Huge Settlement Changes in Norsca

Chaotic wasteland BE GONE!
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[@senti5468]

I like this. No reason Norsca needed to be chaotic wastes since we do have the actual chaos wastes up there.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

yeah i agree. this makes a lot more sense. that being said, i still dont like how Norsca is currently implemented in the game and i frankly dont see the race getting the same glow-up that the WoC got. I wonder if it would suit the race better if they just got axed and were instead moved into the WoC but kept their mechanics but their roster got moved into the rest of the chaos factions and Norsca got some of the WoC units in return. basically just make them sort of like a sub faction. the issue is how would they work with dark fortresses since they are already limited. as it stands norsca is just going to get rolled over by everyone

[@Ragatokk]

@@zacharyjackson1829 It's just sad how the thematically coolest race has got no dlc at all.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

@Ragatokk to be fair for the most part they really weren't ever a race to begin with. It's just something that got pulled put of their hats for Warhammer 2 pre-order. They are a wannabe chaos faction that should just embrace chaos

[@CavemanBearPig]

@@zacharyjackson1829 ?? "Wannabe chaos faction that should just embrace chaos" ?? My guy, Norscans *are* a Chaos faction.

[@JackdotC]

​@zacharyjackson1829 nah I think you might just hate Norsca. The idea of northern tribes who worship chaos but don't fully understand chaos is pretty appealing tbh. There's room for a lot more mysticism around their versions of chaos. It's like magic in Harry Potter with rules and phrases vs magic in LotR, where wizards can kind of just do whatever. They should really have gotten units that went to Kislev is SoC, maybe with a bit more chaos corruption. Since they are a monster faction lean more into prehistoric stuff, sabertooth cav, stalking hunters, berserkers who worship khorn without knowing his true name. Bassically a more wild version of Kislev

[@Atercor-kx8hs]

"It's all about Norsca changes!" 1:20 long video *cries in unga-bunga*

[@savageassassin8548]

"they changed the climate for malakai" *looks to grom and boris who are surrounded by unpleasent terrain*

[@JanneBernards]

Boris has mechanics to deal with it though.

[@savageassassin8548]

@@JanneBernards he still compains about it

[@cynder316]

The secret to playing Grom is to do what any sensible person would do if they found themself in the middle of France: leave as quickly as possible.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Highly recommend the Climate Adaption mod...or to go play Azhag instead.

[@Ankhtowe]

@@cynder316 That's Islamophobic.

[@Battleseyttv]

Honestly such a good change! Norscan lands have often been barren do the lack of incentive for ordertide factions to take it - now it could be a viable place to conquer.

[@basinox]

This is also a huge flavour win since Norsca was always supposed to be relatively safe for humans to travel in (if they wear appropriate clothes)

[@lordtitan3651]

​@basinox Relative to the chaos wastes themselves maybe, but supposed to be one of the harshest and most dangerous regions besides

[@pogo8050]

“Changes to norsca settlement” calm “They do it so Malakai can conquer everything” PANIK

[@SuperDoggy99]

It's good that Kislev can finally colonize the frozen north. On their splash screen, they're plodding through the snow without gloves. That's some serious frost-bite resistance.

[@ellis9290]

UN-inhabitable, not inhabitable.

[@GwynnBlake]

Sadly, no love for northern human wildlings. We need norsca and other wild human unions to be presentent and be playable. And also be playable in a ways of men unions (kingdoms), wild tribes (monster hunters, raiders, foe-seekers and adventurers) or chaos worshipers (chaos warriors) - so player may choose and go the way he wants. And, would be my favorite part, to mix these ways any way player want.

[@123fakestreettt]

But what about MONKE?! What does MONKE get out of this!?

[@dwarfie24]

More enemes. 😢

[@lordtitan3651]

This is pretty much a monke nerf, they already get steam rolled every playthrough now it will be that much easier 😂

[@spengeboib640]

I believe Kislev has a commandment called Magic Wards of Climate Change which nullifies Chaotic Wasteland climate effects.

[@Battleseyttv]

Correct specifically for Boris; granted that''ll only impact the settlements directly nearby to him.

[@whytho1637]

​​@@BattleseyttvThe commandment is available to all Kislev factions. Boris just gets reduced penalties from chaos climates

[@mightyowl3875]

Yep, but it gives you negative devotion.

[@MichikoHoshi]

​@mightyowl3875 by the time you have time to go that far west in Norsca, you already get so much devotion. The more sucky part is until you claim the entire province, all the region that are wasteland are penalize until you can set the commandment

[@kianlakchi7182]

@@Battleseyttv That's incorrect, last week I played as Kostaltyn and he also can do this in every province he fully owns with at least one settlement within chaotic wasteland.

[@yochitoranaga]

Actually, even in the pre-patch version, most of norsca is frozen or montainous climate, there's only a bunch of non-coastal territories in the heart of norsca are chaos wasteland climate. (I'm in the middle of a Katarin playthrough) And Kislev can cancel out the chaos wastelands effects through a commandment. It costs some devotion to maintain, but you can easily get that devotion within the provinces

[@JWSoul]

Well no need now

[@JanneBernards]

@@JWSoul There is if you are Boris, or want to conquer the Chaos Wastes later on with the other Kislev factions.

[@Brohammer.]

It's true. It's HUGE. First time i hear about it. Thx for the info!

[@poyloos4834]

They really should make frozen climate orange for the empire. Like, I get you weren’t supposed to take norsca, but not being able to inhabit kislev at all just feels silly.

[@shanethepain13]

Ah about time, I always used the frozen norsca mod.

[@lightstickglow]

I like your videos: short, useful, informative. Good job!

[@grimlok3487]

My norsca campaign getting rolled by Malakai: Ah yes

[@Marmamartha]

A good change, but I was hoping for additional settlements in Norsca, like Kraka Ravnsvake, Dorden and Ornsmotek.

[@TheJuniblex]

Try out the Old world map mode. You got a much more detailed Norsca. (And all the dwarf holds) .

[@lordtitan3651]

A Norsca nerf , ouch

[@GwynnBlake]

Common story *-(

[@MrKingkamina]

I've had a mod to make all climates inhabitable for so long I forgot this could be am issue.

[@fyiicheckforspies]

Everyone but Norsca getting buffs, even Dwarfs lmao

[@moth7579]

it's hard to be an evil useless mob faction ngl, even skavens have it better than the monke

[@pogo8050]

@@moth7579when didn’t skaven always have it the best lol

[@1ochotnik]

@@pogo8050 at release of WH2 before any DLC I guess

[@TheJohnmurphy516]

I saw a video that show the area where Valkyrie the blood starts was changed to artic as well which is a huge change for the dark elves

[@donkey9113]

Huge nerf to chaos factions but to be honest they needed one

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@justonhelf7513]

Gives me hope they’re making Norsca as a race into a more diet chaos culture where you can dabble in plenty of chaos (via mechanics and units) but you can still stay true to its heavy metal viking culture we all know and love. Hope to see a culture diverfiying DLC for them in the future where you get some chaos focused characters while also getting some characters that defy chaos outright. i hope to see the roaster and mechanics reflect that as well.

[@andrejung5760]

these are now so rich provinces, it is hilarious. Also we should not forget, that it also has an effect on local recruitment, as it was 2 turns to recruit a basic unit, now turning to 1, and most of kislev units are from that tier!

[@kluasvt828]

This is really big for Malus too

[@AshCreeper]

Couldn’t he already inhabit chaos wastes?

[@cynder316]

​@@AshCreeperAny dark elf can, what makes Malus unique is his immunity to chaos attrition.

[@dragontamer2474]

I’m so glad they did this, Kostaltyn had nowhere to go but to betray the empire. Then after months CA gave them a bandaid to spend devotion to remove it and now I can finally play the chad himself without being dogpiled by 5 legendary lords before turn 20!

[@timgrant9021]

Great! Now what about walls in some of the major provincial capitals or is that still non existent?

[@some_balkan_boy174]

Finally! Kislev is actually playable!

[@ce5122]

wish this happened before my poor elves went to war with norsca

[@Daelan1234]

Epidemius dislikes Mountain climate, and he is very close

[@LucasEduardo-jm7nd]

They really need to do a rework of Norsca, not just the mechanics, but the faction concept. Rename them to "Northmen" or "The Northmen" or something like that and add the tribes that live north of Cathay as DLC can also add a LL at Skeggi.

[@GwynnBlake]

Yeah! Northmen or wild tribes or something like that. Or simply raiders, invaders. Also add other wild, chaotic or uncommon human races and separate them from chaos beasts.

[@KramerKontained94]

Because we needed Norsca to be even weaker

[@thinksmarter7159]

HUGE

[@Nikolas5842]

Grombrindal too

[@MrCasualIsHere]

Norscaaa baby

[@stehmer3]

Norsca-bowl!?

[@henrywill124]

Can the Dwarfs or Kislev build defensive buildings like walls in this new Norsca, or is the tier 1 extra units building the best that we can hope for here?

[@olafthemoose9413]

You could always build the garrison buildings, you just don't get walls in Norsca, Ogre and Woodelf homeland

[@henrywill124]

@@olafthemoose9413 I wasn't sure if changing the climate also changed the strange "Norse monkeys can't build walls" meme or not. At least with Wood Elves you can get a 20 unit stack as a garrison to easily defend with despite the lack of walls.

[@nailigniststarzear6689]

Norsca lose one of 2 thing that help them fend off tide of Kislev(other being Azazel) I mean ...most Norsca lack armor and weak to arrow.....just thing that Kislev have a lot

[@cango8415]

They need to make more changes like this. Markus Wulfhart , Ku'gath Plaguefather comes to my mind. Your start location and nearby settlements are setting you back.

[@aidanc9396]

I remember during TW:WH2 they had suitable climates on the Lord Select Screen before you started a campaign. Then there were the baseline Climates for each race (their likes and dislikes), but some Lords had normally hostile climates become suitable to make the campaign smoother. They really should have kept that around and applied it to ones like Markus and Ku'gath.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

​@@aidanc9396 They brought back climate preferences with either the Champions of Chaos or the Chaos Dwarfs. You can view them in the faction selection when you go through those three tabs at the top-right.

[@zacharybecker8228]

Franz should at least get orange frozen. 3/4 of his green climates are useless for at least 100 turns

[@totomen666]

Finally Climat affecting a battle, placement armies on unfavorable terrain should affect war by big numbers. Greta Thunberg is Tyranid queen of climat control, The End Boss aka new threat.

[@yargus9725]

This is a nerf... why?!

[@moth7579]

Would be good if they balance the ai on legendary as well, it's just seems so stupid what konstantyn can't survive more than 11 turns if you play as Katarin for some reason

[@CH-ml4rz]

Algo

[@CavemanBearPig]

Kinda defeats the lore of Norsca imo. It has always been a chaotic hell hole, at least especially so once you've gone past the southern coasts. I also feel like that was the whole point: to prevent Ordertide from just rolling in, setting up shop easy breazy and moving onto the Chaos Wastes themselves which are super tiny compared to everything the Order factions have free reign over. It's what added to the fun of playing Kislev and the Empire even. At this point they may as well do away with the climate suitability entirely. Especially if LLs like Boris, Grom and Khatep (those ones immediately come to mind) are going to be surrounded by Unsuitable climates for most of their campaigns while Malakai gets it easy.

[@GwynnBlake]

In my opinion the only way to fix it is to make northern wastes bigger so the southern part would be okay for non chaos factions and vice versa the northern part.

[@Koyu_Ruh]

Okay, you can take Norsca, but now hear me out, how about teaming up with the Norscan Monkeh's and stomp on the Kislevites for the memes?

[@razmuz123456789]

A Norsca change for the sole purpose of making it easier for other factions to conquer the place. Can norsca as a faction get shafted any harder lol.

[@Twohonkslong]

Think we are getting inhospitable and uninhabitable mixed up

[@JWSoul]

Makes sense

[@eviem5658]

Not a fan of this change. I preferred Norsca having some chaotic wasteland as a buffer between civilization and the actual chaos wastes. Now it's too easy to take over all of Norsca

[@MrParadux]

Couldn't Kislev previously just use their commandment to neutralize the climate penalties? So Kislev basically got to use different commandments in Norsca now, which is nice nontheless.

[@torquevonthorne948]

Wait a sec norscan was alteady frozen climate to allow the kislevites to have green territory

[@nicky640]

Dark Elves and Alith Anar are celebrating as well! 😁 I really like this. There was too much Chaotic Wasteland.

[@roti213]

Finally, I can actually invade norsca with order factions and not have it be a slugfest

[@houlinfan7835]

finally now kislev don't have t go soutj and fight the empire for suitable land

[@Asrahn]

This is great. As a Kislev player I always felt really sandwiched by the location in question with little option to expand unless I wanted to betray my allies.

[@warsakcz8322]

Honestly it's not really big deal for Kislev, they could just use the command in province to remove the negative efects of climate in northen Norsca, but sure, it's better

[@Prushinthespirit]

What's with the pandering to order factions all over again?

[@Loj84]

Bruh. Chaos has gotten so much new content in WH3 and continues to get more in every patch. Norsca specifically hasn’t gotten love, but everything else has.

[@Tucher97]

So Norsca having fewer true chaotic wasteland territory is great for everyone else because holy shit they could ultimately dominate. Also I do not understand this "unga bunga" with Norsca, can someone please explain this inside joke? I see demon worshipping vikings, I cannot see caveman, they have black smithing and industry.

[@moth7579]

find tariff norsca videos. it will explain for you a lot

[@GwynnBlake]

Well there is tariff KZbinr with , let's say at least, a strange sense of humor, imo. I guess it's not for everyone

[@moth7579]

@@GwynnBlake idk monthy python bretonia bits are pure gold, same with archaon being bullied by everything what can move

[@sadoryutenryu664]

i suppose this matters for some people, personally i mod out the entire climate system nonsense.

[@cHaMp630]

Just get rid of climate penalties already.

[@Legionthecomrade]

The climate system is just bad.

[@andrewjackson3603]

Seems like an interesting change. But no offense man, but your accent makes you saying “uninhabitable” sound just like “inhabitable”.

[@thomasprice7893]

Amazing, maybe now Kislev can survive for more than five turns without someone holding their hand

[@ThishandlefeatureISdumb]

Is it your mic not picking it up or are you not saying the UN in uninhabitable?