Huge Linus Tech Tips Drama

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[@MogulMail]

ATTENTION!! EVERYONE NAMED OR SHOWN IS NOT DESERVING OF HARASSMENT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL ABOUT THEM. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REACH OUT AND HARASS ANYONE ON A TOPIC YOU JUST LEARNED ABOUT 5 MINUTES AGO THAT IS WEIRD TO EVERYONE ELSE hope ur havin a good day :D

[@AltraHapi]

Agree, harassing might even make the situation worse behind closed doors

[@MrGurusing]

hi feller like your stuff

[@natetheshyguy]

:D

[@henryaz_]

hi luddy ♥

[@schwibblerton]

Okay

[@Flairsurfer]

Leave it to Lud to buy an alienware while having a business partner who literally has a custom PC building company.

[@jakeklic]

who??

[@supernub557]

Charlie owns Star forge systems in partnership with otk I believe

[@arkain1]

So no nepotism? Good. 😎

[@sebelo_1279]

​@@arkain1that's not what nepotism means but you do you 👍

[@ryker2895]

@@arkain1bro doesn’t know what nepotism is

[@windynaysh]

It's so kind of Mogul Mail to stay on top of all this drama so Ludwig can worry about his own thing.

[@why-am-i-always-so-emotional]

here before this blows up

[@AjarAvicii]

agreed

[@auber4773]

this has blows ip

[@itsfiji825]

these comments are getting reallllly old ngl

[@louiscarruth1802]

Please stop

[@commanderjericho]

As an IT guy hearing their lab results were wrong was highly upsetting. I don't have the funds to run a lab like that so I rely on those results as a metric when discussing hardware and now there's a chance I've been talking out of my ass because they goofed their quality control.

[@mariyastoyanova31]

Hence why it's probably best not to base your opinion on a product off of one review alone and gather multiple sources.

[@commanderjericho]

@mariyastoyanova31 moot point since I wasn't speaking on forming an opinion, merely referencing the information as a metric for discussion/comparison.

[@mariyastoyanova31]

@@commanderjericho My bad, since the main example were the mouse feet protectors, I thought it was in that realm of their content. Even so, still not a bad idea to cross reference performance stats from different channels.

[@commanderjericho]

@mariyastoyanova31 yeah I'll definitely be doing that from now on.

[@Squall598]

Yep, this completely ruined the trust in all of their reviews.

[@leokimvideo]

The most dangerous word on KZbin is 'review' because from what I see so many turn a 'review' into a neatly hidden very well paid sleight of hand Ad. Anyway this drama will only make LTT much bigger. Thats a no brainer if you understand how drama works related to social media.

[@LeSaff]

You're so right! I'm a voice over actor, who wanted like many others to record from home because of the Covid. I quickly realised that I had a lot of things to learn, including the gears. And guess what? If you possess some analytics skills, you realize about all the idiocies that they all repeat because they all copy each others. I came to believe that their main source of income is to resale all the products they receive 🙄

[@dirkdiggler9379]

@@LeSaff😂 voice over actor 😂

[@LeSaff]

@@dirkdiggler9379 what is so funny? please share...

[@typhon1861]

Reviews can act as ads but they rarely are intended to be. If you're looking for a new gpu, you watch reviews to make an informed decision. If you're being influenced by a review to buy something you were never interested in buying... I think you're the idiot then

[@kotoripikuseru]

It's so kind of Mogul Mail to shave his head so Ludwig wasn't alone in his punishment, so supportive!

[@warmech0964]

isnt ludwig dead?

[@pilzz03]

@@warmech0964thats what they tell you

[@thomashindle2230]

nah it’s joe bartolozzi

[@Thomanski]

it's the same person, mogul killed ludwig a while back

[@thomashindle2230]

makes sense why ludwig suddenly also had a shaved head

[@AltraHapi]

Correction @ 9:13 It wasn't a response on floatplane, it was a response on the LTT forums. Sounds sorta insignificant because they are in control of both, but floatplane is paywalled, so it would look even worse if a response was paywalled

[@NicerChile]

Also ludwig forgot to mention that Linus/LTT told the company two times they were gonna give back the prototype, but they never did and auctioned insteed.

[@z0bi_]

@@hos3886 it was monetized on release, they changed that pretty quickly tho.

[@chao807]

​@@hos3886it wasn't sponsored, but it was initially monetised with AdSense. They turned it off after feedback tho

[@theofficialemball]

​@@hos3886no they joked about it being sponsored but it was initially monetized

[@WholeHolyHole]

@@hos3886 the apology video was monetized. They turned it off after getting severe blowback. There was also a plug for the merch store.

[@cog9389]

pretty much all linus has to do is to not speak his mind. Anytime LMG is criticized, Linus takes it personally for some reason.

[@simpletown323]

I think it's cause to him, LMG is still him and he is LMG. Guy built his empire from the ground up and is hella invested in its success. Bad way to run a business but it happens

[@j-s-m]

I mean tbh if I created something and someone was trashing in any way or negative reviewing it I would be pissed about and take it personal. I think most people might. Hell some people might just take this Comment personal.

[@Sniperowns5023]

Well its expected since he founded LMG, its akin to a parent being told that their child sucks with reasons why.

[@phillrockman]

Some reason? Gosh. I hope we figure it out. I mean, it's not like the business he built from 0 has his name on it or anything.

[@swordsman1137]

Linus need to hear Luke more often. Sometimes Luke try to prevent Linus doing/saying something bad but Linus failed to noticed it

[@OhGee_Joe]

I'm really happy to see that you're thinking about not only your future, but the future of the people you employ. I feel like not enough creators look past the mountain tops of money they're making at the peak of their KZbin fame and I just feel dread when I think about where they might end up. I'm just glad there's some rational people in the industry. Way to go!

[@antyxwg]

I just don’t understand why when even Linus himself admits they don’t have enough time for videos, he himself couldn’t do anything about it until the situation blew up

[@doclime4792]

Capitalist sigma grindset man. He has a commitment to all his fans to get videos out because all over the world people tun in and depend on him man. What are they gonna do if a video doesn't come out? Watch Big Bang Theory? Actually they could do that and it would be just as worthy of their time IMO

[@turtleneck369]

it is really just greedy mindset or rather as doclime said Capitalist mindset that most people have just produce produce produce money more more ore and quality goes out of windows

[@ijucr2267]

Because he should be responsible and prioritize quality vs just making videos pulled out of his behind, people make purchasing decision based on his reviews

[@2Curriuss]

Linus is not a CEO, so he is in a loophole

[@atypicaloddity]

Ludwig the kind of guy to make his company an employee owned co-op

[@pedrogarcia8706]

I think that's the solution to the problem he raised that he "doesn't know the solution to yet". give offbrand to the employees. He said it himself, a normal company doesn't need a ceo.

[@Ry_TSG]

@@pedrogarcia8706it’s not even that a company doesn’t need a ceo, but at the very least the ceo and other leaders should be chosen by the employees

[@pedrogarcia8706]

@@Ry_TSG at the very least. But honestly it's not needed. The people who make the company run know how to run it.

[@deantan7538]

@@pedrogarcia8706 I think you may guys may be mixing up owners and CEOs. An owner doesn't actually need to do anything, they can just sit back and get returns (although often they do get involved). A CEO is a paid employee that manages some aspect of the company. The employees can jointly own the company, but they don't have to run it like a democracy - in many cases it's still better to have an experienced CEO making big picture strategic decisions so that employees can focus on performing in their roles.

[@pedrogarcia8706]

@@deantan7538 I don't think a company needs either.

[@trollpatsch.]

One addition regarding the Billet Labs thing: "just give us the money" may sound weird, but they posted their reasoning on the LTT reddit (I believe). It's a combination of: - A new prototype is already in production - It's uncertain how long it would take to receive it - There is no guarantee that the prototype still works if it was in random people's hands This could also be a huge problem if the block was auctioned to competitors... Quite messed up Edit: There's comment stating that Billet Labs only wanted the prototype back after shit hit the fan. In LTT's first apology video, there is a screenshot of the email correspondence between the two parties, in which can be seen that Billet Labs originally allowed LMG to keep it, but then asked to get it back when Linus disliked the product. This seems to have happened before August 10th. Probably just fanboys in the comments...

[@MogulMail]

True

[@PHIplaytesting]

Billet needs to bear their own share of responsibility for what happened. LMG screwed some things up, but Billet also didn't take care to communicate their expectations clearly or take measures to ensure their investment was protected if it was so important to them as they claim. For example, they told LMG at one point "you can try it on a 4090," which is what they did in the video, and then got upset that they tested it on a 4090 and the numbers didn't turn out great. Then when LMG tried to send it back to them they told them "you can keep it," and then seemingly changed their minds after LMG put it up for charity auction because LMG didn't have any use for it. The ideas that the company was stalled because they no longer had their prototype (which Billet claimed was the case), or that the block could end up in the hands of competitors which could somehow reveal some kind of trade secrets (which I believe was purely speculation on Gamers Nexus' part), don't seem to fit with their treatment of the transaction on the whole. The fact that they've been so happy to be the center of a pity party in the wake of people finding out about LMG's mishandlings and process errors while they themselves have been about as sloppy as LMG is pretty questionable. If they're going to take part in scrutinizing LMG so closely they ought to take a look at themselves and their own methodologies as well because they either screwed up with something important or they're not quite being honest.

[@Tigatron1448]

​@perfecthumaninterface I dunno man... sounds like a lot defending LTT. You come off as a butt hurt fanboy, but I could be wrong. I actually agree that Billet could have done better at communicating... but holy shit did Linus handle that entire situation wrong. I don't think GN came off as all high and mighty like you're portraying. I'm a bigger fan of LTT than I am of GN, but GN doesn't come across nearly as pompous as LTT. I wonder if you even watched the full GN video because they didn't make it just to harp on mistakes that GN makes too. GN admits their own faults as well, the difference is in how they handle the mistake. LTT won't reshoot things, they'll leave a pinned (or even sometimes unpinned) comment to address a major issue in the video, or sometimes you might get "lucky" and get an annotation during the video. You can't be doing that kinda stuff when your brand is "we're better than the other guys because of how vigorously we test things." LTT already acted like that, but to say it out loud, essentially calling someone out by name in a video is insane. The bottom line is that LTT has been getting worse and worse over the years with Linus being a massive reason why. I used to enjoy his channel a lot, but as he has grown in popularity he comes off more and more as a self righteous prick. Not to mention how rushed the videos feel these days as well. I'm amazed at how unprepared they are when doing some of these projects and then half assing to boot. I think it's taken a very obvious toll on everyone who works there.

[@PHIplaytesting]

@@mitakemiyao No shifting of blame required. LMG made all the mistakes that they did. Billet making their own mistakes has no bearing on that.

[@Tigatron1448]

@@mitakemiyao I never argued what Billet said, so not sure why you're directing it at me? I'm not attacking Billet, it's just a fact of working in business where stuff easily gets miscommunicated/misunderstood. I'm not defending LTT for their actions... because regardless of there being some hiccups in communication, they still handled the entire situation poorly.

[@WhiskeyTangFoxer]

Theres one thing we should all take away from this video. Never talk trash about Ludwigs streaming setup.

[@WeightedPressurePlateOfficial]

alienware prebuilt 💀

[@thomashindle2230]

his partner in business literally co owns a pc building company 😂

[@serendipity696]

I swear every time I watch a mogul mail I appreciate you more and more as a person. Not in a parasocial way but in a “damn this guys pretty cool” way

[@PerfectSense77]

The irony…

[@heythisisreal]

@@PerfectSense77what irony? He genuinely seems like a pretty chill guy based on his KZbin persona. Doesn't mean we know he is. We don't lmao. But it's a fair assumption I'd say

[@thesnowman2509]

It’s the opposite for me lol. I just want lud to shut up more every time he has a bad take

[@moltencucumber6514]

​@@thesnowman2509what was his bad take in this one?

[@serendipity696]

@@thesnowman2509 then stop watching his mogul mails? Sounds like your creating your own problem

[@gFamWeb]

Minor correction: Linus didn't initially respond with a "blog post on Floatplane". It was a forum post on their own forums, which are public, unlike Floatplane.

[@Coyote_GoLightly]

Charlie has the opportunity to do something really funny

[@Motowad]

*Proceeds to absolutely cancel Ludwig and destroy his career*

[@Ridlay_]

LOL

[@thesnowman2509]

@@Motowadcancel? How could he be cancelled for using an alienware

[@sunnybey]

I appreciate how much Ludwig cares to be responsible in what he says/puts out. It’s a welcome breath of fresh air seeing a content creator being so aware of the weight of their word as well as actively trying to take care of and better the livelihoods of those employed under him. All the best, Lud - keep doing you 👍

[@jellytwins1018]

Isn't he the same person who said something along the lines of "I don't care if I promotes gambling or p*rn to kids as long as it makes me money"

[@UndertaleONG]

@@jellytwins1018yeah

[@fsxvhd]

​@@jellytwins1018fr? When and where?

[@jwlsiee]

this is mogul mail thoigh

[@devshankarnair6344]

@@jellytwins1018 wait where did he say that ???

[@CoStarkTV]

ludwig with no hair looks like that one kid we all went to highschool with

[@HearMeLearn]

This isn't Ludwig it's mogul mail

[@calculatormaster]

​@@HearMeLearnthis is ludwig

[@Dargon8959]

@@calculatormaster There is no way they are the same person they were in the same room

[@calculatormaster]

@@Dargon8959 trust Me it's ludwig not his clone

[@Greaseball01]

I went to a high school in northern England a poor area - everyone had this haircut

[@comedyzone]

Hey Ludwig, from 7:20ish you've made a large mistake. They asked for it back BEFORE the charity event, they agreed to send it back several times. The charity event rolled around and they auctioned it off by mistake. LTT Was seemingly asked about it and seemingly shrugged it off for some time. Nexus broke the news about this and the community was outraged, it was only then that LTT offered to pay for it but made the claim that they had offered prior. GN has followed up with Billet regarding the timeframe and the offer definitely came in hours after GN released their video. This may seem like a trivial misrepresentation of the sequence of events, but shows certain levels of intent, or lack there of, as well as integrity regarding these issues and resolving them. Until the very end LTT refused (and still does) to accept that his representation of this product was unfair in any way despite it being significantly mischaracterizing of the product. Further showing the lack of integrity and respect for small businesses in this space.

[@thesnowman2509]

Lmao what? They’re right to do so

[@comedyzone]

@@thesnowman2509 Who's right to do what?

[@TKVisme]

The chart shown is exact what they do on republican news to be deceptive xD I know youre not trying to do that but I for a second I thought they dropped to almost no subs

[@msachin4885]

The trend of immediately commentating and reacting to a situation immediately after it starts trending is something I always hated in social media, and I'm glad you're trying to break that behavior. It makes you a much more level-headed and reliable source of information. I believe that stride for accuracy over content far far outweighs any loss in views you suffer, good on you Lud

[@Hanclok]

Really what additional information was provided to you in this video that wasn't available 12 days ago when he made the original video except you know the self promotion at the end?

[@_marou_]

@@Hanclok he made it concise without us having to keep up with drama at all through Twitter and other sites, he also gave his two cents as an observer and if he were to make it as the drama just started, he will be inaccurate and come off as an ignorant individual. Having all the context of a situation is a must, it's part of the critical thinking. It may have seemed that he only plugged his team, but at the start, he gave his two cents as a business owner on what Linus said about companies.

[@swordsman1137]

The sad thing is somebody need to report/publish this event. Imo the correct thing is just telling the "meat" and not adding any "spice" (read: comment) on top of it.

[@42isTh3Answ3r]

He literally used to do what you described, until a coulpe of months ago. Am I the only one remembering how both him and Charlie jumped on the Mizkif's stuff last year?

[@rkfabricante]

@@42isTh3Answ3rI think he recognized that that’s why he’s uploading less here like he mentioned. To have more context before jumping on the issue.

[@skylarrose4176]

I think that Offbrand paving a very visible path for employee ownership could be massive. Very excited to see what comes out of the brainstorming

[@tiller518]

agreed

[@JaegerDreadful]

That's what I was thinking too. It could really show that employee ownership not only works, but works better than the other alternatives. I could really see Offbrand be a progressive business of the future.

[@microdavid7098]

I lowkey would like to join as a gamedev for offbrand

[@foufayyy]

Making a cooperative type business may be an answer? I wonder how it’d work in the creator space... Regardless I like the way Ludwig is thinking about workers. I wish more people would do the same.

[@JStack]

Hasan, and several other content creators, already do it. There's no magic formula, give your cooperative effort a % split of revenue. Can haggle over the %s, but the foundation is well established.

[@ayushdhar]

@@JStack how does hasan do it? I thought he just has free lance employees

[@ryanstardust_]

​@@ayushdhar he pays them a significant cut, either allowing them to choose their own percentage (iirc he does this with merch?), take home all the profits (like his yt editors), or splitting equally (like the podcast)

[@ayushdhar]

@@ryanstardust_ that is not a co op. The whole point of a co op is that workers have a say in how the company as a whole is run. It's not just the percentage of revenue shared

[@ayushdhar]

To be fair though looking back at the original comment I didn't realize that op also doesn't get what a co op is 🤣

[@luckv5516]

As someone who's in the mouse enthusiast community, the guys that review mice are really clueless and it's annoying asf knowing smaller creators that are better get drowned out by dumbed down reviews for products that aren't made for the average consumer

[@mocapcow2933]

When I first heard about controversy, I thought it would came out that they are bad people that don’t deserve a platform. And then the more I heard about it just sounded like a heavily rushed company that made mistakes and should have corrected them. It definitely seem blown way out of proportion

[@kobisjeruk]

This is why you dont bad mouth other folks unless you're prepared to face the consequences.

[@Dave102693]

Exactly

[@seanocd]

Particularly in business. You can get away with a lot of shady shit, but as soon as you invoke the name of another it's open season on calling that shit out.

No wonder that guy who started this got fired.

[@raynjpg]

@did he really get fired?

[@sorashiro7611]

@@raynjpg can i see your feet

[@Zombieprohunter]

4:30 I actually looked at the bottom of my mouse and peeled off the protective film, that I completely didn't realize I had left on. Thanks Mogul Mail!

[@FweshPwinceJiff]

I watched this all unfold bit by bit from gamers Nexus first vid to linus responses. And boy was it a ride. I think everyone was taken by surprise at linus doubling down TWICE. It was so careless. He has all the right to take things personally but what failed him was his ego and anger. Thinking that just refuting the claims would make him and the company look better. He's not even the ceo anymore and said all this without cross checking with anyone. It was wild and deserved the loss of his fans and people like me who wanted trusted reviews. The final response feels hopeful though and I think they did a good job with the changes they're planning and basically telling Linus to calm tf down

[@FweshPwinceJiff]

Also for a reviewer to not even read the product manual to know how to use a product correctly is wild and telling. Then said no time for corrections or awareness that it's wrong to do. Just doubling down 😭.

[@demospolsion6539]

Idk, I think it was completely undeserved and out of proportion. He LITERALLY has been talking about how they have these issues and are looking to fix them for months

[@govindsharma7738]

@@FweshPwinceJiff if you need to read a manual to use a product its a bad product, i dont know anyone who will read manual to use a common item like a computer mouse or keyboard.

[@eechee2979]

LTT is entertainment tech. If you watch LTT for reliable statistics, you're doing it wrong. Similarly, if you watch Gamer's Nexus expecting drama-free statistics reviews that aren't hinged on taking pot shots at other channels, you're still doing it wrong. Linus needs to slow down and Steve needs to grow up.

[@catcactus1234]

@@eechee2979Then LTT should put a disclaimer on their videos saying they’re just “entertainment tech” and no one should trust their statistics. Otherwise, you can’t fault people for believing a channel’s reviews when they market themselves as a trustworthy tech review channel.

[@HollowdTV]

i remember watching the original billet labs video and being like "... wait they're just gonna put it on the wrong card?" and then after he said the product was bad i was f****n shocked. like dude linus you CANT do that. that could end a small company....

[@ColinandSamir]

You're welcome

[@robotninjago]

HUHH???

[@itsmesto1371]

E

[@sorprenant9106]

I have been sceptical of LTT's working conditions ever since he said on the podcast he is against his employees discussing pay. Big red flag.

[@WholeHolyHole]

He’s also against unions and his wife (49% owner) was head of HR until recently. His rationalization for being anti union is very strange and only accounts for his feelings instead of his employees well being. He has said he would take it as a personal failure if his employees unionized. One of those _“but we’re a family”_ types of bosses.

[@draginator6]

In their return video they show the statistics of worker turnover and just how much lower it is than both the national and industry average, if it was such a bad place to work people would leave.

[@lordfrz9339]

Im not a fan of unions either, they start with good intentions then quickly grow corupt. But not allowing wirkers to discus their pay is scummy. Thats non of their hysiness what workers talk about, especialy off the clock.

[@naurrr]

​@@draginator6turnover alone doesn't reflect the culture or working environment of the company especially if workers are very attached to their jobs and don't have a lot of alternatives in the industry. they work in a very niche industry. the employees were clearly overworked and have said so multiple times. stop whiteknighting LMG they aren't going to notice you

[@jeja6801]

@@lordfrz9339we do not need to know if you aren't a fan of unions

[@BrandonWestfall]

Slow, physically and mentally but we love you anyway Lud.

[@fuadlabib703]

I'm a luddite to this

[@swordsman1137]

We love Ludwin and Mogul Mail. Don't waste your time at someone who said he's not our friend ;)

[@soulevans7588]

Who’s Lud? I only know Mogul Mail

[@henris8367]

What are the odds that Ludwin shaves his head at the exact same time as Ludwig? Life is crazy

[@WanderTheNomad]

I thought this was Mogul Mail, not Ludwin

[@maximilianbrunner1203]

​@@WanderTheNomadcrossover

[@duckdictator6531]

LMG has done an incredible job shifting from a Linus focused model. It was something Linus started doing many years ago and was one of his smartest moves. I genuinely believe that Linus could leave and LMG would continue almost business as usual.

[@StrengthOfADragon13]

Alright, IDK how much this matters to you, but it is refreshing to see someone embracing the insane pressure that comes with responsible leadership. It's not easy and I respect your efforts greatly despite not normally being one to watch your content

[@A_NDYTV]

Only people who didn't come from TikTok can like this

[@danc4046]

So to add context, the Gamers Nexus video didn't come out directly in response to the comments from the tour. It came out in response to Linus doubling down on the billet labs testing, his response to the tour comments feedback, and calling out Steve during a podcast.

[@darkmine775]

I love these Mogul Mails. The moment one of them is posted I instantly watch and on 10-20 minutes, I know pretty much everything everyone is talking about. Thanks Ludwig! And his viewers for keeping this channel alive!

[@swordsman1137]

I kinda like the audience not really taking side and put what they have on their mind instead just follow the most popular opinion

[@fenxis]

There are a ton of good takes if you want to learn more; in the review creator space there is the Hardware Unboxed podcast, the JayTwoCents RTFM podcast on the topic of LTT fanboys and some social implications of these review mistakes. There has been some good take rebuttals of the language that GN:Steve used that made subliminally more incendiary. Some of these issues seem have been known at some level for a while... hopefully LMG/LTT continues down the path of actually addressing them instead of pushing stuff aside in the rush to push content out.

[@acksawblack]

Are you all paid commenters? The comments under this video sound like marketing spiel. Who types like this outside of work.

[@bvidi5319]

I honestly am very hopeful that you find that certain balance in power in a company and their employees, I feel like there is a way to operate in those conditions and it’s just a matter of finding it - and I feel like you and your team are a group of smart people that might get there

[@3EyeWand3r3r]

I unsubbed over LTT over this. The thing that finally made me decide to do so was the "come to god" video, ironically. It took SO much to get this guy to just finally man up and accept culpability. Even the video where they owned up felt forced and unauthentic to me. Combine that with the dubious information, and I'd rather get good information from humble providers.

[@blurryface9910]

To be clear: There was absolutely no miscommunication regarding returning the copper cooler. There are screenshots of a super clear-cut conversation of Billet Labs saying "yes, we want it back" and LTT saying "okay, we will send it back in a couple days." Straight up. Couple weeks later LTT: "hey sorry it's late but we have it ready to go, it will be shipped early next week" *Repeat that for a couple more weeks* *0 messages from Billet since they said they want it back* Out of the blue LTT somehow crafts miscommunication and sells/auctions it.

[@Hideyoshi1991]

They said that email didn't get sent to billet and the cooler got thrown in the wrong area. It's still pretty bad, but not nearly as bad as purposefully stealing it.

[@mildlydazed9608]

Hate how he danced around technicalities with we didn’t sell it. It was auctioned

[@cabobs2000]

​@@Hideyoshi1991 seems like the type of mistake that could easily happen.

[@BooleanDev]

@@mildlydazed9608auctioned for charity not profit, big difference. GN made it sound like they were trying to make a quick buck

[@BooleanDev]

to be clear, BL initially said in their email it was LMG's to keep and changed their mind after seeing the video

[@DimasTWD]

Man i'm gonna miss Mogul's Ventriloquism Skill at start of each video.....

[@nicoleherriot9846]

I heard about this drama at the beginning of this week and had to look up everything myself (traumatizing, lonely, scary😢). So glad to have my Mogul Mail cover the topic, everything is right with the world again

[@TeamTDU]

Fact check sheet still has not included that Billet Labs originally said LTT could keep the prototype. Billet Labs changing their minds after LTT video release is the source of the miscommunication.

[@Jackson-se5sb]

The most informative thing in this video is learning you can 2x speed with mouse thanks ludbin.

[@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel]

Legitimately. I never knew that. Granted, I don't watch KZbin on my PC that much, but I do enough for that to be useful.

[@fujster]

6:06 Corrrection : There is literally ONLY one. This was their ONLY prototype, they needed it for development, and it cost thousands in production and opportunity cost.

[@cosmey449]

LTT Definitely screwed up here, but if you only have one prototype you definitely shouldn't send it to someone else.

[@Nateylion]

Honestly I doubted and thought that Ludwig wouldn't make a Mogul Mail with a youtuber he's collabed with before... RESPECT. The journalism degree coming in handy!

[@WhiskeyTangFoxer]

You must be new. Mizkif, Atrioc..

[@zankaa8031]

Wdym bro he's literally done it for so many people he has collabed with...

[@matsaune6433]

Correction @ 10:18 Madison’s twitter tread came our hours before the apology video was live. So before not during the time LMG took the break. This was also a pain moment for the community as it felt like the apology was rushed out.

[@ytr1um]

Yes was going to say, made the jokey tone much worse

[@naurrr]

didn't they also put a sponsor in the apology? it felt really insincere

[@matsaune6433]

no, but they were joking around saying that they could have had a sponsor@@naurrr

[@gavintantleff]

@@moush5042didn’t she work for like 2 years

[@blurry7672]

@@moush5042 she's definitely been apart of ltt/lmg for a lot longer than a few months, but she quit like two years ago without exposing any details about why. it was only until recently that she explained everything.

[@EriksBlue]

Madison is a amazing funny person I’m so sad with her treatment

[@kenocontreras]

Thanks a lot for the overview of this drama. I follow both, and I saw a few videos regarding this, and I was so lost from where it began. Now everything makes sense.

[@Ryan-zr6yb]

Not gonna lie I never took LTT as a serious tech reviewer I always thought they were aimed to towards more mainstream viewers if you wanted something more in-depth go elsewhere. I used to love Linus doing random shit in his office but he kinda just stopped doing that randomly.

[@dvargas3553]

This is kind of a crazy crossover. Ive been watching GN and LTT for years, so to hear Ludwig talking about this stuff (and of course the Madison drama, which was crazy to say the least) was not what i expected in the least haha. Cool to know that Lud also knows a bit about GPUs and CPUs as well and tech KZbinrs.

[@pawa303]

Ludwig’s setup was reviewed in a recent LTT video, and Ludwig reviewed that video.

[@WJeezus]

Gamer Nexus is a weirdo. I dont rate that guy at all.

[@FardeenRiyadh16]

​@@WJeezushow is he a weirdo?

[@WJeezus]

@@FardeenRiyadh16 bro made the entire video because he got butt hurt. It wasn't done because LTT are bad, but rather cherry pick fumbles theu had, and expose it as revenge. Hes nothing but a weirdo loser

[@SpeckObstler]

Would be based, if Ludwig actually made Offbrand a worker coop.

[@FinanceWisdomTech]

Also remember HR is his wife, huge red flag at the company.

[@galhadad341]

“I was expected to post 3 tweets, 2 Instagram posts and 2 tiktoks per day” complaining about this like it some sort of labor is the most millennial think I've ever heard.

[@SkyeHasACuteDog]

That’s not a bug it’s a feature. -Lud 2023

[@FunkyFrog88888]

Therapist: Ludwig with a buzz cut cant hurt you he doesn't exist. Ludwig with a buzz cut:

[@kuromad]

I hope LMG and its employees find a pace where they are comfortable with the quality produced while also maintaining business operations. It is a delicate balance, but made worse by the volatility of online advertising. Tech viewers are a lucrative group to advertise to, but at the same time very hard to advertise to. And the floatplane subscribers mostly don't do it for the extra value the service offers, but to support them and be part of the community. That is why the numbers dropped so rapidly.

[@QQTs]

As someone who helped build and grow a KZbin channel that sold for multi-millions, it really does suck to see your boss walk away with everything and the employees who did the work end up with none of the benefits. I try not to be bitter about it, but I can't help it sometimes.

[@zz-eo6vz]

You did?

[@chrisaronson]

@@zz-eo6vz he did not

[@tbroreal]

well, he has dropped his fair share of hard r's in the past

[@LindsayDaly]

Crying at Linus talking about how they never have time for retrospection at 8:34 ....and whose fault is that, Linus? lmao

[@mikey1500]

If you really want to give people more say. Make them shareholders, make it a co-operative. They then get a share of the profits and have a vested interest that the company succeeds other than a basic salary.

[@Silverwidows]

All of the mistakes GN pointed out can be fixed, but the maddison thing is the really tough situation.

[@thesnowman2509]

NASA isn’t using their stats. It ain’t that deep

[@bruno-why]

I want to bring up a point. Last month Linus did a event and released a bunch of exclusive merch that only who was subscribed to floatplane could buy. Many people (just like me) must have subscribed for a single month, bought the merch and then unsubscribed. Thay isn't all, but it could've have helped with the sudden drop of subscribers.

[@am53n8]

Everyone and their dog had something to say about it, so it's good to see that some people waited instead of jumping on the bandwagon. Other than that I think the video by TechTechPotato about this whole situation is a good one

[@chrisaronson]

and more $$ if you wait

[@Wuke321]

I know you said it as a joke but what about a week of Ludwig’s friends “running” the channel. They all livestream, appear in vids, Mogul Mails, etc. Just to see how it works?

[@4bidn1]

It's giving Ray William Johnson

[@luigikart222]

I recommend checking these sources (e.g. Gamer Nexus's video and Madison Tweets) because there's a loooot of important details that are lost in translation (of course Lud couldn't cover em all in a single short overview video). Especially the scale of LTT's mistakes, the level of out of touch from Linus, and the severity of Madison's experiences (alleged). It's shocking.

[@randomstuff508]

We really shouldn't speculate on the madison allegations. There's absolutely no need to stir the pot any more. Nothing of value will be brought forward without any official word from LMG.

[@PiousSlayer]

Madison told white lies throughout her post. The time frame lines up with the woman who was falsely accusing Linus of wanting sexual favors in exchange for a Floatplane creator spot. I think her name was Naomi Wu. Linus talked to Madison about the situation because Madison ran the social media accounts. This was proved false a long time ago and Madison knew it. If she omits facts about something so minor (impacting her personally), then what else is she omitting, twisting or lying about? I'd take her allegations with a major grain of salt until the third party investigation is over.

[@MrBlitzNZ]

How is the like to dislike ratio being displayed? I haven't seen that in sometime.

[@docN386]

Day 165 : good morning Mogul ❤️ Hope you have a great day my friend ❤️❤️ I'm still at 156 subscribers 😢anw much love 😘 sincerely your friendly neighborhood ludbud from lebanon ❤️❤️❤️🥔💕💖

[@joshuawaterhousify]

Clarification on the Billet Labs section: The comments on 'you shouldn't buy it' weren't solely because of the performance and it's misrepresentitive view of it, but also because of the practicality in Linus' eyes. That said, they still should have retested it. They also weren't initially asked to return it; they were told they could keep it for future use in a video, but because it was clear they weren't going to (and probably because they were upset with the review), they requested it back. (Note, in case it's visible in the backend, I watched this on a device I wasn't logged in on and replied on my phone; I have watched the whole thing. Looking forward to the 1v1 with LS though!)

[@TheFeelTrain]

Yeah I am actually with Linus on this product in particular. It's an $800 waterblock. There is no world where it's a good buy unless it somehow magically cools 3x better than the other existing waterblocks. No amount of testing changes that.

[@joshuawaterhousify]

@TheFeelTrain I agree that it's not a good buy, particularly with how they couldn't find a case that it would suit, but I still think he should have tested it again regardless, just because I'm curious as to how it would have performed properly. But I was also trying to give a more objective rather than giving editorial :)

[@leonardorosso3299]

I never knew Ludwig was so based, explaining a Marxist economic system💀💀💀

[@genadijssmirnovs6524]

Comrade Ludwig has been breaking out of his scamwig shell for a while now

[@sammy8796]

Ludwigpilled

[@LadyLexieVT]

Linus is taking the approach of the parent showering their kids with gifts so that they mask the other issues present in the relationship. He didn't really address the workspace toxicity and sexual harassment, but rather said, "WE ARE SO GOOD EMPLOYERS! LOOK AT US, WE ARE GIVING THEM HUGE BONUSES AND WE HAVE GAMING DAYS SCHEDULED FOR THEM." And bragging about their epic Christmas parties really felt off-putting, given the criticism they had faced. Nobody really complained about the money, but the work conditions.

[@Sofia-qr6rg]

I don’t think it’s that he didn’t want to talk about Madison. I think it’s more that he absolutely should NOT talk about Madison. Doing that will only make things worse for himself. The best thing would be to let his CEO handle it after the investigation returns it’s findings, whatever they are.

[@xian2633]

i cant believe its been less than 5 months without a like to dislike feels like its been years

[@Fenneccinos]

sorta sad Linus lost all tracking of what youtube is about and fell into just being a company who also doesn't care about the people he's informing, just the numbers. Very sad and I've seen successful youtubers die bc of it. hope he changes

[@logan_page]

One thing to mention, just a few months ago they hired a CEO who was actually given quite a bit of power. I highly suspect that he won’t be afraid to let heads roll once the results of the investigation come in.

[@dressdenblack]

The problem with not being thorough with Tech reviews from large companies as large LMG is that they can tank a new business for just being lazy. I've been following this since the news broke from GNs first video.

[@Plantsvszombies221]

Great video Ludwig ❤ always love to see a mogul Mail video! Keep it up ❤❤❤

[@TossBoy]

who's ludwig

[@AndresLionheart]

What's the point of that World's greatest gamer competition? Everybody knows that Billy Mitchell is the video game player of the century. No one can come close. /s

[@DeeVect]

Billet labs originally told LTT they could keep the prototype, so it was probably marked as their property..then Billet labs didnt like the video and requested it back. Theb the miscommunication insued.

[@dangdang8106]

I think Linus is either just at the point in his life where he's gotten too big for his own good. As in he believes he doesn't make mistakes because he's got so much experience and knows a lot. Or he could be at the point where he's done it for so long he's just lost the care factor.

[@ImanQuest]

Bit of both

[@Plunkcown]

gotta say i respect that Lud waited a bit to upload a video on this until more facts were known

[@moustashguy5315]

yeah its crazy that he did that and still got a bunch of stuff wrong

[@kapser2210]

@@moustashguy5315 elaborate

[@skataneric]

The funny thing is I used to review components as well like 10 years ago, and we had the same mantra as the guy who started this whole thing. We'd advertise that any time we tested it was always fresh testing and we never pulled from old database numbers. Which is a pain, but when in a couple months things like driver, firmware, OS updates etc... can happen, numbers will change. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for worse. However, the thing we didn't do is name names to cause shit and drama. When you do that, you've given a free pass for anyone to pull out those skeletons on you. But also, some of these review sites have different relationships with manufactures/distributors and you can piss off the wrong people and get blacklisted/lose sources.

[@SilverDragonLord]

Honestly the thing that i felt was the worst part of the billet labs fuckup was not just the incident itself, but the fact that linus double and trippled down on deflecting blame about it and outright lieing about communications they had with BL at the time. That more then anything makes me question there credibility going forward.

[@pebalii6184]

THE ONLY thing I learnt from this video was that you can hold down left click to 2x video speed.

[@ahmetlackscontent]

i love that you put the number of takes it took you in the description it makes me less anxious about my own videos

[@lifealchemy1218]

0:06 Uploading *fewer videos xoxoxox

[@taeahn6065]

I love when linus techs his tips

[@AniClips699]

My only problem with the GN vids is it only came out and was a thing cuz the dudes feelings got hurt that LTTs labs called him out poor little guy. Not that he didnt have good points but it was just a hit piece

[@ashtonhinkle1134]

his vids are fun to watch I don't watch them for the reason of testing products

[@justinholtman]

Mogul mail guy should teach ludwig a few things.

[@WildStallion67]

Loved the discussion of how a company should operate, hope you continue on that path of empowering the workers more :)

[@yellowdicesam]

Ludwig is the type of guy to record 5 takes of an entire video instead of cutting each part out and editing them together Respect for that to be honest

[@Famouslastplace]

14:00 the appropriate word is allegations. Nobody should just side with potential hearsay. At least if your ultimate goal is being unbiased that is.

[@Tubeytime]

Sounds like you're trying to re-invent the idea of a company itself. Good luck, if anyone can make a dent in that direction, you're one of those people.

[@seyai1]

Worker owned cooperatives might be the way to go for the final piece of your puzzle! I’d definitely look into that kind of structure, like setting aside preferred shares without voting power to keep any investors happy without jeopardizing the worker-owners. This is not advice btw I’m just a KZbin comment

[@justinamaral825]

I appreciate the fact you waited to gather all the information you could on this. For example i had no idea you could hold left click to speed up a YT video. Good shit and great video 🤟

[@younlok1081]

the left click didn't work for me :[

[@Dobby_Dobson]

@@younlok1081 Nor for me....

[@William.Kelly7]

Linus definitely showed it was now malicious when he refused to properly test and when he lied about the agreement

[@naurrr]

doubling down on his podcast over a test he didn't even do with the correct equipment billet labs sent him was crazy

[@SL_Beast]

so inshort Linus fucked up people complained Linus listened to the complaints and made changes and owned it up. Guess problem solved lol

[@jacklombardo6228]

I also love how Linus, the guy who started Linus Tech Group and owns it, is complaining that there isn't enough time to make quality videos with a daily upload schedule. Mate, you make the calls, just reduce the workload. They have so many income streams. Even with the $1m a year drop in income from floatplane, the can for sure make enough money from even one less video a week, which will allow for better content and better work conditions.