coward away behind the facade of the timekeepers, revealing to all the agents who their leader really was

[@Streamgurutv]

Victor Timely is the on how found the way to communicate with with the Multiverse he was the One how startetd all!

[@robertpaul6070]

Yay tay!

[@hush3130]

wait a minute 24:32 Thats damocles base

[@MrNormal321]

I demand an answer for this question please If all the kang variants chose to begin the multiversal war after quantumania Kang's death then which kang invaded the timeline at the end of loki? I know it is a hard question but it has got my mind screaming

[@jockdavis7852]

This is just my theory but I believe that loki season 1 ending and loki season 2 is before quantumania because the multiverse didn't happen till sylvie kill he who remains. So seasons 2 might show how he got exile to the quantum realm. So that might be the same kang as quantumania

[@scottburns90]

^^^ this comment. Don’t ever asu,e u know what time period a multiverse sage msrvel movie will take place in. Ever. Endgame even taught us that

[@jockdavis7852]

@scottburns90 true you have a point

[@robertcoggeshall3071]

He who remains will help the avengers take kang down. Then he goes right back to his desk at the end of time.

[@matthewa441]

I am really looking forward to Season 2. I really hope Jonathan Majors works out, and they don't have to recast. Rodey was one thing. He. Majors was great as Kang. He was the best part of Antman 3.

[@bizzybrown8372]

I think the real time keepers existed in Immortus timeline

[@marcusyates3044]

Is Majors charges free and clear? ls he not in trouble anymore?

[@gammafrost]

They changed the date of his trial to September 6th but so far it’s looking very good for him. He’s got a whole ton of video evidence supporting him

[@Chris-ey7zy]

Panda Express better have a Kang Dynasty Meal

[@bizzybrown8372]

cant be an older Sylvie . He Who Remains didnt age in the citidel.

[@2ndstreetmarvel]

🤘🏿🤘🏿

[@Chris-ey7zy]

I don’t understand why killing Kang at end of time causes more Kangs since isn’t that last Kang at end of time

[@bizzybrown8372]

Loki season 2 or 3 likely will explain why in the future of the TVA He Who Remains specifically sought out Loki variants . The tva in Loki season 2 have no recollection of Loki where the Mobius and tva we saw in Loki was well aware of Lokis history . He Who Remains had Ravonna capture kid Sylvie and we have yet to know exactly why all this occured.

[@the-dark-side.]

it's because it's a loop. An oroboros. The scared timeline is sacred because it produces Victor Timely. When he who remains dies the story of Victor Timely becoming the new HWR begins. In order for the timeline that We know to take place HWR has to exist. For HWR to exist the multiversal war needs to take place For the avengers timeline to take place Victor Timely needs to win.. It's always an actual different person but it's always Victor Timely from earth whatever. The reason he sought them out specifically is because they were the variants who started him on becoming HWR. It's a loop.

[@the-dark-side.]

Listen. His name is Victor "Time-ly" Ms. Minutes...? you get it? Kevin Feige has really lost his touch if he ever had it. Since he's been fully in charge since 2019 and that's pretty much ALL the worst years.

[@bizzybrown8372]

@@the-dark-side. yeah I’m aware but I’m saying I think the show is going to show us WHY Kang erased everyone’s memories and why he was obsessed with seeking out Loki. He must have saw Loki or Sylvie do something that inspired him to start looking for Loki variants to replace him .

[@Mcu_updates]

I doubt it but what if the tva is located in the beyond

[@KindaCulty]

Yeah I'm not so sure about the TVA thing, but the whole concept of The Beyond being introduced in the MCU definitely seems possible & is something I've been wanting to talk about.

[@bigdfh1]

Well some shows/movies are good/great and some shows are okay/awful but NO show/movie is absolutely perfect. No show,movie,KZbin,podcast, etc . Now 1. Agree with you on loki s2 theory. 2. Agree with you on Skroddy(shouldn't been that far back) 3. Disagree overall about SI was meant to be what everyone think is was going to be about. Overall I think I was average but not horrible. On par with Wandavision I would say. Some people love Wandavision some hate it. But it's just an opinion. Keep up good work.

[@Wine-N-Steak]

6:30😍

[@bloodyknuckleshowandedward170]

Rich Sanchez and the council of ricks is kinda just kang who’s more powerful

[@JohnDoe-ek2kb]

Do you think Rama tutt will be in eternals2

[@mattchew6426]

I think that it was around Falcon and the Winter Soldier when Rhodey became a Skrull.

[@KindaCulty]

That would be much better. Marvel Studios should come out & say it happened after Endgame, even tho they were clearly trying to imply it happened around Civil War.

[@mattchew6426]

@@KindaCulty That was when I noticed that he was kinda distant, when he just let Sam give up the Shield without saying much...

[@Mr.Beefy82]

I would actually love to see Henry Cavill play the Beyonder

[@1138prometheus]

I would just kill for a simple adventure with a hero and an earthbound villain or one planet adventure without having to question is the hero going to turn up with six hands or is there going to be a talking mouse who is ruling a planet This multiverse thing is quite frankly turning a lot of people off. Give me a call when these studios get tired of it. I'm so sad they're polluting Deadpool with it

[@thorinwoods2642]

I think Miss Minutes could be a major villain in Deadpool 3 if Jonathan Majors is not in it.

[@ltcrypto5492]

Why do those scars look like Wolverines daughter?

[@mutungiedmund2355]

It's all connected

[@johnmoney2855]

U on to something

[@gatorcris]

Boop!

[@user-uj3iw6vd3h]

What if its not just kang destroying timelines or universes. Galactus survived the collapse of one universe. Why couldn't he be busy eating other universes a la Goliath?

[@robertpaul6070]

Tay to be honest your theories are more in-depth and exciting to hear and watch then MCU it's a let down compared what you tell us and what MCU provides like a theory about Thanos snap creating gor was better then the MCU movie

[@BrooklynUSA]

In Kindaculty we trust! I’ve unsubscribed to a bunch of cry baby content creator’s because ever since the strike and Secret Invasion bombing (well to them because I enjoyed it) they won’t have any good content to leech off of for a few months. That’s until Loki 2 comes to save their economic lives and we’ll being. It’s them just pouting about CGI and plot holes 🕳️ knowing dam well anything made during the pandemic 😷 plus black rock forcing agendas for click bait, wasn’t going to be 100% great. We got some decent dialogue from Sam Jackson,Talos and Rhodey plus Sonya is now my favorite spy, I love her!

[@davidbendall7919]

I'm thinking there are some planted comments here. They seem similar.

[@kevinbonser4579]

Is there a reason you’re calling her Revona?

[@KindaCulty]

Ravonna Renslayer

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

Avengers Forever will come after Secret wars.

[@KindaCulty]

Yeah there's been scoops that if Secret Wars is turned into two films, the second could be titled Avengers Forever or Avengers Eternity Wars

[@jasonfontana7417]

She looks like a giant Pac-Man ghost

[@antoniosworld2933]

I’m the comics wasn’t she kangs wife ?

[@mikegill-zo5ij]

Kang was right

[@Chris-ey7zy]

Maybe it’s me but Kang sucks but the actor playing him is awesome

[@michaelhinton2738]

I love marvel but with all the real stuff going on in the world i find it hard to give this my attention. Aliens inflation upcoming elections ect,ect just more important things to focus on

[@jayce5231]

Johnny depp is beyonder

[@Nima4ever]

With high respect to all human races, I still don’t know why should Kang be African American which is so NOT comics accurate