Hungarian KGPF-9: Kalashnikov Genetics in a 9mm SMG

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This modern Hungarian submachine gun bears a remarkable similarity to the AKM rifle in many aspects, from the pistol grip to many of the manufacturing practices. In fact, the more we did into the gun, the more Kalashnikov influence we can see in it. This particular example is semiautomatic only, but the weapon is made as both a civilian carbine and as a fully automatic submachine gun for military sales. And no, it's not available in the United States - my thanks to its anonymous owner outside the US for sharing it with us!
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[@zaporozsec1]

Just a little extra info here. I am a Hungarian gun entusiast, so I try to keep track of the local weapons industrty. Well, this is quiet easy to do, becouse this submachine gun is one of the latest firearm designs went into serial production in Hungary. It was designed in the late 80s (under communist rule) by Zoltán Horváth (engineer of FÉG) but serial production actually started in the late 90s. It is allegedly used by hungarian prison guards and the Hungarian army (later is told to have around 1000 pcs, full production numbers are not public). I personally saw 2 military police guys carrying it on patrol a few weeks ago, so it is actually in use. It was also used by Hungarian soldiers in Afghanistan. Until this video I didn't know about any semi-auto or export versions. It is know by the name of KGP-9 (without the "F"), it stands for Komondor géppisztoly (Komondor Submachine-gun) or Kis géppisztoly (small submachine-gun). The gun is told to be very reliable, very controllable in full auto despite it has a very high firing rate. The magazine is 25 rounds. During service trials it was compared with the Mini UZI, Glock-18, APS-9 and vz.68. It turned out to be completely reliable even under dusty conditions, and to have superior service life (around 10.000 shots) compared to the other tested guns. It was also very cheap, allegedly around 20% of the contemporary western submachine guns. So this is the perfect SMG, isn't it. Well, not quite. It's time to talk about the bad. It has terrible ergonomics. The folding stock is just as bad as the AK counterpart, the sight is permanently fixed on the receiver cover, after disassembly this will never be at the same position as before. Some (probably prototype) versions had a charging handle made from the trigger, actually a sharp ended hook capable of making hand injuries. No flashlight or laser pointer can be attached (at least officially). The foregrip (which is removed in the video) is too wide to hold the gun comfortably. Some experts say it is absolutely inadequate for professional (especially police) use.

[@mikemike6908]

zaporozsec1 with a few additions I think it could be a great little gun. If special forces were seen using it in Afghanistan still it must be doing something right

[@AJTHAxx]

@@mikemike6908 Not special forces, just soldiers. You could see a some in the Petőfi (MP only as far as I know) and in Szentendre, maybe not since the adoption of scorpion evo 3, but they sill have it.

[@mikemike6908]

AJTHAxx read what I said again. I was just talking about Afghanistan. I’m sure nobody will be using them soon with the addition of the new scorpion evo

[@szardroid]

@@mikemike6908 Két magyar angolul beszéli meg... vicces.

[@AJTHAxx]

​@@szardroid Ja, gondoltam, ha más is elolvassa, az is értheti, és az eredeti is ángélusul volt. @Miklós Nagy Ezt írtad: "If special forces were seen using it in Afghanistan still it must be doing something right." Erre válaszoltam. A KMZ nem használta tudtommal ezt a csúzlit Afganisztánban. hozzászólásom célja nem sértés volt, csak javítás.

[@MilsurpMikeChannel]

An AK and an Uzi got drunk one night and made some bad life decisions... 9 months later, you get the KGPF-9.

[@Khanclansith]

Milsurp Mike Channel you beat me to the joke.

[@trophywolfe]

I'd say AK and Tec 9

[@xmm-cf5eg]

looks like a "Walther MPL" but as an AK to me.

[@baggedandblown]

wimmisky wat

[@chillinchum]

wimmisky That's not funny.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

This thing looks like the kind of gun I would draw up as a kid

[@dermotrooney9584]

Hello Golden Caulk. How often do you leave the first comment? Good skils! The guns I drew as a kid were much bigger.

[@therugburnz]

TheGoldenCaulk Yeah, but when we were kids the teacher may or may not have told us , " Don't draw that. Guns are bad." . Now a kid would get handcuffed or at least suspended for saying he wanted to think about drawing something that might kinda resemble a completely leagal BBgun his family actually gave him for Christmas. Peace be with you my brother.

[@inverseactuality]

Usually schools aren't that crazy, it's just that the ones that are make the news every time anything happens. I was in high school until fairly recently (2014) and printed out pictures of subguns and assault rifles in the school library for projects and no one cared. A teacher did once tell me to stop telling kids the legal process for acquiring machine guns and other NFA items though but that's about it, and I can see why she wouldn't want someone who doesn't know they're legal to overhear something like "I know a place that sells machine guns" in a school. I doubt that they're any harsher towards the younger kids, it'd probably still just be the possibility of being told to stop drawing them. Things are never as bad as the news makes them out to be.

[@xmm-cf5eg]

Looks like the kind of gun I held up the neighbor boy with as a kid. Good times, er, simpler times.

[@mememetal6631]

Imagine if she would met you now and see you watching these "dangerous, evil, corrupting" videos.

[@kiakiralyasd]

FEG wen bankrupt in 2004. This weapon is mainly used by prison guards in Hungary, and is widely considered unergonomic. Greetings from Hungary!

[@gyorgysanta145]

As a Hungarian I can tell you that this is quite a terrible weapon. It's an interesting design, it had a potential but it was never a good weapon. Unergonomic, uncomfortable, too high of a RoF especially with a 20 round mag. It was designed in the late '80s, there were multiple attempts in the '90s to introduce this SMG to the Hungarian Army but it failed the tests and later on it just wasn't economical to adapt. In like 2000-2002 there were about 1000 of them bought, some saw service in Afghanistan but in the end everyone who this weapon was originially designed for got the MP5 instead because it's better by light-years. After all with some updates and fixes it could've been a solid SMG but it never got the support or positive feedback that could've driven such a motion. Plus FÉG went bankrupt in 2004. Nowadays we are purchasing CZ Scorpion EVO 3s for the police and army.

[@miszterq0088]

Szerintem igaza van. Én úgy tudom hogy cső túlmelegedési gondjai voltak a nagy tűzgyorsaság miatt.

[@davidj3841]

@@MrSmiley-mr3gg He's right though

[@happytomato1135]

Wait... Scorpiókat akarunk venni? Cseh CZ Scorpiont? MP5 helyett? Azta....

[@rbbobbi0]

Kicsit sárga, kicsit savanyú, de a miénk!

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Sajna kábé annyira lőfegyver mint amennyire tégla.

[@schpeti608]

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Ölni bármivel lehet, egy kicsi pisztollyal is

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

@@schpeti608 Téglával is.

[@budasardi4701]

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Én szerek vele lőni.A BV.-nél van dögivel.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

@@budasardi4701 Nem érzed kissé nehéznek kezelni? Mem épp az ergonómia csúcsa.

[@huntzy4220]

Hey Ian, have you ever thought about making videos on firearms tooling and manufacturing equipment? I think it would be really cool to see some of the technology used to actually manufacture these historical devices

[@moosemaimer]

Springfield Armory has a pretty good museum of manufacturing... there's one display just showing all the different steps to make the rear sight on an M1.

[@ObsoleteVodka]

YT would probably take them down because "it teaches terrorists how to make weapons".

[@derekhenschel1632]

No actually gun Making is historical information so it's protected under the 2001 historic videos act. It's why videos of Columbine are still up

[@Regolith86]

Derek Henschel: I can't find any reference to such an act, and regardless, it wouldn't affect KZbin anyway. KZbin is a private company and can decide what videos it wants to host and which ones it doesn't. The recent demonetization and deleting of gun videos was due to a private (and poorly made, IMO) decision by KZbin, and not due to any government pressure that I am aware of.

[@LOL60345]

@@stanleynickjedrzejczyk4533 pretty ironic considering the only way to do a revolution is using firearms. its almost like the commies are also getting played.

[@9HolyDiver]

One little trivia: FÉG is Fegyver És Gázkészülékgyár. Which translates roughly to Arms and gas equipment factory. They produce small arms and gas boilers and burners :)

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I think a word with that many accent marks legally qualifies as an assault weapon.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

+Forgotten Weapons They are not accent marks. We just indicate long and ahort vovels with them. It can look ridiculous to someone who doesnt speak it tho, I guess.

[@chrismorse3862]

+I need no channel youtube! always? or just when written for some foreign language speaker who would be sounding it out for the first time

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

+Chris Morse You get used to them I imagine. á is aa, é is ae and so on.

[@chrismorse3862]

+I need no channel youtube! just sounds tedious and unnecessary. I mean once you know the word you know the vowel sound it uses. there's a reason we only have them in the pronunciation part of dictionaries and the like

[@jeffengland2791]

I guess the AK design elements in this gun are a case of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.' lol

[@andrasbonitz3491]

Or rather "the entire country can only produce AKs as automatic firearms and we need an SMG for NATO really ,really cheap".

[@andrasbonitz3491]

@Neo Hungarian BarbarianI'd actually be curious to hear the stories you heard.

[@zephyrna6249]

Generally the hungarian philosophy

[@skoopsro7656]

This is absolutely awesome. We NEED these in the US. Akfiles would LOVE it

[@aronkovacs1386]

No we don't. It's generally hated by Hungarian Service members

[@dannymcbas6130]

I’m an active service member of the Hungarian Defence Forces Military Police and believe me... You don’t want this gun :D the mag released itself on the street before 30+ civilians not once. Laughingstock in the army

[@samholdsworth3957]

Lol

[@44WarmocK77]

Add a huge bayonet to it and it could be a bolter from Warhammer 40k

[@chromicm6686]

44WarmocK77 look up AGS-30

[@CaptainGrief66]

Mag should be comically larger, _and curved of course_

[@blackstone1a]

if you think this is a Bolter go look up the Fostech Origin. just saw off the barrel and it’s pretty much one

[@NotACutie]

Scale it up significantly.

[@Procket12]

Looks like a much blockier Walther MPL.

[@gfhjkfghj4208]

Don't think that's possible. MPL is as blocky as a gun can be while shooting round bullets. Same as G11.

[@xmm-cf5eg]

It's Kraut space magik meets Hungarian space witchcraft.

[@gfhjkfghj4208]

It's for the AK what the MP5 is for the G3.

[@dillonc7955]

To me, it reminds me of a blockier OTS-02 Kiparis with AK style sights.

[@Pcm979]

ARs, LMGs, SMGs, shotguns- is there anything the AK platform can't be used for?

[@Govrin.]

Pistol

[@kh5736]

dror kapon there are ak "pistols" in the us

[@keyboardwarrior2145]

Rocket launchers

[@lourencoalmada1305]

Keyboard Warrior RPG-7 looks like an AK though...

[@cg8212]

I would say a shovel, but someone actually made a functional AK shovel, so I got nothing here.

Hungarian gun nut here. Some additions. KGP stands for "könnyű géppisztoly" which means light machine pistol. F means "félautomata", semi-automatic. By the way the manufacturer is not FEG but FÉG, with an accent on the E, and it's pronounced "fe-eg", not eff-ee-gee. But of course you can't speak every obscure language properly. :) FÉG stands for "Fegyver- és Gázkészülékgyár", Weapons and Gas Devices Factory. It's a large plant on the outskirts of Budapest and it has a long history and a major role in every turmoil we went through in the 20th century. It's been shut down a few years ago. The KGP-9 wasn't the first Hungarian SMG, but the last one was the "Danuvia", a post-war design which saw only limited police use up until the early 1960s. When the KGP-9 was designed in the late 1980s, the Hungarian army didn't have submachine guns, but neither law enforcement, they also used AK assault rifles and some of the old Danuvias. The necessity of such a weapon arose when the police formed its first Western-style SWAT team, the Komondor Kommandó (named after a huge breed of dog, the komondor - today there's an armored military vehicle with this name) and the army also indicated its intent to depart from rigid Soviet military doctrines. Its parts were indeed designed with repurposing the machinery used to manufacture the AMD-65 and the AK-63D in mind. Those were the main products of FÉG for many decades, it only made sense to make something similar. The military wasn't really satisfied with this gun, but they kept using them in small numbers anyway until they got MP5s. Some Hungarian UN troops on the Sinai Peninsula carried them, and as to my knowledge some of them were used in Iraq too. They've been phased out, though they're still on inventory. Nowadays it sees widespread use in correctional institutes. Go to any court in Budapest and sooner or later you'll see COs escorting inmates to hearings with one of these babies on their shoulders.

[@aidancloke4398]

Forgotten weapons Drinking game Take a shot every time Ian says AK

[@joevidya]

Spitfire24 what do I drink when he brings out an actual AK to compare

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

joetca Vodka!

[@ScottKenny1978]

I'd like to survive to get to the hospital, thanks!

[@_Wiseguy7]

This looks like what I'd imagine if Volvo was tasked to design an AK-based 9mm SMG.

[@balazsneuperger2063]

Just some small info: there is no weapon designated under the name AMD-63, only the AMD - 65 with folding stock, front grip and a muzzle brake. The AK variant Ian try to refer is the AKM-63, fixed stock, regular barrel length and the same style of foregrip. The fire rate of the KGP-9 is 1200 rounds/minute, it is a fast shooting gun. The magazine capacity is 25 rounds.

[@mememetal6631]

Just some extra info: AKM veriants: AK-63 F [fatusás = wooden stock] fixed wooden butt stock AK-63 D [deszant = paratrooper] under folding butt stock AK-63 veriant: AMD-65 carbine version, muzzle brake, front grip, metal heat shield, side folding wire stock

[@lencao4515]

Avtomat Kalashnikova, You are the Father!

[@betaich]

Kalashnikova would indicate a women in Russian, actually the daughter of Mr Kalashnikov, so the mother is the AK74?

[@DankbeastPaul]

-a can also indicate that it's possessive, so he's right

[@Tyler-uc4ye]

@@betaich it's not the same in Cyrillic

[@RealLuckless]

It seems rather 'user-unfriendly' to stick a safe position between two firing positions. Any idea on how common selector switches along the lines of full-safe-semi are used in designs rather than safe-full-semi or safe-semi-full. Feels like it would take a needless level of care when putting the weapon on safe if 'safe' isn't at one extreme of travel for the selector. (ie, push it 'as far as it goes' in that direction, and you're confident that you're on safe.)

[@randywatson8347]

Reminds me of my electric drill/screw machine: clockwise, safe, counterclockwise

[@chrismorse3862]

+Synthusiast could even see that being the inspiration, tho was that already common in electronic drills then? I know battery technology wasn't near what we have but I'm sure features carried over from old corded ones as well reminds me of how when Lamborghini sent the Cheetah or whatever test version of the LM002 to the army and they wrecked it pretty quickly, and the Hummer got the deal. in theory a mid engine v12 would be the perfect vehicle but when have kids who have grown up driving front engine 4wd trucks their whole lives the family tops weight balance and whatnot!

[@chrismorse3862]

+Chris Morse familiarity not family

[@jasondoe2596]

RealLuckless, I know nothing about guns, but it really seems like a *safety nightmare* ... It gets even worse: If you have the semi-auto version, you've probably trained yourself to put the selector all the way to the right in order to make it safe, both for convenience and because it's actually safer on that particular version of the gun (less chance of not fully clicking into place). Then one day your superiors hand you the full-auto variant. Due to muscle memory, you still put it all the way to the right and leave it there. Oops!

[@dillonc7955]

This gun in general looks usable but doesn't look too ergonomic nor user unfriendly in general. Sort of goes with the Soviet theme ov making guns usable but stil crude.

[@htz11235]

Who dislikes these videos? As cool as this channel is, it's pretty niche. Who else is finding these these videos besides the intended audience? And then disapproving of them?

[@istvanbarath6333]

Romanians

[@attilarischt2851]

I recall an old article, allegedly the soldiers were not particularly fond of it. It's not bad per se, they said it does the job, but there are just better guns available. Not perfectly applicable to this particular gun, but they mentioned the plastic furniture being low quality in the military version (The one that is merely KGP-9. The F simply marks the civilian variant). That's the only particular reasoning I remember. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the similarities to an AK is really due to just making it cheaper with the reusing the tooling and stuff.

[@mememetal6631]

Yes, I read it. They were salty about it. But they were also bit exaggerating it. The quality was problem, do to getting close to bankruptcy(yes, once again, but was the last time they escaped it).

[@z3223]

SMG IS FINE.

[@xmm-cf5eg]

NYET, we need to replace PPSH/PPS-43 with some sort of funky AK version. also make it 9x18 because fuck tokarev and his handgun.

[@zero87mx]

Ian, when are the south africa videos coming?

[@emilhajbert5326]

Chamuco It varies because he doesn’t release them all at once. Every time he is on a filming trip he takes those videos and releases them with a few weeks between each video so the content remains varied. If you’re a 20$ Patreon supporter you can get early access though, but he has still only published one South Africa video to Patreon.

[@Hidalguense]

Chamuco on another video he said that they come out some time in June.

[@QuellicheilMarza]

When ready

[@jayzenitram9621]

Axel Pingol For fucks sake, the guy is just asking a question.

[@jayzenitram9621]

Ok then, I wasn't aware of that. I don't keep track of user comments.

[@atmaanu4825]

Looks like bolter from warhammer imo.

[@Aetila]

"I'm a Colombian hmm, businessman...and we like this gun!" :-)

[@jackmcslay]

There's a certain charm to efficiently engineered firearms, it's always impressive to see impressively intricate mechanisms but so is seeing the lengths they manage to simplify them down to making the most of existing manufacturing equipment.

[@Bravomarko]

It will be strange, but the abbreviation behind the KGP is: “Kis Gép-Pisztoly” which it means “Little Sub-Machinegun” - so Lil’ SMG F maybe the abr. of “Fél-automata” so “Semi-auto” -> Due to the export model Otherwise by the FÉG the F abr., served for “Fatusás” as “Wooden” furniture. Because there was a KGP version (Samples) which manufactured with longer barrel, and assembled with wooden handguard and wooden sport stock.

[@gyurcikkk]

Oh végre magyar fegyver! I'm hungarian...

[@balazstorok9265]

Volt már magyar, de persze hurrá!! :D

[@vasilzahariev5741]

It is kinda incredible, there are only 15 million of them in the world. Compare this to the billion Chinese!

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

Vasil Zahariev Who can't access KZbin... If you want rare, go looking for Icelanders!😉

[@Gabrong]

De pont ez..?

[@majorjakker4666]

Ezzel állunk szolgálatba mai napig.

[@ROGUE-Two-Actual]

I guess the military version is just called the "KGP-9" Here's footage it in use: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5mtiKB6n6ihZrM

[@ErnestoPresso]

Always love me some hungarian weapon video

[@MeshFrequency]

Looks like a love child of AK and Uzi.

[@DesertOwlForge]

The reason FEG used this design is their familiarity with the AK and the similar tool requirements. FEG is also a gas furnace manufacturer (or was at the time when they manufactured firearms). It was a common practice during the communism to pair ordinance manufacturing with domestic manufacturing that used similar technology.

[@budasardi4701]

This is the Komondor.We are using just this gun in the Hungarian Prison Service.I spent years with it in the towers.

[@PollyMercocet]

They should update this to accept CZ scorpion mags instant hit overnight especially if it could be had at $650 msrp

[@TheMarci201]

Actually the military police today uses this gun. I have asked two MP guys on the streets of Budapest.

[@forestalfrank1074]

Praised be Gun Jesus!

[@1through11]

A nagymamámtól kérdeztem erről a dolgról, mivel a nagyapám egy szegedi fegyvergyárban dolgozott Szeged közelében. tudta, hogy valami korai moduláris kalashnikovról van szó

[@1through11]

is a futuristic kirpaly

[@kendon81]

makes sense if you think about, if your military's main rifle is an AK why not make an SMG based on it so the military will be more inclined to adopt it as it would reduce training as the people it's going to be issued to will already be familiar with the AK.

[@ringingsteel2432]

A million times better than the 9mm ak’s I saw at SHOT this year.

[@RustedCroaker]

​@@bmstylee There is a ton of them. Look at the Vityaz-SN for example.

[@zacharyrollick6169]

@Bob Overgassed.... blowback?

[@OneShotNick92]

Thats a nice smg

[@smallign]

The magazine looks very much like polish pm-84 in 9mm para.

[@smallign]

blumenkameraden i know its the same cartridge but Ian mentioned that the magazine is proprietary but in my opinion it looks very much the same as pm-84. And trust me, there is a lot 9mm para guns with different magazine styles.

[@Coastal_Cruzer]

I don’t know why I’m so filled with joy every time you post a video of a gun from Hungary... but I’m happy

[@GaryGordon91]

This design was made purely out of bureaucracy in the 1980s. They somehow managed to get better testing results than a UZI or MP5. SOOO Many mistakes were made... after a bit of use, the folding stock tends to snap open while firing. While unloading the gun, it's possible that the live cartridge will end up in the firing control group. The magazine buttplate tends to fall of while running. The charging handle tends to bite if you have to manipulate it fast. The plastic handguard is a big bulky unergonomic thing, and if you open the folding stock it will hit your fingers pretty hard. If you take off the sheet metal top cover you have to zero the sights. The magazine catch is so big and light that you will loose your magazine if you are unlucky. The firing selector is really a bad design... You want to engage the safety after semi or auto? Well good luck finding the middle position after this bad boy gets so loose that the selector just slides around on it's own.

[@shawnr771]

Copying the basic AK layout makes a lot of sense. The similarities would mean less training time for soldiers who had AK experience. Basically same operating principles and disassembly procedures.

[@vandor1976]

The designer was Horvath Andras. He was working for FEG the Hungarian weapon factory. Yes Ian was right as usual because the FEG produced the AK for the Hungarian needs so the FEG used the same tools. The prototypes of the kgpf-9 were ready in 1988. The biggest user of the weapon the Hungarian prison service and Hungarian army has some. Was/is? service in Afganistian. I did not find any source for the production numbers or combat use.

[@andraselias995]

I've found the following on hungarian wikipedia: The gun was designed by Ferenc Földi (ret. colonel), who was also - among others - the designer of the "Gepárd M1" anti-material rifle. (The other guns in the family - M2 to M6 - were designed by József Szép) The KGP-9 submachine gun was made only in small numbers because of the bad financial situation of the FÉG company and because the Hungarian police - the potentionally biggest user - didn't accept it. (rather bought foreign products) It was finally accepted by the Hungarian Army (MH) in 2004, but it's only used in very small numbers. The produced guns went mostly to detention officers in prisons.

[@andraselias995]

And I've found much more infos (about the design history and others) which I can gladly translate for you Ian, if you're interested.

[@A.lasdair]

Praised be Gun Jesus.

[@thisguy41487]

Ali praise be, praise be.

[@alidashti4724]

Ali and ali

[@ringingsteel2432]

aBren

[@joshuabrown7815]

What if gun Jesus is just regular Jesus? These are the real questions people.

[@samueldallaire5515]

Praise be.

[@TheAlmostbob]

When you don't sleep but you're the first person to view a FW video!

[@keksimus__maximus]

Bojler eladó!

[@2aEdu]

Ian. AKM 63. AK 55. AK 63d. AK 63f. AMD 65. Not AMD 63.

[@2aEdu]

amd 63. A made up franken gun mix of the AMD 65 and Akm 63. Yes it exists in the USA. But not a Hungarian model

[@matthayward7889]

Ian sounds genuinely excited about this gun!

[@nickwashburn723]

In reference to the front hand grip being removed, if it was meant to be used in the US then it would have to be defined as a pistol, and you can't have a vertical foregrip on a pistol because they're defined by a firearm that is designed and intended to be shot with one hand (yes, I know we all shoot handguns with two hands ideally but this is the definition in US federal law). This is why you'll never see a vertical foregrip on an AR pistol. The ATF came out and said that angled foregrips (like the magpul AFG) are OK for whatever reason, but if you put a vertical foregrip on an AR pistol it becomes a short barrelled rifle and they come after you.

[@BigShaneGillis]

There is something to be said about the sheer beauty of the aesthetic simplicity of this smg

[@ga-america5030]

Ian says AK 35 times, don't believe me count 😂

[@ObsoleteVodka]

Drinking game!

[@TheCokoll]

Jan, if you can, take a look at PP-19 Bison. It is a very similar ak-based Russian SMG with interesting cylindrical mag

[@zsom1987]

I kind of wish the next cod would have this 😆

[@vncube1]

It's like an Eastern European Beretta M12 :) Please shoot it!

[@brendanireland5561]

"You see Ivan, when make Kalashnikov small it will fit nice in box of lunch."

[@akosmaradi5281]

Hungary is not a slavic country...

[@Thrawnmulus]

the Walther MP47 the H&K MPL74 the Kalashnikov MPL5

[@garetz2011]

An AK hammer using compression spring was used on the czech Skorpion (the AK hammer is, in fact, a Browning hammer; Kalashnikov just copied the Browning hammer).

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

An AK Midget... never seen one of those before...!

[@derekhenschel1632]

Michael Berthelsen the ak 74u is an ak midget. Have you seen one?

[@derekhenschel1632]

Typo......

[@kopasznyaku]

Meggymagköpő. Jópofa. Motoros rendőröknek nem volt ilyen? Küldöttségek gardírozásához ...

[@victoriavilulf5058]

He’s just flexing by pulling out that AK-74 as a reference point.

[@chitoryu12]

*clatter* ".....the charging handle is a separate piece."

[@Optimore]

So this thing is like a hybrid of one of those weird MAC-10/Uzi cartoon combo guns and an AK. I like it.

[@Slartybartpharst]

Pretty much stands to reason that if you already have a factory full of AK tooling and someone asks you to make a closed bolt SMG, anyone with a single gram of sense would sit down and think "how can we do this with the absolute minimum of new tooling and expense?" Enter, this thing.

[@feritales5756]

If you are a Hungarian resident and check your gas heater or burner in your home, 90% it says "FÉG" on the front. :D The company is now bankrupt, but their fire burns on inside millions of homes. Gas ranges, boilers, any gas appliance, basically. :)

[@BigSlanko]

I've seen these for sale here in Canada. Interesting how many AK similarities it has and yet we can't have most AK's (Valmet's don't count according to the horse cops).

[@CaptainGrief66]

The kinda ungly child of an AK and a Uzi, some in the comments already pointed out how it sorta looks like a blocky version of the Walther MPL.

[@davidbliss8352]

Why must all smg’s be blowback operation? All pistols, with the exception of a few cheapies, fire from a locked breach and are lightweight. Can we not use recoil operation in a slightly larger format? Can we not have gas operation? Why are we forced to use blowback in these situations? It’s not 1901 anymore. Why must every smg be a heavy clunker with a stone age method of mechanical operation? Even the mp5 which I think fires or at least can fire with a closed bolt is still blowback. Why!? It can’t just be cost because handguns are very popular and are not expensive. They all use a locked breach. With the exception of a few cheapies. MP5 uses a fluted chamber to make up for the shortcomings of the blowback system, can we not just have a locked breach? WTF am I missing? It’s not like blowback guns are significantly less expensive. What gives? I mean it made sense with the Sten. Trying to build as many weapons as possible in a wartime situation, okay I get that, but it’s half a century later. Why can we not have a lightweight shoulder-fired weapon with the same modern technology that every other form of weapon uses? Sure maybe accuracy is a factor, but how accurate does a smg or pdw need to be? More accurate than a glock? Seems like that is plenty accurate enough.

[@Grayfox988]

In truth this gun is more of a product of apathy. Developed by underpayed, state-employed arms designers with an uncertain future after the dissolving of the Warsaw Pact. The AK-like features are more from a lack of effort, that for operator familiarity, they just couldn't be bothered to work out new stuff for an SMG that will likely not be adopted in large enough numbers, in the atmosphere of post-cold war disarmament and the "privatization" of everything once state owned, including the arms industry and even the military itself. The only story that's sadder is the one of the NGM, the Hungarian 5.56 AK.

[@Beencheeling]

This looks like a H&K

[@calholli]

I wish a company would remake these... I bet they would do well in today's market. I could see PSA selling these for $320... and selling a million of them.

[@doctim111]

It's an AK, no it's an UZI, no its a Czech SMG. I'm confused.

[@Paratroopersteark]

this is why when Mr. AK has a dru ken party with a bunch of Hungarian Gals before comming back to the motherland

In the US, if a pistol has a front grip, it is an NFA weapon classified as "AOW" or "Any Other Weapon". Taking off the front hand grip makes it a regular semi-auto pistol for ATF purposes.

[@egyeneskifli7808]

Hungarian industry proved, that an AK can be totally unreliable. Just like this SMG. Not surprising it went out of service fast. This something was a total mess.

[@brunonickert439]

For me its a simple UZI-Copy and has absoutely no AK-ish style in and outside. So i cant follow your preferred AK-ish philosophy speech..

[@captainslut.1650]

I've seen some ugly guns, but damn,this thing takes the cake.

[@felixchaus]

Hi Could it be why this is so AK like, that central europe and usa are basically only areas that are military/weapons trained with something else than AK Middle east, africa, some of asia, former soviet countries are all trained with AK´s so it would be easy to sell new SMG to half of the world by a reason of "no need to change training, if they learned AK, hand them this and it is possible to operate and maintain it without any additional training"

[@singami465]

I'm pretty sure it's actually called "KGP-9".

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I believe the F suffix designates a semiauto model.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

+Forgotten Weapons It standa for 'félautomata'. literally half-automatic.

[@bobthelonghairedboi5425]

I'd buy it , it looks like a fun little plinker and it looks nice too!

[@MilitarySeeman]

A firearm lover guy from Hungary: This gun is made around the "system change" period (1989-1991), and designed for Law Enforcement use, and the similarities between an AK and this is highly reasonable: The Goverment are want a submachine gun, which is very similair to the AK, so the potentional users are not need extra training to use it. For further information, please contact to "Gábor Vass" the main editor of the Hungarian Firearm Magazin "Kaliber". Homepage of the "Kaliber" Magazine: www.kaliberinfo.hu/ I even remember about this gun from the Magazine, they have a much more information about it. The "Kaliber" Magazine has have a Facebook Page, a youtube channel, and lot more, and I think they can speak english, and most of them are idolizing with the U.S weapon laws. So, probably you are going to be welcomed here. ;) (I'm just a Hungarian who watched your video, I'm not part of the "Kaliber" magazine team, corporation, or whatever.) Please guys, like my post, I really want to be visible for Ian. Welcome from Hungary, keep it up the channel Ian!

[@foffplease3944]

Saying this is an ak is like saying all revolvers, pistols, carbines, rifles are the same. There are so many guns that share the same construction methods, this is no different but it is quite different to an ak.

[@supersonicbros23]

Looks a lot like the Macht 37 from Metal Gear Solid 5,

[@richardsolberg4047]

I would say AK and a MAC 10 , got together , same flat stamped receiver , bolt barrel very Mac ..

[@ADRay1999]

How long has this sub machine gun been in service, and has Hungary exported this Weapon?

[@therugburnz]

Two down thumbs is two hours. Why, they don't like folding things?

[@davidhonfi2683]

wow i have never even heard of this thing

[@themerchantofmandalore]

Ian, what is going on with your shirt?

[@moosemaimer]

It's like a Chinese mystery polo... someone had a buttoned collar *described* to them, but hadn't actually seen one, and then set about making it.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

It's a surplus Finnish army shirt.

[@Kr-nv5fo]

And it's more of an undershirt that would have a collared jacket on top of it.

[@themerchantofmandalore]

Forgotten Weapons Thank you sir!

[@themerchantofmandalore]

Mäkirannantörmä Thank you! I looked it up with the name info you provided.

[@VulpeRenard]

Your Walther MPL seems to have a big of a gland problem.

[@andrewwaterman9240]

So you could try to put it on Safe, but accidentally put it on Full Auto? That might could be awkward. Also, do I see a stamp on your right hand? Clubbing? Party on, Ian!

[@josephaugustine4876]

Andrew Waterman there is no full auto on that particular gun.

[@andrewwaterman9240]

Joseph Augustine. Yeah, I know, but Ian was describing the Full Auto position on a gun capable of that, hence my comment.

[@minecrafthacker9582]

it looks like a tec 9 and a kalashnikov had a baby!

[@brian-8674]

Its like a cross between an ak an mp5 and an uzi.

[@Grayfox988]

Also another reason it's so AK-like is that arms DESIGN was virtually non-existant in Cold War Hungary. Every small arm was a clone of some Soviet firearm (or Western in case of FÉG's PP and HP clones), actually designing a gun from the ground up was something that the Hungarian arms industry was never meant to do. So the reason they didn't build an open-bolt SMG was because that generation of small arms designers actually didn't know how to make one, and they had no incentive to figure it out.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

I could make one in the garage. That is not an argument.

[@andrewlee-do3rf]

AK-47: Luke, I AM UR FATHER!!!!! KGPF-9: NNNNNNNNOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....wait, wuh? ok that's actually cool

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

So it's a 9mm ya can do the iconic ak reload with, nifty.

[@36Erkanator]

It looks like a prop from a bad dystopian sci-fi movie.

[@kohinarec6580]

Hey wait a minute... Do i detect the old shirt of plate??

[@VegasCyclingFreak]

Cool SMG from the country my parents came from