Hungrybox's Response to Leffen | Short Interview

[@seanweber4252]

"You know when the big bang happened and every millisecond was like an entirely different universe? It's kinda like that after I pop off." - Juan The Conqueror 2022

[@Alex-xf6fq]

That was badass

[@leukashot123]

such a goat

[@kylerclarke2689]

so sick, lmao

[@T2Designgaming]

Honestly, that was some straight Deep Leff shit

[@user-uo9yb2qx8z]

Big Bang no happen.

[@sharsasuke01]

The man really threatened to quit if the entire community didn't impose his stupid rule. LOL

[@shamwow2000]

if he leaves then that's perfectly fine we don't need complaining whiny lil bitches in the scene

[@Sapreme]

BAN JUMPING OR ILL QUIT FOR REAL

[@danielx6960]

Not a man, just a large baby

[@DafasiPsy]

Let him quit. After all his shit, this community would be better off without him.

[@dovahllin798]

Three things: 1. He will never quit pro gaming, he’s useless at anything outside of pressing buttons in video games. 2. If he ever quits, the community will collectively tell him to stay away and dance to celebrate him leaving. 3. He’s a 28 y/o that has never had a job or done anything adult related, which has made him have the maturity of a 8 y/o

[@henryreturns1397]

So about effen : - He gets overseeded on Big House - He gets over rank during the summer - He gets rewarded by not attending tournaments - On 2019 he got 2nd place because “panelist” punish Mang0 and Zain for “over attending” LMAO - Wanted Puff to get banned and always discredit Hbox - And now wants an airtime limit or else he threats to quit? - Also , he is missing the L

[@animlwins5691]

Lmao.

[@RATMOGS]

no leffen dont quit smash need you and your 50000000000000 text characters of complaining per loss it would really suck if you left and no one had to read that shit ever again

[@somebitchfromluckystar]

He himself puts the capital L on Leffen

[@TheeSavagePopIdol]

Leffen is always perpetually holding L’s because of his shitty narcissistic attitude and behavior and that still holds true to this day, both in his name as you all pointed out and in character. It’s kind of shitty that really good dudes like hungry box and m2k unintentionally enabled this sort of behavior by not just holding Leffen accountable for his actions right now. Smash community’s biggest problem and it’s all because the status quo is “Leffen is an asshole” and people just accept it. Good opera, I suppose 😂😂😂.

[@frogmouth2]

Incredible punchline

[@sora_2342]

Basically leffen doesn’t want puff to jump…. I love hbox his response is 100% accurate, leffen is a big baby and needs to man up no one else is whining about the rules and puff.

[@TakumiJoyconBoyz]

Leffen is to Melee as Punk is to... every other fighting game. When he wins, he says it's his skill, every single time he loses he blames the game or says the other person cheated.

[@Healer0079a]

Also the puff wasn't the one who even won the tournament. It was a Marth.

[@coolyeh1017]

@@Healer0079a but Leffen lost to a puff, which is why he is ranting.

[@loggchop4478]

He complains about Marth as well

[@syler1993]

Leffen does cry alot but tbf everyone hates puff and how hbox would abuse the rules. However hbox has never talked shit about anyone

[@Rj-ij6ko]

I gotta say, i really respect the hell out of Hbox. Even after everything this community (Leffen included) have done to him, he doesnt have any negative feelings towards him.

[@smores56]

I definitely wouldn't say HBox doesn't have negative feelings towards Leffen, more that he's just being very mature.

[@Magic0YT]

is the melee community that should respect hbox more, sure he is not perfect but so do they.

[@John-nk3ej]

imagine having respect for hbox lol

[@ThatSneakman]

@@John-nk3ej imagine having this take lmao

[@wooplaw1080]

@@John-nk3ej imagine not having respect for hbox lol

[@militarygradepotato]

In case you missed what leffen said he wasn't even talking about ledge stall but limiting "air time" lol, and he was saying that if the rules aren't changed he will stop competing. Leffen trying to give to's an ultimatum for enforcing "air time" limit. Such a sore loser. Also it's at the end of the leffen hbox set. Worth a watch to see leffen nearly break out in tears talking about air time lol.

[@ChronJay]

I love how he goes out of his way threatening to quit when he doesn’t even play lol

[@shadowlLink]

Thanks for the heads up bro is malding

[@WesleyFiles]

I dunno about tears, but the rest sounds right.

[@Lordin_]

wait, so we can literally just keep doing what we are doing and the annoying whining mosquito is going to quit whining? THATS A WIN WIN SITUATION FOR US BOYS

[@BURRDAWG_]

Leffen has always been a sore loser.

[@jonteguy]

Leffen is very good, there's no denying that but trying to find excuses to a loss is such bad sportmanship. I'm Swedish too, my national pride isn't even in the way. The guy is wrong, very talented player in multiple games but you can't ask for certain characters to not use their strengths, that's ridiculous. "We need to put a limit on how much space Fox can cover within a second, he's too fast." I'm aware that's an exaggerated example but it's basically what he said himself. Like..C'mon. Skärpning Leffen.

[@FrankEShaw05]

Its like saying their should be a limit to how many times falco can use laser to approach because its too good and easy even though other players are beating falcos that do that

[@IchigoKurosaki911]

@@FrankEShaw05 "Can we please put a limit on stomp into knee? Falcons are winning too much."

[@psymar]

I've been learning Swedish, what's Skärpning?

[@johanneshagglund1819]

@@psymar It comes from: Skärp dig, which can roughly be translated to "get it together". Skärpning would be more like: "shape up". Not the most common word you'll hear. Good luck with your journey to learn Swedish!

[@maikidot]

@@IchigoKurosaki911 Sheik ftilt into fair is now only allowed 4 times per match.

[@P3R50N4]

Really mature response from Hbox

[@TheEMASSEY]

I love how the commentators were like "um yeah that didn't happen" when leffen was crying on the mic, totally shut him down. Then he had to pull out the threat of not playing if new rules aren't introduced, like who cares!

[@Rain1]

I'm tired of hearing him whine and cry about everything that doesn't go his way. There's a reason why there are so many Leffen haters. If he quits, we won't be sad, rather, it would be a celebration that he would finally be out of the community.

[@natanaeldavila4650]

Nah, I would still be sad if that happens.

[@coolyeh1017]

I'll be sad about the Melee we will lose, but otherwise, I wouldn't mind losing his toxicity, bad takes, or harassment. Leffen is a vital part of Melee history regardless though, but he needs to mature, his old storyline has passed it is time for a new chapter and I do hope Leffen, if he plans to continue participating, matures with the times.

[@MatthewJones-pz9nx]

@@coolyeh1017 he’s literally a cyber bully to so many fighting community figures. Sure he is part of melees history, but that doesent excuse his behavior, and it should not be welcomed in the smash community, it only hurts it.

[@coolyeh1017]

@@MatthewJones-pz9nx I don't disagree with what you said. I essentially said that if Leffen wants to be in the community, he needs to mature and stop his petulant behavior. Furthermore, he will need to discourage his fans from doing the same bad habits he does.

[@juniperrodley9843]

I just want him to get better about this :/

[@iiXanxusii420]

Dude was trying to stop puff from jumping wtf

[@juniperrodley9843]

"how DARE you play your character and actually ask me to use counterplay"

[@darknesswave100]

Of course he was. Cause that's who he is and always had been. A whiny little manchild who throws a hissy fit when he loses to the point of sticking a bottle in his mouth would be the only way of shutting him up

[@iiXanxusii420]

@@darknesswave100 I agree

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

Cool to see how much Hbox has matured. Leff is EXACTLY the same as he’s always been

[@utikt]

Yeah everyone made the same mistake of trying to beef with him in the past but you just can’t win he has too much experience getting into stupid arguments lol

[@darknesswave100]

@@utikt I've always heard the saying of don't get into an argument with stupid people cause they'll just beat you with experience lol

[@utikt]

@@darknesswave100 there’s the saying I couldn’t for the life of me remember it rofl thanks

[@madduxnagel6935]

@@utikt "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." -Mark Twain

[@nuave]

Respect and well said to Hbox. Somebody in chat said "Can you really blame Leffen for being egotistical?" and I said, "Yeah because every time he loses he johns" Leffen, you need to grow up. Nobody wants this kind of behavior any more. If it's Hbox or you, I'm choosing Hbox.

[@iansamuel1811]

glad to see 15 years later, people are still saying "johns"

[@darknesswave100]

He's such a crybaby too. When he wins he goes off but when he loses its all excuses and the game's fault. Like grow up or leave cause nobody likes a whiny little bitch

[@theillusionist1494]

@@iansamuel1811 I still really want to know what John is up to nowadays

[@iansamuel1811]

@@theillusionist1494 whose it named after?

[@theillusionist1494]

@@iansamuel1811 As far as I’m aware, the phrase originated from a friend group that included somebody named John, who, whenever he lost, would always make excuses, particularly phrased like complaints. Over time, they just started saying “no johns” as a substitute for “no excuses,” and the phrase spread through the Melee - and, eventually, the larger Smash - community. One guy was so salty after so many matches that his name has been synonymous with the word “excuse” for about two decades, and that’s still really funny to me.

[@IchigoKurosaki911]

Leffen got destroyed in the talk and the walk, guy needs to man up, even Cody didn't give mald this tourney.

[@moody07]

he malded on twitter

[@jasongts]

I wouldn’t say cody was malding, he was just sad about the bad things that happened in his life and how it kept affecting him this year unless you aren’t talking about that (I don’t follow him and I only saw the thread he made).

[@schnibist]

@@jasongts trauma dumping on twitter 5 seconds after getting 3-0'd is kinda like malding

[@jasongts]

Ok that’s fair lol

[@moody07]

​@@jasongts he bitched about how mango prejohned before their set while mango played well during their set and 3-0ing ibdw

[@patricksalone5871]

I liked Homemade waffle’s response to this. He felt that if you really wanted to, you could essentially complain about a similar issue just with any other character, and that if we were to follow Leffen’s rules it’d just be a domino effect where we eventually go through the entire roster honey combing over anything that isn’t entirely fair in the slightest. Leff has his right to complain like everyone else, but nobody is going to take you serious when you’re arguing with commentators after a very recent loss. Dude needs to just sit and lament for a bit without jumping to Twitter.

[@juniperrodley9843]

Similar vibes to Esam going through every character in Ultimate to explain how every last one of them is carried by *something*

[@chrispham6599]

@@juniperrodley9843 yet still

[@Sapreme]

@nan5mj mango said it best when leffen cried about marth being unwinnable for fox. Proceeded to beat zain twice to win summit with fox, and went on mic "Leffen can suck my fat dick"

[@TheLeaf1]

@nan5mj tell me you know nothing about the puff fox matchup without telling me you know nothing about the puff fox matchup. Hbox was absolutely the one camping Leffen, not the other way around. Leffen lasers because no character except maybe marth has the tools to approach puff by the ledge and challenge her air stalling. He is not lasering to "camp" hbox, the camping is the other way around. Any outplay or mistake challenging Puff's air stalling and you will lose your stock, meanwhile at best you get a single aerial into another mixup that can cost you a stock or get 1 more aerial. The ruleset does need to be changed. It needs either a TO/ref to determine air stalling or a relevant shorter timer. Honestly there's even an argument to ban Puff altogether because she is always the source of every ruleset and TOing issue, whether it's 40 min sets due to stalling and no interactions as in Bananas vs Michael or Pops vs Absentminded, or Hbox and Haunter ledgestalling and getting people to literally want to quit the game (and have in known cases). You know it's a problem when even Fox doesn't have the appropriate tools to combat the "strategy" of sitting by the ledge and doing nothing.

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@chrispham6599 still what :v

[@TheDarkYoshi1000]

“When I get a rest I see red” actually love that

[@djbongwater]

aggressively high roading leffen here is such a power move, but boy it never works against that guy. hats off

[@TheOftenElusive]

Diplomatic, came a long way from what I'd expect from him years ago

[@iiWicked]

Hbox grew up and Leffen is still the biggest John in melee.

[@NothingCreative1106]

@@iiWicked You’d be surprised how many people hate Hbox still but im convinced they only know him for his puff. He didn’t even play that campy compared to Leffen who spammed lasers more than he was on ledge… Leffen needs to grow up…

[@rumfordc]

meanwhile Leffen hasn't changed since he was 12

[@benjaminamundson2766]

Pure class. Nothing but respect for Hbox.

[@cooljams_jams]

I don’t root for hbox. But I do like the guy, and props to the humility here.

[@dmandamen6719]

The problem with leffen’s argument is that he wants to make a rule to make it so that he can engage hungrybox more favorably. Hungry box could just as easily argue that Leffen’s shouldn’t be able to Dash dance on the ground forever because it’s disadvantageous for a puff.

[@DannEBae]

Leffen is mad that people got better huh?

[@probablynotleo4340]

crazy

[@ohianaw]

Hes always been like that. salty ahh

[@coolyeh1017]

Even then he still had a very solid performance in this tournament, out performing other top 10 players like Mang0 (okay 11th, lol), aMSa, Wizzrobe, and iBDW.

[@raqu17]

@@ohianaw Watching him play Strive is the same. The top tier characters are "broken, OP, and dont have to work for anything"... Until he mains them. Then those characters are mid tier and have losing MUs to half the cast. lol

[@darknesswave100]

@@raqu17 the dude acts like he's the best player in every game he plays and then when he gets smacked around he calls foul. It's pathetic to watch

[@dashman8499]

Hbox acts like an adult while Leffen acts like a child.

[@gazclarke3618]

At least box actually asked if he could, didn’t just come take a mic and start talking all that shit like leff did.

[@eragon78]

Leffen is extremely entitled. He acts like he runs the entire scene and can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. He always acts like that. Its super annoying.

[@SophisticatedBanjo]

"I'm working on "Top 10 HBox DIs", got one so far..." is killer

[@reenans2860]

The idea of a air time limit is actually hilarious. I want to see a ground time limit next xD

[@juniperrodley9843]

oh yeah let's go, Melee must become a resource management game where you balance ground and airtime perfectly. the year is TWENTY X--

[@azurda7483]

Bro thought it was Tony Hawk Pro Skater

[@theillusionist1494]

Next Melee major should have two side events with an air time limit and a ground time limit

[@mrchinosofexodar]

What got me the most is when Leffen said "ledge grab limits don't work anymore" - gee Leffen, is it because you lost, so you are looking for the next limit rule so you can come out on top?

[@emeraldgiss]

if we made a rule against stalling then something is going to have to be done about fox Lazer camping.

[@coolyeh1017]

or egg stalling, or Samus recovery stalling, or Peach stalling, etc. like Homemade WAffles said, it is an extremely slippery slope that is worse for the game than it benefits.

[@EmaDgenerationX]

all I'm gonna say is... Hax was right.

[@frogmouth2]

The ending bit of the interview, revealing Hbox didn’t even get first place yet Leffen is malding is the cherry on top.

[@BiohazardScott]

*Using arguably the most broken character in the game*: "Nerf other characters".

[@juniperrodley9843]

the phenomenal character balance Melee is known for :D

[@BiohazardScott]

@@juniperrodley9843 Ikr? Nerf all other characters so I can top 8 with Roy, that's my motto then.

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@BiohazardScott so true

[@najwabendhaou5815]

Not arguably

[@bert6236]

Melee isn't this perfect game that so many people want it to be. Adding arbitrary outside-of-the-game rules like "max. air time" that specifically nerf one character seems truly absurd to me, as someone looking in from the outside. I can understand banning game breaking glitches that freeze the game or something. But nerfing a character that isn't the best with some weird rules? Accept that Melee isn't perfect.

[@ggggg77273]

It's especially weird from Fox mains. It's like they WANT the game to become dull fox mirror matches forever.

[@HispanicatthediscoMTG]

@@ggggg77273 basically. “Don’t do anything that makes my TOP TIER character worry.”

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Melee is pretty unbalanced. The whole meta is about exploiting glitches and bad programming in general.

[@BossFFX1]

@@Yokai_Yuri you have never played the game, and if you have your look on things comes across sad to me

[@juniperrodley9843]

​@@ggggg77273 A lot of people who focus on playing top tiers grow to feel entitled. Specifically, they feel entitled to a winning matchup. They start to feel distressed and frustrated when other people use their characters' tools in a way that messes with them, because avoiding that situation was the entire reason they chose the character they play. Most top tier mains aren't like that, obviously, eg. I just play Nago in Strive cause he has cool animations, but they do exist.

[@LOTGx]

Holy shit this is the best response he could have had. Actually articulate and mature. Fucking wild Hbox's development.

[@nathanmadox3364]

leffen is completely insufferable and only knows how to complain. he cant beat marth so he makes the most obscene claim saying fox losses and switches to shiek. hes bad at a 70:30 match up and blames the rule set. leffen is a plauge to melee and the fact the community rides him so hard is pathetic.

[@hacksignify]

He's always causing problems with other guilty gear players. It's honestly frustrating to watch someone be so good and do nothing but bitch and whine when they don't get their way.

[@Venom-uv5fw]

Mad respect to Hbox, he kept his cool even after missing the fistbump.

[@ComboSmooth]

Big Leff is always full of Big Johns when he loses. It's a meme in itself now. All the casters made jokes about it too even.

[@Simon_E32]

I have never really gotten a concrete answer for this (and I play falco/sheik), but why is the fastfaller playstyle seen as more "valid" than Hbox's? I've heard the "it hurts viewership and viewership is the backbone of melee" thing but I thought the Leffen Hbox set was pretty fun to watch? Idk maybe the fighting game player in me is thinking "whatever works, works" but to me it feels like Leffen is kind of being a baby here.

[@AngryLoser9690]

Because not approaching is lame. You need to do whachu gotta do when somebody is camping you out, and Leffen's narcissistic brain can't comprehend being outplayed so he immediately tries to turn to the viewers to find excuses as to why he lost.

[@Ashragi]

In my experience people coming from Smash think puff is going to be the death of the game, and people coming from street fighter think she’s the most interesting character in the game.

[@theinktician]

@@Ashragi accurate 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@al3ph35]

It's basically a speed thing. Melee attracts most of its players for its incredibly paced combos and blazing fast yet still complex neutral. Puff flies in the face of that, and if you don't actually play puff, it doesn't seem like what hbox is doing is all that hard. It's very clear when you watch mango do a sick 0td string that several really good reads and execution checks went into making it happen, but when hbox gets a bair knockdown into rest it doesn't *seem* nearly as skilled. The "hurts viewership" thing is just straight up not true, when hbox is doing well and is a villain to root against melee has better viewership than ever. Most of the puff hate comes from leffen and his overall influence in the community, as well as some from mango when hbox and mango genuinely hated each other. Mango and Hbox are on better terms now, but I don't really think leffen ever really got over hbox. There was a period in like 2017 or 2018 (I don't really remember) when leffen was genuinely pushing to ban puff. Most of the answer to the question is basically just hbox was very good for a very long time, and people didn't like to see someone who didn't speak to what they like about the game at number one.

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@Ashragi flying footsies ong

[@WhatIDoAsChris]

Talk about a classy ass, sincere, respectful response. made valid points, observations that everyone could agree with (bad matchups/character specific play), and understanding that you aren’t the best all the time. It’s just about getting better as a player, and not “blaming the game/rules/etc”. Seriously Juan, gained a all of my respect in 45 seconds.

[@baxterbingus]

leffen is the only one that plays that way against hbox he’s just mad he can’t be the one never approaching against hbox. he camps, doesn’t approach with hopes to punish almost just as much🤣

[@AL-lh2ht]

@nan5mj Cody is a bit cringe, but Leffen is actually Toxic.

[@Earthenmind]

You should add the Leffen clip and then the Hbox clip after.

[@ADavidJohnson]

Hungrybox has to be so happy Leffen did this because it made everyone forget about the “check the disc” thing

[@damana1000]

The check the disk thing was bad but not as bad IMO, and Leffen ALWAYS post toxic Johns after his lost. The difference here is that he got the mic

[@ADavidJohnson]

@@damana1000 Absolutely. And honestly, it HAS happened before that something small was off about the game version at a tournament. If anyone would notice it by feel, it would be Hungrybox. But, it’s *very* close to johns after you’ve just lost a set, and nobody will remember or care because Leffen did him a huge solid and have him an opportunity to look mature and professional.

[@fjdkslfjdkwhgioperwhgjkoldsf]

That rest did look like it should’ve hit tho. Some Z axis shenanigans. Don’t know what the disk has to do with anything but it’s not like we don’t know melee can be a quirky game sometimes.

[@benjaminamundson2766]

HAHAHA that’s so fucking true. Respect to Hbox for this mature of a response but that’s funny as hell

[@nuave]

Check the disc is funny and I think it's gonna be one of those things people say when weird stuff happens in the game.

[@jstar3382]

Leffen "puff shouldn't be allowed to jump" Literally that's the point of the character.

[@master_ranch_of_the_runnin7289]

Leffen is also the type of guy to say yoshi is better than fox after losing to amsa.

[@starchar9378]

I loved HBox's response to this because I didn't see anything wrong with the match. Especially the game 3 that caused this. HBox had the lead, the onus was on Leffen to approach.

[@Landmasters]

3 and a half years to be exact, Smash n Smash 5 back in 2019 was the last time he beat Leffen before this tournament But yeah, as much as I'd love for Leffen to take his ball and leave, we know he won't. Only way he's leaving is if he gets forced out...and considering TOs are content to let him spread false rumors, cover up the terms of his ban, and threaten players, yeah I ain't holding my breath

[@Healer0079a]

Unfortunately.

[@coolyeh1017]

Another thing I could suggest is that the TOs don't really want to bother Leffen too much by banning him or forcing him out because it isn't worth the headache. It is a case that it is significantly less effort to deal with the fallout than his normal behavior. Of course, that behavior shouldn't be encouraged, but I can get why most TOs don't bother, or cannot afford to bother. Many of them are operating at razor-thin margins (Ludwig here said that he is operating at a 200k loss without the primary sponsor) and have to deal with contracts, securing equipment, venue, vendors, staff, security (especially after the one incident a loser in a Madden eSports game went on a shooting spree), disputes (legal (aka Nintendo) and mundane), etc, that is better to just let the guy compete if he wishes than to fight him, knowing that Leffen will fight back since Leffen does have one of the biggest e-Sports orgs behind him (who are possibly legally obligated to defend him if it is in the contract).

[@AAABattery24]

Probably the best response Hungrybox could have given.

[@Knuckles0918]

Leffen was salty he lost to the one he despises the most, leffen does cry about Xbox all the time with ledge camping and ledge grab limits but nothing worse than losing to the one you know you hate the most. And he let his emotions get the best of him again. Big props to Juan for keeping it mature

[@axloverhead]

Leffen's got the Happy Chaos brainrot from GGST now too lol

[@Emil-Roma]

Puff’s air time is ridiculous… against Marth and others, not against Fox. And I haven’t seen Zain speak a word on this. I might even agree that yes, aerial Puff is a little boring sometimes, but this complaint out of the blue that follows a loss (after Leff beat Hbox multiple times now) is just ridiculous. I swear only Leffen can get me to root for Hbox after shit like this.

[@bluewuppo]

also how tf would an airtime limit work????

[@eragon78]

@@bluewuppo Logistically speaking, the game keeps track of this. You can view your total air time after a game in the stats thing. So you could make some limit of like, "If air time is over X time, then puff loses" or "If air time is greater than X% of gameplay then puff loses". However, gameplay wise speaking, its still a pretty dumb idea. Even if its possible to implement, there is no good reason to actually do so.

[@bluewuppo]

@@eragon78 o yea i was talking gameplay wise. like how would you begin to decide a 'fair' amount of air time. is it different for each character? etc etc

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@bluewuppo I don't think he ever considered applying it to anyone aside from HBox's Puff lmao

[@bluewuppo]

@@juniperrodley9843 omg lol

[@dekaidoku]

i love how not even Melee people are willing to deal with his bullshit anymore

[@coolyeh1017]

I mean if you read any comments from Reddit, twitch, KZbin, Discord, Twitter, etc everyone is shitting on Leffen. It is just that the professional commentators and players took the more mature route and either didn't comment, do what Hbox did, or calmly made pointed rebuttals Leffen had no answer to. It is fine to complain a bit, it is the nature of competitive games/sports, after all, it is what is done after the moment. For example, HBox, Mang0, Armada, iBDW, etc all have their moments in the past, just not as bad as Leffen, but did they sit there and complain for weeks? No, they went back to the grind, trying new things, improving the match-up game, testing new tactics and strategies etc. I'm not saying Leffen didn't do those things (he does make an effort to learn and do better at gameplay), but he is the most vocal and emotional of them.

[@rumfordc]

@@coolyeh1017 what "moments" did Armada ever have that were comparable to Leffen's?

[@coolyeh1017]

@@rumfordc hence why I said that it never got as bad as Leffen but there are moments where he trash talks (notably in pre-2013) , gets upset and hates on a character. But the thing is that he is overall more graceful and is much more reserved.

[@Mumaakil]

GIGACHAD calls him Slim then leaves

[@theotherjared9824]

Leffen reminds me of the Spanish twitch rivals Rust team. They cried about being stomped by the other team, then blatantly broke the rules, cried about getting called out, then forfeit before the tournament finished.

[@SushinokoLive]

at this point LTG has better sportsmanship

[@luiskcomtlam7315]

Hbox dressed like RED scout

[@gusiii864]

Hbox is the trailblazer for the underdogs

[@ManuCuevas]

The true GIGACHAD response.

[@Magoooobly]

3:51 tfw Hungrybox doesn't even know your name

[@YaBoiBillNye_]

Leffen has and always will be a big baby

[@protonskull]

if theres a smash pdf file that didnt get caught. i promise you its leffen

[@brockjungjohan]

“sorry slim”

[@brownishtint]

Leffen tilted off the face of the Earth 😂

[@blastoise8184]

Mango and Hbox have never complained about the game's mechanics. That's simply why they're the two greatest ever!

[@epicgamer5122]

mang0 has and hes my favorite player

[@matthewmullins4046]

@@epicgamer5122 On stream yeah, but he doesn't say it's the reason he lost. Because he knows about the brokenish aspects of the game he works it into his game plan and it's on him to play it out. He knows this.

[@zenLMidnight]

Hbox is not the legend we wanted, he is the legend we needed

[@jimb0blip]

Thank you based Hbox

[@securatyyy]

My controller died Someone walked in front of the TV Pizza got delivered Mom needed something My stepsister was stuck You're laggy bro There was a knock at the door

[@brettmullen8374]

it reveals alot that hbox talks about the aftermath of his pop-offs like post nut clarity

[@somedudethatdoesthings8057]

that's the funniest concept ever holy shit

[@jonathanmolina1169]

It’s like we have to put a limit on the amount of shines you can do with fox, every character has its strengths and weaknesses

[@masterfreeze1054]

Luddy bringing up Slug was low key a jab at Leffen for not being good at gracefully maneuvering to the opponent lmao

[@PommiMaisteri]

Hax was right

[@Alex-xf6fq]

Leffen trying to get hbox banned at this point.

[@HieronymousLex]

100%, and you all treated him like shit

[@23mrbee]

@@HieronymousLex he accused Leffen of being a Nazi

[@COIN_a]

@@23mrbee He said a lot of wild things, but that wasnt one of them

[@23mrbee]

@@COIN_a he straight up showed a text message he sent to Mike Hagar saying he thinks Leffen read Mein Kampf.

[@jackjackson7537]

I would love to jump on the train of being civil and articulating points clearly, but as a long time Hbox fan, all I can say is LETS FUCKIN GO JUAN!!! Keep up the great work and shake off the haters. We (the fans) are happy for you man

[@islandurth]

Hbox, you're an impressive person. I respect your mindset

[@AmAxel35]

You guys didn't know? In his past life, Leffen was trying to get throws banned in SF2

[@WriteSound]

Hbox has "post pop-off clarity" lol

[@retrossbm9219]

These damn fox players man... always complaining about something

[@Healer0079a]

Yep. Nothing new there.

[@dippahh9064]

I love what Hbox said in the beginning, because you know for a fact that if leffen took that set he would've simply said ggs, shook his hand, and moved on. But he lost so he has to throw a little bitch fit about the ruleset, the same exact ruleset Zain played on and beat Hbox right after.

[@SenatorDodo09]

Melee community has given hbox so much shit over the years for so little and leffen does shit 10x worse and stays in the community for free. This man child gotta learn his lesson man

[@thegoodgeneral]

Ludwig is one of the best things to happen to this community.

[@YURTZYN42]

I appreciate hbox'es response and he is total chad. Hbox only plays "lame" as a last resort and he is more aggro than most ppl give him credit for. The thing with the air time limit though that I think ppl are missing is.. I don't think leffen is complaining on his OWN behalf, but more on behalf of I dunno, a big chunk of the cast who literally cannot contest with puff when puff air camps. IBDW made a video on this as well going over this type of thing objectively stating "yeah, the top tiers can deal with this just fine. It's the others that literally cannot interact with puff AT ALL."

[@Alaspooryorick98]

I think you don't have the history of context of Leffen putting out his crappy opinions after getting bodied lol

[@Dytanious]

This might be a hot take but lowkey if hbox Mained literally any other character, everyone would love him. Crazy how a character can piss you off so much. I hate jiggs but Juan’s cool.

[@BrayDONee0]

I'm not gonna lie, when I first got into melee, I didn't like hbox, I didn't like his playstyle. But as I've learned more about the game and played more and become a better player, I respect hbox just as much as players like amsa, axe, wizzrobe, etc. Honestly a true professional who understands competition and sportsmanship at a fundamental level. How could you not respect that?

[@Armo_93]

Leffen always staying true to his roots as a toxic crybaby. What a joke

[@bullseye-]

You know Leffen is malding rn

[@sorenshawnsen]

There needs to be a leffen limit honestly. Man's too much.

[@dagan_gsodas]

I hella respect hungrybox lol, im a returning jigglypuff main, and hes my main inspiration. I watched a video on this guys story, and i thought of my friends making fun of me for playing jigglypuff, and i thougt, fuck it, do what I want. Thank u

[@pokeslim]

Leffen: I'm quiting melee if something isnt done about puff air stalling. Me: Nothing of value has been lost.

[@orionwebster8727]

Honestly great mentality coming from the rest main. Jokes aside, respect tho. I actually would love to see a back and forth between Hbox and Leffen that isn't just a fight but like an actual conversation. The way Hbox puts it, it frames Leffen like he is saying he is so much better at fighting that he should win 100% of the time with a better ruleset or something.

[@Mama_Peach]

Extremely classy response. Good on Hbox

[@tormint5294]

I love leffen's play but he really either gotta decide he's not playing the game or play it despite flaws. Also hbix didn't abuse stalls this set if I'm not mistaken? Just Plätze game or don't, this was just very disrespectful and unsportsmanlike.

[@slyp4494]

Leffen is king of the Johns

[@IronMoose95]

Ludwig is just Dennis from Always Sunny, this is insane

[@jpVari]

Dang I expected not to like this but his statement was wonderful. Yeah.

[@Dragon123Sam]

Leffen needs to grow up tbh.

[@jdaustin7800]

best part of this was at 4:00

[@James45545]

⚰️

[@mitch.e2960]

HBox Should've Just said "No Johns" and walked off

[@emanuelzbeda1420]

I aspire to have the sportsmanship and temperance HBox has.

[@danielfrydman1136]

can you post the leffen clip?

[@jg6551]

it’s on vgbootcamp, leffen clip is the last several minutes of the video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boGcZJqFfNt0q7s

[@ucd2465]

melee beef is hilarious

[@chrisludwig4729]

I don't enjoy Hbox's playstyle, but honestly I fail to see what was wrong about that set. If Leffen doesn't want to play Melee because he has to deal with 1 puff main that plays in a way he doesn't like (and to be fair Leff has been very consistent about rule changes over the years)... then maybe Leff's time with competitive Melee is done. Make a change because clearly the scene isn't going to ban Hbox's playstyle.

[@jeddcrapper8090]

Love Juan for this shit

[@rubadub15]

Honestly bro why does the community entertain Leffen’s shenanigans.

[@darknesswave100]

Probably because it would be easier to just deal with him than outright get rid of him. Cause knowing him he'd play the victim if he did get say banned from playing at all and everybody knows it. So it's just easier to deal with him acting like a spoiled and egotistical child then him playing the victim which he's done before