Loki S2 Confirms Huge Avengers 5 Leak? The True Villain of Season 2 Revealed - New Loki Plot Twists

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[@KindaCulty]

Alright I figured I was past due on a Loki vid since I haven't talked about it since Season 2 started. It's a bit of a shorter one compared to the usual vids, but a longer one will be dropping shortly. In the meantime hope you guys like this one

[@marcusyates3044]

Ravonna: "Such devastation... You might is unsurpassable, my Kang"

[@SIRGP99]

Yo bro can you let me know if I leave a super chat in this video will it be mentioned in the next one plz

[@marcusyates3044]

Ravonna: "Such devastation... Your might is unsurpassable, my Kang"

[@mikelowrey1910]

Don’t y’all think the voice in the recording talking to Rennslaer sounds exactly like the version of kang we got in Ant-man? Like, the evil one?

[@Felix-kz6bu]

Yeah def or the one that is now in charge of the tva

[@thomaspremeparsons9390]

Yeah. It does.

[@jordankraemer6466]

It definitely is the one from Ant-Man. The tone is exactly the same. I'm hoping he gets pulled from time and into the TVA by the end of Loki as Victor Timely uses his Prototype to travel to the 31st century.

[@mikelowrey1910]

@@jordankraemer6466 that’s way too good of a plot for them to actually do.

[@godson200]

But.. the problem is.. in the official transcript, it's written "he who remains" as the person delivering the dialogue. So naah it cant be Kang.

[@taylormadealpha]

What if the creators gave us Loki and Sylvie to tee us up for Kang and Ravonna, male and female variants of the same individual? HWR didn't just choose them as possible replacements for nothing. That would be crazy. Mcs Minutes cpuld plausibly love and serve her the same way she served HWR.

[@Christopher.Mathew]

It's too similar not that they are variants but they also flirt with each other .. what would that mean that every variant wants to smash themselves ? I think the reason for the flirting is a foreshadowing of what is to come or should I say what was.. that happened between them .. I think they were partners at one point an lovers an something bad happens in wich they betray each other or maybe even tried to save each other

[@Davefromdabend5]

Yea I’m not buying the variant theory they are definitely aiming towards lovers the audio recording in episode 1 definitely proves it as well. Kang definitely booted her out of supremacy and wiped her memory, transferred data into AI (Miss Minutes) to catch some of Ravonnas emotional ques thought process etc etc and help him aid and run the TVA so Kang wouldn’t have to deal with a physical/Human Ravonna after whatever disagreement led to erasing Ravonna’s memory. Now we’re seeing the ouroboros and instead of the end but the beginning of He Who Remains journey to taking over the TVA with Ravonna as an accomplice to win the new multiversal war involving the Avengers now

[@Christopher.Mathew]

@@Davefromdabend5 I agree... I would like to get your opinion on another idea ..do you think they can take more than one of the same variant from the same time line .. what brought this to mind is when they showed rennslayer as a teacher in season 1 what would happen if the would have brought that rennslayer back to the tva where the other rennslayer from the same time line already was ? Do you think one would disappear or would there just be two of them an if so how many time could they do that ?endless ? Anyway what I'm getting at is I don't think timely is a variant rather a copy (if you will) of the same kang that has the same intentions as himself . I just don't think kang would leave that up to a random variant that could have different intentions/ personality.. so in other words I think kang kidnapped himself an placed himself there as a sort of back up to reset the loop ..I'm just rifting here so plz lmk if there is something that can easily debunk this theory ..maybe something that I missed 🤷‍♂️

[@Davefromdabend5]

@@Christopher.Mathew I think it would just be two Ravonna Rensleyers in the same place at the same time just confused on how it is possible to happen. And that sequence would cause another branched timeline, and maybe even time slipping as well. I think with Victor Timely. He’s an Alias that He Who Remains had planned for to be possible to take over the TVA after his death. He knew Loki and Sylvi would go back in the past to find a way to get a temporal aura of someone who looked like him after the mess Sylvie caused at the end of season 1

[@Persephone_Personified]

@@Christopher.Mathewit would be exactly like Loki and Sylvie. They are both Loki’s. And they love each other. So pretty sure it would be exactly the same thing.

[@43tread]

Amazing video, and information, wonderful job as always!

[@yacobell7108]

Randomly found this video. Glad i did. Good stuff man

[@salvadorlloret-farina8767]

Miss Minutes is the engram of the original individual of whom 'Ravonna Renslayer' is a variant. The first memory wipe was to create Miss Minutes, by copying the devoted personality yet isolating her from the physical form which kang had loved - this is pre TVA - because Kang realises he isnt the type to have a partner but does see the usefulness and need for a form of companionship. Therefore from Miss Minutes' perspective she has always been with Kang 'before Renslayer' and before the TVA even existed just not in corporeal form. Rebecca Tourminet is an anagram - Co-Creator Minute Always have a back up. Time: OB Variance: Rebecca /Ravonna Authority: Kang There must always be three points as that's the minimum number of data points/dimensions for triangulation - relativity is dependent on a fixed point The rock upon which the citadel is built - i cant shake the idea that its part of the Dead Celestial Nowhere's head. Fitting for a place that is No-where and No-when a fixed point the intersection of space and time from which all of time and space is visible and accessible the folding point of both a Mobius Strip and a Klein Bottle. Where everything which entropy has split apart is rewoven, where the Oroborus's tail falls within its mouth. The physical/spatial threshold not the temporal one.

[@eddiesubternal]

Huh???

[@mariamyah12]

Basically he is saying that the TVA is built by 3 persons. T=OB V=Ravonna A=Kang

[@gracienphilosophyandlogic7826]

Thank you very much. I really love your work. My big question is that aren't the celestials aware of Kang, his variants, the TVA and the whole multiversal war considering how powerful celestials are. Where do you think marvel is heading after Secret Wars?

[@JKOversion1]

Like the short vid Tay, nice to see you keeping in touch with us. What do you make of New Rockstars and Heavy Spoilers theory of Ouroborous being the big bad? Also do you think Loki will appear in Avengers Kang Dynasty? Thanks buddy👊🏾

[@PrinceTron1]

Hi Tay! I've had been busy moving over the last few weeks. So I had no time to watch Loki season 2. But I finally got to binge all three episodes several times overnight into this afternoon. And I've enjoyed it and it's been so good and intense! I've been a huge fan and follower of Gugu Mbatha-Raw since her breakout and amazing performance in Beyond the Lights from November 2014. I'm so glad that she's in the Loki series as Ravonna Renslayer. I'm loving the acting and chemistry of all the characters, particularly Loki, Mobius, Sylvie, Hunter B-15, Brad and the guy who wrote the TVA guide. But Miss Minutes is so calculating, manipulative and chilling. She gives me HAL 9000, and David vibes from. 2001: A Space Odyssey and Prometheus vibes. It served me well to avoid all the spoiler talk about the Loki season 2 episodes. I pray this season continues to stay solid and not let us down like other series that started well but fell flat in the end.

[@R9Josh]

i saw victor timely as a con artist like loki did when running away. He plead innocent so he doesn't die. All cap. And that also seems like a kang thing regardless of morale. And silvy my guess for the villain or Ms.minutes.

[@Natta44]

I agree with this. They've made it obvious Loki and Victor are similar in being cowardly to save their necks but could easily turn when opportunity arises.

[@mathewschnier6619]

Good shit man as always!

[@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019]

He Who Remains should team up with The Avengers.

[@menfrommarvin]

Thanks for mentioning the Loki season 1 was good. I also believe that. There are a lot of the dissenters out there. Season 2 is awesome! I've been watching each episode twice just to capture everything that I'm looking for. I really hope they continue beyond this season. We'll see! 🙂

[@atmskater78]

Great vid

[@paulsanford7211]

Thanks!

[@culchiefilms1791]

I think HWR hid his younger self in the 1800s. It is one of the best places to leave a Kang variant if you really think about it, especially if you dont want him to rise to power

[@stickywilliams2820]

This szn of Loki is amazing so far

[@TomCarnivore]

Lets gooo babyyyy

[@dioufzahidadzikry6749]

idk, i think victor is variant who acually found tva and the universe between universe, until ravona comes and give timely the TVA Book, and then he found it, but i think nesseceraly, loki who came to 1893 who changes victor timely, who supposed to found TVA but, in the end he knows, TVA already shaped? Any theories ?, cause when we saw season 1, he said, "my variant found universe between universe" basicaly victor is the same variant or supposed to be HWR, but unfort, he becomes variant when loki came to 1893

[@taylormadealpha]

Do you think Victor Timely was born in the 1800s or was he born in the 31st century and installed in the 1800s by HWR as his back up plan?

[@TheSeagull78]

Born in 1800s and him and Renslayer are Reed Richards Mom and Pops!

[@SIMON_SAYS_SO]

According to MCU time travel logic, if you travel back to your past, you don't change your future that you came from that already happened but if you change something in the past that creates a nexus event, it creates a new timeline. He Who Remains never said he was from the 31st century. He said his variant was from the 31st century who had discovered the multiverse. He Who Remains is the child in 1868 on the Sacred Timeline but when Ravonna Renslayer drops the TVA handbook through his window, she creates a nexus event and variant of He Who Remains that is Victor Timely who we see next in the 1893 on a branched timeline. My theory is that Kang and all his variants are the Beyonder in plurality learning about life as we know it and will be explored more in Kang Dynasty before becoming the Beyonder again in singularity for Secret Wars. Ravonna Renslayer is a variant of Rebecca Tourminet who is most likely a Kang variant herself because He Who Remains said in the "beginning", he worked with the variants and was heard in the recording acknowledging that: "Ravonna Renslayer, you are quite a marvel. I will be proud to lead with you," Kang is heard saying. "You made a difference in this war. Thank you for being on my team."

[@dioufzahidadzikry6749]

I think when victor born in 1800s he still kid, then he found tva, and HWR is the same person with Victor, but he said 31st century, but loki brokes his faith, so he knew TVA already Shaped

[@jordankraemer6466]

​@SIMON_SAYS_SO wouldn't pulling a Captain America and stealing that book and prevent the kid from ever knowing the tva and stop the whole Kang thing?? America chavez/ Ms Marvel would need to take wanda or strange to that exact moment and intercept the slip through the window. Maybe insert it into a mirror dimension?

[@sedohema]

​@@dioufzahidadzikry6749#Grammar

[@reidashley4611]

And white vision In infinity war, he was about to go to Tony or the compound and then he got impaled. If he’s the real vision now, where did he fly off to at the end of the series ?

[@lastsaviour4916]

Victor will become kang the conqueror (from ant man-3) after visiting the tva and watching the multiversal chaos and then after winning the war Kang the conqueror wipes everyone's memory icluding renslayer and become He who remains.. thats the ouroborus cycle

[@LiarLiair]

Hey Tay! It's Aaron! Thanks again for the great content and great feedback! Got some interesting questions on varying topics for you: What's going on with Shang-Chi? Outside of the future Avengers movies, when you do think we'll see him again in the MCU? I know Shang-Chi 2 was announced but it got quiet after that. Do you think he just appears in another project? I really think it will awesome if he appeared in Spider-Man 4 and did some street level stuff with him and Daredevil, like they did in the comics. What do you think? Secondly, and seriously, what in the blue Santa Claus shit is going on with with the Fantastic Four film? First they have a cast, then they don't, and I'm trying to figure out where exactly they will fit into the greater MCU before Secret Wars. I've heard the film may be set in the past (in the 1960's) but I'm not sure of anything with this project. What do you think and how would they fit? Lastly, do you think Marvel needs to just slow down and really rethink the build towards Secret Wars? I hear you and various KZbin channels talk about the potential projects they have in development, but when you add in the confirmed films and unnecessary Disney Plus shows (except for Loki), it just feels like too much is being squeezed into a tight window. We all know the MCU is headed for a soft reboot, but do you think all of these projects are being crammed? Hell, do we even need Kang Dynasty? Wouldn't a Secret Wars trilogy be more viable? Thanks Tay!

[@101883abc]

Thing is ppl think kang the conquer died in mania but he didn't he got sent across time in his time drive and I think when it exploded it locked ant man and hus family in a groundhog day loop if u noticed in ant man at the end the ppl behind him were all wearing kang colors

[@101883abc]

Even saids kang the conquer will return at the end of quantumania

[@dioufzahidadzikry6749]

Did you get it? When victor learned about alll the univ he becomes briliant, and it effected to all his variant in other universe, the kang who in mania, is diff with Hwr, cause he destroy All population for his kindness i think, diff with HwR, HWR erase all memory ppl who obedient with him, cause what? He knows all, he form sacred timeline, until loki 2012 make annew time line and becomes variant

[@dioufzahidadzikry6749]

So the kang council is the result of victor timely inteligence, and then the second theory comes out when all people think that HWR is the same person with Victor, the diff is, he becomes variant when loki bring him to TVA, but ravonna alreasy knows that "there is tva before victor get adult" i think no wonder when she said, she obedient with HWR, cause she dont know Victor roughly... i guess

[@drunkmickeymouse]

I think this Kang will become The Beyonder It would setup the upcoming movies!1🤯

[@MagnusArnason]

What if Kang from Ant-man is who will later become He Who Remains? They seem to share goals like wanting to end the multiversal war and being enemy’s of the council of Kang’s

[@zeeshan-nn6lx]

This is exactly what I thought, in post credits of antman3 , council was discussing “they killed him” what if they were actually talking about HWR from loki, who was killed by loki variant. Because we are not really sure if kang the conqueror is really dead , but we sure know HWR is. 🤯

[@timmo971]

I don’t understand why the watcher could not get involved with Kang if he is destroying timelines like ultron did or else it seems a huge retcon.

[@pinaka5461]

Because everything is pre-planned

[@Mr_Death031]

In the infinity gauntlet story Dr doom teamed up with the rest of the remaining heroes to take down Thanos after he used the stones to eliminate half of life in the universe During the battle, when he saw the opportunity, he went towards the gauntlet to grab it when Thanos was distracted but owned instead Badly lol But hopefully nothing similar to that happens with Victor if he does end up teaming up with the avengers in the battle against the council But it’s possible People always have their own plans

[@chavez503]

That recording is not he who remains or victor timely that variant actually sounds like kang

[@MrTheHeadlines]

Bro ppl dont see it but its obvious that victor goes to tva sees the multiverse dying just like he who remains said because of all the other branches and with victor seeing that it triggers him to take on the form of kang in order to stop everything from happening just like kang said in ant man i turn into to kang because i need to be him because i saw the multiverse dying so for him to save it he goes on savage mode/kang the conquer mode then after the war is done thats when he becomes he who remains a not violent person but a person who is tryna keep his universe from dying end of story lol just watch

[@2ndstreetmarvel]

🤘🏿AWWW YEAAAAHH! BOIIIII!🤘🏿

[@jockdavis7852]

I think that renslayer secret. That she and kang never meant to be partners and he always betrays her or the other way around

[@proximashining776]

Or the secret could simply be that the TVA used to be different until He Who Remains had erased the memories of all TVA members. We know about it already because Loki had been to the past TVA, but for Renslayer it's still a secret. And definitely something she would be very angry about.

[@jockdavis7852]

@proximashining776 Maybe, but Miss Minutes said it was a secret about her, not the TVA.

[@BusterKay916]

How is Victor Timely a Kang variant? IIRC, in Loki S1E6, He Who Remains gives a huge exposition dump in his office at the end of time, wherein he explains that the previous Multiversal War came about when he (a singular individual born sometime in the future) and his variants all discovered the existence of the multiverse simultaneously, meaning all of the Kang variants stem from the same individual. Now with Loki S2, somehow Victor Timely is the same individual, but born in a completely different time period? How does that make any sense? I thought in the comics, Victor Timely was a Kang variant who went BACK in time, not the exact same individual but born in a different time. But that's not what happened in Loki S2E3, where Victor Timely is somehow the exact same individual as Kang/He Who Remains, but given a TVA guidebook as a child? They're pulling a Back to the Future II but with Victor Timely instead of Biff Tannen, which is ironic considering they openly mocked Back to the Future's time travel logic in Avengers: Endgame.

[@Davefromdabend5]

Marvel studios differentiates full on aspects from the comics and always puts there own twists on sources they pull from the comics. But it’s still not too far off. Season 1 episode 6 is a bit tricky, nobody knows if He Who Remains is lying or not. I think He Who Remains is still from the 31st century and was the one who Harnessed the power of Alioth to end the multiversal war and isolate his timeline (our current 616 MCU timeline). He knew he would die and another cycle of the newly multiversal war would happen so he planted an alias in 1863 which is Victor Timely. I believe this was a set plan he had like he said in the season 1 finale “reincarnation”. But now it is to the mind of Victor Timely if he decides to fulfil his legacy and rule the TVA and get greedy and want to Rule the Multiverse or he wants to be a hero and help the Avengers to take down the council of kangs.

[@OfficialTabanacle]

He actually says a variant of his in the future he who remains never once said he was from the future he said it was a variant

[@extraplain2412]

Unless Victor Timely is conning everybody so he could return to the TVA.

[@Natta44]

Okay I think the series will make it out that Ravonna and Miss Minutes are the villains. But realistically, Sylvie will likely turn on everybody. Think about it first she's a loki, second her life was taken from her, she'll discover a big lie about her origins that will drive her off the edge. She's in her Dark World era now, which is bit anti heroey. But she will now be in her avenger villain era, become Enchantress and take over TVA. She'll betray Loki, Mobius the rest of them and they'll be cast out the TVA. She doesn't kill them because she still has some humanity. Everyone keep forgetting she still has HWR temped wrist thing. No one in series has even mentioned that yet. So she's very powerful. Equiv of Loki when he had the mind stone. So Mobius will end up crossing with Deadpool in rhe void I reckon in Deadpool 3. Our Loki will end up crossing with Dr Strange in the dark dimension in Dr Strange 3. The time line will spew out crazy giving us lots of crazy movies and series. I believe Dox is a future Sylvie/Sylvie variant who tried to stop her before she became a villain. Kang Dynasty movie will be the other Kangs trying to fight to get into TVA to take over from Sylvie. That's my final theory on this. Ravonna will become fully fledged Renslayer and will be battling alongside another Kang. Not sure what they will do with Miss Minutes, but likely will be a killer AI Android once she gets a body.

[@huachenyuphilippines8243]

Oh a short one tyty

[@Kzx828]

Anyone think that the recording has yet ti be recorded and it's actually the current versions voices we hear?!🤔

[@xdecroix]

do you agree that Victor Timely is actually the Immortus version of kang, not Kang himself ? Listen to him speak after ant man 3, it's so perfect it has to be on purpose.

[@ericpatterson5050]

Hey Tay, Always good to see a video from you! Have any plans for Halloween?😊🎃👊🏾🕺🏽👻🤔🖤🎬📺

[@damiensefton9210]

If Ravonna is the big bad villain its gonna be like shazam 2 all over again. Also if a lovers tiff is the reason Kang created or runs the TVA the way he does then that's not a great storyline imo. At least Thano's reason for snapping half of the universe's life was more of a bigger thought process for acting the bigger villain.

[@danieltr94]

I feel like Victor timely is the one who starts the multiverses war. Without him, it would never unravel up to the point he who remains rules

[@jayhustle74]

Eveeytime someone mentions partnership is where he falls out

[@huachenyuphilippines8243]

Is victor a variant of past self ? They are on the same timeline

[@SIMON_SAYS_SO]

Victor Timely is a variant of He Who Remains. He Who Remains was the child in the Sacred Timeline in 1868. When Ravonna Renslayer gave the TVA handbook to the child in 1868, it created a nexus event and branched timeline where you see the grown version known as Victor Timely on the branched timeline in 1893 at the Chicago World Fair.

[@Chgr1702]

I think earth 616 is mean universe 616 is gonna get destroyed by kang from the antman later coz he said to janet im not gonna destroy yours but janet still betrayed him he’s gonna destroy it now for sure

[@tel5891]

You do more writing than the writers of the actualy show

[@CS-qc7np]

6:05 What? Where in the episode did Miss Minutes reveal to Renslayer that she was supposed to rule alongside Kang? Miss Minutes mentioned a secret, but I didn’t see them talk about it. Update: Miss Minutes did reveal this, but not in the episode that this video is referring to. She stated it in the next episode, which aired a week after my comment was originally posted.

[@austinking2959]

New episode

[@MrOulira]

They'll probably make the spin that she is a female variant of Kang like Sylvie is of Loki, seeing as MCU has gone for the strong female lead route a lot lately. Wouldn't surprise me. They've already completely changed the back story to Victor Timely himself.

[@eaglesphan5650]

It looks like they’re also setting Loki up to be Avenger Prime.

[@theportlyone]

i was gonna say why is A-train in this thumbnail but then I realized that's the Falcon lmao

[@Lapeacemaker]

Ravona is a kang variant

[@user-hi3mo3is6e]

I’m starting to think she maybe a kang variant

[@darrellfjohnson]

I think so too. I think she’s a Kang variant and her and HWR fell in love. But they had some type of falling out and he erased her memory and put her as just a judge in the TVA. That would make Renslayer and HWR a reflection of Loki and Sylvie.

[@dioufzahidadzikry6749]

Yeah i think so, cause he supposed to be HWR i think

[@norfolkpyro1422]

I’m enjoying Loki s2

[@chillininthebasement]

I still think OB up to some shizzle.

[@kibwel.parker6042]

Is it just me or does kinda culty kinda sound like a young Christopher Walken

[@mikelowrey1910]

He who returns… That’s hilarious

[@hoboringmaster8029]

Long shot; OB is a kang variant Powered by Qeng Enterprises ™️

[@elite_echo]

what up what up cultyyyyy

[@KindaCulty]

sup sup

[@reidashley4611]

My brain just came up with maybe she’s a kang variant?

[@bizzybrown8372]

Ravonna is going to partner with Immortus

[@TheAlphaLoneWolf1]

I’ve heard marvel confirmed that the Scarlet Witch is dead

[@norfolkpyro1422]

I think Deadpool will appear

[@loststoryproductions]

Not gonna lie Kang has been a meh Villain thus far imho hopefully they give us another villain to pair with him coughs Doom. Cough Wanda

[@faiazkarim-ix4ng]

I don't think we need a villain for this show, this type of show could go without any villain

[@jamiecumbee4108]

I think Victor timely will die at the end of loki season 2.

[@Ironhand187]

😂😂😂 I guess there had to be at least one simp for the death to marvel characters.

[@bighumphrey896]

Season two is 🥱

[@sedohema]

Unfortunately this ravonna is not the one from the comics. Knowing Disney, this is a female kang. Oh yea, Victor dies next ep.

[@sedohema]

Sylvie has always been the real villain. All this is happening because of her/she/they/them/it actions.