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[@mattwhittaker2835]

"You are spending more time hating than living" actually fire quote from this mogul mail guy

[@yourmomsboyfriend3337]

Yeah. Other KZbinrs I watch like Ludwig are trash at coming up with good quotes

[@syan2240]

​@@yourmomsboyfriend3337 agreed

[@jenske2881]

A guy like let's say ludwig could never come up with that quote

[@lando3143]

I’ll like this but not the video

[@4louisMC]

Mogul Ludwig should give us our Ludwig back!

[@felis00]

this seems like yet another situation that should have been handled privately rather than aired out to millions of people in an essay format

[@crinklecutfries8313]

I guess the issue is that it was attempted to be handled privately for weeks to no avail. this, to me, felt like a message-in-a-bottle thing to get quackity's attention and frankly I can't fault him for that. I know quackity doesn't have a rep of being receptive or making statements but I find it cold to see somebody being attacked en masse largely by your fans and refuse to give them anything that could help alleviate it, at the very least just saying that you don't condone people being cruel on your behalf

[@patriciodoria100]

​@@crinklecutfries8313 Quackity is also being attacked.

[@crinklecutfries8313]

@@patriciodoria100 yes, which is why it also would have been in quackity's best interest to nip it in the bud when dream first reached out with the intent to mitigate the damage. dream has called off his fans before and in that thread, that's all he can really do. it's not a competition of who has it worse

[@DobleD1997]

@@crinklecutfries8313 It is a known fact that harassing is a bad thing to do, it is a known fact that Quackity has never indulged or encouraged harassment towards individuals of any kind, especially not in this Dream created fight, and it's not like he is the police or even a part of the twitter mod team so he has the tools to stop them. Dream talking hasn't stopped his fandom from attacking the QSMP or its members either (or any of the other people he has ever associated with in his past, it's always the same with him), quite the opposite. Yet people don't care. What else do you want when Quackity has stayed out of all the trouble from day one doing his own thing? Do you want him to shed more light into the drama and escalate it even further no matter what he says or does? People shouldn't be coerced in order to talk about an issue that they neither started, nor encouraged, nor feel comfortable talking about. You can't drag him into the drama that he himself has stayed away from. A drama that once again, he never encouraged.

[@crinklecutfries8313]

@@DobleD1997I understand where you are coming from to an extent, but I want to note that dream has been supportive of the qsmp since day one saying he was “excited to see quackity’s server”, later saying “without quackity, I don’t think [USMP] would have happened.” on april 10th, he said “I hate seeing people minimize what Q has done in the gaming space, as even if other people try and build bridges, he broke down the wall to make it possible for them to be built.” in the thread itself he said, “I will continue to say that I have the upmost respect for Quackity as a creative mind, a hard worker, and a person, and don’t want anyone trying to take things I do and compare them to his work to put him down or to pit us against each other,” as well as “I don’t support any hate towards anyone, any form of doxing, threats, harassment, racism, is unacceptable and you’re not welcome in our community if you think otherwise” ultimately this drama is ridiculous and cruel and I don’t know why we can’t just have our cake and eat it to. there will be competition between the servers, but dream has already said that he’s working on remedying that (“The United SMP concept will be changed so that it’s again different enough from the QSMP to not compete with it”). It’s ridiculous to act like USMP is bad because it’s dream or QSMP is bad because it’s quackity - these are incredibly impressive advancements in gaming and they will open young audiences up to a multitude of new cultures and experiences. I don’t think that any one person is at fault except those who are engaging in harassment and doxxing and even threats of physical harm but I wish there would be any form of acknowledgment by quackity as I’ve witnessed other creators scold their fans and have drama die down as a result of that, the example that comes to mind is wilbur soot. apologies for the tangent at the end

[@Psycchan]

i love how quackity's just chilling while dream's making a huge shitstorm out of nothing lmao perfectly in character of both of them

[@juneshao2141]

hm yea dream is p dramatic sometimes (the whole cheating thing hh) but also i understand the annoyance w the death threats at the very least

[@x_rouxi_ian_x4804]

Dream kept it private just like quackity did. He speak up because of the amount of threats and doxxing his family is receiving. With quackity showing no interest in speaking up to his own fans doxxing dream, dream has to make the announcement on his own. As far as ive known dream, no matter the circumstances he always jokes about every single drama there is, even the cheating speedrun one. I saw not even one joke in that post of his, im guessing that the fans are getting too hostile for his liking. Both smp can co exist and at the end of the day both are different so i dont get the drama AT ALL.

[@Julio-Ces4r]

​@@x_rouxi_ian_x4804for both co exist, both need to exist...

[@suvanii..]

@@x_rouxi_ian_x4804didnt he hire someone to defend him

[@tobbias28]

I don’t watch Dream or Quackity anymore so I don’t care about how they feel but I will say that having a bilingual/multilingual server makes so much more sense coming from Quackity. Not that Dream can’t do it bc he doesn’t speak other languages but Quackity literally makes bilingual content & has had the issue of translating. As a person who speaks both English & Spanish, I’d much rather support the creator whose actually bilingual & has experienced the hardships of not being able to communicate with someone bc of a language barrier.

[@Cally_bbykid]

If you are still into minecraft tho I would still recommend qsmp, you can choose from many ccs pov. It's honestly really sweet, everyone is trying hard to communicate and being supportive of each other :D

[@Zusuk1i]

Honestly id prefer if dream kept on with his project cuz unlike quackity dream actually was planning to invite creators that arent ONLY IN AMERICA, cuz all quackity invited are ppl from south and north America which sucks for people who arent even from there feeling left out and the only language that arent American is French which is only one. Where dream actually had plan to like invite so many countries from the world in his video.

[@miaraujo21]

how do you feel now... so loud and wrong ​@@Zusuk1i

[@Zusuk1i]

@@miaraujo21 There was already a korea person in the server to begin with, Tina. So like theres literally nothing new at all??? Maybe invite like thai, chinese or like filipino creators?? Something the media arent used to seeing. We all see japanese creators alot tbh for vtubers and we have tina as the korean. I want something thats underground and overshadowed by others

[@doeydoo109]

​@@Zusuk1ibro tina barely speaks korean tho yes, shes a korean american but english is her first language at this point, tina doesnt eben speak korean in the smp as well and im sure quackity is trying his best to find more streamers

[@fluffypuncakes3464]

You know Mogul Mail boutta pop off when he's got 200 tabs open for us.

[@MeanPeePee]

199 of them are just dream's bible long tweet about the drama

[@gabrielpedrosadealbuquerqu3643]

N🧊

[@YourLocalNobody420]

JESUS CHRIST

[@zSphericle]

especially when they’re ALL twitter

[@ariici]

He actually has 209.7 tabs open. Don’t ask about the .7

[@mr_blank4413]

Markplier said it best. “I don’t care what peoples misconceptions of me are because they don’t know me, and they never will.”. Viewers nowadays are far to interested in creators personal lives, when that’s almost never the point of their content. It’s gone from watching a KZbind through the metaphorical window to smashing through the window and making constant eye contact with the creator when their 2 ft away from them.

[@patrickselca9456]

Ikr people nowadays treat youtubers and streamers like actors used to be and maybe still are, but idk.

[@thecipher8495]

@@patrickselca9456 trust me, it's still happening but not as often as back in the day, same thing is also happening with content creators. When your main clients are viewers, it tends to have that effect.

[@xerilaun]

good quote :)

[@Puggylord316]

valid, u got a fav mcdonalds sauce?

[@joenoodle6914]

learn to spel

[@tealoser6654]

The fact that Dream said more about this imaginary drama than his Gr00ming allegations just speaks volumes to me.

[@ShadowRLX]

It's not imaginary. And, what more is he supposed to say about the allegations? He already addressed it in a twitlonger and said what he needed to say, and pursued legal action. If you somehow don't know how court works, you're not supposed to speak about the case publicly until it's over. So like.. he kinda can't speak on it more for a while.

[@felis00]

​@@ShadowRLX it is imaginary tho. this was not a drama- dream obviously just wanted to scream at somebody for no reason lol

[@ShadowRLX]

@@felis00 Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. It was a big drama between the communities and against Dream before he even posted that twitter essay.

[@ShadowRLX]

@@felis00 Also he's not "screaming" at Quackity nor was it for "no reason" wtf are you on about lmao?

[@felis00]

​@@ShadowRLX i didn't LITERALLY mean "screaming" dude. Lmao. and it _was_ for no reason. dream was the ONLY person to ever consider something like this a drama, and quackity did nothing to warrant any of this. this is simply dream begging for more attention and controversy like the manchild he is and it was smart of quackity to ignore it. it isn't drama unless you consider one singular grown man having a public meltdown over a minecraft mod to be drama

[@sniclops15]

Dream: "I don't want drama." Also Dream: *Rewrites the entire declaration of independence, complete with end-user license agreements and privacy policies* Quackity: "Hey, that's cool and all, but know what's even cooler? Not giving a mierda."

[@x_rouxi_ian_x4804]

Most gist, he doesnt find the drama worth it but has to speak up to give a message to the people whos doxxing him to leave him and his family the fuck alone because both smp can co exist

[@james1311na]

@@x_rouxi_ian_x4804😭 wtf are you talking about he clearly cares 2 sentences wouldve done the same thing and not bring drama

[@x_rouxi_ian_x4804]

@@james1311na not all people are the same though. I agree, 2 sentence wouldve done it but then again you cant deny there would be some people who would demand a much longer explanation. Just goes to show whatever you say people would always want more, honestly wouldve done the same and give it all in one file instead of explaining and answering every single question people have to throw. This way the answers all there but people saw it as him causing drama when they know for themselves they would ask those questions if he didnt told them.

[@bananadog2906]

I love how lud's so proud of doing his 10k steps he's telling everyone about it in any context he can

[@Misdrex]

Hey man I tracked my steps when I use to play pokemon go and 10k takes a bit of time I don't blame him for being proud xD

[@stuntfritz471]

Fyi 10k was just marketing and has no significant benefit over 7k. Source paper: "Association of Daily Step Count and Step Intensity With Mortality Among US Adults"

[@funky555]

@@stuntfritz471 i love how i can tell by literally just by the title of that paper hat you poortly misunderstood the context of the paper/ the paper has been debunked.

[@isaacphillips2002]

20k gang

[@Lucaz99]

Also, I love how Ludwig randomly went: “I can tell where Brazil is on a map” like he saw the Brazil flag and instantly thought of Geoguesser and/or those videos of people asking Americans about geography lmao

[@PlasticBunnyy]

The thing is that quackity literally said that there will be more languages in the near future, just that he wanted to start with the two languages he knew, which I think was the best choice because it starts with a small group and then expands and won’t get overwhelming. And I think ludwig shouldn’t have said that quackity is doing the same languages as dreams because that’s not true, quackity is doing more then 6 while dream is only doing 6 languages.

[@Tay10rd]

duuuudeeee that clip is exactly what I needed

[@jakejake8985]

It’s cool like MCU teaser first get both English and Spanish community together to see each other streamer them slowly being in Brazil and have the English see the Brazil streamers as Brazil go watch Spanish and English streamer to gain a bit more people to follow them then wait 2-3 month to bring in possibly Korea,Africa,French streamer for a big event like qsmp has a story and event happening so quackery has to find a time to bring them to be part of the story

[@where_did_kirby_go]

he’s just added portuguese because he’s learning it! it’s about how he and others can communicate not how many there can be

[@lewc7389]

​@@where_did_kirby_go wait is he actually learning Portuguese? If so that's awesome! I imagine how much more funny he could be with access to another language

[@where_did_kirby_go]

@@lewc7389 mhm! he’s currently on duolingo learning it

[@Zaxster_-3-]

I love that Quackity took a note out of Schlatt's book in just simply not addressing any drama as it only drags you further down the trash pile

[@mely1022]

Im Mexican and im currently very into QSMP, even though i have never watched anything Minecraft related before in my life. The reason I think something like the QSMP works really well with Quackity is like he is able to genuinely connect with his audiences despite the language barriers, he has always expressed interest to uniting his communities and you can genuinely see his excitement with this new project. I started watching the QSMP mainly because tons of my favorite spanish speaking content creators were going to be part of it but I started quickly watching the english speaking streamers too, because everyone is so willing to TRY to communicate with us. I think that’s what makes me happy. Even if people dont know the language they try to communicate to their audiences. I dont like Dream and how he is dealing his tantrum. Quackity is doing his own thing and at this point is obvious he doesn’t want to be associated with Dream.

[@belphegutz_]

Yeah that's the thing - if you just take away the servers general similarity in ideas and anything else that makes them similar, Quackity's feels like more of a passion-filled project, coming from his own experience of being bilingual and trying to connect his communities, while Dream's feels like its kinda just... there lol (not taking away from him since he probably did coincidentally have the same idea, but Mr. Q feels like he executes it better)

[@louzo5175]

valid

[@racool911]

I think Dream handled it pretty well, as he decided on changing up his idea so it didn't compete with QSMP, even with 0 communication with Quackity.

[@cristal3614]

Yeah I was wondering how dream, who I don’t remember ever taking much interest in other language communities, would want to create a multilingual server

[@lia701]

​​​@@cristal3614 Right? And I find it funny how Quackity has already mentioned working on this project for over a year. While Dream, who has never shown any interest in something like this, magically posted a banner on Twitter (that can be done in less than an hour) declaring itself "the first multiplayer server in the world". Of course, coincidences can happen, but that's so weird, especially the way he reacted by posting a ten-page essay justifying himself to literally no one

[@Forevertowander]

“The only difference between QSMP and USMP are the amount of languages” uh what about the fact that USMP doesn’t exist yet

[@TVtheTV]

Just facts here folks

[@spanoguy2283]

which technically makes qsmp the first multilingual smp

[@lobertrox72]

doesn't exist because dream changed his vision for the server so it got delayed? xD

[@loveeclairee]

@Tanmei there is no proof about this, is there?

[@ExtremeMidnaFan12272]

@@loveeclairee wilbur said onstream aswell, q had been planning this since their wine-streams together

[@zanharris8697]

The biggest difference is that one server is private, modded, and has it's own incomplete curated story and the other server is public, vanilla, and doesn't have a predetermined line of events.

[@patriciodoria100]

The biggest difference is that one actually tangibly exists and the other one doesn't.

[@mendo1738]

@@patriciodoria100 i also doubt dream would have gotten enjoyable people on, like sure the content creators he would have gotten are probably cool but at the very least with the qsmp is that quackity actually knows the people he invited like they are all people he actively talks to some more than others for sure but still. and i doubt this means anything to you since im assuming youre primarily english speaking but quackity was able to get vegetta777 on to his server hes essentially like a captiansparklez esque figure in the spanish community who is highly regarded by all and also doesnt really join things that he himself isnt running so him trusting in quackity to this extent is something worth mentioning

[@zanharris8697]

@@patriciodoria100 That's a fair point.

[@DaviNoob11]

E não tem o terror do server, vulgo OS BRASILEIROS

[@carlwheezer1640]

@@mendo1738 He got Vegetta777 to join? Damn.

[@ando5563]

I find this so hilarious. Dream turned it into a drama by addressing it the way he did. It could have just been left alone and most people wouldn't have cared because honestly the amount of people who actually use Twitter on a regular basis is tiny compared to the people who use KZbin

[@ShadowRLX]

He didn't "turn it into" a drama, it was already a drama that was going on between communities, and probably in Quackity's head too.

[@pigeontoes5421]

@@ShadowRLX ignoring dumb bs like that makes it go away faster lol

[@ShadowRLX]

@@pigeontoes5421 Yeah I don't disagree, but if this were any other creator this probably wouldn't have escalated the way it did.

[@johnpoe3012]

@@ShadowRLX yeah sure it was already a thing but he also wouldn’t shut up about it. and the fact that he spoke WAY more about this than his grooming allegations speaks volumes to me.

[@ShadowRLX]

@@johnpoe3012 He did stop though. He hadn't said anything for like 2 weeks until someone decided to pay him a visit irl. + There shouldn't be a reason this is "speaking volumes" to you lol, because there was simply more to say here, especially since the grooming allegations situation was taken to court by both sides.

[@lellolemon4367]

Okay, I’m a little late to all this, but I wanted to add a bit more information that wasn’t in the video. 1. Qsmp was always supposed to be multilingual, it just started with Spanish and English so that no one was too overwhelmed with mass amounts of people right off the bat. As of writing this comment, Portuguese and French speaking creators have joined the server. 2. Quackity’s smp actually has story. The bilingual concept (and inclusion of content creators I already enjoyed) are what initially drew me to the server but the personality and plot is what kept me watching. 3. It’s clear that Quackity is very passionate about his project, putting in a lot of effort to keep people invested. He’s spoken about wanting to break down language barriers for a long time and it’s really cool seeing it happen real time, Even before he added the translator, everyone was making an effort to communicate, live translation just being a tool to make it a bit easier "If people want to communicate they will."

[@parzingtheasian]

it's a good thing that ludwig's fanbase isn't parasocial. my good friend ludwig told me it wasn't and i believe him edit: some of you nonbelievers think im lying well i know my good friend ludwig would confirm that im not lying when he answers my dms

[@trekkie9942]

lmao

[@treysexy]

I got some news for you man…😢

[@trekkie9942]

@@treysexy let him live the dream (pun intended)

[@treysexy]

@@trekkie9942 you right as long as he ain’t hurt nobody I think he’s fine

[@squirrel8397]

can we please stop bringing up this Ludwig guy on Mogul Mail’s videos? it’s weird to bring up someone who has no relevance to the video, my friend Mogul Mail said he doesn’t like it

[@KevinLopez-fm9kz]

Love that dream is basically talking to himself while quackidy is just chilling

[@Moistfireballs]

ngl tho, its pretty unprofessional. Dream pretty much said he wanted to clear things up early. Just a lot of unneccesary drama that could have been avoided with a phone call or some texts. Quackity's continued lack of a response does further cemment the unprofessionalism in my mind especially since there doesn't 'seem to be' a good reason for ignoring Dream. That being said, I'm by no means a Dream fan, just the two cents from someone who would otherwise not give two shits.

[@doglover938]

I wish he would at least say SOMETHING.

[@yuoi7955]

@@Moistfireballs I agree, it’s very unprofessional

[@trevolgamer]

@@Moistfireballs Unprofessional for what reason? Quackity has quite literally done nothing to fuel this unnecessary "drama". It exists solely because Dream has been sustaining it week after week after week, to the point that he even childishly claimed they would have a kickboxing match or some other nonsense. It's not Quackity's job to clean Dream's mess. If he doesn't want to talk about some nonsensical drama, you cannot force him.

[@stellaandslayyy4229]

literally!!! Quackity refuses to be apart of any drama and Dream clearly didn’t get the hint. You can’t force people to talk to you, no one is entitled to the undivided attention of others. That’s not unprofessional at all, and Dream isn’t the one paying his bills so why would Q jump at his call. What’s unprofessional is publicly blasting him in a dang thesis because he decided he didn’t want to speak to him.

[@pey5571]

Dream needs to get a PR team or something because holy shit is he the most self-destructive person ever when it comes to responding to drama. Like I get that it feels bad to have a friend ignore your attempts to reach out, but that is a sign that you're not as close to that person as you think you are and that you should take the hint and back off. The fact that he just kept sending Quackity more and more messages and even went to Quackity's friends to try and force him to respond when he clearly didn't want to is insane. And then completely airing out this private situation on Twitter??? Like holy shit, any drama about this situation would've died out if he hadn't poured gasoline on it. Not to mention how unhealthy it is to go full nuclear when someone doesn't want to talk to you.

[@polk-adragon6748]

Preach. I like Dream's content and don't think he's a genuinely evil person or anything but Jesus Christ does he somehow make things go from 0-100 in milliseconds.

[@x_rouxi_ian_x4804]

@@polk-adragon6748 its already at a 100 when the doxxing started. I doubt he would give a fuck like quackity if its all just pointless drama again. But the doxxing and threats cant be ignored, now that he showed his face it can be easier to find where tf he lives. He kept it silent for weeks until it possibly got worst to the point he has to tell the people to leave him and his family alone himself.

[@MaoMaster69]

A PR team telling you to stay quiet doesn't always stop an influencer from busting out a ukelele. I think he'd just embarass himself more if he kept having his laundry-airing meltdowns despite the professional advice of a PR team.

[@applesugarlol]

1. This could've been handled privately 2. The QSMP announcement trailer was shown before/ around March 22nd, and Dream's announcement poster was shown April 2nd Something seems wrong, but that could just be me🤔

[@applesugarlol]

Also the USMP doesn't even exist yet And the QSMP has a cool story-line imo

[@joseanlopez5337]

1. yes and 2. imo the situation is really weird like yea the anounce was a month before but we cant be sure where exactly they get the idea , i mean yea the dates mean that quackity was first to do it but we cant know if dream took it from there or just an idea both had a long time and without talking they wanted to do it. At the end i think we just need to not bother and enjoy the series

[@applesugarlol]

@@joseanlopez5337 Yeah We'll just see how this is gonna play out. Hopefully the "drama" just dies out in a few days, since Quacity isn't responding at all lol

[@ShadowRLX]

Dream posted proof that he had been working on the USMP before the QSMP was announced. And also, when the QSMP was announced, he made a tweet basically saying "Ooh Quackity's smp looks cool, look forward to it. Btw I'm making something similar, just letting you guys know so people don't think there was any copying." So yeah, neither of them copied the other, they just happened to have a very similar idea that was getting announced at similar times under unfortunate circumstances.

[@louzo5175]

​@@ShadowRLX but also heres uno reverse card, theres proof that quakity was faster then him for 3 YEARS with tangeble proof

[@asaknight321]

Dream: "I dont want this drama" then proceeds to writes 10 page essay on drama and random nonsense Meanwhile Quackity: you wanna see me make this cocktail?

[@lilygreene4227]

Bro dream was getting doxxed and his own friend wasn’t helping him out, obviously he has to address it

[@donneto3413]

@@lilygreene4227 Yeah bro, and we know Quackity works as the cyberpolice man with telepathic powers capable of controlling people at will. We all know Dream can keep his fans quiet with just a word right haha, yeah!

[@razatlab2804]

@@donneto3413 it shouldnt be this funny imagining bald quackity on a wheelchair but it is

[@pyro1830]

​@@razatlab2804 it's funny cuz dream is a pathetic excuse of a man who's getting doxxed after having doxxed people in the past it's funny cuz it's called karma

[@riley2294]

​@@lilygreene4227 i thought he said being doxxed wasn't a big deal

[@maximumcool25]

I love when *mogulmail says "minecrafters" like it's some other species

[@mikumin727]

bc it is

[@hazelnut1294]

They are

[@BryanZam9]

I think you mean "minecwafters"

[@random.1445]

whos ludwig

[@ipsonmin]

@@BryanZam9 why did I pronounce this as myneck wafters

[@OrlaithSleepy]

In the original USMP video, it seemed extremely rushed imo. It looked like it was thrown together in about a month MAX. Quackity has been talking about QSMP for ages (about a year ago) and the amount of work and effort in not only the actual SMP but the trailers and events as well. Quackity doesn't care about drama that he is in, but Dream always cares too much. Also, the fact that Dream says he announced USMP before QSMP is just a blatant lie. Like I said, QSMP has been talked about by Quackity for at least a year, yet Dream has never mentioned USMP but writes entire essays about this "drama" that doesn't even exist

[@_wetmath_]

dream: i don't want any drama also dream: writes a thesis on why it's not a drama

[@firstnamelastname9237]

I mean, a lot of thesis's are really not that dramatic. Some people just talk a lot. People keep bringing up length, but how dramatic do you actually find thesis's? Cause most I've read really aren't that dramatic. Let alone the kind of drama that's being referred to here.

[@abhishekharge]

@@firstnamelastname9237 when your fanbase is protective, you do not tell them the person you're supposedly involved in a drama with is ignoring you. Or how you had the idea first.

[@x_rouxi_ian_x4804]

@@abhishekharge with threats involving his family, i think he got a little desperate. As it said, hes been keeping silent like quackity and tried to sort it out behind the scene. The doxxing probably got too close for comfort since police are getting involved. I doubt he would say anything if not for the doxxing..

[@baolocle204]

MogulCritikal and Moist Mail are basically my only sources for internet drama and I love it

[@Fostero7]

Same tho lol

[@Oliver62626]

Basically me

[@KalTheAngryGorilla]

You have good taste brother!

[@ryderls2729]

Glad we have them now and not DramaAlert it Scarce with their 15 minute of bullshit

[@Steerable6827]

Mutahar

[@trishial8212]

I can't lie to you, Dream seems to escalate things way too fast whenever internet drama happens Dude is the living embodiment of "I don't want any drama, but-"

[@sofia-nf2ff]

He didn't escalate anything?? He was the only one trying to diffuse the situation at first but then he saw how people were getting doxxed and threatened left and right and his own family was put in danger, of course he said something. If you read what he posted he didn't even attack anyone, just tried to explain everything that is happening.

[@trishial8212]

@sofia I don't care about attacking anyone, I mean he escalated by writing an entire essay on the subject. No matter what stance you have, that wall of text is absolutely unnecessary imo. A simple explanation would have done the exact same thing, but by banging out that essay, Dream brought even more unnecessary attention to the issue.

[@blockylaughing]

"i dont condone doxxing, but-"

[@sofia-nf2ff]

@@trishial8212 honestly I just think he was feeling anxious because his friend was ignoring him about a petty miscommunication and he didn’t know what to do with everything that was escalating so much (before he posted that thread everything was still going worse and worse) I think people sometimes forget content creators are human too. People didn’t even read what he had to say and they were already mocking him for being “too dramatic” about some “Minecraft drama”. This is not just Minecraft drama, he had to contact the FBI because his safety was put at risk. Idk, I don’t blame him for trying to explain everything that was happening so at least people would stop blaming him for “copying” Quackity’s idea when that’s not even what happened.

[@sofia-nf2ff]

Of course that last part didn’t work because people just keep blaming him for “creating drama” instead of putting themselves in his skin for a moment. I’m just saying, if this wasn’t Dream, people would react way differently (because it has already happened).

[@cononodapotato6920]

it's now been a few months since this drama happened, and given that i'm still hearing about stuff from QSMP today while i've almost never heard of the United SMP kinda tells who ended up winning here.

[@user-wj6zd1vi9t]

Yeah cause the parasocial ass fans from the MC community ruined it. I could’ve watched two but the Stan’s ruin everything.

[@user-wj6zd1vi9t]

Yeah cause the parasocial ass fans from the MC community ruined it. I could’ve watched two but the Stan’s ruin everything. Dude probably didn’t want to get death threats and his family put in danger more.

[@ghostriposte6738]

Dream when grooming allegations: "I love you guys :)" on an alt Dream when his friend has the same idea for a Minecraft server: *8 full page tweets*

[@Harleywastakenwastaken]

Came here one final time to spread the word. Dream has been proven innocent and Amanda the actual groomer. If you actually care about victims you better spread mascara's story as much as you spread Amanda's! Amanda is trying to silence her. When Mascara releases the master doc you better spread it.

[@nightowl548]

@@Harleywastakenwastaken*sigh* Evidence, the Dream Stan. Where is it.

[@Harleywastakenwastaken]

@@nightowl548 heavy trigger warning!

[@Harleywastakenwastaken]

@@nightowl548 comment keeps getting deleted I think. Do your research. You'll find it

[@nightowl548]

@@Harleywastakenwastaken ‘Do your research’, at least show me the way to where this supposed evidence is, could you?

[@xaf0163]

The thing is that Quackity has always been a professional shithouser. He is a memelord. If you followed him before his minecraft stint, he regularly used his viewership to stir up shit on various platforms through “raiding”. (Icl, pretty entertaining shit, especially when the administrators don’t know what to do). The fact it took him THIS long to get into any major controversies with other creators is shocking to me. He doesn’t care, and he never has cared, and he never will care what somebody thinks about him online. I actually quite like Quackity for this very reason

[@StarryInkArt]

Exactly.

[@llamaniaman4002]

My guess is Dream was being more pissy and bitchy in private than he let on in the twitter essay he posted. Now he's scared because Quackity's ghosting him

[@shanefking898]

dude singlehandedly got roblox to remove the forums

[@nell1251]

Man yeah, so many people not being aware of Quackity's good old golden days has me baffled. All the Habbo hotel raids, club penguin shenanigans, and the later hilarious Discord/Minecraft got talent stuff before he transitioned into this was awesome. Though I am not really interested in his recent Minecraft stuff, he thoroughly entertained me for many of my teen years.

[@cziferr]

Quackity is prob the reason the Roblox forums were closed lol

[@catastrophicChaos4]

idk if it matters, but there's a tiny bit more context: about a month or two before either server launched, both Quackity and Dream along with their friends participated in the Squidcraft event which was Spanish-hosted but open to English-speaking creators. The event was super fun and most creators involved decided they wanted to do more with other language communities. This is probably where Dream got the idea for USMP (Quackity was working on QSMP on the DL before this)

[@julyemblen1794]

Yeah, if I'm not mistaken Quackity had the project in the works for over a year, maybe 2.

[@catastrophicChaos4]

@@julyemblen1794 I'm not sure exactly what the timeline was, but he didnt start teasing his "secret project" until early this year or maybe in December 2022. ofc that doesn't mean it wasn't in the works, but he likely wasn't in full planning mode for QSMP until after his last DSMP stream (Sept. 2022), which was very complex and required a lot of editing, pre-recording, etc. (sorry to be this in-depth i just have a knack for remembering dates lol)

[@peaches5682]

​@@catastrophicChaos4 well yeah he didn't start ACTIVELY working on it until his last dsmp stream but he did have it planned for a long time

[@catastrophicChaos4]

@@peaches5682 yea, that's probably true

[@claudiaxoxo283]

i feel like even though quackity was working on it for longer doesnt really matter because both of them didnt say anything to anyone about it anyway yk? so no matter when they started, they both came across the idea at some point and did it. ans as ludwig says, doesnt matter anyway since they will end up being 2 diff things later :)

[@Wallflower905]

Dream: creating drama, freaking out, writing essays n literal dissertations on this issue, wrote more about this than him being accused of him being a nonce.. Quackity: ok.. *making cocktails* Idfk I don’t watch the dream smp I don’t have Twitter sooo...

[@Harleywastakenwastaken]

Came here one final time to spread the word. Dream has been proven innocent and Amanda the actual groomer. If you actually care about victims you better spread mascara's story as much as you spread Amanda's! Amanda is trying to silence her. When Mascara releases the master doc you better spread it.

[@xabbitz6148]

“So like I said, it’s really not worth all the drama.” He says after he writes a new section of the Bible while Quackity literally doesn’t give a shit

[@user-zd1lg2mh1v]

Hes so desperate for the attention and expecting to those ppl who stans quackity will going to unstan him 😂

[@ShadowRLX]

Why does it matter that he wrote a 3 minute read lmfao? The whole point of that writing was to clear the air and lower the drama.

[@penguinexpert6581]

@@ShadowRLX It’s just people having lower attention span

[@nrem7611]

The Minecraft Testament

[@xabbitz6148]

@@ShadowRLX no one even knew that there was drama till Dream started crying 💀

[@helloxmiles]

i wish people would realize that it's literally minecraft. the amount of doxxing and harassment I've seen from both sides is ridiculous. like if it is this upsetting to you please go outside

[@god_2.0_the_better_version]

LITERALLY. The "please go outside" thing isn't even an insult anymore, it would legitimately be a million times more healthy and productive than whatever the fuck this is. Everybody and their cheeto dust fingers has been sitting in their closets for like 8 months arguing with random shit online, and it is not healthy!! People ACTUALLY need to go outside, the internet is becoming more sad and toxic with each and every day because people don't know when to stop.

[@zero_s]

everytime I see something that somehow make me offended I just close my phone lol but these nerds doxx people instead

[@DoomBurger.]

@@zero_s i feel like i wanna learn to dox so i can dox the doxxers

[@yuukisan123]

Literallyyyyy

[@hydeme]

​@@god_2.0_the_better_version I hate to break it to you but the Internet was always toxic it's just that the internet is getting more and more open and more well known to the whole world

[@felixsfriendthatgavehimthe2108]

Idk, but the white American man who only speaks one language and has nothing prepared looks pretty phony compared to the Mexican bilingual man with a server that’s been ongoing for a month, which has a clear storyline planned and several mechanics that could take ages to refine. Maybe that’s just me though.

[@KwikBR]

i disagree. it makes more sense that somebody who can only speak one language to unite them all, because they cant collab with others rather then someone just making an smp

[@felixsfriendthatgavehimthe2108]

@@KwikBR ? That’s not what I’m saying. Has dream even made the server that he supposedly was already planning? No. Qsmp has been up for a while now. And there are many mechanics that are clearly not a last minute thing.

[@KwikBR]

@@felixsfriendthatgavehimthe2108 dream custom coded the mod for it

[@felixsfriendthatgavehimthe2108]

@@KwikBR yes, and so has quackity. And aside from that, dream has nothing to show for it.

[@milana69420]

dream had a 1 page response to gr00ming allegations but 4 to minecraft drama, says a lot

[@cupidknives]

litreally, and sometimes he avoids it.

[@Harleywastakenwastaken]

Came here one final time to spread the word. Dream has been proven innocent and Amanda the actual groomer. If you actually care about victims you better spread mascara's story as much as you spread Amanda's! Amanda is trying to silence her. When Mascara releases the master doc you better spread it.

[@z_.5557]

​@@Harleywastakenwastaken Copy pasting this shit isn't gonna undo him being a groomer

[@Harleywastakenwastaken]

@@z_.5557 so you don't support victims. Got it. You just hate Dream. You're supporting an actual groomer just because you can't handle that Dream isn't one. Get actual help.

[@maxc.1198]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Harleywastakenwastaken your username screams dream obsession. You are defending dream (an actual groomer) because you can’t handle your fav is indeed one. Get a grip

[@axis1198]

I recall Quackity already mentioning this idea since 2022 because he has been doing pure Spanish streams with his Spanish-speaking friends. As for Dream... no idea when and why he curated the idea as well.

[@donneto3413]

Going by his own words, Dream "came up" with the idea at the end of the Squidcraft 2 event that was orginized by the Spanish speaking community in which he was invited. The ending of the event happened in the first days of March, 2023, so a little over a month.

[@Pityso]

@@donneto3413 dream a big liar i cant trust whatever he says g

[@hallucy2215]

then why quqikity now changed his bilingual language to multi language? U confirmed its bilingual, he copied dream

[@thepointynifu8792]

@@hallucy2215 bro what the mods they made for the server were developed WAYY before dream’s announcement, plus the fact that the full animation was posted just a day after dream’s announcement and it’s impossible for that to have been made in just a few hours.

[@hallucy2215]

@@thepointynifu8792 truth is hes so narcissistic that he knows spanish, he suddenly speaks spanish out of no where just to flex and now even made an entire server for it, and now he tryna copy someone else idea

[@PlutoIsntReal_]

Lets never forget that the closest thing Quackity did to a response was go Live a few days later, talk about some QSMP updates, and casually drop in the conversation about the translator "If people want to communicate they will." Chad Behavior.

[@G.D.G.]

Hes just feeling a bit silly

[@dumbanimenerd4169]

So Chad behavior is when manufacturing drama and ghosting the person your causing harassment toward cuz why not.

[@AlienTimeBoyz]

@@dumbanimenerd4169 you know that quackity is being harassed by dream stans too right? Also quackity has no reason to answer dream lmao, dream is just being a piss baby right now

[@PlutoIsntReal_]

@@dumbanimenerd4169 Chad behavior is ignoring the person having a temper tantrum online in attempt to pressure you to talk to them 🥰

[@dumbanimenerd4169]

@@PlutoIsntReal_ But thats not whats going on here... Its someone trying to get in contact to stop harassment thats being generated by them not communicating... I get you're a 5 year old and all and don't understand this but ignoring situations like this tends to make it worse.

[@evad4778]

Important things to note! - Quackity first mentioned his idea to Wilbur in Dec 2021 - Dream thought of his idea after squidcraft which is a Spanish/English Minecraft event that happened in Feb? 2023 - Quackity has been working on QSMP for well over 6 months - Dream has only posted 1 or 2 things about his server and we don't know how much has actually happened as it doesn’t exist yet - Dream has other allegations that may have led Quackity to stop talking to him - There is no proof that it was Quackity stans who targeted Dream, his tweet sounds manipulative and like it is inciting drama - By posting that tweet, he just brought up more hate between the communities, it was immature - Dream continues to post about Quackity on twitter and snapchat even using songs Q has sung in the background all while he is being ignored

[@KwikBR]

dream mentioned the idea years ago in like 2020 or 2019, well atleast the translation mod.

[@evad4778]

@@KwikBR “and after squidgame we all agreed that it would be awesome to have it be creators from around the world. So I instantly started working on the translation mod” directly from dreams tweet. squidcraft happened around Feb 28th to Mar 5th 2023

[@ShadowRLX]

Few inconsistencies with this: -Quackity was still talking to Dream after the allegations. Including in squid craft. -It is very likely that it was a Quackity stan, and I mean very very VERY likely. -It wasn't immature at all? I am quite inclined to believe someone actually showed up at his house, which was why he posted that. And how in the world was he supposed to predict people would completely misconstrue his words and increase their level of hatred and drama? -That last point literally just isn't true lol.

[@evad4778]

@@ShadowRLX long response because you are wrong - i do not want to get parasocial but quackity has said several things before and during squidcraft that has led many people to believe his friendship with the dteam was a bit shaky anyway - dream was quick to blame quackity for people harassing his family with no proof. He has absolutely no proof. He threw that in with no reason to blame quackitys fans, conveniently ignoring the fact that he’s massively hated on the internet for his past bigotry and his current grooming allegations. - dream posting that tweet was definitely immature and something that should have been handled privately. He knows what power he has with his fanbase and he has done it before, he has even been messaged by other content creators about how he should be careful so he absolutely knew it would happen, it sounds very manipulative and is 100% the reason more hate has come out since then. I barely saw anything before that tweet and after it got way out of hand. it was unnecessary to bring up quackity or at least his fans when addressing the irl threats he received. - Dream has literally posted videos on snapchat with him lip syncing to songs (for example are we still friends by Tyler, the Creator) whilst pretending to cry. i dont know how you can ignore this, its weird. - Another point to make, he hasnt even addressed the grooming allegations other than a ‘fuck you i didn’t do it’ but god forbid one of his friends doesn’t want to talk to him for any number of reasons so he wrote a 1.7k word essay on it. Dream cant just take the hint that his relavancy and career are dying and one of his former friends is doing so much better than him so he has to start drama to stay afloat. He has to make jokes about boxing matches, crying to sad songs and overall cant get quackitys name out his mouth while quackity himself isn’t responding to him. Sounds a bit obsessive to me

[@ShadowRLX]

​@@evad4778 *sigh* No, I'm not wrong. -Perhaps it was shaky but this SMP stuff still seems to be the main catalyst. -He never blamed Quackity. Literally never once in the essay. Are you guys just twisting his words on purpose or..??? Also I'm curious, do you yourself think he's a racist? Also, WE may not know for certain but maybe he does. What if the individual was wearing Quackity merch or something that literally gave it away? But if we have to assume and pinpoint it, the signs point to it being a Quackity stan. The "past hate" argument has never made sense, because why would they dox him now and not before? You guys always mention the grooming allegations but those have been here since October, and no doxxing has happened as far as we know, but suddenly when this huge SMP drama comes up he gets doxxed. Pretty convenient timing. Also, around a week ago there was a Twitter space with 1k-2k people listening where one of the speakers had doxxed him and was spelling his address out letter by letter for everyone to hear. Do what you will with that information. -How do you people keep expecting him to "handle it privately" when, not only is this situation far bigger than just him and Quackity messaging each other, but he's also the only one that wants to handle anything?? It's hard when Quackity is straight up ghosting him. And let's cut the "powerful fanbase" argument because that shit is getting less valid with more time and is especially invalid in this particular situation. This is nothing like the situations from previous years. You said it yourself, Dream's relevancy has been decreasing. And unlike prior people, Quackity is no nobody or small creator, in fact Quackity has been even bigger and more favored on Twitter recently. He's had even more people supporting him than Dream. So in this situation, Quackity is actually the one with the more powerful fanbase. Maybe you didn't personally see much, and that's cause you didn't go digging in depth and/or you stan neither of the 2 and are not that involved in the communities, but trust me there was def a lot of nasty shit being said. And apparently, doxxing as well. I've seen a few examples but I'm sure there's been more I haven't seen. And, if it really was a Quackity stan that showed up to his house and he has some way of knowing for certain, then it definitely wasn't "unnecessary." -Not really what you said in your original comment. That's just one example, and he hasn't done anything on Twitter. And that example is.. kinda weird? Is that not a very popular song that was on the radio while he was driving? I don't think there's anything too deep here tbh. -None of this is correct either. He addressed it in a Twitlonger, not just the 2 tweets that were floating around. He and Amanda have both taken it to court as well, and if you somehow don't know how courts work, they're not supposed to say anything about the case until it's over, so I don't see why, nor do I agree that y'all are constantly demanding him to address it further this early on. It's always funny to see you guys make these relevancy accusations towards Dream and then just be way off. You genuinely think he cares THAT much about staying relevant and being the center of attention? (He's even specifically said somewhere last year that he doesn't like being in the center of drama for the 100th time) Fyi, no, no he doesn't, and he especially has never needed to "start drama to stay afloat" (also he didn't start this drama, think really hard as to who did). My man went from uploading weekly, to 3 or 4 months in between uploads, literally the worst upload schedule from a big creator I've ever seen lmao. He could've stayed quite relevant if he kept actually working on content, uploading, streaming, etc; and KZbin popularity is 100x more valuable and profitable than Twitter drama clout. He absolutely knows this too. Instead, what did he do? Nothing content related. And just enjoyed his time with his friends going outside. Even if his career completely died tomorrow, he's still won. He's already made millions from simply playing his favorite game and secured his place in Minecraft and Internet history. Even now, when he's no longer doing manhunt, and time has passed since his peak, he still gets millions of views per video, even on the non-minecraft video he posted, which is actually pretty good. So yeah, he doesn't care nearly as much as you think lol.

[@reneodink2280]

Haven't followed dream or the minecraft community and their shenanigans for more than a year now good to see that dream is still writing twitter essays and immediately folds when confronted with *drama*

[@Master_the_Game]

how dream has survived in this space for so long the way he responds to anything whatsoever is pretty extraordinary lmao

[@racool911]

I guess it actually gives a boost to his relevancy.

[@FlatAssTruther]

The only reason he has survived situations where he responded completely inappropriately is because his fanbase are the most rabid, obsessive freaks on the planet. They are constantly stuck between villiafying every tiny action he does or treating him like the literal second coming of Christ who has never made a mistake in his life.

[@bencurtis8838]

@@FlatAssTruther ain’t that the truth. I enjoy Minecraft content but he’s ruined it for me.

[@Peakyy1]

He probably will lose most of his fans when they grow up. Most likely

[@XgoodbyeX]

@@racool911 that's the point the drama was only people who watched them until dream made a viral tweet and got even more people involved

[@gamer-if1xu]

if only ludwig could make such informative content. thank you mogul mail

[@haydenwier2754]

Secret

[@Alfie02]

​@@haydenwier2754 🤫

[@bww]

day 329 of waiting for the top comment on a mogul mail video NOT to be about mogul mail and ludwig being different people (even though they totally are different people)

[@Gabriel-wo9ps]

Ludwig wishes he was MogulMail 🥱

[@Raven_JF]

For real

[@c0rydon183]

funny how a project that was meant to bring people together and share Minecraft globally was turned into a dramatic situation because dream cant just keep it to himself

[@WillowMcPlier]

the best part of this whole situation is that there isn't actually any drama, dream is just slightly salty and fans went apeshit over nothing lol

[@Zandurr988]

To be dairy the whole 'drama' happend or started because fans of both pointed out that dream copied quackity. When the accused is actully baseless, and dreams stans are just to fucked and caused this.. though his twitlonger or whatever he did to talk about it was bad at facevaule. It all started because fans said one copied the other, when it's common for friends to have similar ideas in the back of their heads and work on it without saying anything.

[@StarchieHalo]

You know its gonna be the worst drama ever over something stupid when Dream is involved

[@nohotdog463]

Fr 💀

[@ArDeeMee]

Yeah. Poor guy is getting death threats AGAIN! oO Like him or not, THAT is just objectively wrong.

[@ragestuffin]

@@ArDeeMee unfortunately, their viewers are just so parasocial that it leads them to do that

[@Tay10rd]

I left my dad💪💪💪😤😤😤😤😜😜😜😎😎😎🥱🥱🥱

[@pipi-fc5lb]

@@ArDeeMee Would it be wrong to send death threats to Hitler?

[@MemeL0rd13]

I feel like dreams idea might fail, the content creators involved will only play for a few weeks if it's just vanilla Minecraft. What made the original dream smp good in my opinion was Wilburs story, Jschlatt's notoriety and the real only reason I even watched the smp, Tecnoblade. I really enjoy Technoblade's sense of humor, but his character on the smp was very well written. As for the multilingual server I feel like it will be hard to write a story which includes so many different personalities each with their unique improv skills.

[@cremenom]

I think Dream implied that there will be events and competitions in USMP that would likely encourage people to interact. But aside from that, not everyone enjoys modded (I don't really enjoy watching modded SMP's myself) and there's a lot of servers that exists with their own gimmicks that that are still at it's core vanilla like Hermitcraft, Lifesteal, Empires, etc

[@keirahansen1352]

I think they kinda have different goal for their SMPs. Quackity likes to do roleplay but Dream just wants a server where he can mess around with his friends. I don't think Dream really wants to create a dsmp 2.0.

[@MemeL0rd13]

Oh I see events sound great, there will actually be some sort of goals(content) for the streamers. As in for playing with his friends that's also completely understandable, better to let everyone have fun than do forced roleplay.

[@chinryzhu8237]

tbh Dream just doesn't possess the ability to write a whole story for all the content creators involved and also balance their scenes, while people like Quackity and Wilbur or even Karl do. And seems that he does realize that, so I don't think that's what he's aiming at.

[@frederiksrensen6116]

Hermitvraft is incredibly popular and is “just” friends playing on a server. They’re a bit better at the game than any DreamSMP members tho. Their playing style is at least a bit more developed - and has greatly shaped the way most youtubers play minecraft.

[@farmer_joe_]

How do people not realize all dreams drama is manufactured? It always happens as soon as his numbers start going down. Dude waits months after to respond to proof of him cheating to maximize how long he stays relevant.

[@monii_z]

the fact that his stans think everyone but dream is the problem is the most delusional shit ever lmaao with that many creators dropping him, and they still think he's a cool guy

[@marcuskian2811]

Now I understand why Schlatt banned ever Minecraft account in his stream couple of months ago, at first I thought it was absurd to go beyond the joke but now I understand because these people are absurd themselves.

[@BbiBbii]

The shocking thing is, they’ve only gotten WORSE since he’s done that 😓

[@somnolentcats]

i am so embarrassed for that part of the fandom. id never do something like that and send any form of genuine hate online. i feel so bad about how that part of the fandom just completely destroys the image for the many different communities edit: i misspelled embarrassed... to my defence this isnt my first language

[@Ihaveasecret8]

Big guy knows

[@tdkyt46]

Nah they aren't people they're children and dream has groomed them so hard it's actually disgusting

[@G.D.G.]

Schlatt as much as people try to dogpile on him, knows a shit personality from a mile away. He got out of this shit before it got this bad.

[@jetstreamshun1738]

If I had a nickel for every drama that happened in Minecraft community I would probably have a lot of money

[@skellytheskeletos8490]

Ah yes the infinite money glitch

[@concretemix]

Most of if would come from Dream

[@waskl2343]

@@concretemixthat‘s not how drama works, my guy

[@concretemix]

@@waskl2343 Dream has caused a lot of drama, so yes it IS. My guy.

[@kluevo]

I feel like that's just most communities on the internet. Minecraft's is more notable than others mostly because the game and creators in the space are massive.

[@TheRealGimynus1]

Dream is the type of guy that picks and fight then gets beaten up then picks the same fight again

[@parrase]

man's tubthumpin

[@thespremedoge1076]

to skip the sponser 2:21

[@NaudVanDalen]

Dream really took advantage of his Twitter Blue subscription by typing those essay level tweets.

[@ArDeeMee]

Elon personally put the marks back on people who had it before Blue. All the big channels tweeting „we did NOT pay for this bs“ at once was hilarious.

[@riley2294]

longer than the declaration of independence

[@Larsen_illustrations]

I mean if i paid for something I'm getting my money out of it

[@Varmit_]

@@ArDeeMee that is very true, but for the sake of being a lil hater, I think Dream would definitely buy Twitter blue

[@ArDeeMee]

@@Varmit_ Headcanon. 😂

[@Zipperfork]

Quackity’s a chill guy. He always does his own thing and he never really speaks on drama because he honestly just doesn’t care. He’s just chilling fr

[@ArDeeMee]

It’s the only way to survive the streaming scene tbh.

[@Zipperfork]

@@ArDeeMee you’re right.

[@Aryaniscool]

Yup fr he doesnt care if dream gets doxxed or being tracked Thats what makes quackity very chill for you guys

[@iulianatesu3316]

@@Aryaniscool I mean Dream didnt care if other people got doxxed or harassed by his fans...

[@Aryaniscool]

@@iulianatesu3316 First of all it was dream who was getting doxxed and the hate going on twitter in community was so intensified That in order to resolve this issue he first tried contacting quackity multiple times in dms but since quackity didnt reply...and you know this drama was getting out of hand so the only way left for dream was to finally address this whole situation in public hoping that people understand that what dream was working on (usmp) was not a copied idea...as he was working on it way before quackity publicly announced qsmp I cant believe people like you are just blaming dream for no reason..like you can clearly see here quackity threw dream under the bus by ignoring him And at last all i know is if quackity wanted then he could have never initiated this drama by Simply responding to dream

[@user-io2yy2jx5g]

Dream: *wants to address things, because his sensitive* Quackity: idgaf, just lemme run my server

[@daddychill1027]

song at 2:34 is Waltz of the Flowers from Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker Suite if anyone is wondering

[@WildCardIsAces]

Given all the other Minecraft drama that's happened, this is actually pretty tame by comparison

[@jahnnyponce9315]

I wont said that- i mean yeah the reasons are dumb but the fans are terrible- at least the ones that went to the house of an update account admin to try to stalk them and try to murder them in the middle of the night that was only stopped by the police cause the neighborgs call them

[@fart63]

Almost all drama that’s come from Minecraft Stans is ridiculously tame just overblown as hell

[@Cancer.]

The fact that you say that, when minecraft stans stalked/ harassed and tracked dreams family is hilarious. They're all mentally ill

[@Anna_Crossing]

@@jahnnyponce9315 WHAT

[@keirahansen1352]

​@Lil_Cat Yeah, unfortunately it's real. It was an admin for a fan-run USMP updates account.

[@aaa-oc8pf]

as a "minecrafter" (watched both dream and quackity for like 4 years) this is so insane for this even to be drama. it's just 2 guys who had the same idea when a live translation mod released, and made an smp around it. both of them didn't deserve all of the hate like stalkers, death threats, police, etc *it's just minecraft, i don't get why people have to be so insane over stuff like this*

[@KristenZianourry2015]

I miss 2018 quackity ngl i miss 2020 quackity when the stream had only 300 subs & it was much more personal there was well known people in the community idk what happened to liz I miss him playing toontown

[@delonat]

@@KristenZianourry2015 I miss 2030 Quackity ngl I miss when he went to space with his computer setup and streamed in orbit for a month :/

[@nekrokat8615]

@@delonat i miss 2050 quackity ngl i miss when he inhabited a whole new planet as a way to avoid getting doxxed

[@Silverr_.]

@@KristenZianourry2015 I miss 3000 Quackity ngl I miss when he streamed with his new alien friends while watching earth explode :/

[@diip-ali1228]

I miss 1930 quackity ngl i miss when he streamed the unsafe work conditions in the coal mines so he could afford a living during the great depression

[@RedNumber19]

There is so much Minecraft drama that I honestly just ignore all of it now. Any drama on twitter doesn’t concern me anymore, unless it’s really serious against a content creator I actually follow closely

[@Teaboodoesart]

“Not to cause drama, but **causes drama**”

[@GH0STQUEEN]

as a 26 yr old who watches hermitcraft, it's always so funny to me to see what's happening on the other side of the minecraft community its like that meme of the cat "da hell they doing over there"

[@island3522]

It’s so peaceful being a hermitcraft fan.

[@litpatatoes6976]

Minecraft drama: kiddie touchers, homophobia, assault. Hermitcraft drama: where diamonds…

[@elliotrobison6614]

Ayyy another 26 y/o watching hermits lol

[@jeanski9256]

​@Elliot Robison omg wow yall r so similar yall should date

[@almostmybedtime]

I see the Hermitcrafter members to be more mature adults as all of them are 26+. They know better than to make their drama public. Most of the DreamSMP members are in their late teens to early /mid 20s so they kinda act immature tbh. Like a bunch of highschoolers

[@Adrift_]

fostering a community that isn't very parasocial is a good step and also calling out that dangerous behavior will also help massively

[@divax0x060]

Yeah quackity should really set some boundaries

[@juliannathefirequeen]

I feel like these are both victim blaming mentalities though. It should obviously be on the fans to not be creepy stalkers; and sometimes when creators or celebrities bring attention to this sort of thing it makes it worse. “Fostering a community that isn’t very parasocial” is such a subjective thing as well, like what does that even mean in this context and would those steps on Dream or Quakity’s part actually do anything?

[@helloworld-sl2lw]

​@@divax0x060 Dream too, the way he privately talks to them sending weird messages to them and refers to them as his little kittens is hella weird.

[@divax0x060]

@@helloworld-sl2lw dream call out and addressed his fanbases behaviour multiple times include his recent thread quackity hasn't said anything in over a year likely longer

[@helloworld-sl2lw]

@Diva X0X0 but at his peak he encouraged his stans behavior and said doxxing people didn't matter but now that he's not as "trendy" he's taking the moral road and condemning it because he doesn't have everyone on Twitter on his side like he used to.

[@VixeyTeh]

New minecraft drama dropped!

[@itsme-ip2ce]

?

[@nolucid]

props to the guy standing still for 13 minutes in the background

[@kodek1234]

They should make a translator that can figure out whatever xQc is saying.

[@iamcode.4]

Even technology has its limits.

[@TsundeRea]

😂

[@DodgeThatAttack]

I love the irony of 2 minecraft creators creating servers with the intention of improving communication, only to then not communicate when there are issues between them.

[@Boss24601]

I think it’s perfect valid for him to leave him on read though. Not his problem. Dream has fostered these people, its his to address and deal with.

[@fl3m1n9o4]

​@@Boss24601please deal with your hate boner in private dude we don't need to see this, you've made like 10 comments all about how awful dream is when you clearly know the bare minimum about him

[@JosipaBe5]

No but if its happening to dream and his familiy, do you really think he fostered that people? Or is it quackity fanbase?

[@Boss24601]

@@JosipaBe5 very much so. He, and the wider minecraft youtubers, have cultivated this. Dream being the largest. He has it coming. It sucks that his family is involved but thats still his fault and he still has that coming. He could fix it, he just doesn’t want to loose his core fanbase.

[@ThisIsMyOpinionYay]

​@@Boss24601 so Quackity's fans harassing and stalking Dream's fans shouldn't be addressed by Q?

[@bludhavenx]

i know some people might don't know about this bc the language barrier, but in the very first days of QSMP some of the spanish speakers ccs were talking about that there would be a a possibility of adding ccs that speaks Portuguese. I'm pretty sure Quackity told them about his future plans in the server

[@RottenScales63]

why anyone still takes dream seriously is beyond me, he acts like a literal child

[@samsterlaornos8097]

But that keeps his relevancy on life support so i meaaaan

[@G.D.G.]

Moral of the story - Act like Quackity. Live your life, stop paying attention to drama. Dont write a 50 page essay to your ex cause she didnt text you back. Love ya, Ludwig!! 😂

[@atherofthevoid]

Pear of social

[@pokaay3163]

@@atherofthevoid love you ather

[@koldun9869]

act like quackity = condone harassment, doxxing, racism and death threads 🙂

[@Laine_SH]

Pretty awful take away from this video. Unlucky.

[@Yayiden]

Yeah, i bet people show up in front of Quackity's house too trying to threaten him

[@JustexistingRS]

Honestly I just doubt that all that doxxing stuff is bc of the server drama 😭 dream is hated for a LOT of reasons.

[@Fiemus9]

Yeah but name one of them that make doxxing understadable. He hasn't touched kids or anything

[@aristology6912]

@@Fiemus9 who’s gonna tell him

[@Fiemus9]

@Aristology he has not touched kids bro, you can't go off on every rumor

[@mhmbunbun1527]

@@Fiemus9he has texted underaged fans though 💀

[@rachellynnwallis4064]

@@mhmbunbun1527 that was proven wrong. not fans of either but i hate when shit gets made up that could ruin someones life just because people just dont like them

[@laary7589]

i cannot expreess how happy i am thta you are now on youtube literally the only guy that made me contemplate going to twitch for twitchy stuff

[@dapotatoman2173]

he wrote a whole ass novel 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@carters527]

We can’t call XQC an English speaking streamer

[@purakarencias]

Best comment

[@keirahansen1352]

I'm not too sure what language xQc falls under to be honest.

[@IntergalacticBrowny]

@@keirahansen1352 he speaks ascii

[@Becca-ol1sq]

LMAOO

[@dontreadprofilephoto5918]

dude dud dud dud dud listen listen lisen lisen

[@shsl_empath5437]

i think 2 other things that make a huge difference is also that q has been working on his since 2021, whereas dream came up with the idea earlier this year and that the qsmp is actually up and running and now has creators from 3 main language groups on it, whereas the usmp hasnt even had a list of creators who are partaking, much less is close to actually starting edit: i think another important thing to mention is that on march 27th quackity said he would be inviting other creators of other languages to the server, which was before dream introduced his

[@lightxmar]

it does not matter

[@shsl_empath5437]

@@lightxmar i was just adding more info to the situation!! /nm

[@weirdo6171]

Thanks for this information!

[@pissum420]

Recently he added Brazilian KZbinrs. I think it was Sunday?

[@shsl_empath5437]

@@pissum420 yep ! that’s one of the 3 main languages spoken on the qsmp (i said there were 3) but there are also streamers who speak more than one language (like wilbur speaks some dutch for example) but not primarily

[@afuriousfruitandavibinvegg5120]

not the most replayed part being the end of the advert by far

[@R4ynze]

Qsmp is the first it was announced first and it started up first and has added french and Brazilian streamers too. Qsmp has 80+ mods in it were Usmp only has the translator and is vanilla minecraft

[@superruffle2006]

Tommy and philza were asked back then when the 2nd dreamSMP was going to start and they said they kept trying to contact dream to ask him but dream never answered him, so they decided they wanted to join one that was coming up, the QSMP, and all of the sudden dreams comes saying quackity is the bad guy which is so weird after he didn’t answer to other people asking him for dreamSMP 2

[@Zephirite.]

Philza decided not to join DSMP S2 because he didn't want to ignore Technoblade, so that wasn't his reason. But Tommy, Tubbo, and Puffy were fully prepared to join DSMP S2.

[@superruffle2006]

@@Zephirite. but that’s the thing dream kept ignoring them about DSMP S2 so didn’t know if it was going to happen

[@Zephirite.]

@@superruffle2006 Yeah, that wasn’t cool. Ideally, Dream would’ve told them he wanted a break, then plan a check-in later where everyone could decide if they still wanted to do S2, or move on. Anything-just communicate.

[@junosgladius]

Finally someone says it, funny how he can't handle being ignored but ignores people trying their best to make something of part 2 of HIS server. Classic narcissistic behavior tbh, he somehow thinks he's the main character at all times.

[@superruffle2006]

@@junosgladius I know like he’s getting mad at someone for ignoring him but he did the exact same thing, it’s selfish what dreams been doing

[@cynical-canidae4665]

Thanks, Ludwig. Finally someone who actually looked into this and didn't just try to jump on some hate train to get one hit tweet. Very based take. The people losing their mind, doxxing people, and making threats on peoples' lives are such losers. It's honestly insane to see it.

[@AtGigis]

Who’s Ludwig? I only know Mogul Mail…

[@ErrantPenguin16]

Completely agree, i haven't really been in the Minecraft youtube space but this situation grabbed even my attention. and im going to be frank, i dont care what you do in a video game; at the end of the day, games were made for people to have fun and non of this shit matters. It a game; and anyone who take a game grudge and turns it into a real world grudge is to blame.

[@lonkus1290]

@@AtGigis some nerd who’s really slow at button mashing, but Mogul Mail, he the fast

[@ranpo_edogawa]

you do realize that if the real issue was dream getting doxxed he would've lead off with that and made that the whole point of the thread right? he obviously threw that in there for sympathy points. he's been getting harassed and stalked since his face reveal my guy. aint got nothing to do with Q.

[@Apple_Beshy]

Imagine caring about these pedos

[@pinkitho]

Dream says he doesnt want drama and then proceeds to be the only one talking about it

[@lacemank7220]

12:51 solid words said

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

I am aware of the irony as a mogul mail viewer. But IMAGINE caring about this and being emotionally invested in this. My God.

[@hushpuppi3]

its not ironic if you don't care about the 'drama', its just interesting to learn about stuff from people you like/find entertaining

[@theAlex2577]

no actually i thinks thats why we all like this channel, we all kinda sorta like internet drama, but we dont give a fuck enough to actually do the research ourselves so we let mr mogul mail guy do it cause he is usually unbiased and has normal good all luke warm takes

[@sambradley9091]

I'm only emotionally invested insofar I just want people to stop fucking harassing dream. it's ridiculous

[@TurtleBoyoIsCool]

@@sambradley9091eh

[@ditchfood8047]

I cared a lot about this stuff...when I was 16 to 18.

[@thataintfalco7106]

Gotta say as someone who’s only known about the qsmp by watching some of Jaiden’s streams, it’s really funny that immediately it has caused “drama.”

[@damonke7674]

Wombo combo?

[@thataintfalco7106]

@@damonke7674 OH OH OOOOH

[@Ihave2000kidsinmybasement]

i don’t like jaiden but if she’s apart of the qsmp ig i’ll watch it

[@MrPacman64]

Thank god someone made a video on this. I was not about to read all that

[@joshacd150]

Damn, Dream is in the wrong here, I don't dislike him and I don't particulary like him, I just find his videos entertaining and funny and I never really cared about the allegations that he cheated or that he didn't cheat, but my respect is going down hill. This should've been a private matter even if Quackity wasn't responding and shouldn't have been made a huge deal on Twitter or whatever they call it now.

[@Ihavealeftbrain]

The tweet was too long. Im glad that you did this. Thanks MM.

[@spoof2062]

Writing a 4 page doc about minecraft is crazy

[@ryderls2729]

*I... ain't reading all that!!*

[@cloudcadet5889]

@@spoof2062 it was about him and his family being doxxed, stalked, put trackers on their vehicles. Thats why he wrote anything

[@Takeromg]

That was too much to read... oh gaw 😂

[@ClueIess]

@@cloudcadet5889 that was like 5 sentences worth

[@Fboymgee]

I wouldnt blame Quackity if he just didnt want to be involved with Dream in general. Dude brings drama where he goes especially since he handles these dramas terribly. I also feel like dream knows he gets much more attention when hes involved in something. Why else would bro write a fucking essay on this shit.

[@rav0nn]

becasue he was getting stalkers and death threats and had to get the police involved. quackity made no attempt at diffusing the situation and dream probably felt he had no choice but to try and diffuse it to hopefully calm things down or prevent it from getting worse. I'm not saying dream is a saint either as he could have sent a smaller tweet or kept it private, but I suppose he tried to but quackity didn't respond

[@x_rouxi_ian_x4804]

@@rav0nn he said hes been trying to reach out for weeks. If quackity didnt show signs of stopping his fans then he has to speak up on his own, i mean why wouldnt he? His sister is literally getting rape threats.

[@namelessman6257]

He really said "go outside" in the politest way possible.

[@jospotato9790]

Quackity is an absolute Chad while Dream continues to be the Cry baby

[@liluziintrovert]

The statement about how creators have personal lives made me think back to when there was "drama" surrounding the vanoss crew because some of the members weren't playing with others, and people assumed there was beef when in reality is was purely because they liked playing different games

[@Victor10576]

Ngl i was One of them, i had a shitty mentality because my friends would allways play the same games, guess i thought evryone would do the same, thankfully i think im a bit smarter now lmao at least i think before typing

[@jangofett3147]

I mean some of them did have i wouldn't call it beef but it was some yt drama bs between h20 and ohmwrecker but it was definitely blown outta proportion by fans and it didn't help ohm was throwing gas on a spark

[@aidenmeislitzer7774]

Aaaand don’t forget MiniLadd

[@liluziintrovert]

@@jangofett3147 ohm and h2o was different ohm was burning bridges with everyone. I was referring to wildcat sticking to cod and fortnite, while vanoss, moo, terroriser, and nogla would be the main group that always played together

[@liluziintrovert]

@@aidenmeislitzer7774 we don’t speak ab Pablo shhhhh

[@oopsie_daisy]

i never even knew that there was drama about the Qsmp, only just seen this now personally, if the Usmp was actually going to be released as it was first shown, i would probably take qsmp's side. Dream already had his spotlight in minecraft servers, like the Dsmp. Quackity is finally getting a little more recignition than he used to, and I'm happy about that since I've always been more of a fan of him than Dream. To be fair, I was never a fan of Dream in the first place.

[@BelleDraws-i5d]

Dream's drama with quakidy is like that one kid who gets super defensive when his classmates think he copied another kid's homework. I ain't reading all that

[@wyvernio9419]

When I saw all those paragraphs from Dream I kind of groaned, but If people were ramping up IRL threats because of this slight misunderstanding (not even drama), I totally get that he felt that he should just put all his thoughts Into some tweets so people could calm the hell down about absolutely nothing.

[@katteycat]

agreed. it's crazy the lengths people will go over Minecraft servers 😂

[@erin4651]

I’m glad this video made you see that, a lot of ppl just saw the long tweet and immediately went to hate instead of reading and understanding

[@czechyourself6289]

True but tbh his fans are being so racist on Twitter to quackity

[@cwj2733]

stans. that’s it

[@koriander7208]

@@czechyourself6289 One dream fan had a quackity stan show up to their house and cut their internet. The person got arrested because they got caught by neighbers looking around the house. I'd say there's problems with people on both sides

[@agnes8477]

While the language thing is the same I will say that qsmp feels pretty unique. At the start it has lots of animations and pre built lore. I think they both have their purpose (with different players) and I don’t think it’s that big of a deal as some of the fans are making it

[@Tze52]

when ignoring the problem actually works

[@borhapfan0854]

ngl, I thought they where the same thing then forgot it existed lol

[@ToxicWaffle183]

The amount of drama in the mcyt fandom was so exhausting. People freaking out over the slightest of issues. I think it pushed a lot of the more casual viewers away

[@enzoarweq4525]

Only in the dream n friends mcyt community, people be chilling with other mc creators dang. Dream and them ain't the only only around wdym

[@olyvia2658]

It’s all fueled by young teens frothing over Minecraft streamers, one of the weirdest fandoms.

[@ToxicWaffle183]

@@enzoarweq4525 I’ve seen enough hermitcraft infighting to know that it’s not just dream

[@enzoarweq4525]

@@ToxicWaffle183 not on this level tho

[@quibbs7245]

as someone catching up on funny internet drama before a busy day tomorrow, i appreciate how well produced and quality based your videos are. If only people like ludwig matched to your true video making potential

[@pidgeymon2353]

been over half a year and bro has not uploaded SHIT for usmp meanwhile qsmp has had 2 separate meetups that consisted of more than half of the creators seeing each other and forming extremely meaningful relationships despite the language barrier

[@cupofjoe1785]

Meanwhile me vibing watching ivory and grazzy and not caring about any of this

[@gulermo]

"if people want to talk to you, they will" Quackity said it best already, i feel like Dream is leaving context out of this to make it seem like there's no other reason besides minecraft server, but meanwhile Dream has been a very problematic person these past months, and Quackity clearly wants nothing to do with him anymore, you can't force someone to talk to you or to take part in drama they don't want anything to do with, Dream tried to PRESSURE Quackity into saying something by making this public because he KNEW his fans would attack Quackity demanding he responded, but does not want to, and you can't force him to do so, leave the dude alone

[@GetItTwisted121]

Glad to see a multilingual reporter who speaks English, French, Spanish, Italian, Oishi Japanese and Scandinavian languages cover this topic. Truly a needed perspective Mr mogul Mail

[@CannedCorm]

journalism is in many ways a tonal language

[@tahsinoishi9921]

What do you mean by Oishi Japanese?

[@GetItTwisted121]

@@tahsinoishi9921 Oishi means good. Lud used that word a ton during the Japan trip

[@shirowolff9147]

you forgot portuguese

[@GetItTwisted121]

@@shirowolff9147 ooh yeah