Hunter X Willow Is AMAZING But Weirdly Controversial

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[@novadestroyerthesundestroy890]

Why was the video privated?

[@thecluckster3908]

Yeah what happened?

[@LiliannEnder]

@2 people above, the music at the end being too loud

[@zacharyfunman7950]

Got thank you I thought it was weird when I first watched it better fixed now than later

[@wify0241]

So uh just thought this was worth mentioning, the whole clone thingy…..that’s dune…. The fourth book i mean

[@Apolarbearselfie]

Some people on tumblr have commented how fun it is that Willow is the “cool dude” of the relationship and Hunter is the “shy girl next door” and I think it’s beautiful

[@alejandrasanchez3022]

Shy girl? This relationship breaks exactly with that cliche so... no, please dont. Can we stop using stereotypes to define everything?

[@ima-human9593]

@@alejandrasanchez3022 not when he fits it like a glove

[@ima-human9593]

@@alejandrasanchez3022 the entire thing is that the roles are _reversed_ from the norm so they are supposed to fit a stereotype… the one for the opposite sex

[@meowzen]

Lmao I agee with this

[@Andres-ul9wo]

Their relationship is basically "Excuse me, he asked for no pickles" and I love it

[@googleitlol6590]

I’m sorry you calling the Owl Gang, “Eda’s Orphanage” broke me 😭

[@SarcasticChorus]

She's Collectin kids like Funko pops

[@Jetstreamsamsbiggestglazer]

@@SarcasticChorus never say that again if you say that I will call cps

[@wizdum4957]

​@@Jetstreamsamsbiggestglazer WHEEZEEE

[@rainbow.artkid77]

💀

[@jamesmacleod9382]

Naruto showed the way, their whole village was an orphanage. No pain in the ass adults to slow the story down with things like discipline and worrying.

[@Leesterkirby]

It's insane how this ship was handled better than Starco and with less screentime

[@alibrennan5977]

I know right?? That Starco thing pissed me off so much! And how did THAT show get 4 seasons when Owl House barely got 2 and a half?!

[@alejandrasanchez3022]

Starco is toxic af

[@alibrennan5977]

@@alejandrasanchez3022 not sure about toxic but they were unbelievably forced

[@Doggcereal]

@@alibrennan5977 exactly, I preferred them as best friends tbh

[@mercuryenthusiast]

the difference is that the well handled ship is the most hated while the most forced ship is the most loved. crazy right

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Willow shielding Hunter during the collector’s appearance... It's rare to find m/f ships that truly feel like an equal exchange of protectiveness/power. It's so fun to see, i love their dynamic.

[@Takejiro24]

First it was Willow rescuing Hunter then Hunter rescuing Willow. Equal exchange. Love to see it! 🥰

[@philly_sports1558]

Also when she was holding him and told Camila “be careful with him” after he almost drowned.

[@Sanakudou]

I think that’s honestly such an important detail about them, they are a really healthy depiction of a m/f relationship where they are true equals. I also REALLY appreciate that the writers didn’t heavily involve Willow or advance their romance arc when Hunter was going through the grief of being betrayed by Belos and the revelation he’s a Grimwalker. Likewise that Willow’s arc of self confidence didn’t involve a romantic partner offering external security. This ship could’ve easily devolved into a Saviour/Damsel or the unhealthy “fix-it” wish fulfilment where the abuse victim gets all the love and security they previously lived without through their romantic partner. I understand how cathartic fix-it romances can be but it’s unhealthy to real life victims to think a romantic partner saving them is the way to recovery, they need to grow beyond the reliance on external sources of self worth and develop it within themselves instead. I feel like there’s strong symbolism towards this aspect of recovery through Flapjack being inside of Hunter now instead of an external emotional crutch. But showing a victim’s recovery and a victim developing a healthy romance as distinctly SEPARATE things was really refreshing and I hope other writers take note of it!

[@randomrhino7500]

@@Sanakudou belos no another brother have been seduced by witch

[@SoulOfJustice1994]

Hunter was incapacitated by the Draining Spell, so he kinda needed help. But yes, it was heartwarming to see Willow come to his defense.

[@alexgroot2508]

Really like how they handled Gus in the HuntLow dynamic. He's got his own relationship to both Hunter and Willow, but he also works with both of them on screen *without* feeling like a third wheel. The whole Owl Gang has each other's back, but for whatever reason, these three feel like their the tightest knit of the bunch.

[@witchplease9695]

Gus is literally treated like nothing but a token in the show. Dana isn’t perfect.

[@jellybeanz0904]

Live laugh love the emerald trio!!

[@eee-xd5bo]

@@witchplease9695 they weren't talking about Dana though?

[@AnArtichoke_]

@@witchplease9695 Gus would absolutely have gotten more screen time if it weren't for Disney being a prick.

[@erths.gr8est.threat721]

Honestly, I legit can’t see Huntlow without Gus for some reason🤣! Like Gus goes with huntlow like a package deal, not a third wheel but like a plus 1

[@grandma9042]

Honestly the pinky hold broke me, somehow it feels sweeter than a full hand hold. It just feels like Willow isn't engulfing him and rushing him into any sort of relationship, but more of a subtle "I'm always here for you" sort of thing. It's too damn cute and my heart is hurting.

[@louise4152]

YOU'RE SO RIGHT??? the pinky hold is so much cuter than it wouldve been if it were a full on handhold

[@peeblekitty5780]

NO FR The pinky hold was perfect. And with the bruises on the hands it was so sweet. They both just went through so much (and _have been_ through so much) and it's just such a gentle "I'll be there for you"

[@xnortheast1106]

🙄

[@decidueyezealot8611]

​@@xnortheast1106 🙄

[@mel0dy205]

​@@xnortheast1106🙄

[@Emma-ei2zk]

Also something you didn't talk about is how Hunter falling in love with Willow is a parallel to Caleb falling in love with Evelyn, who both are witches, something phillip hates, and in a way whisking hunter and caleb away from phillip. Thus showing no matter how much he tried, he can't control or change his brother.

[@thetriplejjj0177]

So the anti Huntlow fandom is belos 😂

[@Emma-ei2zk]

@@thetriplejjj0177 EXACTLY

[@Toccame]

@@thetriplejjj0177 ONG

[@soupoup]

@@thetriplejjj0177 omg 💀 i love that lol

[@AzulObsessedWithLuciferand1D]

@@thetriplejjj0177 OMG LITERALLY

[@TheDannyWTF]

People need to realize that before a love interest Willow was also his first friend. Gus and Willow are his first real friends and they’re his best friends now. So much so that he would crumble if anything happened to either of them. He holds Gus and Willow so close to his heart and as unexpected this turnabout was, it’s very welcome to see a true best friend squad.

[@witchplease9695]

His first friend was Luz, followed by Gus.

[@fimasyi]

@@witchplease9695 I'm not certain about this. Just correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought Hunter didn't see Luz as a friend when he first met her..

[@lawrencevalero8111]

@@fimasyi he did see her somewhat of an ally on their second meeting

[@fimasyi]

@@lawrencevalero8111 oh alright but before that second meeting was there, uhm like anyone else he met? Sorry I don't remember and I'm too lazy to rewatch again

[@lawrencevalero8111]

@@fimasyi he doesn't. Other than the coven heads and some guards

[@M4x4r0ni]

Coming from someone who hasn't watched the Owl House, this ship definitely feels like a fresh take on not just heterosexual relationships but also demonstrates that the dude within said relationship can be the softer malewife character without being outright stupid while the girl can be the one wearing the pants of the relationship without being controlling or apathetic. And I feel like that's important too.

[@joyc.e.7511]

Me too, that's why I can't understand the hate based solely on it being a straight relationship. It's nothing like the stereotypical boy/girl relationship in media.

[@AevitosTrath]

Cough WATCH IT Cough

[@Huntlowfan3]

HAVE YOU WATCH IT YET???? PLEASE SAY YES

[@aeweljrnold]

And it makes it way better that both the characters are confirmed to be queer

[@mentally_neglectful]

​@@aeweljrnold I knew they were giving "bisexual couple who passes as straight" vibes !!

[@philly_sports1558]

What I like about Hunter x Willow the most is that they really seem to understand each other because they’ve been in their shoes before. They know exactly how it feels to be considered less than their peers and they heavily relate with one another. This pairing is way more than just another “good girl” gets with “bad boy” or “bad but sad boy” in Hunter’s case. Like Lumity, it’s two kids adorably falling in love because of how much they have in common and it’s plainly obvious how much they mean to one another.

[@nomnomyom8915]

AGREEEEED

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

this one of the reasons why people need to understand why we shipped them

[@x_void_princess_x]

He ain't even a bad boy he's a soft boy

[@fate7418]

It’s honestly something most shows just can’t get right- I’ve seen plenty of ships that just feel forced and not right- but the CANNON ships in the owl house are incredible!

[@ConvenientlyShapedUsername]

Thank you, user philly_sports, very cool

[@cariozonei]

I love just how as soon as Hunter saw Willow being in a very vulnerable state and that she was in danger of potentially maybe losing herself, he swoops in to save her and I'm not just talking about the vines. But he is also willing to be vulnerable for her sake because he really really cares about her, and him just being, "you didn't make anything worse, you didn't do anything wrong!" And just that he is pleading her to not be so negative with herself and let the one thing that makes her feel worthless the most and is the one thing that really hurts her the most, and he's like telling her that she is the best thing ever to happen to him and that she shouldn't feel like she is worthless when she Is NOT whatsoever, is just really cute how concerned he feels about her.

[@philly_sports1558]

I love when he told her to please never call herself “half-a-witch” ever again. He doesn’t want her to hate herself because of how much she means to him and the rest of the group. Powerful stuff.

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

i cried at that scene for both them

[@flopjack12]

it hits different when you see someone go through the same thing as you, even if that person is confusingly overpowered

[@labgoat6787]

I think the only reason Willow x Hunter is hated is because the LGBTQ community wants EVERYBODY to be gay.

[@strongestgamer2501]

You need a father figure

[@yuefin]

I feel people need to know that Willow is actually currently 15. At the beginning of the show, Willow was 14 yes, but on a picture it shows her with her plant track suit (which we have seen her change WHILE the show was going on) on her birthday which confirms she's actually 15, and it has also been said on a Q&A live. So it's actually a 1 year gap. But I guess there will always be people complaining about their ages, when it's perfectly fine for a 15 year old to be with a 16 year old.

[@opal8243]

Who knows when hunter’s birthday is so maybe he’s almost 17

[@yuefin]

@@opal8243 as of the latest episode hunter's still 16, so i highly doubt he'll be turning 17 on the same year tbh since they were on the human realm for Months

[@peeblekitty5780]

Not to mention that 1) Even if she was 14 at the time of the relationship... that's two years, guys. That's not bad at all. 2) The whole reason age gaps are potentially unhealthy in reality is because of the power imbalance granted by the difference in maturity between the partners--and as Sarcastic Chorus said, Willow is absolutely the more mature of the two. She's the one who's had a fairly well-adjusted childhood that Hunter lacked. This 16-year-old is not at all in a position of power over his younger partner as a result of his age.

[@CollinMcLean]

@@peeblekitty5780 That and power imbalances due to age don't seem to be a major thing in this universe. A 16 year old in our world has a drivers license and employment opportunities which could create a power imbalance between a 16 and 14 year old. Not saying it's outright bad but depending on the context can be seen as suspicious. But in the Boiling Isles there doesn't seem to be much of a social difference between being 16 or 14 so that power imbalance doesn't seem to exist to begin with as far as we can tell.

[@charleywilson2146]

@@CollinMcLeanthat and I think you guys are forgetting that they aren’t even in a relationship until the end of the show…where their canon ages are 18 (Willow) and 20 (Hunter), with Willow probably turning 19 b4 Hunter turns 21. That’s a perfectly fine age gap.

[@mattapparently]

Worth noting that the major episodes Hunter has with each member of the Hexsquad are: Hunting Palisman - Luz Eclipse Lake - Amity A Sport in a Storm - Willow Labyrinth Runners - Gus ...and those spell out HEAL. Probably unintentional, but who knows?

[@nuzhatmaliat9258]

Man the writers were playing 4d chess

[@ebonydarknessdementiaraven4610]

woahh thats so cool and i wouldn't put it past them to do something like that

[@sweesbees]

(there is also Hollow Mind for Luz but i mean we can combine that with Hunting Palisman)

[@cyanfireall7710]

They did the same for the fist letters of the specials for s3

[@princessthyemis]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT! OH MY GOSH, MY HEART. THAT'S BRILLIANT.

[@istarryi]

...i honestly did not know it was controversial. the ship seemed so natural and wholesome. i did not see it coming at first, but man i love huntlow now

[@justaturky2890]

Some peope didn't like it because they said hunter shouldn't date yet

[@istarryi]

@@justaturky2890 well, it is what it is now!

[@justaturky2890]

@@istarryi yeah

[@noremac7216]

@@justaturky2890 that's so dumb. Yes some people need to take time after a traumatic event before they get out, but some people genuinely benefit from that connection. Both of these things can be true for different people

[@ashleypisarts]

@@justaturky2890 A key reminder that their relationship developed off screen for 3 months…

[@Jiiyun]

I feel like this gets glossed over a lot, but Willow being a plus sized asian girl is INCREDIBLE. Most plus sized asians in shows are reduced to comedic relief, and it's a huge 'taboo' in asian culture to be anything bigger than a size 0 or 1. Seeing how Willow was treated with respect in the Owl House with her writing, ESPECIALLY when it came to Huntlow, has made me cry on more than one occasion. I really wish I had Willow as a character growing up, it would have changed a lot for me.

[@LittleHobbit13]

Having a character like Willow on tv when I was a kid would have meant the world to me. A little heavy myself and definitely struggling with always feeling not quite good at anything people pushed me to do -- seeing her journey would have been the most empowering thing in the world to me. I'm glad kids (and especially girls) have access to her today.

[@Scarabola]

Why do you say Willow is Asian?

[@tomkatt8274]

@@Scarabola she looks white to me.

[@ice5615]

Willows Asian?

[@hunniely]

​@@Scarabola I think it's because her surname; "Park"

[@jessealexander3346]

I remember Dana mentioning at one point that the original plan for Owl House was four seasons, so the fact that they've been able to condense it into 2+ a movie and still have such a good story and amazing characters is just astounding to me.

[@cookiepotatohybrid1940]

Same that's some top tier writing right there! Though I really hope that someday we at least get a script of what was SUPPOSED to happen so even if one person or even a couple of people cut it short At least we can have that

[@alex_is_sleeepy]

There’s a movie???

[@HappyBunny150K]

@@alex_is_sleeepynot quite, there’s 3 45-minute episodes in season 3, which are made to practically just piece together like a movie. We’re waiting on the final one at the moment.

[@princessthyemis]

There's GONNA BE A MOVIE?!

[@kevinmorris3200]

@@cookiepotatohybrid1940 we do. It’s Amphibia’s third season.

[@toadlord8594]

There has to some LITERAL Black magic Dana got going on she and the Owl House writers have that they managed to make THREE well crafted, greatly written, absolutely adorable couples. Lumity of COurse, then Raeda, and now Huntlow/Winter as the next brilliant Owl House ship. Seriously give the writers credit, even with the show shortened these three ships managed to feel so grand and written and developed into healthy cartoon relationships.

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

the top 3 ships of the show hey develop naturally even if the show is cut they managed to pulled it off

[@soupoup]

@@jhanandreamarquez4197 fr its really impressive I was worried they would all feel rushed but they still feel very natural and well paced depsite the show being cut Witchcraft i tell you

[@snailmannn]

I’m calling it winter from now on that’s a great name

[@TartarusHimself]

@@soupoup that’s my only complaint about the owl house is that we don’t get more, but Dana and the team are making better use of the time they get than I could have ever imagined. These last episodes are so dense without ever feeling like it’s too much. Every time an episode ends I want more despite or maybe because of how much they manage to fit into it.

[@strongestgamer2501]

There has to be some LITERAL fatherlessness in this fandom

[@AlibiBlu]

I had heard that this ship was controversial online so I watched the new season expecting it to be cringey or poorly written, but instead I just found myself constantly going “Aww” or even tearing up at their cute interactions. They’re honestly really cute

[@Commenter839]

I think my only real issue with the ship is that it feels rushed tbh. I can give it something of a pass because the show was cancelled and all, but the transition from friendship to romance was so fast it felt awkward, and I think I'd rather they just keep them as friends because of that. Still better than Starco though

[@Doggcereal]

I agree they had a very awesome and well written dynamic

[@Doggcereal]

@@Commenter839 also agree on this. I do like them as a couple but seeing them go from friends (pre-time skip) to dating (post time skip) felt a bit sudden. It was hinted that they liked each other but tbh I just wish they'd gotten together on screen HAHA

[@Adi-qu4te]

​@@Commenter839 the thing is it never actually got to the firm level of romance until the epilog what we saw was a developing crash going to a solid crush which is NORMAL idk why people think its rushed

[@Commenter839]

@@Adi-qu4te There wasn't any actual romance until the epilogue yeah, but it was very obvious that there were feelings creeping up between them in the final few episodes and the writers wanted the audience to know they were endgame. All I'm saying is that from a storytelling perspective, it feels rushed at best imo, and at worst it feels like a "pair the spares" situation. It would have worked a lot better if Huntlow had time to organically transition from platonic buddies, to small crushes, to romance. I understand the show didn't have time, which is why I think it would've been better off not trying to cram in a third romance to begin with. Luz and Amity had pretty much a season's worth of buildup before they got together, and Eda and Raine were already a thing before the start of the show. Huntlow didn't have either of those things going for it

[@Ronno2003]

Willow is 15 and Hunter is 16 so it's a 1 year age gap. I don't understand how people say a 1 year age gap can be illegal once one character turns 18.

[@AtesSu2006.]

The age of 18 may vary depending on the country. 🤣

[@edatheowllady9518]

If it was 3 years or more the argument would've made sense, but a 1 to 2 year age gap isn't even much. This argument is dumb

[@labgoat6787]

@@edatheowllady9518 Willow is 14 actually, and Hunter is 16. Still, it’s not illegal or crap, both are teenagers and have equal maturity.

[@EnharmonicYT]

@@labgoat6787 Willow is 14 at the start of the series, but in Labyrinth Runners it’s shown via a photo in Gus’s room that Willow celebrated her 15th birthday sometime before that episode took place, so she’s actually 15 now.

[@caleviwin]

As someone who is in an ACTUAL age gap relationship (7year age difference) I get upset when I see a couple on a show that say they have an age gap, but it's like...3 years. If it's more than 5, it's an age gap...and unfortunately they aren't many in media I can properly relate too 😅

[@Jungoguy]

Willow’s character growth over the series is unbelievable. She went from being a wallflower to being one of the most badass kids in the Boiling Isles.

[@alibrennan5977]

I think I’m only realizing this now (and I’m normally not the type of person to dwell on this topic) but The Owl House has probably one of the actual best female representations I’ve seen in….anything! Luz: A Latina and canonically BISEXUAL(not gay, bisexual) female lead with a strong character arc throughout the series who’s sexuality and race aren’t treated like as a character plot point. Amity: Luzs rival turned love interest who also has a strong character arc that isn’t treated like the generic gay love interest shoehorned into a Disney property as representation check list Lumity: an actual respectful LGBT couple that again doesn’t feel like a representation check list(that actually lasts longer than a scene and a half) Willow: a plus sized nerdy girl that could’ve easily been just the token plus sized comic relief best friend/sidekick but as has character growth about her growing out of her shell, whose weight/size has never been treated like a punchline and has a genuinely cute ship with Hunter(which is mutual and canon❤🥰) who isn’t another comic relief character Active, prominent middle aged women in Eda, Lilith and Luzs mother Camilla whose age isn’t treated as a joke and know how to kick asses despite their ages. Camilla: said mother who isn’t dead or relegated to the background who actually contributes to the central characters in the third act and acts as mother figures for them by giving them love and sanctuary and again knows how to kick ass. Again I wouldn’t be dwelling on this if Hollywood and especially Disney hasn’t been on this female empowerment preachy high horse for the past couple of years

[@joyc.e.7511]

I think you're right! The characters are unique and diverse without constantly reminding us that they are. They're allowed to be themselves.

[@seagullokapi]

Also Gus! Gus is heavily implied to be autistic or ADHD, is Black, and is a prodigy who is allowed to be his weird little self. And no one tries to pair up a twelve year old to ships ever after, unlike literally every other show, it seems.

[@kaeleighrosegold1581]

@@seagullokapi Totally agree!! though Gus isn't female so i think that's why they didn't include him

[@L0rdOfThePies]

@@seagullokapiahh, perhaps thats why his character spoke to me so much, he definitely read to me as autistic and anxious, Also not seeing him getting into much romantic shenanigans made sense to me given hes 12 and i want to normalise 12 year olds not being romantic’s because when i was 12 the common expectation of being a romantic was uncomfortable to me djdjdjdjdj

[@ima-human9593]

And then Disney canceled it for too woke or whatever stupid excuse they came up with

[@bluefireflyz1319]

I would also like to mention, the contrast that willow and hunter have is amazing. Hunter is someone who has been forced his entire life to be strong and wants a turn being vulnerable, while willow has spent her entire life forced to be weak and wants to be strong creates such a sweet dynamic

[@theperidot5xg]

Hunter and Willow are both therapists for each other and I love that. This isn't just a one-sided savior situation, it's a mutual relationship that improves both ends. Willow introduces Hunter to an actual support group that he never got to have, and Hunter ensures Willow that she is fucking GREAT. They care about each other and helps one another through hardships they themselves had once faced, and that is beautiful.

[@wavyduckling862]

Perfectly said ugh it's so precious

[@AlliIsNotaGirlkisser]

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[@Golden_eye21]

Literally in every episode Hunter and Willow both appear in, there will always be some ship teasing.The fact that The Owl House crew ships them as well, you know it's canon. It's so wholesome and cute. It's so unexpected and that's why I love it.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Unless one of them dies.

[@PDD555]

Apparently the idea of them being a couple goes way before Hunter's first appereance

[@gianni2003]

@@PDD555 Wait really? Can you give the whole story please? Now I'm curious

[@gianni2003]

@@andreachua8288 Aww that's amazing

[@Milk-ck1wv]

Just because the crew ships them doesn't make it Canon unless it shows up in the show or is said to be Canon by like dana.

[@tic857]

Lets not forget that even after the flier derby incident Hunter and Willow were texting each other about casual things like their palismen. These two were building a friendship online away from everyone else, which is nice to see someone have their own other set of friends along with the main group. Long distance friendship is real friendship. And just watching them grow into their own person while developing a friendship and a high respect and trust with one another is great. The whole fact that Hunter could tell Illusion Willow wasn't her and Willow showing trust in him after he mentioned Gus' breathing technique after spending physical time once says alot. While Lumity has alot of on screen building, Huntlo I feel have alot of off screen long distance building. Also 2 years age difference? Really? Really? No one really cares about that difference prior to 16 and no one cares after you hit 21. Reminds me of my friend who was dating a guy who was 2 years older than her since she was 13. They were friends since she was 5. The second he hit 18 suddenly the it was like half the world was like "YOU CANT DATE!! You gotta dump him/her" Meanwhile they were like "We've been dating for 3 years what do you mean we can't be together anymore?????" Caused way more trauma either of them deserved or needed, two of them broke up due to stress. Both of them went through some garbage toxic relationships, and ended up back with each other anyway. And you know what at the wedding people were like "omg only 2 years difference? They're so close! Basically high school sweet hearts~ Its good when you're close in age one doesn't grow old too fast!"

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

this

[@jayceallen6530]

Its not even a two year age difference either, gus has a picture of willows 15th birthday during labyrinth runners

[@soupoup]

Its not even two! Its ONE! Which is even more ridiculous Antis are delusional lol

[@voidnoidoid]

The argument for the age difference is so silly because willow and Hunter are like one and a half years apart.

[@Fivreld]

YES THANK YOU

[@LadyGravity129]

About the age gap, I'm 90% sure in one of the episodes theres a picture of Willow's 15th birthday (The cake had the number candles of 1 and 5, it was in front of Willow, and she was wearing the plant track uniform) so technically the "age gap" is now technically a whopping 1 year. So illegal I can't believe it 🙄

[@alibrennan5977]

That’s about the same “age gap” as my brother and his wife. The hell are these people on??

[@navighostigalexia]

@@alibrennan5977 I think I, like a lot of people were confused at first. I figured that willow was 14, the same as Luz and Amity. Then, I thought that hunter was 16, bordering on 17. So, while two-three year age gaps certainly are fine, the placement was a bit weird if the characters are teenagers and older character hadn't known the younger one for a while before they liked the younger character. Especially since 14 and 17 are two very different feeling ages. I don't know if that made sense, but that was part of my confusion at first before I found out

[@alibrennan5977]

@@navighostigalexia I mean after the time skip, that doesn’t matter anymore since they reached past 18

[@ehwodjksnx]

And also its not only canon ship where characters have age gap like this. For example in Avatar we have 12 yo aang and 14 yo katara who are great for each other despite age

[@Mikey-TMNT-is-the-best-turtle]

@@ehwodjksnxAang is technically 112 years old, but physically he is still 12 years old.

[@c0smicsands]

Willow is the perfect example of not judging a fish on its ability to climb a tree. Her pairing with Hunter who was never appreciated in his original role was a perfect decision as she got to help someone else come out of the shell that she only recently learned to come out of herself. Lumity is amazing but Huntlow should not be overlooked as a great pairing.

[@LittleHobbit13]

Huntlow is a great example of becoming whole _with_ another person but not becoming whole _because_ of another person. Neither of them magically fixed the other, they just supported the other in their personal journey.

[@feyefall4855]

Is that a common saying? Nvm, it's going to become one of my common sayings now.

[@wavyduckling862]

@@LittleHobbit13 EXACTLYY!!

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

@@LittleHobbit13agreed

[@Rutabega_NG]

Willow hasn't lost anything by getting into a relationship with Hunter. She's still herself. He likes who she is and she likes who he is. Neither of them is interested in changing it. If you want a functional relationship, that has to be part of it. They save each other, one does not have the upper hand over the other. They know who they are. Moreso than they did at the beginning of the series, anyway, and when you've got people who are being their authentic selves, no one loses anything in that relationship. If anything, they gain so much more

[@MrWanton16]

Thank ya. I don't get why ya can't be an independent girlboss just cause you like someone. Lumity doesn't make Luz or Amity weaker characters so why would this reduce Willow's arc when Huntlow is never the main thing with it?

[@Quinhala11]

@@MrWanton16 Amity lost all her personality post-Lumity

[@damkylan3]

​@@Quinhala11 Her personality was a lame stereotype pre-Lumity. And nothing of worth was lost.

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

this

[@edatheowllady9518]

Both ships have the thing where they bring out the better in their partners

[@Notmiakhalifaa]

As a queer person I love Lumity, but I love Huntlow more. Showing that a girl can be dominant, in charge and that the guy can be soft, express true emotions is a nice change. It’s nice to see the narrative change that plus size people are only comic relief and can have their own love interest. Just a well written relationship.

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

I like how they change the narrative roles without changing the nature of the characters alongside it

[@orangejuicejubilee6149]

i grew up as a fat girl and seeing those two get together would have meant everything to me back then; i know i would have imprinted on Willow, I could have related so much to her, as the kind sort of mom-friend (AND she wasn't skinny!), and then seeing her get together with conventionally attractive Hunter, a very Zuko-like character (and who didn't have a crush on Zuko when they were 10) would have really boosted my confidence. The dynamic too, that it leans more on the side of Hunter pining after Willow.. so good. Yeah fat girls were always the side character best friends in the shows I watched as a kid, and they'd never get a love interest. Seeing this now is honestly kind of healing.

[@kingkmtso5107]

Cringe

[@somerandomname3124]

>Supporting a character or ship just because you self insert in it >Admitting to self inserting NGMI

[@orangejuicejubilee6149]

​@@somerandomname3124 goodness i left this comment nearly two weeks ago.. on a video posted nearly two weeks ago? Where are you two coming from? How many comments did you scroll through to find it? Why were you scrolling through them in the first place?

[@crypticcorvid]

@@orangejuicejubilee6149 Ignore those dudes. Also never take the opinion of someone who writes in greentext, lol. I feel exactly the same way though, especially since in the 2000's you'd be flayed alive with the message of being worthless if you weren't skinny and told that you were essentially a bad person for it too. I'm glad to know kids are growing up with better characters and don't have to go through as much as we did.

[@wooofchan]

EXCACTYLY OMG huntlow heals the soul 💖💖💖

[@thebigmystery7841]

For me amityxluz ship is something to get hyped over and excited about for obvious reasons. While the hunterxwillow ship is just like a feeling of a warm hug. I also love how its not a "oh we have a crush on each other and stumble on it a ton" its one that started as a natural friendship based on them bringing each other up. It reminds me of my husband and I when we started dating, just a natural progression of friendship to something more. Not that amityxluz doesnt happen like that but you can tell the focus of them being a couple was much more of a spotlight for good and obvious reasons.

[@Very_Unique_Handle_2]

Bro that reminds me of ✨MUGMARIA✨

[@jlwiseman98]

If people are curious what he means by headcanons, before ASIAS the fandom had been domantily headcanoning hunter as either gay or aroace. So nearly all ships with hunter and female characters got ridiculed to heck (Emira being a slight exception because she was not luz, 16, and more conventionally attractive). But yeah, he was either shipped domantly with edric to the point it was basically treated as canon (you can still find traces of that even today) OR they considered him not to want romance or ever be attracted to anyone. So to say hunter being canonically attracted to girls threw that aspect through a loop was a understatement. Because those who liked either now feel like the show betrayed them despite never promising at any point to make hunter either one of those headcanons officially and not hiding the fact they were implying hunter was bi and liked willow. And then on top of THAT, while lesbian and aroace headcanons for willow existed before ASIAS, they became suspiciously more dominant after huntlow was implied. So some of these headcanons being pushed were being pushed out of spite for the ship existing, and some were from fans who were mad the show didn't make their headcanons canon for a "boring rushed straight romance ". And look, I get it can be upsetting to project yourself onto a character and enjoy a headcanon and then have it be disproven. But bash the creators for lying or betraying you? The toh team never promised these headcanons, they never hid the fact huntlow was being implied. I'm sorry if you saw something that didn't happen but the crew made it clear they planned huntlow for over 2 years, before we met hunter on the show. So this was always intended. No one was owed gay or aroace hunter and willow, and this should be a lesson in not letting yourself get too attached to headcanons, because its frustrating how people are lashing out and saying they want to die because the toh crew lied to them apparently by not making either gay or aroace and canceling the ship outright.

[@bethnielsen1120]

I love how Dana and the writers on this show subvert expectations. In so many series Luz would’ve ended up with hunter, willow would’ve remained the token plus size friend and amity would’ve stayed a one dimensional bully. I think it goes a long way in making these characters feel real.

[@Dotical]

And Gus would be forgotten after like 5 episodes or some shit

[@milkshake5569]

@@Dotical and he only becomes relevant when the show needs a comedic relief

[@strongestgamer2501]

There's not much to expect from the iqs of people who watch gay cartoons

[@critter_core]

@@milkshake5569 Oh no, why is this starting to sound like Ron from Harry Potter xDD

[@sweetzeyraa]

This may be a show for kids but damn is it nicely written. We don't see that often sadly.

[@VanHellbright4763]

I think these two are just perfect together. They both are so protective of each other, it's so cute! It's a shame the show is being cut short, we definitely would've gotten to see more of them if we had a longer season 3/season 4. But with the episodes we have left, I'm hoping we see their relationship develop more, and hopefully have them becoming canon by the end.

[@toadlord8594]

There has to some LITERAL magic Dana got going on she and the Owl House writers have that they managed to make THREE well crafted, greatly written, absolutely adorable couples. Lumity of COurse, then Raeda, and now Huntlow/Winter as the next brilliant Owl House ship. Seriously give the writers credit, even with the show shortened these three ships managed to feel so grand and written and developed into healthy cartoon relationships.

[@elfallus8079]

What do you mean it's going to be cancelled?

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

agreed they perfect for each other

[@MrWanton16]

@@elfallus8079 Season 3 got cut short. The plan was originally 3 full seasons but season 3 got cut down to 6 episodes.

[@soupoup]

@@elfallus8079 its not going to be it already was Fandom is hoping for a spin off or comics in the future tho but if it happens it wont be near future :-(

[@katthunter6561]

The only thing wrong with this ship- and the show in general- is that there isn't more of it. I wanted at least another half a season of Hunter being adorable and finally getting friends and a love interest and being happy in himself. Curse you, Disney. Curse you!

[@milkywaycafe.]

Omg yesssss. As much as I love lumity, the little pinkies scene almost took me out 😍

[@youraveragestranger6239]

Something I find funny is that people say that huntlow barely had any screen time but they also say that goldric has way more chemistry. There's nothing wrong with preferring a ship over others, but its kinda ironic isn't it

[@noremac7216]

Have they ever even been on the screen at the same time?

[@joyc.e.7511]

Doesn't make sense to me, tbh. I was kind shipping Huntlow before they even met and I understood why a lot of people thought it was weird. But for some reason, Goldric wasn't getting this treatment? And the only reason I could think for why this was was due to one being a straight relationship and one being a gay one. Because chemistry-wise, Willow and Hunter are similar in ways while Edric is nothing like Hunter? I'm all for people shipping what they want, but when they try to shut down ships for nonsensical reasons and uphold others for the same reasons? I kinds see where people come from when they think shipping is toxic.

[@ramirolosadamedina7843]

Not saying I prefer Goldric, but I remember that when the Golden Guard was first introduced, everyone immediately shipped him with Edric.

[@threeguysandagirlinabeachhouse]

ALEJANDRO! TD AND OWL HOUSE FAN

[@cherrypuddles]

@@noremac7216 There was that bit at the end of Labyrinth Runners, I'm pretty sure Edric called Hunter sickly.

[@jennareidy9857]

I think what makes me love Hunter and Willow together so much is the emotional bond they both have with each other. Even at the end of For the Future, they didn’t have to ask each other out or have a confession. They simply reached out and held hands, and just knew their feelings and that they have a relationship now, even without saying anything. It is so caring and endearing, I just adore it.

[@hyalophora]

It is cute! It's not believable to me though, because I have no idea where that bond and understanding actually came from

[@MrWanton16]

@@hyalophora It came from the half-a-witch sentiment(of never feeling good enough) they share. Both have immense self-esteem issues and see a lot of themselves in each other. Hence why Willow doesn't decide to more or less make him play with her until after he expresses that sentiment. It's also why Hunter gets frustrated when Willow calls herself that later on to the point its in his worst memory montage.

[@hyalophora]

@@MrWanton16 Oh yeah that makes sense!! Thank you!

[@hachi9404]

"it speaks to his future as a male wife" Caught me off guard 😂😂😂

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Honestly when Hunter was introduced I didn’t remotely think he’d be in a CANON ship with Willow but now I think Huntlow is so adorable and I love it!

[@edatheowllady9518]

Same

[@GaryCandyPrince]

nah it's hella forced

[@edatheowllady9518]

@@GaryCandyPrinceriiiiight. And I suppose you ship Willow with Boscha

[@awesomeocelot7475]

@@edatheowllady9518 I never understood that ship….

[@edatheowllady9518]

@@awesomeocelot7475 that's cuz it makes no sense

[@mauriceisaac3646]

I just like the fact that Willow, a somewhat nerdy-looking girl, was able to win the heart of a more conventionally attractive bad boy archetype like Hunter. It sounds like something out of a self-insert fanfic, but here, it actually makes sense.

[@lionsgamers592]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

[@mauriceisaac3646]

@@lionsgamers592 Also, she didn’t actively pine after him as you would expect girls like her to do. She got him just by being herself.

[@aruakabane2077]

@@mauriceisaac3646 definitely, and it didn't start with the "huh, youre interesting" moment with Hunter seeing Willow Instead it starter with Willow literally nabbing him from the sky 🤣🤣

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

they both look cute with each other

[@cajunking5987]

Nah she’s quite undesirable so it makes sense a mentally unwell clone of a dead guy may like her

[@Arisoup]

Don’t forget when Luz says “what did I miss?” And Hunter grabs willow midair with his powers. Hunter and willow both blushed from that while Hunter was holding her 😭 ❤

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

She I think said “I missed a lot”

[@Arisoup]

@@KirbyStarAnimation after Hunter used his powers she did

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

@@Arisoup my mistake I thought you meant after hunter caught willow

[@Soisoy54]

I can’t stand this ship

[@Arisoup]

@@Soisoy54 Ok

[@Spyko-]

Their age gape is even lower as during Labyrinth Runners we see, in Gus room, a picture of Willow blowing the candles on a birthday cake and she is in her plant track uniform, which mean that she had a Bday since we met her, putting her age at 15 can be seen at 24:16

[@simpgod2170]

Tbh hunter might be 17 now since all the main kids look older, so the age gap would be the same Still pretty normal tho, I seen worse age gap in other isekais

[@LiliannEnder]

And people will still complain about it

[@Pluto.1079]

Wow

[@QueenCami_123]

@@simpgod2170 I don’t think he’s that old now, cus birthday differences

[@tiablue9106]

I’ve seen ppl complain abt the age gap between Aang and Katara (not bc Aang is technically 112 but) bc he’s 12-13 and she’s 14, possibly 15 by the end of the show. Yet...I hear that from zutara fans. And zuko and Katara have the exact same age gap of 2 yrs lol

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Even as someone who couldn't care less about shipping, Huntlow is a great ship.

[@jayceallen6530]

Facts, normally i dont care about ships but im incredibly fixated on this one

[@edatheowllady9518]

Absolutely

[@TotallyNotAToastOrAnything]

@@edatheowllady9518 Eda is a huntlow enthusiast confirmed

[@snoovian7951]

I'm a lesbian, but for some reason huntlow has always been my favourite ship, lumity in second. Idk, think its cause willow is my favourite character and I love seeing someone plus sized with stereotypically nerdy traits (which i relate to lol) have a mutual interest in someone conventionally attractive

[@dubwubwubstek244]

We absolutely need more chubby girls being bridal carried by lanky dudes in our modern day media landscape!!! Thank you Owl House crew for this miracle you beautiful people bestowed upon us...

[@ArturoRivera2004]

plus-sized? why not just say fat why are people making new terms like plus-sized when the word fat already exists

[@Reiiven]

@@ArturoRivera2004I mean fat has been used as an insult towards people a lot so it might be because people might has negative associations with the word

[@divine555]

Hunter isn't lanky though lol

[@ArturoRivera2004]

@@Reiiven man that just seems so pathetic how people give words such power getting hurt by the word fat

[@bobtheball5384]

@@ArturoRivera2004 Bruh you getting upset at people saying another word for something that essentially means the same thing in your opinion.

[@kylieeilyk9818]

What frustrates me about the controversy is that Willow had an off screen birthday in season 1 so Willow is 15 by the time she meets 16 year old Hunter

[@MichaelJW72]

She’s probably about 18 months younger. That’s not an issue generally.

[@marianaff860]

holding pinkies is way more superior than holding hands, it's like a hidden unspeakable promise of loving each other- is it just me-?

[@MydearKotaro]

NO ITS ME TOO AHHH I love it 😭♥️♥️

[@YourMum-jc4df]

Aaawwwwww

[@navzee831]

I love pinkie holds, it feels more secretive and intimate, like it's something that nobody else but the two can see and feel.

[@erinbathie-moore8478]

Huntlow holding pinkies is like Caitlyn brushing Vi's face, it's subtle, wholesome, and true to their characters ❤

[@kyratries]

As a lesbian, I completely expected to be in love with Lumity, so now Huntlow is my favorite ship? I know people say that they don’t have enough screen time to be ‘valid’ but honestly, the small ways that the show displays their likenesses and characteristics as well as how they sort of naturally grow closer without needing any Big Defining Moments makes them so soft and easy to imagine growing into an even sturdier relationship. The fact they both provide the support the other needs, whether it’s Willow encouraging Hunter to be his own person, or Hunter making sure Willow knows she doesn’t always have to be strong (I mean…look how complimentary they are when fighting, not to mention what he said in For the Future) and yk I’ve rambled enough, I hope they can get another pinky hold in the finale my expectations are low but what a good ship.

[@erths.gr8est.threat721]

BRO THANK YOU as a fellow gay this make me feel validated for having huntlow as a favorite ship😭😭😭

[@edatheowllady9518]

People ship goldric and they only had one 3 second conversation. Make it make sense!

[@keiko3099]

@@erths.gr8est.threat721 YOU ARE VALID!!!

[@kyratries]

@@edatheowllady9518 ha I know oh gosh! but people will ship anything if it’s two dudes 🙄

[@sabine1285]

valid as hell its funny cuz starco from svtfoe had horrific chemistry but a full four seasons to develop and huntlow has had better chemistry within a short period of time 😭

[@jlwiseman98]

Just to reinforce the point again about how much the fandom is nasty to this ship, there's already stuff on tumblr complaining about how this exact video is poorly written and all the criticism is valid reasons, including the m/f ship thing because " maybe we're sick of bland ass male and female romances being shoved in our faces in our queer show". (Exact quote) Honestly, had this been a m/m or f/f romance , or had one been NB, you gotta wonder if the fandom would of been nearly this aggressive towards it and trying so hard to find reasons to make it sound terrible. Because the fandom is not nearly this nasty to reada or lumity despite those ships having flaws you could claim also apply to huntlow.

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

I made a comment a few days before yours going on a full rant about this so check it out if you want and if not it’s fine

[@lilyfae7197]

Yeah I’ve caught a bias I had for sure (not against Herero people tho!). As an aro person I just get really excited about platonic relationships, and extra excited about m/f friendships because there’s so many “girl and boy must date” relationships in media, so I was pushing against this until there was enough in cannon for me to cave. It’s definitely a cute ship, I just really like platonic relationships. Probably only had no pushback in my mind towards Lumity and Raeda bc I expected it from the start. Edit: Rereading this I’m not sure how much this actually relates to your comment but It made sense at the time haha

[@jlwiseman98]

@@lilyfae7197 toh has a plethora of m/f friendships, so I think its perfectly ok to have a romance between them since the show is good at treating the friendships with equal importance. Especially since the only other m/f romance that's not in the bg and given any screentime in this show is amity's parents, whose relationship is very toxic.

[@lilyfae7197]

@@jlwiseman98 I know, it’s a good relationship. I was just stating my initial thoughts on the matter

[@jestphoenix]

a lot of toh fandom is like...

[@pancakes507]

huntlow's off-screen friendship/romance being hinted after the flyer derby episode (willow saying he was a slow texter and the next ep luz saying it was willow who gave hunters contact) is just something so organic its like things can grow even when u aren't looking at it, like we as the viewers don't see it but its there like they have their own fictional lives and its just so realistic, not some oh cute moment one and then two and then three and then dating but that slow progression and hinted off-screen romance is almost kinda realistic. like seeing friends irl that haven't talked a word to one another and after some while they're literally best friends, that's how I would describe huntlow

[@windstar120025]

Willow literally saw Hunter and was like, MINE, and kept him ever since

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

Willow said to the fandom your favorite character is mine now and we love each other that the haters can't hate but they can't deny

[@living_free_and_pride]

Willow and Hunter: *Hold hands, blush around each other a few other times, comfort each other, and being absolutely adorable together* Me: *Screams so loud my parents think someone broke in but I’m just so happy* "YEEESSS!!!!!!" Also are they a couple now cuz if so, we NEED to see them together in the next episode!

[@liv5015]

I legitimately didn't like this ship in s2, but that handholding scene had me giggling istg 😭

[@iamasmokedchicken]

They're not a couple but they might become one in the next episode (but that's not likely since time issues and there's a plot that needs finishing)

[@HazbinCovenWitch]

They're my comfort ship. 😭😊

[@supper-girl7405]

@@iamasmokedchicken I hope they can fit in a few minutes of them just being adorable together

[@CrystalGirl1313]

well technically they aren't an official couple however the ship is indeed now 100% canon but HOPEFULLY next episode they will indeed become one bc if they they don't IMA CRY AND RIOT SO HARD ;-;

[@ObamaMpreg]

As a Asian girl who was bullied like Willow was, I find so much comfort in Huntlow and I hope kids like me can do too :)

[@bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119]

The people who work on The Owl House are actual magicians. They have Willow cycle through what I'm guessing what was going to be a season-long arc, have Hunter rescue her, have Willow fix everything, reintroduce Hunter's powers and cinch that they like each other in like the last five minutes of the episode, and it all works. Nothing really feels arbitrary, artificial or bullshit. I'm convinced that someone sacrificed a goat to make it this efficient.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Asriel!!!! No!!! XD

[@cutiepie120048]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian 🤣🤣🤣

[@nstar6412]

TRUEE THOSE WRITERS ARE SO GOOD AT MAKING A BAD SITUATION GOOD!!

[@philly_sports1558]

So far they’ve been able to accomplish in 88 minutes what some shows can’t do in an entire season. They’re incredible.

[@PDD555]

They always surpass my expectations and add ideas we as an audience never imagined. One of the best writing teams out there

[@drawingkupfer6967]

I Love that they put in that shot of their hands and just their pinkies intertwined: like that‘s been a thing with artists drawing it for their favorite ship AND I LOVE IT

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

Many fan art of huntlow predicted this I love it

[@BurningSuperSaiyan]

What confuses me is, from what I've seen online, the fandom is much more willing to ship EDRIC and Hunter despite the fact that they, to my memory, HAVEN'T EVEN SHARED A SINGLE SENTENCE TOGETHER!

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Yeah. And honestly I don’t see the chemistry between Hunter and Edric. They just don’t click.

[@lukedeakin7124]

They share like 1 scene in Labyrinth Runners, where Edric makes a comment about Hunter being thin/sickly.

[@rokusho6667]

Also common diagnosis for victims of narcissistic abuse is being the golden child. Where the child is both held to an unrealistic standard but also the “good child.” Of the family regardless of how much abuse is thrown at them. hunter being the literal embodiment is not just any guard but the GOLDEN guard but also a CHILD. He’s the literal embodiment of the golden child complex.

[@TR_FTY]

I recently had a run in with someone on TikTok saying they don’t like huntlow because it’s straight, and their defence was that it makes them uncomfortable and that we need more gay/lesbian rep so they ship goldric instead. Yet antis say that huntlow shippers are the toxic ones (also I think we should call it winter it’s cuter)

[@jacearmor5274]

So, the gay person used the same logic as homophobic people, unironically?!

[@idonthaveanynameideasyetlmao]

that is the stupidest excuse i’ve ever heard. straight, gay, poly, ace, aro, if the ship isn’t harmful in any way then let it be

[@aqua3043]

Actually i agree, that is cute

[@peeblekitty5780]

TOH is the show _least_ lacking for gay rep, what kind of--

[@trialerrorsharer9398]

Have Hunter and Edric even spoken to each other?

[@InRealTime769]

When one of the 'complaints' boils down to 'there isn't enough of this show', you know that its a masterpiece of storytelling.

[@brookeb4563]

There's a lot of parallels between huntlow and lumity. Both started out subtle, with one blushing after the other hugged them, hunter continuously blushing whenever Willow does something for him the way Amity was always blushing when Luz was around, the eventual mutual blushing after Amity comes in like a bad ass to save Luz the same as when Hunter caught Willow, and finally, a confession of emotions without explicitly saying it. Also the first couply thing they both do together is hold hands, which is so wholesome!

[@emma_nutella58]

Honestly I was surprised by how much I ended up loving the ship, both went through the feeling of inadequacy as they both experienced the feeling of being considered half a witch, this episode basically confirmed that these two compliment each other perfectly and lift each other up, I know that if we had an extended season we would’ve gotten more moments between them and why they began falling for each other

[@edatheowllady9518]

Ikr at first I was like "oh, people ship them? Meh." Now I have over 100 huntlow fanart saved

[@emma_nutella58]

@@edatheowllady9518 that was Deadass me I was like at first honestly I don’t care if they end up together or not but now I’m like dam they are cute

[@og_dumpster_fire4482]

I personally love them. They are amazing and I like how Gus is implemented as a best friend to both but isn't a 3rd wheel at all.

[@Soisoy54]

Are you kidding? Gus is the biggest 3rd wheel in cartoon history. Change my mind I dare you

[@diannaherrera3768]

I love how you included Gus in this discussion. I feel like he's one of the underrated characters and I really love his friendship towards Willow and Hunter. Also I will loose my sh*t if something bad happens to one of them and I will go write my own fan fic to mend my broken heart🙃

[@worldssmallestdestron7819]

and I would read it. over. and over. and over.

[@cajunking5987]

He was way better for Hunter. But I won’t complain about teenage girls NOT getting another gay couple to obsess over

[@msk-qp6fn]

@@cajunking5987 honestly i do kinda ship gus and hunter but i think hunter's relationship with gus is supposed to a happier version of caleb and phillip's relationship, and hunter and willow's relationship is supposed to be happier version of caleb and evelynn

[@smileyhappyface5864]

@@cajunking5987 "He was way better for Hunter"? Oh my god I nearly want to apologize for the response I'm giving. Here's my take on it. 1: Gus and Hunter DO have a bit in common, from the prodigy label they dealt with to the problems with being used, but these similarities are more or less superficial compared to the Huntlow similarities. Gus dealt with the label of prodigy in a literal way and was insecure because people used him for it while simultaneously making him stress over not meeting the expectations. Hunter was used in a literal way, while his expectation stress was more rooted in an understandable and accurate fear of being replaced. Gus and Hunter both felt like they had to earn their places and meet expectations but while Hunter accepted this as long as he could survive (Meaning it was something that began to disappear after leaving Belos), the problems it caused Gus were crucial to his arc, meaning that while their situations look similar on paper, only the self doubt was a real "Shared trauma" bonding point. 2: While their bonding moments are obviously comparable to Huntlow's, the moment from labrynth runners wasn't about both of them. It was about Gus. It was a Gus episode, after all. It was Gus seeing part of himself in Hunter through the panic attack that allowed him to come to terms with his own issues by helping him, and being the "Reliable one" when he always relied on Willow and later Luz. The moment was undoubtedly a bonding moment, but the point on Gus's side was him getting to come to terms with his emotions, and the point on Hunter's side was being able to rely on other people in general without being below them. Looking back from this perspective, I can see why people complain about the way they handled Gus's character because the episodes featuring him weren't exactly about him specifically, but it's still better than they did to Luz. From the start, Willow and Hunters similarities were shown to be real and allowed for moments of bonding that were crucial to both characters, most perfectly shown with the "Half a witch" lines from them both, and the way they each reacted to the other saying it. It was there since they met and perfectly connected with their arcs. Gus and Hunter didn't formerly meet until Labrynth runners and their relationship was obviously meant to be a brotherly one (With Gus being the older brother).

[@cajunking5987]

@@smileyhappyface5864 I don’t base being good for each on similarities.

[@AmazOrgadak]

I don’t think I’d go nuclear if they do a “they’re just friends” but I will absolutely cry my eyes out about it. 😭

[@MrWanton16]

Advanced friendship

[@soupoup]

@@andreachua8288 they could get married and people would be like omg its so cool to see more platonic marriages in shows!

[@Coolskeleton2030]

@@MrWanton16 historians when gay people:

[@aarsy9935]

They're literally adorable, how can some people hate them?!? 😭

[@loose668]

I am one of those nutcases who crack shipped this after Hunting Palismen aired, happily staying in my own lane and rolling my eyes at the haters and never expecting Hunter and Willow to ever actually even TALK in canon, let alone become a couple, and to be so well handled despite the limited time they had to work them in. To say the last few months has been a roller coaster would be an understatement. A lot of the hate this couple gets really is rooted in a mixture of fatphobia and biphobia, I've noticed. Despite Willow and Hunter getting little winking hints at their sexualities (Willow repeatedly being surrounded by pansexual pride colors, and Hunter even sporting a bisexual pride rainbow in TTT) people get angry about a m/f ship getting ANY attention from the writers, even as little as Huntlow gets comparatively speaking. And a lot of comments about how people just don't think Willow needs to be in a relationship at all leave a bad taste in my mouth despite me being Aro/Ace. No one NEEDS to be in a relationship. But if two people are attracted to one another and interested in having one, then great! And the salty comments about Hunter taking screen time away from Willow and Gus REALLY drive me up the wall, since Hunter BUILT UP Willow and Gus in the episodes he shared with them, highlighting what makes them so great and leading to the fandom to appreciate both of them more. That's what makes the bond between the Emerald Trio so satisfying to watch. If you want to look at a character who ACTUALLY overshadows them, then look at Amity. There is a twisted irony in Understanding Willow being titled the way it was, when the true purpose of the episode was Excusing Amity. Willow had NO VOICE for the majority of the episode, and instead Amity was the one who was there explaining Willow TO Luz and the audience, despite not having been friends with her for nearly a decade by that point. And poor Gus REALLY got screwed over in the journey to justify Amity being the one sent into Willow's mind with Luz. Can you really see the Gus we've gotten to know in Season 2 + 3 being more worried about getting a good grade on a paper than the fact that SOMEONE SET WILLOW'S BRAIN ON FIRE AND SHE COULD POTENTIALLY DIE? And that trend continued in Through the Looking Glass Ruins, where Gus FINALLY got some time in the spotlight only to have Amity steal the attention from him by going on a library date with Luz, changing her hair, and kissing Luz on the cheek. And all of this is on top of Amity getting her OWN episodes where Gus and Willow are not present. And yet hardly anyone complains about the imbalance of attention Amity gets, comparatively speaking. Hunter might've gotten a lot of love from the fandom, but he also had far fewer episodes dedicated to his character arc, so they made the most of what little time they had to rehabilitate him.

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

am I crazy or what, I can't see how this is even a crack ship, even back when they barely interacted. Crack used to mean putting two characters from wildly different franchises together in a purposefully funny, ironic way. Characters who don't even know the other exists but they are from the same IP is hardly cracky to me imo. Am I just old? Has the definition of it changed?

[@idonthaveanynameideasyetlmao]

YEAAAH I STARTED SHIPPING IT OUT OF “hey these two have never met and probably never will. crack ship time!” TOO!! so glad it became canon though

[@joyc.e.7511]

I've found my people! I was also thinking they'd make a cute couple and would have good chemistry. Hunter with his fake bravado and Willow being kind and nonjudgmental, looking right past it lol. I had my fingers crossed that they would meet. And then Dana and the crew went and actually wrote it even better than I imagined. The hate they got (and still do) was sadly something I'd seen in fandom places like My Hero Academia. Uraraka x Bakugou was strangely hated. And the only reason I could come up with was because it was a straight relationship. The rude comments fanart of the two would receive, somehow construing the relationship as being abusive? Because of how aggressive Bakugou is, but then shipping BakuDeku in the next breath. As someone who shipped both, it was incredibly frustrating to see. The hate Huntlow receives pisses me off to no end. I get disliking the boring, typical m/f romances, but Huntlow is nothing like those? There's no toxic possessiveness, just great chemistry. There's no stereotypical gendered behavior, Willow is allowed to be strong and they get to save each other. They understand and support each other. They don't need to be in a relationship to be interesting, they stand perfectly well on their own. And that's why they're relationship is so good.

[@seineevee]

Yes!!! Shipping them in a way that’s like “these two characters are both my favorite characters” and drawing fanart that never saw the light of day. I think I still have the tweet coining the “Huntlow” Twitter tag bookmarked on my old account.

[@paulinagonzalez7554]

I just love whoever is doing Hunter's voice. Cause that moment when he reassures willow that she didn't do anything wrong was perfect. The voice performance, the animation- * chef's kiss. My guys, I felt all feels.

[@mangoeswithfudge5012]

Zeno is a great VA. He’s been packing his punches for these specials, when he cried in TTT got me good. Also he’s been trolling on twitter about the ship which makes it more funny to me

[@Luna-ej4mi]

@@mangoeswithfudge5012 Can you remind which one is the TTT episode?

[@flamepelt3092]

@@Luna-ej4mi *T*hanks *t*o *t*hem

[@Luna-ej4mi]

@@flamepelt3092 Ah, thank you!

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

yes and also love willow's voice too like in this episode showing off different kind emotions at once is heartwrenching and heartwarming love tati gabrielle's performance of willow.

[@LittleHobbit13]

Huntlow works because they're each able to naturally give the other what the other needs, largely because they've been there themselves. Hunter grew up thinking you have to earn the right to have value. Willow consistently demonstrates that he has value no matter what he does. Willow has grown up with constant insecurity and fear over being viewed as weak. Hunter, no matter what the circumstance, always defers to Willow as a leader. Huntlow works because they make each other feel truly Seen. They're able to relate to each others' struggles on a much more personal level than their friends can. It's not just about being called "half-a-witch". Even by FtF.... Willow having a crisis because she thinks she doesn't know what to say to help her friends. Hunter explicitly saying "I don't know what to say to help my friends". Hunter's line to Willow about "you've been holding in a lot, haven't you?" -- Hunter has spent the whole episode holding in his own feelings about missing Flapjack in the same way that Willow was holding in her feelings about missing her dads. They just constantly in sync emotionally and just _get each other._

[@qwefg3]

Owl house... Writting better relationships than most shows in far less time.

[@platinumg.8614]

Yeah really. And is impressive how they got rivals to lovers kinda well, a trope that you can count with you fingers good examples, canon or fanon.

[@suumee]

nah huntlow mid

[@pjdixon6199]

@@suumee, L opinion

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Lumity & Huntlow better than whoever the hell wrote Mordecai x Margaret plots

[@jacearmor5274]

Imagine hating a ship simply because the characters are straight, couldn't be me.

[@ObamaMpreg]

Said this already but they aren’t even confirmed to be straight, they could easily be bi/pan/etc

[@cindersnows]

the ironic part is hunter is implied to be bi too 😭 some ppl just hate seeing m/f ships and automatically assume it's straight

[@kotoko5021]

@@cindersnows and Willow is pan, we need more LGBT m/f couple :((

[@cindersnows]

@@kotoko5021 oh damn she is??? where did they say that? :0 /pos

[@broom9155]

@@kotoko5021 Both are not confirmed at all but if what I heard its true, a lot of characters are queer in some way

[@nordinreecendo512]

Most members of any fanbase: "Nooo these two particular characters can't be togetherrr they need to be with these other charactersss" Me: "I just love these kids and want them to be happy, I want them to love whomever they love."

[@ItsBluBun]

Huntlow has taken over my soul and body, I spend all night and all day thinking about them, I scream internally whenever we get even just a crumb of Huntlow content, I spend who knows how many hours looking at Huntlow fanart and being so happy it hurts, they're my addiction, my mental stability, my world, my everything. I'm a Huntloser and I'm proud of it

[@irlelliewilliams]

SO REAL!!!

[@jinorism]

you’re just like me

[@avidnoceur]

and you're so real for that

[@alibrennan5977]

Shit… Same😚

[@sk8rboy]

ur…ur….JUST LIKE ME FR ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@yournotsolocalqueer]

"tHey nEEd ThERaPy" so does lumaity and no on bats an eye for them! Huntlow is so cute and they truly care for each other for who each other are and ugh they're so cute and well done.

[@yournotsolocalqueer]

@@andreachua8288 you can have trauma and still have a good and healthy relationship. relationships can even help you heal from trauma. Human connection is good for the soul.

[@Coolskeleton2030]

i think 99.9% of character in the owl house needs therapy

[@nightigal]

They can be in a relationship but they also need therapy.

[@anerrorhasoccurred8727]

The people who say this are always so boring istg 😭

[@yournotsolocalqueer]

@@anerrorhasoccurred8727THEYRE SO CUTE AND BOTH FLESHED OUT PRETTY WELL CONSIDERING THE REST OF THE CAST WHY DO PEOPLE SAY THAT

[@theluigifan1]

Could not be me, I’ve been shipping it since Hunting Palismen It was a crack ship at the time but I was on board with it even back then. I was just in the shadows with it because extensive fandom discourse gives me an aneurysm. 😵‍💫

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Dude SAME

[@iliyatikhomirov1675]

Fellow crack shipper

[@Charliesvoid863]

The fact that peoples exuse is “they were so rushed!” OFC THEY WERE RUSHED THE SHOW GOT CANCELED BUT SO MUCH HAS PROBABLY GONE ON OFF SCREEN CUZ THEY WERE IN THE HUMAN REALM FOR MONTHS 😭✋🏼

[@the_vine_queen]

I absolutely LOVE HuntLow! It's what I've needed in my life--a woman who finds herself before getting into a relationship, then being a true equal to the man she's with. I absolutely died when I watched their hand-holding scene. I think the main thing is that it's a straight ship, and people are worried it'll overshadow Lumity or something (which it never will because Lumity is amazing and Luz is the main character). Listen. Straight ships are not inherently bad. If done right, they can be amazing. I REALLY wish they had more time to develop everything, but it's just because they're trying to squish an entire season of content into 3 episodes. Everything had to be rushed in order to tie up all the loose ends by the time the show ended. And screw you, Disney, give me more Owl House!

[@gothicrainbow2587]

Huntlow hit me in a way that other ships have not, not even Lumity. Hunter and Willow are both amazing characters to me and they compliment each other so well. The ship is also amazing plus sized rep. I’ve NEVER seen a plus sized character be genuinely crushed on before, and that could literally save children’s lives. There is so much depth and nuance in this ship that really needs to be highlighted. Everything in this video discusses their relationship so well, and I will never understand why it’s so controversial. It’s amazing

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

Completely 💯👍

[@Ayana-LTLA]

I honestly think it’s so stupid how people have a problem with the fact Willow and Hunter like each other. NOT EVERY CHARACTER IN A SHOW HAS TO BE GAY/BI/ACE/PAN!!(now let me be clear that I’m *not* against the idea of characters being that.) And being mad over the fact their headcanon is not real is childish too. You don’t have to accept the canon ships but do cry over how what you wanted isn’t going to happen.

[@danielmonte9757]

And they aren’t even straight! It was confirmed in a recent livestream that Hunter is Bi and Willow is Pan

[@Ayana-LTLA]

@@danielmonte9757 well still in the end, people still act like pieces of garbage because there is a heterosexual ship that ruins their ‘oh so “perfect” gay ship’ (And again I need to make clear that I have no problem with gay ships but some people take them too far when they’re not even canon and cry about it when it doesn’t become that way)

[@HelluvaSwiftie]

@@Ayana-LTLAThis is what happened with Voltron Legendary defenders. The fandom was so into this one gay ship (that made 0 sense) and they all got mad when it wasn’t canon in the end.

[@MrWanton16]

I think it's just a weird thing to be considered controversial period. Like when that word gets brought up I tend to think of pairs that have a bit of a heavy amount of toxic behavior like Makorra or Starco and/or pushes the envelope of enemies to lovers a bit too much like Catradora. Huntlow is a tad rushed sure considering the state the show found itself in but it's a rather healthy/fluffy dynamic between two characters with some mental and self-esteem issues that always support each other. I don't think much about it really stands out as an issue with it. Only noteworthy thing is it being an M/F presenting ship in a heavily focused LGBT-centric show.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

That last sentence is one of reasons why this ship is hated by some people.

[@MrWanton16]

@@valentinkambushev4968 Oh yeah for some sure but that's dumb so I tend to ignore it.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

@@MrWanton16 it is dumb, but sadly it's a thing.

[@xxvskrunkle]

@@MrWanton16 dumb reason ngl all canon ships are adorable for me in this show

[@shyguyrocks1]

It's not that it's a M/F ship it's that it just came out of nowhere and the chemistry isn't there for a lot of people. Willow showed no signs of reciprocating up until this newest episode. Idk. I get why it's not liked personally. I personally think it didn't need to be there or happen at all as it does little for the story in actuality.

[@thatrandomgirl4574]

I relate to willow SO MUCH. Ive had versimulair bullying experiences and felt like i wasn't worst anything and didn't have any talent. After I discouvered my stengths and grew some more confidence it got better. I still think about my bullies a lot. I am in the same stage as willow is rn where she has accepted who she is and is proud of herself. The bullying will forever scar her but she stays true to herself. Also we look a lot alike. I think huntlow is very comforting to me because chubby girls with glasses deserve love too and we don't have to change ourselves to find someone.

[@edatheowllady9518]

Yeah I relate to her too. Except for me finding my strengths.

[@soupoup]

@@edatheowllady9518 same

[@kylenoisegriffin]

10:29 can’t believe you managed to make something so horrific as belos murdering palismen so funny 🤣

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Actually Dana said Willow (as well as Amity and Luz) is actually 15 so it’s even less of an age gap. I don’t know if she was originally 14 at the start of the show but.

[@LovesArt23]

she also said gus and hunter aged up to so now gus is 13 and hunter is 17 which makes sense since the timeline of the show is about 1 yr and 3 moths not surprised we didn't see birthdays with the show being cut

[@rohe1790]

@@LovesArt23doesn’t the show start in the beginning of summer and end at Halloween?

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Ever since Hunting Palisman, when we learned more about Hunter as a character, I always thought Willow would be the right person for him. I never imagined Dana and her crew would actually MAKE THAT HAPPEN, but thank goodness they did.

[@PurpleHoodie666]

I’ve seen this ship accidentally before they met, and at first I was like “Huh… Never thought about it, and never knew it existed, but ok, kinda funny” And even tho it started with “kinda funny”, I quickly started to like them, and I was waiting to see them interact for so long. I was pretty shocked when I heard that this episode where they met will come out. I’ve heard that this episode was about Hunter going to Hexside, and I thought “…Would be cool if he met Willow there”. And when episode came out and I started to watch it, I saw Willow, and the whole episode I was just happily sitting on the chair, thinking “No way they’ll actually interact, no way” AND THEY DIDDDD AND THEN THEY BECAME SUCH A SHIP, ALMOST CANON-

[@leftbower1023]

Agreed. When Hunter called himself half a witch, I was like oh he kind of mirrors Willow. Side note: Dana, I hope you and the crew can make some books to add to the story. Please expand upon Hunter being chased by bees while gardening lol.

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

Willow was the first person to get her palisman and hunter is last person to get his palisman

[@electaleblanc7614]

Luz: "Hunter, are you okay?" GIRL. NO. His best friend died three hours ago.

[@millytheotterlover1680]

One of my favorite things is how gentle Hunter is with Willow. He's very strong, and yet anytime he had to save her (especially in For the Future), he was very gentle with her even though he was moving very quickly. It's just so sweet!

[@N0T_MY_N4M3]

something i love abt their friendship/the ship in general is that they understand each other. the whole “half-a-witch” thing, they’ve both been through, so they can comfort each other and tell them that it isn’t true. i also love how protective they are both over each other. it’s so cute!

[@lorek33perandfriends47]

Something I DONT see pointed out enough is that moment Hunter figures out Willow isn’t really Willow in 2x18. Amity spends the whole episode trying to protect Willow and underestimating her, and the SECOND Willow shows signs of being scared of the illusions, Hunter knows immediately that it can’t be her. It makes sense, because Hunter has ONLY ever known her as the strongest plant witch in Hexside, maybe even the whole boiling isles, but that juxtaposition between him and Amity is just so lovely.

[@ashebennett7726]

Even if I’m not too crazy about the ship, I do LOVE how they are on equal standing as a power couple and that there is an understanding between the two. They are couple goals. I have no problem with it. They’re happy and healthy together and not to mention supportive of each other. We need more of that in media.

[@staticlake3383]

A lot of f/m couples in media follow this formula: - Male character is irresponsible, strong, dumb, falls for literally every woman he sees. - Female character is responsible, smart, weak, obsessed with their image, and seems to tolerate their partner because reasons. The owl house taking a break from this and giving both characters smarts and not making the male character the strong one, or the female character the obsessive one for once was indeed very refreshing.

[@gegnabean]

As a ship, I really appreciate huntlow. I’ve always felt like me and Willow are a lot alike. We both look similar and act similar and seeing a character like her thriving in the story is honestly amazing and super refreshing- I feel like no matter who Hunter ended up with people would end up being upset since he’s kinda the fandoms golden boy.

[@gegnabean]

@@andreachua8288 ahh I remember seeing Dana saying some stuff it being end game so I definitely has a feeling it was gonna happened even back when it was just a fan ship.

[@soupoup]

@@gegnabean yeah when you rewatch the show you see it has so many cool paralells even before they meet which is really neat

[@segevstormlord3713]

One thing that I think is also very crucial in the moment where Willow is at her lowest and Hunter goes yellow to pull her out of it... Willow has been sublimating her problems to try to be there for everyone else. Hunter has been focused on "fixing" the problems he feels responsible for and ignoring everyone's emotional needs. When Hunter really is able to come to grips with his own feelings of grief and other sorrows is when he lets go of thinking about it as being about _him._ When he realizes _that Willow needs him._ Yes, Willow likes being the one people rely on, and it's been good for Hunter, in particular, that she takes on that role, but Hunter needs to also learn the next step beyond considering whether his actions are right and what he really wants to be is truly thinking of others. He shows this many times, but it's when he focuses on supporting Willow, on being the one SHE can rely on, on cherishing her for being important to him, that he's able to let himself be vulnerable enough to show her that he hurts but also that she and the others are what he is leaning on. And realizing that Hunter will let her in so she can unload on him, that she's valued because she's herself, not just because she's a crutch to lean on, that lets her open up about her own problems and accept help dealing with them. More to the point: It's when they stop trying to be isolated islands that will weather the storm alone, but instead turn to supporting each other, that they are, themselves, able to lay down their burdens to a degree.

[@Toadstool22]

20:32 Eda’s orphanage should be it’s own spin-off show where she just kidnaps/adopts random children off the street

[@lulu7.765]

I think that there may be something more to the Huntlow hate than just the ship, for what I have seen there seems to be a passive-aggressive dislike of Willow. People give many reasons for it, the main one being "she's just not well develop", or "her development feels forced", but that is BS Would she be better if she had gotten to have more screen time?, yes, but there are plenty of characters in shows that could have used more screen time and yet they don't get this treatment Part of me kind of fears that this comes from a not explicitly dislike of plus sized characters, cause the other reasons people give to actively dislike Willow could be said about other characters that don't receive the hate that she does

[@lulu7.765]

I had already made this comment, but i think it got deleted? Edit: Wait, is this video a reupload?

[@ivyproductions7097]

I feel like the dislike of Willow may come from jealousy of all things. I know that sounds basic but hear me out! Hunter is huge fan favorite with tons of people simping over him (children do watch this show) and so they have to tear the character their paired with to justify their dislike of the ship. Because if the ship is fine than their jealous of a cartoon character, and that’s just silly. Just a theory I’ll throw out there, TOH is full of young adults and teens

[@lionsgamers592]

@@ivyproductions7097 Even tho I kinda simp for Hunter I still like Huntlow, is a sweet ship that even tho it feels kinda rushed (Disney's fault ehem) it still works in a healthy fluffy way.

[@alorapendrak9752]

How do people see Willow as fat? she's really not if you look at realistic body portions of actual teenage girls. She's about average just really curvy and not model thin. I look at her and she doesn't seem like a big girl to me.

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

jokes on them hunter is already taken by the pant queen willow with both them love each other and haters who hate willow can go now

[@ShadowPenguin]

Hunter (physically & mentally strong while being kind and gentle) Willow: (gentle & tender in conduct while having a fired up spirit as well as being strong) Winter: (using strength to protect the tenderness while using fired up spirit strength to cater towards the gentleness both of them have)

[@Drizzle-]

I used to think hunter was to traumatised to really involve himself in romance. Anyway since the time skip in thanks to them he really developed and recovered and although he lost flapjack (and y know kinda got possessed by his evil emperor uncle/brother) he was stronger for it; he didn’t cower and even stood up to Belos (evil emperor uncle in question) and recently in for the future he really begins to trust and (dare I say it) love willow. I’ve come to love this ship and I really think it adds to the show overall

[@3bay]

The phrase “uncle brother” can sum up all the confusion in hunters life

[@pepepecaspicapapas4726]

Sweet Home Alabama

[@Kat-ts3lu]

16:26 - she’s annoyed, but when she hears hunter call himself “walf-a-witch” she makes it her mission today to show hunter that he’s wrong, and to break him out of that mindset… By burying him alive. *Add begins to roll.* Me: 👁👄👁

[@leebulger7112]

26:31 I did not notice until now that in the scrap book they were watching Hocus Pocus and they are understandably not thrilled that the witches are the villains.

[@jhanandreamarquez4197]

Willow isn't pleased

[@leebulger7112]

@@jhanandreamarquez4197 yes certainly she is not.

[@metalskulkbanepl161]

"Please don't call yourself that ever again." I cry very rarely when consuming fiction. Fairly sure it didn't happen before with Owl House. But something about this resonated so much with me.

[@subject7325]

I was legitimately as shocked as Chorus when I found out people hated HunterXWillow