What exactly happened to the Kang Council?

This video looks at how the Quantumania post-credit scene with the Kang Council fits into the narrative from Loki Season 1 and Season 2.
#kang #loki #sylvie #disneyplus #quantumania #tva #marvel #mcu
00:00 - Intro
01:05 - Summary of the Multiversal War
03:31 - Explanation of the Sacred Timeline
05:05 - Early mentions of the multiverse
07:00 - Explanation of Nexus Events
08:54 - Who are the four statues?
09:59 - What do we know about the exiled one?
11:42 - Trying to understand the Quantum Realm
15:34 - So where has the council been?
19:50 - What happens after He Who Remains dies?
23:06 - So where is the council located?
24:09 - Where did Loki go?
25:55 - Summary of the multiverse

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@MotherJanuary]

Can we all agree that the best thing about ant man and the wasp was and is jonothan majors as kang and all the kang scenes his acting was so perfect and serious and real I’m craving more of jonothan majors as kang and I can’t wait for Loki season 2 mainly because of kang Loki not so much 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@MotherJanuaryAgreed...Majors was so amazing. Can't wait to see more of him in Loki Season 2!

[@eduardofranco8528]

Sometimes I feel like Disney is just waiting for fans like you to create an explanation to all this so they can use in the MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yep, you do have to wonder about that. That said, I'll give Kate Herron props for doing an interview and elaborating on what HWR's speech meant. That helped put it all together. Here's hoping Loki S2 keeps building on the lore and answers our remaining questions!

[@eduardofranco8528]

@@AbitofEverything4U I hope you right my man, I know the strike delay a lot of thing, but I really hope they explain some things soon, to bring back the hypo for Kang and the multiverse, I hope Loki does that for us

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...the strikes have put abit of a damper on things, but hopefully they will get resolved soon and the hype machine can start back up again!

[@natedog4872]

Sometimes I feel like the fans can be the writers as well, and we give them ideas for their movies. I know that’s for sure

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@natedog4872I totally agree. I suspect the writers are smart and check the fan theories occasionally. Lots of good ideas out there from the fandom!

[@Reimoto42]

Whoa! The isolation of the Timeline is a big revelation! I consume so much marvel content and never heard anyone talk about this detail! Awesome!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr? It was a big revelation to me as well. I had never looked at it that way before, but it honestly makes a ton of sense. And it gets me all the more excited for Loki Season 2!

[@krzyszwojciech]

Heh. I just mentioned it like a week ago under one of the videos. Great to see it discussed with evidence in more details!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@krzyszwojciechNice! Very sorry I didn't call you out in the vid, as I forgot you mentioned it. It came up the other day due to finding that article from Herron, which I had never seen before. That was such a fascinating article and it results in such a cool theory!

[@krzyszwojciech]

@@AbitofEverything4U No worries, I'm just glad it got covered and with details I was not aware of either! I haven't seen that article before! I love to look at stories from the ontological angle - what actually exists and how it works at the bottom; though I often don't have enough time to commit to full investigation, settling for mental notes. I'd love to see more of such discussions about MCU (and other fictional universes) in the future. Cheers!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@krzyszwojciechYeah, I agree, these type of discussions are alot of fun to ponder. I enjoyed putting the vid together as it helps arrange my thoughts.

[@thekinglydragon]

I think the Kate Herron interview confirms for me that the other Spiderman universes exsisted before the events of Loki, but were seperated from the sacred timeline similar to the council of Kangs. This makes a lot of sense because the differences between those universes and the MCU are definitely enough to be a nexus event. It also helps explain why Dr.Strange's spell went so poorly, those universes weren't meant to be within reach of the Sacred Timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep, makes total sense. You summarized it very well. I think that interview was the missing piece for me. I just didn't view what He Who Remains was saying in the same way the writers intended, but her interview made it more clear. Now I'm even more excited for Loki Season 2!

[@MegaChris456]

Makes total sense, I didn't realize Nexus events only happen when a new timeline is created that will produce another He Who Remains, which would obviously end up in another multiversal war. You made this so easy to follow, thanks!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, Michael Waldron's explanation made so much sense. I really like how all of this is coming together. Makes me even more excited to see where the multiverse saga goes from here. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@MegaChris456]

@@AbitofEverything4U I'm definitely excited to see where it goes from here. It's crazy how I can watch your video and get a better understanding for the overarching storyline than when I watched Loki and Quantumania. It all felt really complicated, rather confusing and hard to understand on a first watch. I'm totally up to speed now thanks to you, can't wait for Loki S2 now.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thx for the kind words and positive feedback. I agree, I was confused at first as well and it took laying it all out like that to finally make it click. It's a very cool storyline, once you see how it fits together!

[@pizzakoe]

Even when we get in speculative area, you keep sticking to the facts

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Trying my best...The multiverse story is a tricky one, but I'll give Marvel credit that they really seem to have thought it through and keep dropping bread crumbs along the way showing us the overall narrative piece by piece.

[@jasonreidy6893]

I think u might be a variant of he who remains. Since you know so much about the timeline hahaha

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Shhhhhh...keep that between us!

[@jasonreidy6893]

@@AbitofEverything4U. I saw a few pages from the timeline book on Amazon It does have iron man in 2008 like u suspected The Incredible Hulk in 2010 so presumably the rest of fury’s week in 2010 as well making the “ 6 months later “ in iron man 2 no longer canon Age of ultron in spring 2015. Makes sense Hulk training she hulk 2024-2025. ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiice! Yeah, those all make sense. It looks like they went with Vision's 8 years ago statement over the 6 months later between IM 1 and IM 2...which is fine. I do like the MCU starting in 2008, tbh.

[@roliv16]

If this is now the official canon I’d like it if they changed both the sixth months later on Disney plus and future physical media releases

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@roliv16Totally agree!

[@luiscobos21]

I think when the council refers to the “exiled one” at the end of Quantumania, they are actually referring to He Who Remains (who exiled himself) and are just now realizing that the sacred timeline that they do not have jurisdiction over is able to touch their multiverse (because HWR is dead). I also think it’s possible the Kang in Quantumania is the same as HWR, but timeslipped at the end of the movie into a place where he could then form the TVA and isolate himself from the others instead of fighting them.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, wow, how interesting...you're the first person to suggest the idea of exiled one that the Kang Council was referring to as being HWR. That's fascinating. I guess it could go either way, but I do agree that they would likely be more mad at HWR than the Kang in the QR. But it is still odd they would call HWR exiled, since he won the war and basically cut them off. Still, it's an interesting idea. But on the other point, I personally think the tactics and personality of HWR and the Kang in the QR are too different to be the same individual. But you could be right on that too. Hopefully we learn alot in Loki S2 to help answer some of our questions. Thanks so much for sharing all your theories. I really appreciate it!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Okay, the more I think about it, the more I love your idea that HWR is being referred to as the "exiled one". That was so sneaky of them to use that term, as we naturally think of the Kang that we literally saw being exiled earlier in the movie. But I agree, they must have meant HWR. I love that!

[@Frank1Tha8Tank7]

I couldn't agree more

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Frank1Tha8Tank7Yeah, it's such a great theory. I love it!

[@Zanetto]

The MCU being isolated instead of being the only universe existing before Loki S1 explains a lot of things. Great video as usual

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I really thought that made so much sense. I love how it's all coming together!

[@Sebas-jl1xd]

Since He Who Remains and the exiled variant of Kang have shown the sacred timeline as a circle, I like to think of the Quantum Realm as the center of it, where realities can coexist without interrupting one another, being able to access others. universes through it, and as you get closer to the depths of the quantum realm or, failing that, to the center of the circle, time passes differently, explaining why Janet and Scott experienced time differently

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...I like that theory...it makes alot of sense. Thanks for sharing it!

[@kapitankapital6580]

THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! Just as changing events creates two different timelines, two timelines that, through a divergence, result in the same events occuring become one. This explains so much, like why it is that timelines seem to have a level of natural resistance to divergence like why moving a stone doesn't cause a branch, because it doesn't change things sufficiently to create a new chain of events that keeps them separate. The red line in the TVA is presumably the infinite web of possibilities created by the wider multiverse, and any event that passes it becomes identical to one of those other timelines (and thus a bridge for the Kangs). It also makes sense as a way for the Avengers to cut out the multiverse (which presumably Disney won't want to keep around in the MCU forever because of all the narrative problems it creates) by basically cutting off the Sacred Timeline again from the multiverse. That not only puts them at odds with the Kouncil of Kangs who presumably want the sacred timeline for some as of yet undisclosed reason, but is also a lot more palatable than our heroes having to wipe out every other possible universe just to save theirs. Also, could this explain how Wong was able to use the spell Doctor Strange used as mentioned in She Hulk? If the risk for incursions only became a reality after He Who Remained died, it suddenly seems a lot more reasonable to use it to make people forget a party XD. It would be interesting to see how the sorcerers reacted to He Who Remains' death; the Ancient One's speech in Endgame shows that they have some understanding of the multiverse, but not a complete picture as she is still reciting what is essentially TVA propaganda. I feel like opening up the sacred timeline to the wider multiverse would have a tangible impact on magic and at least high level sorcerers would be aware that something had changed, even if they don't know exactly what.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...yeah, this really made it all click for me. I love all your observations and theories. And I'm all the more convinced that there really is a plan in mind. I feared the writers weren't thinking things through, but that interview made it all fall into place. Thanks so much for all your excellent commentary. Loved reading it all!

[@pigeonjoey]

I'd like to add that maybe the black hole in Loki may be the visual of the 2 different multiverses being separated

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yes, that visual did indeed seem to indicate that the sacred timeline was isolated from the other timelines Nice call!

[@lucagz6481]

"Universes", not "Multiverses".

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@lucagz6481 Well, the Sacred Timeline is technically a multiverse based on Michael Waldron saying it is multiple timelines interwoven like a rope. And since it's separated from the multiverse that the Kang Council presides over, then there were technically two multiverses while HWR was alive. However, when he died, that made the sacred timeline branch and connect back to the larger multiverse. At least that's how I was thinking it worked. I do hope Loki S2 gives us even more info!

[@aptak7518]

I can't wait for Season 2! Loki Is my favorite post-endgame project so far.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...it's a standout series and I have faith they will not disappoint us with season 2!

[@morchponkey]

this really the best channel for MCU content hands down

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...I really appreciate the positive feedback...all I know is making this vid sure helped me get it all in my head. So it's great to hear you enjoyed it as well!

[@williamhardwick9150]

18:43 I believe that he who remains may have used alioth to destroy all the timelines branching of from the sacred timeline effectively cutting it off from the multiverse and the red line point is when the branches would reconnect to the larger multiverse.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah! I like that idea! So he didn't destroy the timelines themselves, but instead destroyed the branches. Love it!

[@EmbassyNerdcore]

@@AbitofEverything4U Alioth chewed apart the Velcro :) it created a Void between where there used to be branch tendrils linking up. The complete multiverse would be infinite in all directions, like a fully woven Tapestry, but Alioth tore the fabric and unravelled it into isolated strands, or at least mostly just one isolated section. What Sylvie did is actually REPAIRING the tapestry, but with the other side of the coin being that a lot of the nearby tapestry has been overrun with Kang Council controlling it. Other sections of the tapestry have their own plagues, problems, moths, and patches placed by heroes (like the Zombie plague, or some kind of What If Carnage Merged With Galactus, or just Incursions creating burn holes in the Tapestry because of Quantum Erosion/Friction/Dr Strange Messing Around)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@EmbassyNerdcoreI love that explanation. Very cool!

[@DojoDanger]

I think a better "bunker" analogy (at least one that makes more sense to me) of what kate heron said is that he who remains locked all the other kangs into a bunker (instead of locking himself in one), and prevented them from getting out, which still fits with the fact that he "isolated" himself. When he who remains died, he was no longer there to keep them from getting out, and so the multiverse was out of control again. If he just locked himself in a bunker, he never really "ended the multiversal war", he just hid himself from it, while all of the other kangs were still fighting (and with the quantum realm i still believe there are infinite (one for each universe) because the only thing that doesn't make sense for this explanation is loveness' quote) can't wait for loki s2 and hopefully it (and maybe the timeline book???) will give us some answers!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Actually, you have a great point. If you read Herron's wording closely, she does seem to imply that HWR isolated "them" on an island, meaning the Kang council. I like that thought!

[@QuoteBlink]

"My father used to say, How you do anything is how you do everything. Called it the first and the last rule of life."

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Nice! Words to live by!

[@megaultradamn]

Bro, neither the writers or producers of the MCU give a shit about consistent writing. You're putting more effort into this than it's worth.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Could be...but I will say that the way everything fits together so well would mean it's actually more impressive that they lucked into things than that they planned it out from the start. Seeing it laid out like this gets me all the more excited for where the multiverse saga will go from here! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@doriandaykin2747]

Im very curious as to where the Kang Council story is going.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I like how it's all fitting together and I'm excited to see where the story goes from here!

[@santi2627]

kevin feige taking notes rn (but in all seriousness i appreciate the amount of work you put into all your videos!!! they way you laid this timeline out just connected phase 4 & 5 even more which is just so *chef kiss*. the world building is my one of my fav parts about this universe so thank you for all of your contributions ❤️🤘)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Yeah, I like to lay things out in an organized fashion as it helps my brain function better, but it also helps explore the rich world building, to your point. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your feedback!

[@jcg32818]

Best explanation of the Multiverse by far! Thank you for the video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Really appreciate the positive feedback...thanks so much!

[@ebonieprincess1972]

GREAT breakdown, Thank you for nerding out for us!!!!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yes indeed...I am a total nerd. Glad you enjoyed the breakdown!

[@MFSHARTY]

I really appreciate how you read the dialog of the characters, like at 1:17, rather than playing clips of them. Man if I can have you voice over the whole MCU, that would be fucking dope HAHA!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh my...you totally don't want that...I can't imagine trying to read RDJ's lines any better than he did. But I do agree, it does add variety to not keep hearing the same clips played over and over. So I do like to read them rather than play something you'lve likely heard a dozen times already. Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@Grelipe]

Amazing video! You're able to lay it all out so well!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@FLEXICUTlON]

wow this video is so in-depth and amazing! thank you for all the hard work you put into this and all your other videos

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much! Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@nortolan000]

Love your breakdowns, they really seem to fill some gaps

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@Moqbelsaggar]

That so amazingly awesome! Thank you for all the great analysis! I really enjoyed it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it sure helped me get things straight in my head...and it makes me all the more excited for Loki Season 2!

[@najeebullahibnamira3365]

For the past 3 years, I’ve wondered how all of this multiversal talk would culminate and describe what’s actually going on in the MCU. I’ve watched many KZbinrs theorize what’s happening, but none has perfectly explained it like this. This is “deep dive”. This is “getting into it”. This is a VERY good example of a speculative video and I hope it’s all the case.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the kind words. Yeah, I really do find this theory fascinating. It ties things together so well. And it makes me all the more excited to see where the mulitiverse saga goes from here. Thanks so much for watching the vid and leaving your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@Sagardua297]

Excellent review mate.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@kenromalino8557]

The exiled one the counsel are talking about when they say hes dead, is kang in the quantum realm. Because kang was exiled. And he died. The counsel was out of existance until sylvie killed he who remains. Then timeslines starting branching and they were able to come about.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Those are the exact same things I believed as well. However, Kate Herron's interview said that He Who Remains simply isolated himself from the Kang Council, rather than killing them or wiping them out of existence. Honestly, that does make alot more sense if you look at what He Who Remains said during his final speech in the Loki finale. Then, if you consider the fact that the Kang Council was always there and simply were isolated from the sacred timeline, then it does make sense they would be much more interested in the death of He Who Remains than the death of the Kang in the Quantum Realm. I really love those theories. But hopefully we'll get firm answers as the multiverse saga continues along. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it as it's great to hear what fellow MCU fans are thinking!

[@kenromalino8557]

I think he isolated himself by pruning their timelines so they wouldnt exist. I wish we would get another movie or show some time soon that actually had something to do with this bigger story. We didnt really get anything from thor love and thunder or guardians of the galaxy. Both good movies, but i am very excited to see more on kang

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@kenromalino8557I agree...I really hope we get something soon that builds on the multiverse story. I am hearing that The Marvels may have something in store for us, so that's good to hear. Thanks again for all your great feedback!

[@amf0078]

Great video mate👍🏻

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much! Really appreciate it!

[@NapoleonOfMikmak]

Excellent explanation! Thank you

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Really appreciate you watching and sharing your feedback!

[@xtram55mo29]

Appreciate the videos 👍👍

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@crisisnite1]

Nexus events are actually just timelines racing out to the rest of the multiverse. A "branch" reaching out to the rest of the timelines. Bridging the connection and the access to the 616 timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think that's a great way to describe it!

[@mrocco5258]

I honestly can't wait to see Loki S2. The first season was my favorite D+ creation in the MCU, and I think the second season has potential to be even better than the first.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...I think they've got something special in store for us with Loki S2. Gonna be amazing!

[@johnsantos507]

​@@AbitofEverything4UIt better be.😠

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@johnsantos507Fingers crossed!

[@johnsantos507]

@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah. Fingers crossed.😔

[@fiercepierce2634]

Excellent work on this video 📹 👏 👌 👍 🙌 😀

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much! Was alot of fun to put together and Robby was amazing to work with on it!

[@mayo4660]

thx for this. I always wondered this exact question

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep, it's been driving me crazy ever since the post credit in Quantumania!

[@zedrang]

Brilliant video, love how much you understand and care about the MCU, it's so good, too much hate on it these days, can't wait for Loki S2

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much! Glad you like the positivity...I agree, there's just too much hate these days. And putting together these vids got me all the more excited for Loki Season 2. Gonna be amazing!

[@deefromoakland602]

I’ve been trying to make sense of the multiverse ever since Loki season 1 , thank you for this video because I kinda understand the concept now which makes me very excited for the continued multiversal sage 😌

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, putting these videos together really helps me because my mind is very visual and so laying it all out in order really allows me to process things better. And I agree, these theories do indeed make me all the more excited to see where the multiverse saga goes from here!

[@strawhatdaprince2643]

Good stuff very thought provoking

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate that!

[@strawhatdaprince2643]

@@AbitofEverything4U thank you for the time energy and effort you sacrifice for people you don’t even know.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

😊

[@saipelekima5675]

This was so eye opening thank you I love your channel 😮😮😮😮🎉😂😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive encouragement!

[@Surfboarder4]

Nice thorough explanation

[@AbitofEverything4U]

And that's a huge thanks to you and all our brainstorming discussions!

[@SchellShocker79]

Amazing summary!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! It sure helped me put it all together in my head!

[@trillkage70]

Another great video

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much. Really appreciate it!

[@benjaminclaxton145]

Very good video, can't wait to watch season 2 of Loki.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Loki S2 is gonna be fire! So excited!

[@LethalVision918]

Fire content you got my sub !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate the support!

[@shirrok]

That graphic at the end is the best part.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that really helped me as well...it's hard to visualize things w/o some type of graphic like that. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@ShaKKDiseL]

This is Good. Watching it again.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much! Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@gibbings5534]

Really interesting that i heard that he who remains could be returning in new scenes in season 2, maybe those scenes will give us more info about what happened

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That would be awesome if he did indeed return. It would be great to have more of the blanks filled in regarding the first multiversal war and the creation of the TVA!

[@naamanhubbard1722]

Great vid

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...really appreciate that!

[@motor1105]

Oh man this video was amazing!! It's got me thinking so much about the closed loop time travel thing with Ms. Marvel possibly having something to do with this circle portrayed around He Who Remains. It almost looks like he is isolated in his closed loop that he created to keep his other variants from finding his timelines. Further pointing to your theory that the Bangle and Ten Rings could play a major role these next phases in my opinion.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, I like that! Yes, those loops may well be tied together. Nice call!

[@robi-wankenobi6416]

The problem is, HWR said that he ended the Multiversal war using Alioth, so we still don’t know what exactly he did, I mean, if he ended it then why isolate himself, but from the other hand, maybe he only thought he really ended it while actually it was just postponed, and maybe (it’s just guesses at this point but it would be cool) he teamed up with the 3 Kangs against the original one (the Conqueror was the one who started the war) and Aliothed his timeline while the others sent him to the QR, and then HWR was like “maybe he was right that the Multiverse will collapse under your watch, so you do your own thing while I’ll separate my timelines”; Anyway, I think the council of Kangs is in a similar place to the Citadel, except it overlooks the whole Multiverse (not the Sacred Timeline); Also, the description with the bridges matches this scene from quantumania 10:29 perfectly, it’s the Sacred Timeline merging with the rest of the Multiverse, I did not think of that earlier; And I think the fact that one Janet got a virus and the other didn’t can be explained easily, maybe there was one in this part ow the QR but not where our Janet went, or our Janet was just lucky (it’s a virus after all, it isn’t everywhere at all time) Either way, can’t wait to get the answers, but until then we can make these theories which is also fun, or switch our attention to Ahsoka, where there are lots of mysteries as well

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback. Yeah, I think you may be onto something. Perhaps HWR weaponized Alioth, used it to make the Kangs stop fighting, worked with the other three to exile the instigator Kang to the QR, and then HWR cut himself off from the others. That works for me. I do hope they tell us abit more about how it all went down, but that explanation is my head canon for now. I also think your explanation of the QR makes alot of sense. I think it's so vast that different variants don't run into each other. I suspect Marvel will never fully explain it, but your theory works for me!

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

My Theory, is that during Avengers Secret Wars, He Who Remains will help the likes of Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Mister Fantastic, Captain Marvel & Star-Lord defeat Kang The Conqueror & reset the Multiverse, destroying BattleWorld!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I think He Who Remains will side with the Avengers. That makes alot of sense. Nice call!

[@omegaaesir9447]

I just rewatched Loki last week and for the first time I picked up on the isolating the timeline bit

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I definitely missed that isolating statement the first time around. But it's pretty clear after reading Herron's interview that he explained it that way. I will give them credit for not only writing and directing a really good story, but they were also willing to do those interviews and help connect the dots in case people didn't fully process it the first time around. Can't wait for Loki Season 2!

[@TheMarioAdams]

The reference to the multiverse in Doctor Strange wasn’t because there was a multiverse “then”. It’s because when Sylvie killed HWR the multiverse came into existence across all of time simultaneously so in effect it was always there. None of the MCU films take place relative to anything in Loki, the events of Loki occur outside time and retroactively affect everything at once.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I will admit that it gets very confusing when things are happening inside of time and outside of time at the same...well, time. And Feige added to the confusion about by making it sound like No Way Home and MoM happened due to Loki, when your point is all of the MCU from the beginning of time was impacted by Loki. I am wondering, however, if we may discover that the TVA doesn't operate outside of time. The Loki Season 2 trailer implied Loki was "timeslipping" which shouldn't be possible if one is outside of time. So we'll have to see if the entire "outside of time" premise was another lie of He Who Remains. Will be interesting to see what happens next. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@tobyydb1360]

I would like to see more Kangs in the mcu, like Rama Thut fighting the Fantastic Four. I think that could help slowly hinting at what happened, for it to be revealed in The Kang Dynasty.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, that would be very cool indeed...hope that happens!

[@rhenceocampo3253]

For Loki season 2 viewers, the key word here is “A variant of myself in the 31st century…” HWR will be the last & remaining variant at the end of time. My theory is that HWR is caught in a time loop that he created for himself in the TVA. Giving himself the TVA handbook in the sacred timeline was Victor Timely’s nexus event.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theory...yeah, that line by HWR is certainly interesting indeed!

[@loganelkins8961]

I cannot wait for Loki s2 so excited !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr? Gonna be amazing...can't wait!

[@jacquelinejones7787]

The way to think of the quantum realm is that each universe has its own complete quantum reality within and the realm acts like a tesseract as seen in 3D. That is, the realities are constantly folding and warping around each other. You are deposited from your reality and can only cross realities if you can predict how the realities fold around each other. That's why the "inverted mobius strip" works, it's folding around itself to stay in the sacred timeline, a way to navigate your part of the quantum realm. Everything kang variants do comes from that initial discovery

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great explanation. I like that alot!

[@sickonthedrums]

The Council of Kangs is located on the Earth's Moon. Take a look back at the room of 4 statues. Thats an astronomical clock on the ground. The travel patterns only go through crescent moons interestingly. 4 statues equal for seasons or quadrants, the destroyed statues being the isolated quadrant. There's a lot more to that room than what we're seeing

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very interesting! I'd be down with that theory if that's what ends up happening. Would be fascinating to see what they do with that idea. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@joshuaogan3726]

I theorize that... 1. The quantum realm is so vast that you are less likely to run into your own variant. 2. Each universe has it's own entry point or entry points into the quantum realm, which would explain Janet ending up in the same area of the quantum realm. 3. The kang we saw in quantumania is either from the future of the mcu 616 timeline and that's how he ended up in the same part of the quantum realm as Janet, or he is from a "neighboring" universe with a close enough entry point, or he was in a different part of the quantum realm and fled for some reason. Maybe he was in the area where what if Janet had the virus and escaped.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great theories. I'm down for each one of them. Thanks for the feedback on the vid!

[@jfdrive]

It’s amazing how so many concepts are changed in Loki and how somethings are only making sense now

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I give Marvel alot of credit. It does seem they really thought all this out. Can't wait to see where the story takes us in Loki S2!

[@Raphentei]

I discovered your channel thanks to Pigpen's latest video ! You're a gem !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate that. And that was so nice of pigpen. What a cool guy to give that shout out!

[@Capybara_Productions]

This is the latest I’ve been to a video this month lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, bet the timing didn't work for you. I dropped it abit earlier than normal.

[@TheTwistedTreant526]

The Quantum Realm is MASSIVE if not totally infinite. Remember: People there are way smaller than an atom. Heck, the cities are smaller than atoms, and if you have cities smaller than sub atomic particles even if the entire QuantumRealm size is just comparable to a planet that's a HUGE amount of space to fill with different sectors. Maybe every single universe and timeline is given a set place to spawn when first getting to the Quantun Realm

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent points about the quantum realm. I completely agree. That would explain how variants would never run into each other. Fantastic commentary...really appreciate you breaking it down like that!

[@hxodrichfrenchies]

Once a Nexus event goes past the red line that allows a bridge for other Kangs

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...that's what I'm thinking as well. Excellent theory!

[@brobs0463]

I think an Incursion isn’t a natural process that happens, it’s when a Kang from the council steps in and destroys one of the two worlds. Now I don’t have anything else to this theory but it’s just a hunch 😅

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a definite possibility. For now I'm just basing my understanding on what Reed said in MoM and how it seemed they handled incursions in the Secret Wars comic run. But your theory has alot of merit. Won't be long until we find out for sure!

[@CosmicComicbooks]

Maybe that could explain why an incursion didn’t happen in No Way Home or Endgame as they needed the MCU to beat Kang, He who remains or a different villain.

[@echo_z319]

thats not how incursions work. An incursion is when two universes collide. If kang randomly destroys a universe its not considered an ‘incursion’, hes just… destroying one universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@CosmicComicbooksInteresting theory!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@echo_z319 Good point!

[@TheMuppetDon]

I'm so excited for this second season

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed....soooooo excited!

[@grizzlymedicine]

Man, I'll tell you what..… first of all I know one of these movies inside now because I'm kind of an obsessive weirdo (I'm saying that about myself because I know why, please, nobody take that as an insult towards themselves. please lol) but moving on, my dude, you need a seriously proper connection here I dig it.… I'm here for it and 100% DIG IT! I'm first and foremost your logic is 100% sound And by my best recollection, there's no straw grass in here, the dots ARE connecting.… in fact, that's what sold me on subscribing to you. Which is actually the reason for this comment to give you props for that..… We subscribed to channels like videos or whatever, but how often when we sit and we hear the presenter on a video say "hey make sure to click that like and subscribe", did we make a actual conscious delivery acknowledgment and decision to acknowledge and say to themselves "you know what you earned it here you go I want to see what else ya got" 🤷🏻 I don't know that may sound silly to people but like I said man, I'm here for I day yet and I do want to see what else you got, good luck, dude!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...that's such a nice comment. Thanks so much for saying all that. You are right, it's easy to subscribe to a channel, but it's not often we take the time to tell the creator why we subscribed. I truly do appreciate that. Thanks so much!

[@PAWTheGoldStandard]

The only thing about that is, the mention of the multiverse could have happened depending on when Loki occurred. Like from a time standpoint, when did Loki happen because when they crossed the threshold time I believe started again and the branches started breaking out creating the multiverse all over again which went away due to goliath and he who remains.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good points...yeah, it gets so hard to figure out how time works in the citidel...as it seems to be outside of time. I suspect we'll learn more during Loki S2 for sure!

[@daveislolololol7907]

I think Kate Herron is one of the few directors knows what she’s actually talking about. So many inconsistencies throughout Marvel projects but she seems to truly solidify how the multiverse that He Who Remains isolated actually worked. The word choice in Episode 6 was broad enough to not explain everything but the hints are right there. The explanation was broad for a reason. I think she wanted for fans fans to interpret that dialogue more after she told us in that interview

[@daveislolololol7907]

After all, the Kang’s in the end of Quantumania said “They’re beginning to TOUCH the multiverse. And if we let them, they’ll kill everything we’ve built” My theory is that he who remains built his timeline full of heroes that have the ability to go up against other Kangs because he knew the Kangs would feel their superiority being threatened by the heroes gaining knowledge throughout the multiverse. For the reason why Janet was always meant to go to the quantum realm, He Who Remains wanted Janet to come back to tell the heroes the real threat whenever she would have to face up against him again. And He Who Remains let Loki and Sylvie decide his fate knowing if he died, that the heroes would gather enough knowledge on how to defeat the Kang variants

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, wow...love your theory. Yeah, it does indeed seem like HWR was building up heroes in the sacred timeline. In fact, I touched on that idea in a new vid I loaded this morning. Excellent feedback. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!

[@goncalomartins3297]

Something I always wondered was why all the TVA agents were human. This, of course, is a consequence of the fact most variants we see are human, since all TVA agents are/were variants. Like you said, a Nexus event occurs when there is a timeline change that would create a variant of Kang. Because of this I believe that it would make sense that most Nexus events would be on Earth or Earth-related, whether geographically or related to people related to Earth. I believe events on the other side of the Galaxy would be less likely to "reach" Earth and create such an impact that would result in a different version of Kang, and therefore create a Nexus event. Loki/Sylvie for instance although aliens, are very much linked to Midgard and events on Asgard would likely influence events on Earth. At first I thought Marvel wasn't being very creating, taking advantage of different species for the TVA agents, but now I think this is very coherent and logical. Of course Kang could also be a bit xenophobic and only hires humans. On a side note, I see many people complaining on the treatment and processing of Variants "if they are going to prune them, why do they event bother with having them sign the forms, and take a ticket to stand in line, and stand in trial, etc". If you think that TVA agents are ALL of them variants it would make sense to have some sort of selection process, to assess which variants would have the necessary skills and mindset to work on the TVA - e.g., respect for rules, intelligence, compliance, organizational skills, etc. This is why the guy in the first episode that didn't take the ticket was pruned. If he doesn't comply to a simple command such as that he would be of no use in the TVA, so he was pruned to save everyone's time. Revonna Renslayer was a teacher, I believe she would have excused herself and agree to all procedures and be very cooperative, and so was sentenced to go work for the TVA, and then ascended in their ranks, as would other variants. This was also very intentional on behalf of Marvel. Thanks for your videos, they are really something else. I have other ideas we can discuss

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow, those are some great theories. I love your ideas about why the TVA is mostly human and I really like the idea of it being a test when they have to take the ticket, sign the form, etc. It's a way of determining who might be a good candidate for the TVA. That's a very cool theory! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really enjoyed reading them all!

[@zactacon]

In comics kang is a descendant of reed Richard’s dad, so maybe the reason we haven’t gotten a fantastic 4 in 616 yet is because this is true. This could mean to prevent a new variant of himself unraveling kang got rid of timelines with reed’s dad and so that’s why we’re only now getting a mr fantastic and fantastic 4 after he who remains has died.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very interesting theory! I wonder if that will come into play when the Fantastic 4 finally do arrive!

[@QuoteBlink]

“People don't change. Times do.”

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice!

[@CosmicComicbooks]

It’s still crazy to me that we are getting Loki season 2 after he died in infinity war

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ikr? Dude has as many lives as a cat!

[@NW95-pm5rm]

I’m super Excited for Loki season 2! I hope Johnathan Majors stays as Kang

[@AbitofEverything4U]

So excited for Loki S2. And yes, I really hope there's a way Majors can stay as Kang. His performances have been truly inspired!

[@NW95-pm5rm]

@@AbitofEverything4U his performance is amazing! Also do you think the timeline book will include the spider-man films? I really hope it does but I don’t think it will.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Now that's a good question. I will be really shocked if they don't cover Tom's trilogy, but I suspect you are right that they won't cover Tobey or Andrews movies, or Venom. They will have to at least mention them, to cover No Way Home, though...so it will be interesting to see how the book handles it.

[@Cris00900340]

The idea of a perpetually reincarnating multiverse when you mentioned the Big Bang/Crunch reminds me of how the multiverse operates in the comics, in which it goes through cycles of destruction and renewal. We are currently in the eighth iteration of the multiverse (Eighth Cosmos). The MCU may be interested in exploring that, especially considering that it was a very important concept in the 2015 Secret Wars event.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...It seems like we may be headed towards a new iteration of the MCU. Would be fascinating to see how the MCU would handle something like that!

[@BlackHedgehog]

A very excellent video, especially on the catching of the "isolating" part. But then there is the Selvig bit, just wow. It flies in the face of what Dr Strange says about "we know frighteningly little about the multiverse". I definitely agree that I think both the Fox timeline/s and the Sony timeline/s were interwoven with the main MCU timeline, no proof just my headcanon. The Quantum Realm becomes a really confusing situation that I didn't even realize until now. Either way I feel like Loki S2 will give us further information or at least I hope so. Amazing catch on the thing with Feige too. As far as the Incursions, since America Chavez's ability is a natural power does her travelling even cause incursions? Dreamwalking I get probably does but that's not how Doctor Strange got to the 838 universe. I do wonder then where the TVA and HWR were located if not in the Quantum Realm (he would of destroyed the TVA if it remotely was). Finally, the Captain America thing? Yes we need to see that, it'll settle that where did Steve go debate.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback. Yeah, the "isolating" part was so helpful as it really put it all together. I do like the idea of the Sony timelines being part of the interwoven sacred timeline. And I agree, I don't think America causes incursions. But you are right, it wasn't Dr. Strange that did the dreamwalking (sorry about that, I didn't mean to say that) but was instead Wanda. So excited to see where Loki Season 2 takes us!

[@BlackHedgehog]

@@AbitofEverything4U He did dreamwalk though into his counterpart's corpse.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh yeah...duh...I was just thinking of how he entered 838. Loved that scene with the corpse. That rocked!

[@Celebok]

Another great video! You know, I've watched that He Who Remains speech a bunch of times to try to understand it, and have always found it confusing. This video helped clear things up a LOT. So thanks for this! Mainly I was always confused about how He Who Remains' death caused the timelines to branch out of control. It makes sense if it's directly tied to him being in control of the TVA, and purposely pruning branches to fit his own goals, i.e. preventing more variants of himself from existing in connected branches. One thing I find odd, though, where you point out that He Who Remains didn't kill his other variants, but rather "ended the multiversal war" by simply isolating his own timeline like a protected bunker -- would that really END the multiversal war? Couldn't the other Kangs just go on fighting each other, while he's just hiding out in the safety of his own timeline? Or does that suggest that he was the cause of the war all along? "Who's been messing up the multiverse? It was He-Who-Remains all along!"

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, i really found this a helpful way to understand HWR's final speech. And you bring up the same thing that had thrown me off for awhile. I just assumed that "ending the multiversal war" had to mean HWR wiped everyone out and nothing but the sacred timeline existed anymore. And that's why I was so confused about how the Kang Council just re-appeared at the end of QM like they'd never been gone. However, what the quotes from Herron indicated is that HWR's way of "ending the mulitiversal war" was that he just hid from it. He created an oasis where the warring could continue elsewhere, but it wouldn't affect his sacred timeline. That's such a fascinating idea. To him, winning meant escaping from the war and making sure it didn't affect him, but he couldn't care less if the warring continued on elsewhere. Hope that makes sense. I love it because it then perfectly explains why the Kang Council was there at the end of QM. They had never actually left...they were just isolated from the Sacred Timeline, which was then exposed when HWR died. Love it!

[@srka42]

Going off your SpiderVerse assessment, I’d like to add the possibility for 838 to have always existed along side 616 given how closely in timeframe the universe line up during the events of Multiverse of Madness but until the events of Loki crossing over from one to another was impossible. This may also explain where the mutants have been in the 616 this whole time, present but not publicly. Lastly, I believe the sacred timeline has multiple concurren timelines due to the nature of Kang’s lifespan + how time travel was explained in endgame. Every time a version of Kang travels through time he creates a new splintered timeline along with a version of himself. For HWR to exist several of these splintered timelines have to exist for a variant of Kang to end up as HWR.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good theories! I do like the idea of 838 being in the sacred timeline and I am really curious to see where the X-men end up coming from. I suspect it will indeed be another timeline. And I think you are correct that the sacred timeline has lots of timelines in it and your Kang theory of creating splintered timelines makes alot of sense. That said, I am wondering if perhaps He Who Remains has discovered how to time travel w/o creating branches, even if the other Kangs do created branches. I wonder if it's HWR's tech that is making Loki timeslip as we've seen in the trailers for Season 2. Can't wait to see where the multiverse saga goes from here!

[@srka42]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thank you so much for your content & kindness! Many of your videos have helped shape my own theories while shedding light on things I hadn’t even known, especially in your Loki S2 Ep1 review! I didn’t realize HWR gadget was a Time Twister + TemPad, your theory that HWR was able to figure out a way to travel through timelines without creating branches makes more sense given he’s able to move backwards & forwards through linear time + through different timelines. This tech, in addition to events surrounding the recording in Loki S2 Ep1 will be consequential to how one of the many Kang variants we’ve seen so far became HWR. In regards to the X-Men without writing an entire essay (easily could lol) I believe the precedent set by Loki S2 EP1 will allow for retrocausality (back to the future time travel) to be possible in the MCU leading to DP3 revealing that due to all the messy time travel in all the X Men movies + OB’s recalibration of the Time Loom has melded the histories of The X Series + The MCU as we know it. Mutants will have always been present, unseen, and we’ll explore what has happened to them all post Dark Phoenix in DP3 with DP & Wolverine being the most prominent coming over to the MCU through Kang Dynasty + Secret Wars where even more multiverse characters return. Peppered throughout these events we’ll see more mutants show up in the MCU leading to proper X content post SW.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@srka42Love your ideas about the X-men and how Marvel may be ultimately tying together their crazy timelines and ultimately bringing them into the MCU. I agree, Loki S2 is setting up so many ways to make everything come together for Secret Wars down the line. Really exciting to see it all slowly play out!

[@gingerlegend]

still would love to see the video ranking who had the best haircuts. thor’s the dark world hair was his best, nat’s solo movie is his best, captain marvel’s new hair from the trailers is her best!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup, I love that idea...I definitely need to make it happen!

[@persephone342]

As I understand Time travel mathematically, you need a Mobius Strip to travel across universes. You need to timeline branches to line up perfectly clockwise and counterclockwise with the exact same number of folds in a Mobius strip. You can slip, pardon the pun, back and forth across branches as long as they exist, but once they’re pruned, that stops them from developing normally. The grey pieces are now pocket universes that are no longer tethered to the time line. They’re independent of space and time. Kang used this principle to hide 616 from being traveled upon from a Kang variant from another universe. These pocket realms are the only possibilities for time travel along a branched universe. As two Universes collide, they form bridges connecting both universes, hence the Mobius strip. Kang solved incursions by connecting time as a circle. It exist along all spaces in time at one point in all of time. 10th dimensional mathematics. Regular infinity moves on forever in the positive direction we refer to as time. Going back into the past creates a new timeline. You can go to the future and nothing would create a new timeline. Hence, probably why some variant of Kang went to the 31st century. He didn’t exist in the present. He created a paradox when Victor Timely reads the TVA manual. Who knows what he came up with. He could’ve traveled to the present and to the past. It’s just a question of energy. With others traveling on the timeline, they’re creating branches for Kang to ride his chair on.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Fascinating theories! I loved reading it all. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Can't wait to see where things go in the Loki series from here!

[@QuoteBlink]

Kang(2) who weaponized Alioth and ended the war become He Who Remain Kang(1) who find out that universe are stacked So.. Victor Timely is Kang(1) And in Quantumania it's Kang(2)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's certainly possible. Personally, I think that the Kang in QM is different from HWR because the Kang in QM was set on killing off timelines while HWR simply isolated himself from the other timelines, but let them live. So they seem to have a different view on how to deal with opposing timelines. I sorta feel like Victor Timely might become HWR, but hopefully Loki S2 will answer that. So for now, any theory is possible, and your theory may well be the answer!

[@wrldofgod6321]

In NO WAY HOME, the 3 figures in the sky when the spell was going awry were the 3 Kangs 🤝

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...that's a fascinating theory. Love it!

[@ShaneFussell]

The pit of phase option seems the most plausible. We’ve seen string/rope like allegories used before so they could go the route of string theory that suggests that we exist on one plane of existence and that theoretically another earth exists right in the same physical space as our planet but is vibrating at a different frequency. Could just say each universe had its own frequency we are tuned to and the quantum realm isn’t built so that these frequencies can interact

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point...yes, it does fit in with the idea of one plane of existence. Excellent analogy!

[@ShaneFussell]

@@AbitofEverything4U i feel incursions, therefore, would be easier explained too: two universes FREQUENCIES get intertwined. How that happens? 1) someone being in a universe they don’t belong in for too long 2) Dream walking (literally crossing the wires of a multiversal mother board to plug into another port!) 3) if the multiverse gets so vast maybe there isn’t a way to sustain the “weight” of the multiverse so certain frequencies start being reused or recycled, like say you only have a computer that counts to 1,000,000 and the 1,000,001st universe has to contend with the “1st” universe because it’s multiversal seat at the theatre actually got sold to another person Obviously trying to explain this makes anyone’s head hurt but you’ve done an amazing

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...it does indeed help explain incursions abit better. Love your line of thinking!

[@tbonebeats6429]

Heres my interpretation. I think when he said he isolated "our" timeline, he meant he isolated all the other kang timelines from each other. He often refers to the other kangs a group. us, we, our. He used Alioth as a deterrent to keep the other kangs in their timeline, thus ending the multiversal war. When he who remains died, so did the threat of alioth to the other kangs. That's why they were all excited at the end of antman, they were finally able to leave their timeline. I think, this is why Kang in quantumania called time a cage.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like that theory alot! Makes a ton of sense. It's great to see the multiverse storyline slowly coming together. Can't wait for Loki S2 to drop next month!

[@tbonebeats6429]

​@@AbitofEverything4ULoki is the only reason I keep Disney+ 😅

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree, Loki is an excellent reason to keep D+. Hopefully we'll get some more great content in the new year, but Loki is a fantastic way to close out 2023!

[@Merione]

When I first watched that post-credit scene the only thing I could think of was how many hours of dressing and make up poor Johnatan Majors had to go through to portray all those different variants haha! Marvel always goes above and beyond. I love it! And speaking of the issue with the Quantum Realm, I think your first idea is the simplest way to explain how one Janet got the virus and the other didn't. If you remember the establishing shots, bird's eye view of the Quantum Realm in all the previous appearences in different movies, you could see multiple cities in the background, each in their own "bubble", so to speak, and in between there was A LOT of space filled with all sort of strange things. In Quantumania we actually saw how big just ONE of those cities is, so the whole Quantum Realm must be huge in comparison. Since the Quantum Realm is connected to ALL the universes in the Multiverse, I could easily see how the two Janets just happened to pop up in completely different places within the same Quantum Realm, which explains how just one of them could get infected.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point about the multiple cities shown in the What If episode. I'll make sure to bring that up in future vids. And yeah, poor Majors. That was a TON of makeup!

[@Merione]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thank you! I'd love to be mentioned in one of your videos one day! Haha! One question I have regarding the ending of Loki S1 (which I hope S2 answers) is: why is there a TVA at all at the end, after He Who Remains' death? If the "main" TVA was created by He Who Remains specifically for the purpose of blocking off all the other Kangs, then why does Loki end up in a different TVA at the end? Who created it? And why? Definitely not He Who Remains, because we know the one HE created is the first one. But if not him, who? Another Kang, maybe? But why? Why would another Kang want to block off a complete timeline, if it's not to end the multiversal war, like He Who Remains did? Very very weird...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I need to be sure you appear in one of the vids...you give some of the best feedback, for sure! As for that wild ending to Loki S1, I agree, I don't have any good answers. Herron gives us a possible hint, but even her response isn't totally clear. So I think we'll have to wait for Season 2 to answer it for us. Hoping they have something amazing cooked up for the explanation!

[@hardstarboardradio]

Excellent analysis. But it's lacking one facet you have apparently overlooked. Recall that in the Loki season one finale, He Who Remains not only allowed Sylvie to kill him - which he proved he could have prevented effortlessly if he'd so chosen - but outright facilitated it. Which begs the question of why he did so. His proffered explanation of being "bored" after "millions of years" is dubious, since there's ample reason to question whether he knows how old he really is, objectively or subjectively. However, there is a logical alternative that makes perfect sense upon the slightest reflection: HWR was guaranteeing his own existence. Think about it: the "Great Multiversal War" as a paracausal event that begins at the end of time, in that citadel, at the hands of a Loki variant, with the effects rippling backwards through the "Sacred [Sheaf Of] Timeline[s]", triggering the multiple incursions that produce the very conflict that leads to HWR's sealing off of his sheaf of timelines, the TVA, and the MCU we've been watching for the past decade and a half. Who else would know how and where it began but HWR? And what we'll see in "Kang Dynasty" and "Secret Wars" will be the establishment of the TVA and the "Sacred Timeline". The Loki season one finale gave us a sneak-preview of the (at least original) Multiverse Saga story arc. Even if Marvel has done a crappy job of following it to date. It's analogous to the uptime temporal agencies in Star Trek allowing the Borg Invasion of the Federation (in the Destiny trilogy) because that led to the final defeat of the Borg Collective that in turn permitted the rise of those same temporal agencies. Self-interested time management.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I totally agree...HWR was fine with all of this happening. He gave Loki and Sylvie a choice, but no matter what they chose, we'd be back here again. Either they take over so he can rest or they kill him, get another war, and we end up back with a new sacred timeline. I am still curious how it will all end, however. I wonder if Loki will be left running the new TVA after all? I somehow expect that to be the case, but I'm not sure. Any thoughts on that? And thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your theories. I really appreciate it!

[@petecuss8434]

Hopefully we see some more explanations in Loki season 2 and Kang Dynasty!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agreed...really excited to see where the story goes from here!

[@lucagz6481]

I don't know if the whole "the Multiverse started from a single timeline" towards the end of the video would be correct. I think a difference between Universes and Timelines does exist. I would like to add another point of information, by writer Michael Waldron himself in the Making Of - Doctor Stranger In The Multiverse of Madness (on Disney Plus) where he explaines what makes America Chavez powers unique: "It's something that we enstablished is that it's impossible, near impossible to travel from one Universe to the other. In Loki, you can kind of hop from one Timeline Branch to the other, but you've gotta be anchored to some original Timeline. What America can do is, she can jump from one Universe to another one. She can litteraly do the impossible." Basically, the main idea is that each Universe's timeline is like the Sacred Timeline: a rope with many strands, and many of these strands branch off into alternate outcomes and histories, but they are still based on that ORIGINAL Timeline (Earth 616 for example). Other realities like Tobey and Andrew Universes, Earth-838, Earth-617, the Incursed Universe (Sinister Strange) etc etc are completly Parallel realities, just like Kang shows to Janet in Quantumania, which would explain why Incursions are a threat when interacting (physically or magically) with another Universe. In case, Kate Herron explained the same concept also in this article from Murphy's Multiverse, always in the same period after Loki final episode: www.murphysmultiverse.com/exclusive-loki-director-kate-herron-explains-marvels-interconnected-multiverse/ Regarding the Quantum Realm, maybe the two sections we saw in Ant-Man and Ant-Man and The Wasp (the void and sub-atomica as referenced by Janet) are still part of the same reality, while this new section in Quantumania is so deep that it stands on its own in the whole Multiverse.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! Regarding the multiverse starting from a single timeline, I agree, that part is just my guess. I would be fine if that wasn't the case, although I don't quite understand how it would work. Granted, I did a video on how we got a "paint" universe, which you can find here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ7MfJR3jL13aKM. But even then, I still assumed it all started from a common origin point. Let me know what you think about that vid, if you get a chance to watch it. Your comments on America were spot on. She can do something very special, which I don't think anyone else can do. Everyone else is tethered to their home universe, which she isn't tethered to any. As for the sony universes, I guess I just feel they could have spawned from 616, it just might be very early on in history. But maybe the timeline book will tell us for sure on that. I do really like the Murphy's Multiverse article, as it is very similar to the quotes that I used from Herron as well. I love that she fleshed things out in those interviews. And regarding the quantum realm...I've just decided to accept it's a magic plot device. If Marvel ever does decide to explain it, I'm all for it. But it just seems to do whatever they want. And I'm fine with that. It is, after all, outside time and space. So that would make it very funky indeed! Anyway, excellent feedback. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@lucagz6481]

@@AbitofEverything4U The origin of the Multiverse is an interesting topic, but who knows if they are going to answer that curiosity. Considering that the Timeline of each Universe is like a ring, I would bet that each Universe forms on its own ... but who knows. I think Tobey and Adrew come from their own Universes and always existed on their own just like Earth-838. Which would explain why time can work differently in each reality (on Earth-838, for example, Strange lost his hands in 2012 instead of 2016 and their present is set in 2021, instead of 2024 like Earth-616.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@lucagz6481Good point about time flowing differently for Tobey, Andrew, 838, etc. I did a vid on why universes have different "present days" and we are thinking alike. Here's that vid, if you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJiqaqZ6gNV6gMk. I still like the idea that HWR allowed the Spidey verses to be part of the Sacred timeline, but I agree that they must have split off very early, likely before the time stones had fully formed.

[@-Coleschultz]

Can’t wait for this season the first one was good and this one looks good too

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...Loki Season 2 will be amazing!

[@christopherlee8989]

Why does everyone think that Sylvie stabbing he who remains is the thing that unraveled the timeline? Does nobody remember two episodes prior where she bombed the sacred timeline and they were branches going out and every direction and the TVA could not fix it? Episode 4 people Stabbing him just ended his life. His life worth was not tied till holding the universe together it was already unraveling before they killed him

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point...tbh though, I assumed that the TVA was able to fix what she did in episode 4, but you could be right that this created too much of a mess for HWR and the TVA to fix it. But if that were the case, it seems HWR would have had a very different speech in Ep 6. He told Loki and Sylvie they could be in charge, but if things were already beyond repair, it seems there was no point to handing the controls over to them. Plus, he knew everything Sylvia was going to do, so that bomb in Ep 4 was part of his plan. Just my take on it though...you could ultimately be right.

[@christopherlee8989]

@@AbitofEverything4U Will he even shows Loki and Sylvie the conversation that they are having at that moment was already scripted out by him He knew everything up to the point where he drops the pen. He was just tired and wanted to quit after an endless lifetime or countless lifetimes of isolation. I think he was just bored and lonely

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree, he was very bored with the task and wanted to either retire...or be retired (i.e. killed) ... either way he got to leave that place!

[@bennett4789]

really great video that actually made sense of the current nonsense mcu worldbuilding. its a basic rule of filmmaking that if you want an audience to remember something you have to say it three times. most of the things in this video were there, but they were barely mentioned once and hardly given enough focus to stick. its no wonder so many fans are losing interest considering the current logic of the multiverse needs a 33 minute video to adequately explain. kudos!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point...they didn't follow the rule of three and so a very important line got swallowed up in the overall dialogue. Excellent observation!

[@chickenphat730]

Really, really, really great video once again man! This makes so much sense. I do have a couple questions tho. So you were implying that you think the kang council was mad about the exiled kang dying (or whatever happened to him) in Quantumania, and wanted 1999999 to pay. But wouldn’t they be happy about that happening? Because aren’t they the ones that exiled him in the first place, so they never liked him, and now he’s gone for good (supposedly). Another question is, if the quantum realm is one shared realm between all universes, then wouldn’t the kang council be able to go into their own quantum realm from their universes (which is the same as ours) and then easily get back to the sacred timeline? I personally think that this is part of what He Who Remains did to isolate the sacred timeline from the rest of the multiverse, so he also put boundaries in the quantum realm in some way, preventing anyone from any other universe from existing into the sacred timeline, keeping it separate. But people FROM the sacred timeline can move beyond the boundaries to branches and such, and still be able to return back (as we saw in endgame). So yeah I feel like boundaries to help isolate it are very important in the quantum realm as well, as it’s a way that we know people can travel the multiverse and time. And this also I think helps answer how Janet’s story was so different in What If, because there was walls (probably metaphorical walls, but maybe physical in some way, idk) separating the sacred timeline from timelines like the What If timeline, that’s why our Janet didn’t get the virus, and why our Janet didn’t meet any of her variants. And then the question is, we’ll can other universe’s characters meet people from other universes that aren’t the sacred timeline? Well I think for that the easiest answer is just like you said, the quantum realm is simply so big and massive, that variants never cross paths. And maybe the quantum realm does that by default, tries to keep unrelated universes separate. And someone might say, well if there’s infinite variants of Janet that went to the quantum realm, would they all meet the same people in the quantum realm and go to the same city. Well I think because it’s so big, the quantum realm kinda just repeats itself over and over (I don’t mean time, I mean like physically there is the same city or same rock other and other again), making it possible for infinite variants to have very similar or the same experience in the same exact realm, but also never meet. And the way the quantum realm’s time works weirdly could also play into this. One more tiny thing, you said that Loki’s time-slipping could be just him going to a time in the TVA before they met him, but I don’t think that explains why there is a Kang statue, because in S1, nobody knew about kang, only the time keepers. Alright, that’s it. Lol sorry for the long comment. Again, fantastic video, this all makes so much sense. Thank you for making these! Have a great day

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Regarding the Kang Council, I should have summarized that differently...they were bickering about the fact that they didn't get to kill him themselves, which is pretty humorous. Also, Immortus was worried about that Kang dying as it meant that "they" (i.e. the Avengers) were beginning to touch the multiverse, so they were worried that they may need to do something about it. I love, love, love, your points about the quantum realm...yes, I think HWR made it so that you couldn't travel from outside the sacred time to inside the sacred timeline via the QR. As you said, that also explains the zombie virus issue. Love that. And as for the time slipping, I agree, it doesn't really solve the statue issue from the end of Loki S1. So we will hopefully get that all answered when Loki S2 comes out. As always, great comments!

[@chickenphat730]

@@AbitofEverything4U ohh that makes sense about the kang council. I see. And thanks

[@AbitofEverything4U]

No problem...I should have stated it better in the vid!

[@krzyszwojciech]

Oh, btw, in the MCU it's apparently not the Big Crunch, but probably just constant expansion into Heat Death (or near it) until all of what is left falls into the Void 'at the end of time'. I think each moment just flows from some place of Origin, some world-generator and slowly heads towards the Void (or whatever is left of them; after all some may be destroyed because of incursions, while others could end up like the pocket realities with sole Dr Strange inside). Btw #2, Dark Elves were said to exist before the Big Bang - so they might be a species that adapted to a world near the end of the history, or maybe even to some space with the Void itself, but then they found themselves in a new reality with a new Big Bang and the light which is alien to them (which would imply that whatever is the nature of that world-generator, it might be recycling materials and energy trapped in the Void). Hence the timelines closed in a circle make a lot of sense.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! Yeah, I wasn't sure if the MCU had a big crunch cycle or not. I think your suggestion works as well. Basically, everything is destroyed and starts again. And yeah, those dark elves are a weird bunch. I mentioned them in my video on flashbacks in the MCU and I placed them before the big bang, but it's still so weird to me. Plus, even if they existed from the previous reality, it still begs that question of what happened the first time around? Did they exist then, or only in the second cycle? So weird. Anyway, love all the feedback. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!

[@krzyszwojciech]

@@AbitofEverything4U There could definitely have had been many cycles in the past with different histories. Though given that time travel exists and some of the significant changes might have come from the future into early moments rather than through the void and into new beginning, and given that such cosmic events like isolating a part of the multiverse are possible, maybe a 'cycle' is not be the best description. It's not as linear as the word might suggest. It's a beautiful mess ^_^

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...it is indeed a beautiful mess...and we love it!

[@leonardhm4962]

It will be epic.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

It will indeed!

[@jonahnichols1]

I would love more information on the different Kangs, but I'm not sure where we are going considering everything with the actor, though they can recast if they need to. I would be interested if in Kang Dynasty the Avengers go to all of the different universes to fight the different Kangs and that could be how we get cameos from all of the variants of heroes from the older movies like the different fantastic four teams, the different X-Men teams etc. where they team up in their separate universes and then all fully team up in Secret Wars in one universe (I believe called Battle World?) before everything is reset and start from scratch so the Avengers, X-Men, Inhumans, Guardians, Spiders etc. can all live in one shared universe.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, that's my guess...I suspect the main Kangs will split up and individually fight the different Avengers teams. If so, that will be so cool. Kang Dynasty has the potential to be an amazing movie...which of course then sets up Secret Wars to be out of this world!

[@mindchess6995]

He probably even disposes of or contains CA in that timeline, which changes the outcome of that timeline and allowing for him to spend his time with PC..

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool theory!

[@krzyszwojciech]

Agreed about the Quantum Realm - I don't expect they thought that much about the rules it's supposed to follow, or at least that they care to address the mess that it would be if they did think about it; it does whatever they need it to do. I ended up coming up with the same explanation: either it's near impossible to encounter your variants due to its size, or the QR itself consists of layers/"out of phase" realities. But it gets worse! It's not just the variants you should worry about! Take any timeline: each moment in that timeline (past or future from any chosen present perspective) seems to be a world unto itself - and they all exist in the Now (from the outside perspective), or the Meta-Now, the God's Eye, cosmic view. Each moment is its own world, because essentially branching could occur from any point in time at any moment from your perspective (just like Loki's branching happened after and because of the time heist). So what we see as [time]lines from far off, is most likely a collection of discrete dots, likely flowing through some medium, along certain pre-existing paths (stories that already happened once), or branching into fresh, new versions of those stories. So for instance, when you're pruning a fresh outgrowth, you're not only 'destroying' one world. You're doing it to the world at the front, one that veered off first, and to every other world that turned in the same direction following behind it. So while it makes sense that only one Loki would be in TVA (presumably the agents appeared at the front of the new path and pruned it from there after they arrested the Loki-at-the-front), all the worlds behind, with all the Lokis existing moments earlier would be pruned directly into the Void. Which rises the question - where are they?! Maybe the Void is also layered or simply huge? Either way, similar issue concerns something as seemingly simple [conceptually] as leaving the time stream (leaving one moment in time) and entering the quantum realm ('outside of time'). QR was said to be 'outside of time' at least once. Which makes sense. If each moment in time is really a world of its own and those coexistent worlds are merely following paths in a sequence of historical similarity (which we interpret as different moments in time) then in the global view at such cosmos, the view from outside of time, only the Now exists (and objects existing in that realm have no past or future existing physically). But if countless worlds follow the same historical paths, then one Ant-Man leaving time and entering the Quantum Realm means that countless other Ant-Men from relative times t-1, t-2, t-3, t-4.... will do the same thing split-seconds after the first one. Given that physicists divide time to at least Plank-length units, the amount of Ant-Men entering into QR would be staggering. If I count it right, every second 1,86x10^43 Ant-Men would enter the outside from within time (though arguably, given that timelines split in the first place, maybe time is not as dense at more advanced points in history...). Still, you'd expect those Ant-Men to bump into each other, as they exit time just fractions of a second after one another. All those Ant-Men also have their own Janets to entangle with, or connections to their own moments in time to communicate with in real-time (like in the post-credit scene of the second Ant-Man movie, just before the Snap). So it's not only alternate variants, but the historical versions of one character outside of time also must be separated from each other. On a side note, Kang might be even a bigger issue. If all of the above is right, after the first Kang discovered the method to get himself outside of time, not just variants, but zillions of historical versions of him would have entered the outside. Maybe one way around it would be to use something like the pruning technology (but this time really destroying past moments up to a point). Let's say he knows that if he decides to leave time it will cause a new branching path where he will be located. He decides to go with it (the new path starts to grow from the main thread). He sets up the pruning charges and as he leaves (from the front of the branch), all past moments up to that decision get destroyed (while the original timeline follows with Kang who didn't decide to leave). Some time ago, I started to explore another potential solution to all these issues: two-dimensional time, but I had to take a break from that. My head was spinning. lol. I'm still not sure of all of the implications, or even if it brings enough value.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow, what an interesting comment! I really enjoyed reading it all. Very detailed explanation of things...I think Feige needs to be reading this as well and trying to find an answer to the quantum realm. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out. Loved it!

[@agilebeast9405]

Did you see the new Marvel video promoting the timeline book? from the way they spoke it seems that our expectations will be met in as much detail as possible

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that trailer for the book was really exciting. I think we are going to be very pleased with the book when it comes out. So cool!