The state of Melee in 2024.

[@fo2389]

I find it funny how Coney calls videos movies.

[@fauxdude9756]

real dad energy

[@eraykaan]

good book

[@RobbieAudet]

BECOS THEY ARE MOVIES CHATTER

[@hyperventalated]

Cinema

[@Mr_Casey12]

I have been calling videos movies for years. I am so happy to see it

[@Xanek]

It's surprising and not surprising that Coney didn't know that Roy was a very dtilt heavy character

[@Sugarist0]

This sentence makes 0 sense but yet I 100% understand what u mean

[@TedjiroKamado]

@@Sugarist0you fluent in not making sense? They aint teach that at my college.

[@TheRealGeorgeCostanza]

@@TedjiroKamado seems like they did.

[@Sonick92]

Smash is changing pretty fast given that it's still large and holding for this long. P+ (PM's legacy) is still going strong and easily has the best QOL of any smash game.

[@RawrJaayZ]

I find it super crazy cuz coney played so much pm

[@betanick14]

2:06 legit the most touchable looking wire ever. It's so front and center even looks plugged into a socket.

[@infernox1099]

You may touch it... Once.

[@betanick14]

@@infernox1099 🤔

[@atwistedb]

​@@infernox1099the shitty genie strikes again

[@4546Bean]

The first time donkey Kong has been a dlc character lmao

[@christiancanada4772]

Binged all of AsumSaus’s videos last week. I HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMEND his videos if you are a fan of smashbros, a fan of melee, or even a fan of game design itself. His movie (nearly an hour long lol) on Amsa was cinema

[@speertime]

I don't even play or watch a lot of Melee, but his videos are very entertaining

[@musicdev]

That aMSa vid is art. I make sure to give that a watch every few months

[@DrunkenHotei]

FlameIsLucky has a great aMSa doc too, as well as one on mang0 in response to EmpLemon's video claiming Hbox was the last standing of the 5 gods.

[@Captain_Bobvious]

I've got a Coner

[@illford]

HUH?!?

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

Most cursed comment award

[@lorinlonike2378]

Mods, give this guy the night off

[@thakillah301]

conerhaver

[@TedjiroKamado]

@@lorinlonike2378🔄✊🏾

[@tymunster]

Coney talked for so long in the middle of this i was shocked when I heard AsumSaus' voice again

[@OgreDLink]

I should point out old CRT TVs are also convex. Meaning the glass that displays it is actually bulbed out slightly. My point is recording a CRT from an angle makes the image appear cut off or off center. Random note cuz I finished the video Coney and TK are my favorite commentators for live events.

[@SWAGMONEYMAFIA69]

there are plenty of flatscreen crts

[@OgreDLink]

@SWAGMONEYMAFIA69 the one in the shot wasn't though and those weren't very common

[@Sonick92]

​@@OgreDLink Basically they were competing with plasmas because flatscreens getting made post 1998 meant flatscreens were "expensive" compared to curved screens. Rich people got the plasmas and your TV from 94 still worked. Sony stopped making CRTs in 2006, but most others stopped in 2008.

[@OgreDLink]

@vwtdi1579 the one kid on the street with a Sony plasma thinking they were so cool lol

[@Sonick92]

@@OgreDLink I have a magazine with circuit city ads from 2004. Your 24+ inch flatscreens were in the $600+ territory. The 32+ got into the $1k+. Your 32" widescreen plasmas were $4k!!!!

[@FeedRichards]

Coney i love you

[@pens723]

real

[@atwistedb]

W Rizz?

[@LoopyPooopy]

I love him more

[@pens723]

​@@LoopyPooopy nuh uh I do

[@jakeyfurby]

for Coney:💐✨🌈🪴🍬

[@limitedbom2206]

just to piggyback off of what Coney was saying at 15:10, I think the storyline building in Melee was the biggest advantage it had over other games for a long time. For YEARS, they had the storyline of the "5 gods" (Mango, Armada, Hbox, M2k, PPMD) and I think that storyline was great because even if you only played smash, or were just casually started watching tournaments, you could literally see those 5 players played the game differently and there was a clear skill gap from those 5 and everyone else. Then, after the 5 god storyline was going for a while, a new storyline was created. "Who can take down the 5 gods?". We had players like Leffen and Plup who everyone could see were slowly gaining ground, slowly inching their way up the ladder and getting closer and closer to the skill level of the 5 gods. It's like a story where someone keeps getting so close but keeps getting knocked down until they finally beat their rival and win. At that point everyone is happy they finally were able to accomplish that feat. The only time I think Melee was in a bad spot was in the later 2010s where some of the gods were leaving the scene. Thankfully slippi came out and some new life was breathed into the game, but it was definitely a low point in the game at that time.

[@evilded2]

12:55 Quiting on low teirs doesn't seem like the mark of the competitive player to me, I feel like more than anyone they have an insensitive not to get memed in bracket because they don't know the matchup. The risk reward to gamble on good bracket luck when you're spending real money to travel and compete.

[@idavid8391]

Watched the AsumSaus video, then watched Coney stream his reaction, now watching the video of Coney reacting to the AsumSaus vid.

[@epicsause21]

When the kirby mains start winning, that's when you know the end times are near

[@youngrootv]

Coney talking about Donkey Kong when he has a Donkey Kong mask in the background of his room, staring into my soul is tripping me out

[@byrontheusurper6505]

I gotta get more into melee, been watching all the recent asum shorts and they're mad fun

[@macncheese2392]

@5:11 loved PM as well it was great seeing you guys play back then. PM was the beginning of so much for so many.

[@Youtubehasineptemployeez]

DK rap is the second greatest video game song of all-time behind only the Buck Bumble theme. Its wild the new generation has nothing remotely close to the quality of either of these masterpieces.

[@Mikellboi]

Coney should react to the AsumSaus shorts, when they all come out

[@HECTORCOMEHOME]

babe wake up all the asumsaus shorts are up

[@evilded2]

The thing about melee videos is a ton of things people say about the game are true of almost all old fighting games.

[@SuperCrazyfin]

Yeah but Smash players dont play fighting games

[@smoceany9478]

like what?

[@Male_Parent]

9:30 falcon's knee! The combo ender, flashy and usually gets the job done. I've just started learning captain falcon, he's so fun to play for me.

[@trueblueryu5713]

Melee is the only smash game at smash con/supernova that increased in attendance this year, going from 800 last year to 900. 64 stayed basically the same, and Ult, 4, and Brawl dropped in entrants by more than 10%; Brawl didn’t even crack 190 this year!

[@Oh-Ben]

Gone are the days of a super major every other month.

[@cisummusic22]

People still play brawl???

[@MameXLIIIArchives]

​@@cisummusic22yes, check out brawlternative for a modern brawl player who talks about brawl

[@SuperCrazyfin]

People still play Smash 4?

[@FirePuff12]

Coney & Melee? Fuck yeah

[@kittykat1587]

Is it just me, or is coney alot more chill and relaxed this video? Same with chat, they all seem to be less over energetic

[@toxic_shr00m]

"a lot" is two words btw

[@kittykat1587]

@@toxic_shr00m thanks, I never know which is which

[@toxic_shr00m]

@@kittykat1587 No problem, but "alot" just also isn't a word at all. Most people get really upset when I correct them on this so I'm glad you're being kind. 👍

[@lom1991]

He acts more serious than usually

[@09razpup]

good movies hit different and change the vibe

[@Frichilsasta08]

What coney says about melee in 4:06 is exactly what makes melee so beautiful...new tech skill, especially defensive mechanics are being discovered every day as the motivation to fully optimize the game continues to stay alive

[@abghen2323]

Haven't seen the video yet but smash in general feels like it's been all a backburner kind of community/event space since 2022, mid 2023 had a bit of that more prominent vibe but not sustained. I feel like it's all a result of the panda stuff and events dropping, not dead but definitely lulled

[@TheBeggies95]

Community is infected with unstable people

[@thenoobsfriend7053]

Thank you Coney for posting videos, just found out my dog has lymphoma today. Your videos have helped me through worse, I will need your help through this one as well. Thank you Coney.

[@BF_Brix]

Is your dog doing okay now, bro? Or... are they no longer with us? :(

[@OzMotion64]

A Coney Melee movie is literally the best part of my day

[@potatogirlalice]

Worst part of my day melee sucks old ass game

[@OzMotion64]

@@potatogirlalice well I don’t play melee but I love watching Coney talk about it

[@Parpeing]

​@@potatogirlalice would you say you are more mad or sad? Or is it straight up malding

[@TSPIN]

There's so much in common between melee and Guilty Gear Accent core acpr. There was a rollback update and a resurgence back during COVID. All kinds of players got into the game, and while the top of the tier list barely change, we saw a few characters considered low/mid tier win stuff and shake things off. Both games are technical and both have brought back old heads and new ppl in their early 20ies. It's crazy that we all thought the scene would have died with COVID yet we are just back even stronger and healthier

[@ShadeAnris]

Melee and +R casually being some of greatest fighters of all time

[@evilded2]

Love me some +R. I do think people who are exclusively smash players could use some perspective.

[@evilded2]

@@ckorp666 what are you some kind of Testament apologist?

[@flameninja00]

Morsecode762, TheSWOOPER, Wevans, and fknsilver all carry Samus. And on the rare occasion we see Plup Samus, he always does well.

[@Maxx00]

I Falcon Punched fknsilver on my channel, one of my proudest moments lol

[@Landorus100]

Ain't coney the one asking people what the poop butt move is?

[@rapidretrovenue563]

this is by far the best review of this asumsauce video to date. Others will overlook or ignore certain parts. Coney really paid immaculate attention to everything.

[@Air_OK]

Talk about Panda always makes me sad we never got the panda controller

[@DreamcastSoupYT]

Real

[@dylanoleary3805]

Coney scrambling to find some excuse when he found out Melee is still growing 😂

[@alexanderbateman5581]

I think a big part of the "I don't want to play against low tiers" that's missing is that the *reason* low tiers are bad is because they can't approach. They don't have the tools to beat crouch cancel, they don't have anything safe they can throw out. So anyone who is good with a low tier is just waiting for you to run into their moves, and it's not fun to play against at all. Sure, I COULD spend 6 minutes slowly chipping away at you, or I could just not do that. Also there's Luigi. Fuck Luigi.

[@smoceany9478]

even if you hate most low tiers i really recommend playing against G&W, G&W's problems arent his approach or his punish or anything like that, his issues are that he gets hit like hell and dies instantly, it makes for a game that really plays like a high or top tier matchup even when one character is clearly better

[@namelessresource5782]

Womp womp

[@zakk219]

I feel like this happens with a lot of traditional fighting games as well. Older players move on or just don't spend as much time on the game and now the players that have either been playing forever but not at that level or who are new but have the time and access to all of the information gathered over 20 years are able to see better results. I've noticed it in Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, where character specialists have been able to do incredibly well with characters that aren't top 5 simply because they have everything optimized and figured out. It's so interesting to watch.

[@joshthefunkdoc]

Yeah, i refer to MvC2 where Thrillah beat 2 of the 3 gods from that game's prime (Sanford Kelly & Yipes) in FT10s on the same day...playing a team with Iron Man & War Machine. Hell, another top IM player even figured out major new tech recently that takes Cable from "one of Iron Man's best assists" to "basically mandatory if you want to play Iron Man"

[@TheBeggies95]

In melee’s case, its the community. So many people left the scene when it became infected with power hungry and non tolerant people

[@Squidbat]

I love me a good fwd tilt Pokes are always funny to do against players that just wiggle the stick and mash buttons. Simon Belmont's fwd tilt is super fun to just throw out on players that constantly dash in.

[@paulcarroll473]

20:25 DEMIGOD FELLED

[@alexanderlane7863]

Favourite move is bair, just love being able to have someone run into a wall of pain and get an opening off ot

[@anthonygillette]

5:20 oh hey I caught this on twitch. Glad I’m too not sober to remember the details.

[@DIsturbios1234]

Coney makes it sound like playing smash when you're over 30 is pointless

[@JohannesBee]

And he's correct

[@sonicphoenix7]

yes

[@clock3799]

True….

[@carsondubs]

I don't think these guys get the joke

[@arthurvergolino6859]

3:46 can't wait for ganondorf's turn!

[@TheStickCollector]

Now i can watch this fully.

[@victorlinares4137]

Its so funny how an adapter on a modern tv has less lag than a normal crt

[@svsv1191]

Reminder that esl wanted to host smash tournaments

[@dataecto6135]

i remember watching like 5 minutes of the smash doc in like 2014, not really liking it, and then playing smash on the wii u as ness suffice to say im a street fighter 6 player now

[@alexanderbateman5581]

hey if you keep watching, he starts trying when playing against one of the producers

[@DreamcastSoupYT]

Melee is wayyy more of a real hardcore fighting game than any other smash. Try out slippi

[@Protopro91]

Mang0 will always be my GOAT because he still plays to win and gets pissy like a bitch when he loses. Armada was as dominant as anyone can ever get in Melee, but he doesn't have the longevity that Mang0 has. That dude started in his teens winning tournaments and hes's still winning majors when hes in his 30s with a wife and child. I also absolutely love seeing "weaker" characters win. I will cheer my head off for a DK win, I will always root for the Falcon win over any spacie, and don't even get me started on Axe and aMSa!

[@RobbieAudet]

Famous smasher smashposting? ICANT

[@peterevans2854]

4:31 Guys you just know Cody before the match was like “A DK player… ez match lol” Or is it 👀

[@samuelsimko4562]

I didn't even know who glock was, and immediately recognized Games Underground because I live in the area and go there for tourneys sometimes lol

[@Heattokun]

5:10 soooo is that sleepy?

[@frapple_apple]

12:18 I played against a Bowser named Mew2King on slippi like 2 years ago and always assumed it was the real guy, but now I'm questioning if it was someone else who just changed their name and down b ledge stalled with Bowser just to make it look legit...

[@Nolan1333]

Man congrats on a decade on KZbin! Man ive been watching you since 2018 crazy its been that long already. I look forward to more content till u decide to stop some day

[@rayzamarripajr.7571]

12:06 been a younglink main since I was 7 (24 now) and i cant tell you how many times people quit on me because im playing with younglink. Also I can play a rush down style while forcing neutral play. 😂

[@BraidedInThorns]

2:08 forbiden sting ray

[@olivebandit4401]

my favorite kinda move is probably fair. a good fair or uair and i'm swimming in money

[@DreamcastSoupYT]

Juggle upairs are money $ i love melee marth

[@afmetz]

Coney you are my fav content creator

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

Why's the video zoom in at one point

[@jandaxprss6784]

Check out my young link combo when the album drops with the zilch drop

[@TheBeggies95]

This is probably the year i’ve been less into melee since forever. Not enough relevant tourneys and the community being pathetic. Top 8 are always a treat to watch tho

[@peter42466]

The smash community being called rudderless honestly isn’t far enough it feels like we’re on hundreds of tiny boats all connected with only a few people being tos and top players with paddles and the only choice we have is which players we join and who we cut the rope with to make our ideal community. It was all good until the whole panda global vgbc fiasco it felt like we were reaching a golden age of smash but now (through circumstances that you can debate on yourself) we’ve been knocked back like 15 years. The major regions of smash (north America, Latin America, Europe and japan) used to feel more united melee and ultimate finally seemed to be united together there was respect and happiness and like money was starting to exist (and you know mods were being slipped in without Nintendo caring). Unfortunately I feel we learnt the wrong lessons from the end of the golden age now everybody seems to be in it for themselves all just trying to seem as safe as possible cause the blame game is all that’s going on right now in the community and it just shows we’re going in the wrong direction. Instead of all the commentators tos and top players uniting and planning on where to go (you’re kind of an exception to that coney) they all cut ties with people and try their hardest to win the insuring war that’s going on.

[@FrogFromNS]

while yoshi is a '1 guy' character at top top level there was another yoshi in the top 100 last year, egg$ is my goat!

[@spaghettiking7312]

Darkest before dawn.

[@Daggetbeaves]

"Jigglypuff is the end of melee" coney pls stop listening to leffen

[@guitargirl6323]

That's actually hax$ rhetoric

[@Daggetbeaves]

@@guitargirl6323 they both have probably said it it's just leffen who's said it the most

[@thenoseguy]

5:04 SLEEPY

[@Ami-is-Blsd]

But does June play brawl

[@ehejddjdjsnsnsn4031]

im like 90 percent sure that grsmash was interviewed with a facecam and everything by EE or someone years ago but it seems to have been wiped from youtube or its some mandela effect

[@GothJesus]

Id never play smash competitively, I've only ever played super high stock maximum items on 😂

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Happy birthday 🎉

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

I love this Super Smash Brothers game!

[@SirCleric]

16:16 shoutout to the dude named "robokyonlyfans69"

[@nicholaswise5818]

GRTr4sh was one of smash 4's greatest treasures

[@Frank7489]

Mid/low tiers will win a close game on slippi, spam lol, then leave. It can be tilting but it’s also kinda funny. If you think about it, the joke to them is that they could ever win a game

[@αωεςσε-ω7ζ]

its the power of no patches, a lot of people playing, AND BROKEN FUCKING PROGRAMMING.

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

I too love me a good tick throw.

[@plabcentral630]

I’m a dash attacker for sure.

[@captainphoton1693]

I mean. Sometimes no patches are requiered. Look at karnov's revenge. The top tier is really top tier. The lows are low. But. Exactly like in melee the top tiers are fun to play against. So people play other character and don't rage. While a game like brawl would have really needzd the ultimate path treatment. Where agregious stuff Is patched (well. Sonic went through and dlc pass 2 was too late) and bad character get a few number buffs. Just so that the characters stay close enouth that most of the cast is viable to have fun with and expect to win locals against good players. You can also make it look back so hard. Where everyone is so fucking broken. That except some unavoidable shit. You really only need one move to win even with a low tier like on the fist of the north star game.

[@christophermcpherson7320]

You and coach should play this game

[@Yushe_]

8:37 I see some of these characters played on slippi but most aren't played because they're just too bad. Mr. Game & Watch is a decent character, Mewtwo is underrated because he's hard to learn how to play properly. Roy and Mario just have objectively better versions with Doc and Marth and Zelda is just why play her when you can play Shiek. Pichu is the same deal, Pichu hurts herself when performing electric moves and is one of the lightest characters so just play Pikachu. And then we get to the really bad characters, Ness is barely decent and is usually played by players that are really good at the game and want a challenge. Kirby is really weak, has terrible moves, grabs and recovery and Bowser is very slow and has a lot of lag when performing a majority of his moves but I would still say bowser is better than kirby. I've played bowser a lot on slippi and he's not as bad as people think he is, Bowser is still unbelievably trash but his moves hit super hard and a majority of his moves take stocks above 100%. Couple that with the fact not a lot of players know what bowser can do when played well and you can have a fun time just messing around. Just for anyone thats read this remember to try to play more defensively, you need to punish bad approaches as Bowser to do well and try to figure out which moves are fastish and which moves are too laggy and try to avoid using the very laggy moves.

[@shadycat8898]

Smash always felt separated from the rest of the FGC, but now it feels like the FGC is the one surging ahead and Smash is the one floating off aimlessly. Or maybe some of us just migrated to the greater FGC and feel that disconnect now.

[@joshthefunkdoc]

Street Fighter 6 & Tekken 8 got great reviews when they came out and have mostly done well to maintain their popularity. Tekken has embraced the model of marketing via famous content creators in NA, and SF6 has done the same in Japan (where it competes with Apex & Valorant in terms of stream numbers). Smash just doesn't have anything like that atm. There's also something to be said for Smash never finding its own Chipotle and relying on shady crypto startups for sponsorships, given how that bubble burst over the past year or two...

[@TwinGrimm]

Can you make a movie about the state of smash in 2025

[@goodleshoes]

One time i 3 stocked green ranger by wobbling on fd. (I lost the set)

[@JC-iv5rp]

I feel like HDR can low key overthrow Ultimate. but its not widely accessible thats whats preventing a surge. Melee will be played leverless frame1 smashboxes, in the future, the hardcore melee players dont want to pay 250$ for some goomy controller, GC controllers will soon be extinct then what we gonna play? I see some people use an XBOX controller that play pretty well in slippi, but it doesnt feel natural to me. Kind of how moving to 120-240hz monitors it took me a while to transition because nothing felt like an crt. I found some N64 controllers in my closet I wonder if theres a need for them.

[@javi994]

There’s also Phobs

[@MrMitchellTang]

Melee!!!

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Dongle donut means a lot to me

[@captain_cannoli5566]

I mean alot 🍩

[@Sonick92]

PM is still going strong.

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Berg deeg dalg garlg. Dup deep dongle dong ❤

[@maxterminatehole2086]

the thing i love about smash its gatekeeping culture. from the fan to nintendo itself.

[@Droboto23456]

It would be really funny if smash became like professional wrestling

[@NamaTheNerd]

Has Coney watched the ARMS documentary?

[@TeamStudNation1280]

Bet Smash 64 will be on the Switch for the 25th Anniversary

[@YoungSimbaFGC]

NASB 1 Mentioned wooo

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Coney more like phoney, Playin diddy kong making no moeny

[@buzzedgalaxy]

8:24 ???????

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Dolk digga ding ding 🛎️ bulrg blug bicca blood 🩸

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Dingle dong doogle dack ❤

[@RecruitMaster]

Papa lobster shown!!

[@Zamasuthealmighty]

AsumSaus is the Kurzgesagt of Melee

[@sonicphoenix7]

funded by top players

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Pizza is pretty good i guess.

[@evilded2]

Smash is the pipeline to the FGC in current day from what I've seen.

[@captain_cannoli5566]

Ham n cheese sandwich 🥪

[@jpetrullo6890]

Played from 2015-2020. Probably the best time in history. Scene is trash now