The state of Melee in 2024.

[@fo2389]

I find it funny how Coney calls videos movies.

[@fauxdude9756]

real dad energy

[@eraykaan]

good book

[@RobbieAudet]

BECOS THEY ARE MOVIES CHATTER

[@hyperventalated]

Cinema

[@caseysummers3437]

I have been calling videos movies for years. I am so happy to see it

[@Xanek]

It's surprising and not surprising that Coney didn't know that Roy was a very dtilt heavy character

[@Sugarist0]

This sentence makes 0 sense but yet I 100% understand what u mean

[@TedjiroKamado]

@@Sugarist0you fluent in not making sense? They aint teach that at my college.

[@TheRealGeorgeCostanza]

@@TedjiroKamado seems like they did.

[@Sonick92]

Smash is changing pretty fast given that it's still large and holding for this long. P+ (PM's legacy) is still going strong and easily has the best QOL of any smash game.

[@RawrJaayZ]

I find it super crazy cuz coney played so much pm

[@christiancanada4772]

Binged all of AsumSaus’s videos last week. I HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMEND his videos if you are a fan of smashbros, a fan of melee, or even a fan of game design itself. His movie (nearly an hour long lol) on Amsa was cinema

[@speertime]

I don't even play or watch a lot of Melee, but his videos are very entertaining

[@musicdev]

That aMSa vid is art. I make sure to give that a watch every few months

[@DrunkenHotei]

FlameIsLucky has a great aMSa doc too, as well as one on mang0 in response to EmpLemon's video claiming Hbox was the last standing of the 5 gods.

[@betanick14]

2:06 legit the most touchable looking wire ever. It's so front and center even looks plugged into a socket.

[@infernox1099]

You may touch it... Once.

[@betanick14]

@@infernox1099 🤔

[@atwistedb]

​@@infernox1099the shitty genie strikes again

[@4546Bean]

The first time donkey Kong has been a dlc character lmao

[@Captain_Bobvious]

I've got a Coner

[@illford]

HUH?!?

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

Most cursed comment award

[@lorinlonike2378]

Mods, give this guy the night off

[@thakillah301]

conerhaver

[@TedjiroKamado]

@@lorinlonike2378🔄✊🏾

[@OgreDLink]

I should point out old CRT TVs are also convex. Meaning the glass that displays it is actually bulbed out slightly. My point is recording a CRT from an angle makes the image appear cut off or off center. Random note cuz I finished the video Coney and TK are my favorite commentators for live events.

[@SWAGMONEYMAFIA69]

there are plenty of flatscreen crts

[@OgreDLink]

@SWAGMONEYMAFIA69 the one in the shot wasn't though and those weren't very common

[@Sonick92]

​@@OgreDLink Basically they were competing with plasmas because flatscreens getting made post 1998 meant flatscreens were "expensive" compared to curved screens. Rich people got the plasmas and your TV from 94 still worked. Sony stopped making CRTs in 2006, but most others stopped in 2008.

[@OgreDLink]

@vwtdi1579 the one kid on the street with a Sony plasma thinking they were so cool lol

[@Sonick92]

@@OgreDLink I have a magazine with circuit city ads from 2004. Your 24+ inch flatscreens were in the $600+ territory. The 32+ got into the $1k+. Your 32" widescreen plasmas were $4k!!!!

[@tymunster]

Coney talked for so long in the middle of this i was shocked when I heard AsumSaus' voice again

[@limitedbom2206]

just to piggyback off of what Coney was saying at 15:10, I think the storyline building in Melee was the biggest advantage it had over other games for a long time. For YEARS, they had the storyline of the "5 gods" (Mango, Armada, Hbox, M2k, PPMD) and I think that storyline was great because even if you only played smash, or were just casually started watching tournaments, you could literally see those 5 players played the game differently and there was a clear skill gap from those 5 and everyone else. Then, after the 5 god storyline was going for a while, a new storyline was created. "Who can take down the 5 gods?". We had players like Leffen and Plup who everyone could see were slowly gaining ground, slowly inching their way up the ladder and getting closer and closer to the skill level of the 5 gods. It's like a story where someone keeps getting so close but keeps getting knocked down until they finally beat their rival and win. At that point everyone is happy they finally were able to accomplish that feat. The only time I think Melee was in a bad spot was in the later 2010s where some of the gods were leaving the scene. Thankfully slippi came out and some new life was breathed into the game, but it was definitely a low point in the game at that time.

[@dlusky878]

Coney i love you

[@pens723]

real

[@atwistedb]

W Rizz?

[@LoopyPooopy]

I love him more

[@pens723]

​@@LoopyPooopy nuh uh I do

[@jakeyfurby]

for Coney:💐✨🌈🪴🍬

[@evilded2]

The thing about melee videos is a ton of things people say about the game are true of almost all old fighting games.

[@SuperCrazyfin]

Yeah but Smash players dont play fighting games

[@smoceany9478]

like what?

[@byrontheusurper6505]

I gotta get more into melee, been watching all the recent asum shorts and they're mad fun

[@Gooddrinko]

"Jigglypuff is the end of melee" coney pls stop listening to leffen

[@guitargirl6323]

That's actually hax$ rhetoric

[@Gooddrinko]

@@guitargirl6323 they both have probably said it it's just leffen who's said it the most

[@evilded2]

12:55 Quiting on low teirs doesn't seem like the mark of the competitive player to me, I feel like more than anyone they have an insensitive not to get memed in bracket because they don't know the matchup. The risk reward to gamble on good bracket luck when you're spending real money to travel and compete.

[@idavid8391]

Watched the AsumSaus video, then watched Coney stream his reaction, now watching the video of Coney reacting to the AsumSaus vid.

[@epicsause21]

When the kirby mains start winning, that's when you know the end times are near

[@trueblueryu5713]

Melee is the only smash game at smash con/supernova that increased in attendance this year, going from 800 last year to 900. 64 stayed basically the same, and Ult, 4, and Brawl dropped in entrants by more than 10%; Brawl didn’t even crack 190 this year!

[@Oh-Ben]

Gone are the days of a super major every other month.

[@cisummusic22]

People still play brawl???

[@MameXLIIIArchives]

​@@cisummusic22yes, check out brawlternative for a modern brawl player who talks about brawl

[@SuperCrazyfin]

People still play Smash 4?

[@MikelboiYT]

Coney should react to the AsumSaus shorts, when they all come out

[@dekusi1857]

babe wake up all the asumsaus shorts are up

[@kittykat1587]

Is it just me, or is coney alot more chill and relaxed this video? Same with chat, they all seem to be less over energetic

[@toxic_shr00m]

"a lot" is two words btw

[@kittykat1587]

@@toxic_shr00m thanks, I never know which is which

[@toxic_shr00m]

@@kittykat1587 No problem, but "alot" just also isn't a word at all. Most people get really upset when I correct them on this so I'm glad you're being kind. 👍

[@lom1991]

He acts more serious than usually

[@09razpup]

good movies hit different and change the vibe

[@youngrootv]

Coney talking about Donkey Kong when he has a Donkey Kong mask in the background of his room, staring into my soul is tripping me out

[@alexanderbateman5581]

I think a big part of the "I don't want to play against low tiers" that's missing is that the *reason* low tiers are bad is because they can't approach. They don't have the tools to beat crouch cancel, they don't have anything safe they can throw out. So anyone who is good with a low tier is just waiting for you to run into their moves, and it's not fun to play against at all. Sure, I COULD spend 6 minutes slowly chipping away at you, or I could just not do that. Also there's Luigi. Fuck Luigi.

[@smoceany9478]

even if you hate most low tiers i really recommend playing against G&W, G&W's problems arent his approach or his punish or anything like that, his issues are that he gets hit like hell and dies instantly, it makes for a game that really plays like a high or top tier matchup even when one character is clearly better

[@namelessresource5782]

Womp womp

[@Landorus100]

Ain't coney the one asking people what the poop butt move is?

[@JustiasFitzgerald]

DK rap is the second greatest video game song of all-time behind only the Buck Bumble theme. Its wild the new generation has nothing remotely close to the quality of either of these masterpieces.

[@TSPIN]

There's so much in common between melee and Guilty Gear Accent core acpr. There was a rollback update and a resurgence back during COVID. All kinds of players got into the game, and while the top of the tier list barely change, we saw a few characters considered low/mid tier win stuff and shake things off. Both games are technical and both have brought back old heads and new ppl in their early 20ies. It's crazy that we all thought the scene would have died with COVID yet we are just back even stronger and healthier

[@ShadeAnris]

Melee and +R casually being some of greatest fighters of all time

[@evilded2]

Love me some +R. I do think people who are exclusively smash players could use some perspective.

[@ckorp666]

they also both have no input buffer, which is why acr can never get solved to the degree xrd did. now if only they could remove kliff, justice, and zappa....

[@evilded2]

@@ckorp666 what are you some kind of Testament apologist?

[@ckorp666]

@@evilded2 i forget about them (thats what the alcohol's for...)

[@FirePuff12]

Coney & Melee? Fuck yeah

[@thenoobsfriend7053]

Thank you Coney for posting videos, just found out my dog has lymphoma today. Your videos have helped me through worse, I will need your help through this one as well. Thank you Coney.

[@macncheese2392]

@5:11 loved PM as well it was great seeing you guys play back then. PM was the beginning of so much for so many.

[@dylanoleary3805]

Coney scrambling to find some excuse when he found out Melee is still growing 😂

[@Air_OK]

Talk about Panda always makes me sad we never got the panda controller

[@DreamcastSoup]

Real

[@flameninja00]

Morsecode762, TheSWOOPER, Wevans, and fknsilver all carry Samus. And on the rare occasion we see Plup Samus, he always does well.

[@Maxx00]

I Falcon Punched fknsilver on my channel, one of my proudest moments lol

[@shadycat8898]

Smash always felt separated from the rest of the FGC, but now it feels like the FGC is the one surging ahead and Smash is the one floating off aimlessly. Or maybe some of us just migrated to the greater FGC and feel that disconnect now.

[@joshthefunkdoc]

Street Fighter 6 & Tekken 8 got great reviews when they came out and have mostly done well to maintain their popularity. Tekken has embraced the model of marketing via famous content creators in NA, and SF6 has done the same in Japan (where it competes with Apex & Valorant in terms of stream numbers). Smash just doesn't have anything like that atm. There's also something to be said for Smash never finding its own Chipotle and relying on shady crypto startups for sponsorships, given how that bubble burst over the past year or two...

[@Male_Parent]

9:30 falcon's knee! The combo ender, flashy and usually gets the job done. I've just started learning captain falcon, he's so fun to play for me.

[@abghen2323]

Haven't seen the video yet but smash in general feels like it's been all a backburner kind of community/event space since 2022, mid 2023 had a bit of that more prominent vibe but not sustained. I feel like it's all a result of the panda stuff and events dropping, not dead but definitely lulled

[@rapidretrovenue563]

this is by far the best review of this asumsauce video to date. Others will overlook or ignore certain parts. Coney really paid immaculate attention to everything.

[@zakk219]

I feel like this happens with a lot of traditional fighting games as well. Older players move on or just don't spend as much time on the game and now the players that have either been playing forever but not at that level or who are new but have the time and access to all of the information gathered over 20 years are able to see better results. I've noticed it in Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, where character specialists have been able to do incredibly well with characters that aren't top 5 simply because they have everything optimized and figured out. It's so interesting to watch.

[@joshthefunkdoc]

Yeah, i refer to MvC2 where Thrillah beat 2 of the 3 gods from that game's prime (Sanford Kelly & Yipes) in FT10s on the same day...playing a team with Iron Man & War Machine. Hell, another top IM player even figured out major new tech recently that takes Cable from "one of Iron Man's best assists" to "basically mandatory if you want to play Iron Man"

[@DIsturbios1234]

Coney makes it sound like playing smash when you're over 30 is pointless

[@JohannesBee]

And he's correct

[@sonicphoenix7]

yes

[@clock3799]

True….

[@carsondubs]

I don't think these guys get the joke

[@Llnstead]

Even the worst melee character is still a melee character which means its fast, has insane momentum, and can fuck your shit up.

[@fx0001]

Nah, bowser is SUPER slow and gets combod to hell

[@dataecto6135]

i remember watching like 5 minutes of the smash doc in like 2014, not really liking it, and then playing smash on the wii u as ness suffice to say im a street fighter 6 player now

[@alexanderbateman5581]

hey if you keep watching, he starts trying when playing against one of the producers

[@DreamcastSoup]

Melee is wayyy more of a real hardcore fighting game than any other smash. Try out slippi

[@Squidbat]

I love me a good fwd tilt Pokes are always funny to do against players that just wiggle the stick and mash buttons. Simon Belmont's fwd tilt is super fun to just throw out on players that constantly dash in.

[@alexanderlane7863]

Favourite move is bair, just love being able to have someone run into a wall of pain and get an opening off ot

[@OzMotion64]

A Coney Melee movie is literally the best part of my day

[@potatogirlalice]

Worst part of my day melee sucks old ass game

[@OzMotion64]

@@potatogirlalice well I don’t play melee but I love watching Coney talk about it

[@Parpeing]

​@@potatogirlalice would you say you are more mad or sad? Or is it straight up malding

[@victorlinares4137]

Its so funny how an adapter on a modern tv has less lag than a normal crt

[@Frichilsasta08]

What coney says about melee in 4:06 is exactly what makes melee so beautiful...new tech skill, especially defensive mechanics are being discovered every day as the motivation to fully optimize the game continues to stay alive

[@svsv1191]

Reminder that esl wanted to host smash tournaments

[@paulcarroll473]

20:25 DEMIGOD FELLED

[@arthurvergolino6859]

3:46 can't wait for ganondorf's turn!

[@anthonygillette]

5:20 oh hey I caught this on twitch. Glad I’m too not sober to remember the details.

[@RobbieAudet]

Famous smasher smashposting? ICANT

[@peterevans2854]

4:31 Guys you just know Cody before the match was like “A DK player… ez match lol” Or is it 👀

[@samuelsimko4562]

I didn't even know who glock was, and immediately recognized Games Underground because I live in the area and go there for tourneys sometimes lol

[@BraidedInThorns]

2:08 forbiden sting ray

[@Nolan1333]

Man congrats on a decade on KZbin! Man ive been watching you since 2018 crazy its been that long already. I look forward to more content till u decide to stop some day

[@Heattokun]

5:10 soooo is that sleepy?

[@GothJesus]

Id never play smash competitively, I've only ever played super high stock maximum items on 😂

[@thenoseguy]

5:04 SLEEPY

[@electromere3539]

But does June play brawl

[@Zamasuthealmighty]

AsumSaus is the Kurzgesagt of Melee

[@sonicphoenix7]

funded by top players

[@jandaxprss6784]

Check out my young link combo when the album drops with the zilch drop

[@rayzamarripajr.7571]

12:06 been a younglink main since I was 7 (24 now) and i cant tell you how many times people quit on me because im playing with younglink. Also I can play a rush down style while forcing neutral play. 😂

[@peter42466]

The smash community being called rudderless honestly isn’t far enough it feels like we’re on hundreds of tiny boats all connected with only a few people being tos and top players with paddles and the only choice we have is which players we join and who we cut the rope with to make our ideal community. It was all good until the whole panda global vgbc fiasco it felt like we were reaching a golden age of smash but now (through circumstances that you can debate on yourself) we’ve been knocked back like 15 years. The major regions of smash (north America, Latin America, Europe and japan) used to feel more united melee and ultimate finally seemed to be united together there was respect and happiness and like money was starting to exist (and you know mods were being slipped in without Nintendo caring). Unfortunately I feel we learnt the wrong lessons from the end of the golden age now everybody seems to be in it for themselves all just trying to seem as safe as possible cause the blame game is all that’s going on right now in the community and it just shows we’re going in the wrong direction. Instead of all the commentators tos and top players uniting and planning on where to go (you’re kind of an exception to that coney) they all cut ties with people and try their hardest to win the insuring war that’s going on.

[@nicholaswise5818]

GRTr4sh was one of smash 4's greatest treasures

[@user-rc3sw7xk1w]

its the power of no patches, a lot of people playing, AND BROKEN FUCKING PROGRAMMING.

[@olivebandit4401]

my favorite kinda move is probably fair. a good fair or uair and i'm swimming in money

[@DreamcastSoup]

Juggle upairs are money $ i love melee marth

[@TheStickCollector]

Now i can watch this fully.

[@afmetz]

Coney you are my fav content creator

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Pizza is pretty good i guess.

[@FrogFromNS]

while yoshi is a '1 guy' character at top top level there was another yoshi in the top 100 last year, egg$ is my goat!

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Why's the video zoom in at one point

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Coney more like phoney, Playin diddy kong making no moeny

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Berg deeg dalg garlg. Dup deep dongle dong ❤

[@Frank7489]

Mid/low tiers will win a close game on slippi, spam lol, then leave. It can be tilting but it’s also kinda funny. If you think about it, the joke to them is that they could ever win a game

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Dolk digga ding ding 🛎️ bulrg blug bicca blood 🩸

[@MrMitchellTang]

Melee!!!

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Dingle dong doogle dack ❤

[@frapple_apple]

12:18 I played against a Bowser named Mew2King on slippi like 2 years ago and always assumed it was the real guy, but now I'm questioning if it was someone else who just changed their name and down b ledge stalled with Bowser just to make it look legit...

[@ehejddjdjsnsnsn4031]

im like 90 percent sure that grsmash was interviewed with a facecam and everything by EE or someone years ago but it seems to have been wiped from youtube or its some mandela effect

[@buzzedgalaxy]

8:24 ???????

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

I love this Super Smash Brothers game!

[@plabcentral630]

I’m a dash attacker for sure.

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

I too love me a good tick throw.

[@SirCleric]

16:16 shoutout to the dude named "robokyonlyfans69"

[@09razpup]

comments HATE melee

[@Parpeing]

Are you surprised on coney's channel? Lmao Id say the closest thing his viewers like about melee is hbox poppin off

[@DreamcastSoup]

L. Melee is fuckin cool

[@09razpup]

@@Parpeing twitch chat likes melee so its jusr a funny contrast

[@HeftyDan]

How can anyone not like Melee, but then call Ultimate interesting? That's always confused me personally

[@09razpup]

@@HeftyDan probably people who think top level is just fox dittos?

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Ham n cheese sandwich 🥪

[@christophermcpherson7320]

You and coach should play this game

[@captainphoton1693]

I mean. Sometimes no patches are requiered. Look at karnov's revenge. The top tier is really top tier. The lows are low. But. Exactly like in melee the top tiers are fun to play against. So people play other character and don't rage. While a game like brawl would have really needzd the ultimate path treatment. Where agregious stuff Is patched (well. Sonic went through and dlc pass 2 was too late) and bad character get a few number buffs. Just so that the characters stay close enouth that most of the cast is viable to have fun with and expect to win locals against good players. You can also make it look back so hard. Where everyone is so fucking broken. That except some unavoidable shit. You really only need one move to win even with a low tier like on the fist of the north star game.

[@captain_cannoli5566]

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[@NamaTheNerd]

Has Coney watched the ARMS documentary?

[@goodleshoes]

One time i 3 stocked green ranger by wobbling on fd. (I lost the set)

[@spaghettiking7312]

Darkest before dawn.

[@maxterminatehole2086]

the thing i love about smash its gatekeeping culture. from the fan to nintendo itself.

[@YoungSimbaFGC]

NASB 1 Mentioned wooo

[@TeamStudNation1280]

Bet Smash 64 will be on the Switch for the 25th Anniversary

[@Droboto23456]

It would be really funny if smash became like professional wrestling

[@Sonick92]

PM is still going strong.

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Happy birthday 🎉

[@drcheerioshehehe]

Coney peeing

[@tannerthunell6228]

Personally I’m a fan of special moves

[@DG-vb4vn]

This thumbnail makes me so mad and I want to comment about it and engage with the video

[@RecruitMaster]

Papa lobster shown!!

[@SamersonT]

this video made me realize grtr4sh and grsmash are not the same person

[@Jje261YT]

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