Tuners Nerfed?! What Happened To Tuner DLC Cars - GTA 5 Fact-Finding №36

[@broughy1322]

Update: This was largely fixed (not quite reverted but Tuners perform much closer to how they used to) in the Criminal Enterprises DLC. Details here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqLdpaF-gtxgmc0 *Relevant Links* Updated Lap Times Of All Tuners: twitter.com/Broughy1322/status/1483496424071389185 Fact-Finding №20: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJq1pah4iM-HfcU Original Viseris Top Speed Testing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobTn6htobxghas Super Speed Viseris Crazy Race: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHPIl4mdnqubopI Tuners Lowered Stance vs Default: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXa0YXh-iMlniKM Tuners Initial Top Speed Testing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pamQq3WsqJZmarM Tuners (2021) Lap Time Video (Now Inaccurate): kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGLWg3WLodJ-fbM Tuners (2021) Top Speed Video (Still Accurate): kzbin.info/www/bejne/maGueauZZbNgi8k *Various Info & Links* More GTA 5 Videos: broughy.com/gta5 Ways To Support Me: broughy.com/support Check the video description for series playlist, plus more relevant info & links! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Watch Me Website: broughy.com Twitch: twitch.tv/broughy1322 Main Channel: kzbin.info Second Channel: kzbin.infosrandombits Follow Me Twitter: twitter.com/broughy1322 Facebook: facebook.com/broughy1322 Instagram: instagram.com/broughy1322 Discord: discord.gg/broughy1322 Support Me KZbin Membership: kzbin.info/join Patreon: patreon.com/broughy1322 Donate: streamlabs.com/broughy1322 Merchandise: broughy.com/merch

[@dogface45]

Lol I'm not a genius but I'm intelligent enough to understand that the Oppressor and Pariah are a slap in the face. I get the play on words for the average gamers intelligence,art imitates life and vice versa.

[@davidflewelling5043]

After reading 141 comments. I have to ask. Did they fix the fat back tire speed glitch on the Gargoyle motorcycle? With that glitch , during the lobby wide top speed competition was easy. Normally won them with wheelie top speed of 185 mph.

[@leftybender9125]

Thanks so much for the video! I've been waiting for a big name on youtube and in the gta community to bring attention to this stupid "fix" that rockstar has put in. I myself am part of the drifting community and used the futo gtx. Safe to say that as long as this patch is in place I wont be doing any drifting.

[@NappaDZ]

I get why they made the Subaru 22b (sultan rs clasic) and the Celica GT4 (calico gtf) not drift because they're awd and rally cars. Dunno why they did it to the s2000(dinka) datsun 620 (warrener hkr) and the ae86 (futo)

[@spear97]

@@davidflewelling5043 still exists to this day, miles worse on PC than consoles due to FPS differences too

[@LeRoux027]

There was NO REASON to put a handling flag on these cars. There is NO COMPETITIVE EDGE to using a stanced, low grip on any of the tuners vehicle in any street race unless you do a custom straight line race. It COMPLETLY RUINS the drifting experience as you no longer accelarate during rev ups, all you can do now is power slide awkwardly. It was also so much fun to barrel down the highway at 160mph knowing any little mistake would cause a massive crash. For the first time in gta you could feel true speed at the expense of control. Revert the change. Fix back the Tuners. Drop the handling flags.

[@fuckingloser2817]

There's also this race kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaKzkqemrdikipo

[@kingshacklebolt]

Agreed - there really isn’t much benefit to it, I’ve never won a race with low grip tires in lowered stance, it’s just fun.

[@trane22j]

This

[@michaelselby7107]

I completely agree, it’s crazy how this disgrace of a company can make fun things that are in the game terrible. They don’t know wtf to prioritize. For example, god mode glitches that have been in the game for months now are still not fixed, and yet they choose to “fix” this. Rockstar is an absolute joke.

[@poorlydrawngouf4281]

In a way the low grip tires at that speed felt scary to drive which if you were driving 160 mph down a highway you wpuld be both entertained and scared at the same time. It was probably the closest to real life driving gta had

[@1EnZBosS1]

I still miss the veseris. Best bugged car they have ever added and honestly that is how fast i want cars to go in gta. Makes breaking oh so more important. And could make drag racing even cooler.

[@CarlDraper]

Same. I still like driving it occasionally but i would drive it far more often if it was left along

[@exmachina1405]

Kinda wish it stayed like that as well, mainly because I love the DeTomaso Pantera

[@draggy6544]

The best bit about the viseris was that it was even faster in the long run than rocket stuff trust me if everything does 180 than the novelty runs out quickly

[@dravenwozny77]

The best glitch car I liked was the armored karuma. You ran it over with the tank and broke 3out of the 4 tires off the car. Then open the right rear door, get in and start driving boom car with glitch out and start flying, it was hilarious to see.

[@butterflidoors2617]

shooting brake disks + kicking fenders should still speed glitch most cars, unless r* patched exactly that :(

[@w00t277]

I just find it hilarious that half a year later, when the dust settled, everyone had fun with the "calicos" reaching crazy speeds, R* suddenly goes "oh yeah, that, it doesn't work anymore, go cope, kid". Like everyone got used to it and Rockstar suddenly slaps you in the face for something they forgot about.

[@trane22j]

You already bought em so they're happy. Now go buy the new cars right? Fucking R* 🤡

[@Saru-yr3qk]

I'm glade I bought all the tuner DLC cars through glitched dupped money. I can't imagine how annoying it most be to grind for hours to buy and upgrade these cars, only for R* to gimp their performance 6 months later. It's even worse if you bought these cars with actual money. Fuck this company, they're never getting a dime from me.

[@Thanos1908]

@@Saru-yr3qk I only buy the good looking ones (cause they look cool and my fleet can always do with more cars..fast or slow is irrelevant, they are show pieces) and the ones tested to be the "best of the bunch". When it comes to freemode...sadly its always the 2-3 same vehicles that I use... the state of the lobby can turn from smurf village to ww3 in less than 60 seconds...and one grows tired of getting blown up in a mamba topless whilst minding their own business.

[@Damien_Priest]

Fuck Rockstar. And they wonder why people glitch money and dupe cars. Cause of BS like this. So Glad I don't purchase vehicles at full price. I either wait til it's heavily discounted or I get it for free from the podium. No vehicle is safe from their clutches.

[@foodistzen]

@@Saru-yr3qk they already got your dime when you bought the game

[@nerdquake]

I used my futo gtx after this update and immediately noticed something was wrong. Hilariously, the normal futo is now BETTER for drifting due to it having HBB, even though the GTX was targeted for drifting fans!

[@centuryhelix8727]

Itsuki is laughing all the way home in his AE85 rn

[@Mako32]

same. as the leader of a futo not a cult its a sad day

[@damocles5069]

Same thing here, I noticed that too

[@Joshismakingmusicnow]

I noticed straight away as well

[@angelgjr1999]

Rockstar is such a joke. Fuck gta online.

[@StxnceUK]

Cheers for highlighting this. As you said, this change greatly impacts those of us who try to drift these cars. Without the middrive, they are pretty useless as drift cars which defeats the whole point of them being advertised as such (IMO).

[@theSafetyCar]

Only the rt3000 and futo can still slide. They haven't changed too much, I already didn't use handbrake boost for them since they slide well enough and are more controllable without using it.

[@WESTBLACKMANE]

@@theSafetyCar Cmon bro, it aint drifting if u aint using the handbrake boost.. #FIXTHETUNERCLASS

[@stevesteele3312]

@@WESTBLACKMANE real drifters despise handbrake use, be a real drifter and stop cheating with handbrake. If you drifting a stanced banshee or something similar, then fair enough they kind of need it. But there is no excuse for using handbrake with low grip tires.

[@z33jake17]

@@stevesteele3312 that might be one of the dumbest comments ive read in a long while man

[@stevesteele3312]

@@z33jake17 Go pull lots of unnecessary handbrake in a drift comp and you’ll lose points for it. Banshees and other non low grip tired drift cars are the only ones that need any handbrake use at all for drifting. Do you actually think that’s a dumb comment, or do you just disagree and maybe offended that you use too much handbrake?

[@nismo97]

One of the reasons why I don't play this game as much is because you just don't know anymore what you're getting yourself into when you buy a car. Of course, some cars will be slower than others, but many DLC cars in this game (especially the ones with all the advanced flags) don't follow the basic rules from day-1 or the majority of cars. I'd say the worst case is the Jester Classic, a car loved by many people that for some reason someone at Rockstar decided that it would have broken shock absorbers and faulty fuel injectors. Either "fix" all the cars, or don't touch anything at all.

[@Scourge77]

Yep, this is why I NEVER buy any new, released cars until AFTER Broughy has tested them. He's the only one I trust to put out fair, unbiased results of the cars.

[@VacantSpirit]

I buy cars if I like em and ofc ones that are fine addition to my collection

[@Epotheros]

Why would the Jester classic be a broken car? The Mk. IV Supra it was based was never know to be a good car for track racing and its fame is generally associated to the motor attaining 700 hp on stock internals.

[@jameznash]

100% - They really need somebody like Broughy on the team who would test everything and balance the cars. At the end of the day its a Car game. We race them, collect them, have car shows in the game. The more R* add news cars - the more handling flags they add - but they dont seem to understand how these flags change things regarding this balance.

[@Relayzy1]

@@jameznash No they just don't fucking care.

[@Skyppaii]

A dev at Rockstar got beat by a tuner once, so they nerfed the whole class out of spite.

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Rockstar is really quite terrified of any car going over 140, it's ridiculous

[@VapidFreak]

"It lags the game" No it doesn't. I've owned an S2 before this, and they're retarded. The game glitched when I drove my fucking CLUB, and that was because it was a full lobby with two booters.

[@angelgjr1999]

@@VapidFreak You can do damn near 200 mph in the batmobile. Rockstar is staffed by idiots. Honestly I don’t see myself playing this game anymore.

[@Wraikey]

@@VapidFreak what actually lags the game is putting a ridiculous amount of bs into the game that has bombs and then puts 32 instead of 16 people into a lobby. The Ps3 had problems at 16, the ps4 didnt. The ps4 had problems at 32 (now also at around 20 cause of all that added bs). Hopefully the "enhanced" version isnt a 64+ lobby so the ps5 also gets to its limits.

[@BQQB5]

In the meanwhile I go 150-160 with Itali GTO and RSX

[@AhmadWahelsa]

@@Wraikey honestly its more of a bad coding, if FiveM can handle more than 100+ players why GTAO cant? using PC myself and yes having full lobby compared to empty session does indeed drop my fps from 80-90 to 50-60, while in FiveM (it has custom server files) i got stable 40-60 fps on 300 players server.

[@itznotgizmo1261]

Viseris was my favourite car when it came out with its muscle car handling. Haven't drove it since the patch😭

[@alah7243]

It sucked and it’s ugly

[@zoltangt07]

@@alah7243 it’s a de tomaso pantera and you probably have bennys on your car

[@JBlades88WV]

Same. R* always has to ruin everything fun and kill my buzz.

[@kosmo6980]

@@alah7243 your nuts that car is gorgeous

[@illdeletethismusic]

occasionally i drive it, it can still be nice to drive past cars of its tier on the straights, but i never got to know the original car

[@silicosisralphie8192]

I was getting rather bored with GTA until the tuner DLC, when I got into drifting, both with low grip tuners, and cars like the Standard Futo and Rapid GT. But now all my drift tuners are awful to drive and I could swear the mid drift boost feels weird on my pre-tuner cars.

[@JBlades88WV]

Yeah I noticed when I try to handbrake boost in any car they now downshift into first gear and won't go over 40mph.

[@i_smoke_ghosts]

@@JBlades88WV hey wait so not Just turner cars ? i was feelin my fav schafterv12 was lacking the balls i thought it use to have but it couldve also been me not dialed in.. thanx for sharing!

[@JBlades88WV]

@@i_smoke_ghosts I thought it was other cars at first but it's just the tuners that have been nerfed. Other cars can still handbrake boost.

[@tribeard5424]

Rockstar: "like the tuners update?" Everyone: "ya we love it!" Rockstar: "too bad"

[@asideaccount393]

Btw wanted to let you know the upcoming Zeno has a Xa-21 collision bug. Avoid the mirror upgrades to prevent your car from flying in the air over random bumps when it comes out.

[@broughy1322]

I’m aware, but thank for the heads up anyway. I’ll be making sure to let people know

[@dybixs1400]

Mercedes vibes

[@arphos8328]

What's the collision bug in the XA-21?

[@DBrealmadrid9606]

@@arphos8328 I am interested as well.

[@arphos8328]

@@DBrealmadrid9606 Did a little digging on Reddit and found an old thread about the XA-21 post arena war update that had some ground clipping issue once custom mirrors were added. So, I guess leaving the mirrors alone is the fix.

[@asideaccount393]

Absolutely ruined their drifting potential! Even the cars slower for races (Warrener, RT3000, and Remus) were great at drifting so they all had uses. Now all the cars are awful at drifting and weird to race with it

[@WESTBLACKMANE]

Rockstar games should refund me/everyone for the millions wasted trying to perfect my drift build only for them to kill the tuners

[@harrymitchell9519]

@@WESTBLACKMANE just do the merge glitch in the auto shop and put low grips on the og futo, sentinel and schafter V12, that's what I did.

[@WESTBLACKMANE]

@@harrymitchell9519 Yeah i know bro, it was just good to finally not have to do glitches and shoot my wheels to be able to drift. RIP

[@SnarlyCharly]

I feel like there's no way the Growler still has the same top speed as before. It feels SOOOOO slow now in comparison. I'm so sad, that was probably my favorite car of all the tuners, and it got nerfed the hardest out of all of 'em. RIP Growler

[@brandtconners7858]

Damn I won it on the Lucky Wheel this week in the casino, upgraded it and was looking forward to using it. Now I never got to use a fully upgraded one before this update.

[@tateevans9143]

One of my favorite cars of the game. The acceleration was incredible. Good top end speed too it was lacking a little in the midrange but boy I love that car. Imma high level GTA 5 racer and compete wit cars that are not so easy to drive. You have to have throttle control racing the Growler, the back end will get away from you easy

[@iNFaunTae]

facts growler was my fav too. Was thinking of getting the car in real life as well.

[@SnarlyCharly]

@@iNFaunTae ha, I can only ever dream of owning a car like that irl

[@jonasguiot718]

It doesnt benefit from bumps anymore so thats the reason why the top speed changed. It doesnt change in Broughy’s videos because he tests cars in flat roads :)

[@fodaseocanal]

from the R* created races there was one I found where you could exploit a Comet S2 with low grip. I think it's called Trench IV? It's a transform race starting with sports in which you quickly transform into a Rocket Voltic after 2 fairly long straights and a very subtle corner in between them. You only use your custom S2 on that section, so no downside to not having grip. But it's a transform race, it's rare to ever find people who know what they're doing on those, it's not like you'd need that advantage - I tried it a couple of times for fun, you can really watch them disappear in your rear mirror lol

[@captaindreadnought212]

> Bring out an update everyone loves > add cars people have been asking for for years > ruin them 6 months later with a pointless patch for no fucking reason GG R* well played

[@AC72]

The dominator asp was one of my favourite cars to drive. I went to use it in day one of the update and it just felt wrong

[@ShadowkingSk]

Same

[@jtr4256]

Same, I use the GTT a fair bit. I noticed it felt off before I even knew about the Tuner car changes.

[@AC72]

@@jtr4256 I always used to handbrake boost out of corners with it but it felt like it was in neutral. I guess I know why now

[@angelgjr1999]

Rockstars ruined tuners. I’m so done with this game.

[@georgewilson4608]

@@AC72 the only 2 mustangs able to do it now ruined 😒

[@Scourge77]

No click bait, no gimmicks, just fair, unbiased information. That's why I keep coming back and using your information on GTA cars. I always wait until after you finish your testing whether to go out and buy, or not, new cars being released. Your reputation, information, and no nonsense approach is unrivaled. I always trust you and the information you're giving us, because you give it to us straight. Even if you don't know something or you end up being wrong, you correct yourself. Many others wouldn't do that. Keep up the great work, you're doing fantastic, and everyone in the GTA world an immeasurable service. 👏👏👏

[@broughy1322]

Thank you for the kind words 😊

[@ptrcrispy]

FINALLY someone acknowledges that calling it “Double Clutching” makes zero sense. 4:17

[@yank31]

Broughy has a very sharp vocabulary, to match his understanding :)

[@robroberts4323]

In the game yes, in RL it makes perfect sense.

[@broughy1322]

Finally? I’ve been consistently saying this for 8 years now since it has no relation what double clutching is in real life.

[@ptrcrispy]

@@broughy1322 Nah, sorry I didn’t know but then again I don’t every thing you put out.

[@Johnny362000]

@@robroberts4323 no it doesn't. If you think a technique that makes you go faster being called "double clutching" makes any sense you have never driven a car with 3 pedals in your life

[@Zwidawurzn]

I mean it sucks but that's just what Rockstar do: Patch out everything that's fun. Because in some rare cases people could use it for these missions where you have to go across the whole map and with faster cars the mission could be actual fun and maybe even done quicker, Rockstar can not accept this, better they ruin all Tuner cars to get rid of that fast driving fun.

[@blackhawk3456]

It’s ironic how they changed missions to give you more money the longer you take, we do them quicker to earn less money and now they’re patching our cars that let us do them faster, further punishing us for doing them quickly, as if less pay wasn’t already enough. They’re trying so hard to keep this game a time wasting grind.

[@Gordanovich02]

I had a lot of fun with the Dominators and even managed to win a bunch of races against faster cars but they're joyless tubs now, you just can't balance the rear on the throttle like before. Same for the Tailgater S, they may as well have made it all wheel drive.

[@MrNightmarekill]

This is really quite the let down, the first day I got my Calico, I had soooo much frickin fun using the low grip/lowered set up, I seriously drove around with that car for hours on end, just driving around LS randomly. Being able to go 170-180 MPH down the highway because of curb boosts, or even down some city streets if you controlled it well enough, and that made it so much fun for me, I felt like I was driving a really high powered vehicle, something I've never really felt for a long time in GTAO. Annnnd now that's gone, because Rockstar has always gotta remove the fun stuff, yet I can almost guarantee that Titan bug from CEO warehouse sells is still in the game. I hope that is not, but ayiyi, I thought Rockstar was getting back on track with good quality of life features, but this is a setback for sure, specifically with the way they did it. It's crazy how noticeable the top speed difference is on the Calico now, that car was one of the most fun things I've experienced in GTAO. RIP to the Corvette speed of the Calico, gone but never forgotten, you will be dearly missed.

[@marciliojunior4919]

This change wont be reverted, mark my words

[@thesoberdrunkman9845]

words marked.

[@Scythe17]

These cars were way too expensive to have the hand brake boost removed, that makes them utterly useless for drifting now. I have been in both the drift and race scenes for years, this sucks! I will say to be fair, they didn't drift all that well anyway... they really needed just a little more torque mid slide. I tried multiple and none drifted quite like the OG cars. (Futo, Stanced Shchwartzer, older muscle cars, etc). Still very sad about this though.

[@noodlehead2956]

Watching this video now after seeing all of the HSW cars made me come up with a theory. Rockstar nerfed the tuners because they were worried that the tuner cars would take some attention away from the HSW cars. They probably thought of a scenario where somebody would look at the HSW car and say "why would I need this if my S2 already goes faster".

[@SnD-js2hw]

Great video. The handling flag doesn't just get activated with handbrake boost. But with any traction loss, such as oversteering. Even if they prevent handbrake boost, I just don't want to lose power to wheels. Which is what actually affects performance. HBB is fun though for free roam. I'd like all advanced flags to be removed and just individually nerf top speeds of certain cars the correct way.

[@GreenTheGrape]

No reason to nerf the top speeds though. They'll get kicked to the kerb by anything that can handle better

[@Liv1ngTheDream]

Just had a race where the power completely dropped out after a corner, would have lost but I think the same happened to the other guy who ended up quitting. Looks like street races are pointless now.

[@manfreygordon]

the dominator ASP's handbrake boost was so much fun. this makes me sad.

[@stinkybojangles4128]

Rockstar needs to realize that in a game where you have flying rocket bikes, space cannons and laser guns a few unintentionally broken things are fine....ie the Tuners cars and even the Kuruma glitch

[@dybixs1400]

Rockstar on their way to patch fun bugs/glitches instead of God Mode or fixing their game properly: 🏃🏃🏃🏃

[@mioszantas4462]

Yeah going 180mph on a highway in a comet s2 was really fun and the thing took like 500m distance to go down to 0 and wanted to spin out on every turn that wasn't minimal so not like it was going to be exploited in any way, damn it rockstar

[@_m.a.y.o_]

i'm so excited for the downforce / active spoiler fact finding vid :) amazing as always

[@neverstopushing3638]

i noticed this with the cypher in the snow, and the sultan with lowgrips in the snow. Everytime i would initiate a higher speed 4 wheel drift, or a regular drift, it would bog down and straighten out, or with the awd, yank the wheels to the nearest object that would destroy the car. The cypher was one of my favorite drift cars, just because how unpredictable it was, and how good it handled low speed drifting. Really a shame. And also the sultans drifts were not initiated or used the handbrake. the cypher however did use it, but that was to keep it in a low gear. however, a seasoned drifter can use the regular brake to a similiar advantage, just no, no lift shifts

[@kinzie3915]

I really loved racing street races but now I feel like I absolutely forgot how to drive those cars. Jester RR, Sultan, Vectre or cypher were my top cars for any street race. Now I feel like I'm gonna crash while going over some bump plus traction is a little bit weird too.

[@budder3606]

yea i felt the exact same way when i was racing with my friend. now i gotta get used to its worse performance thx R*

[@dev5655]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I thought I was crazy for thinking some of the tuners wernt getting the boost. Hell I thought I was just rusty and missing the timing

[@ix-badsport-xix7433]

I was okay with the advance handling flags that were added to the previous vehicles from the Souther San Andreas Super Sports Update, Nightclub DLC, etc. mainly because I understood it was for testing purposes. The Jester Classic for example would be in the top 10 for Sports had it not been affected by these handling flags. But would it really that much for them to reverse their decision and take these flags off? And as for these Tuner DLC cars I believe the reason they did this was to promote people to buy Expanded and Enhanced, think about it. Why would they fix this “patch” when they have a new version of the game coming out? They did this so people would be more keen to buy the next version of the game. It sucks but it makes sense. Why else would they do such a sh*ty fix?

[@remu6841]

how is patching low grips and nerfing tuner cars related to E&E?

[@ix-badsport-xix7433]

@@remu6841 Think about it, they want people to buy the new game right? So what better way to motivate people to spend their money than to ruin the experience on what’s now considered old Gen (PS4/Xbox One) I wouldn’t doubt if Expanded and Enhanced has all of the handling flags fixed. So don’t think R* is gonna do shit for old Gen when it comes to advance handling flags.

[@milankowalsky7291]

@@remu6841 What he meant is, rockstar is intentionaly making this version of the game unfun so that they could sell more of the enhanced version, cause average consumers will assume enhanced means better, more fun in this case, forgetting it's from the same people.

[@leonrive9276]

@@ix-badsport-xix7433 pretty sure that the tuners are meant to be 'tunable' in e&e

[@斑馬紋-i2g]

看到有中文字幕的時候..淚流滿面... 超超感謝某位大大的翻譯... 你會好人有好報的..

[@broughy1322]

Google translate helped me to understand this. I’m glad the captions helped!

[@斑馬紋-i2g]

@@broughy1322 google translate not perfect But someday through AI it will be perfect and thx your video...

[@Aspect46]

Thanks for your hard work Brough !

[@Johnny362000]

I find it very amusing how R* make an effort to fix this type of speed bug every time it crops up: the Viseris, the Tuners, the Slamvan Custom, hell they even kinda accidentally patched the Rapid GT, and yet the 811 is still completely broken. I guess its brokenness doesn't really make itself known on console and that's how it's slipped under the radar. I hope they never notice it and it continues to be broken because it's extremely fun

[@_m.a.y.o_]

shhh they'll hear you

[@turkicsayajin2274]

what’s broken about it ?

[@Johnny362000]

@@turkicsayajin2274 the exact same thing that was the case with these tuners: crazy high top speed due to a bug

[@_m.a.y.o_]

@@Johnny362000 didn't it also go faster with higher fps

[@Johnny362000]

@@_m.a.y.o_ all cars with this type of bug do

[@mrsjr78]

Great explanation and information on what happened as always, Broughy. I'm sure there's a ton of misinformation and confusion out there about this to those who are actually aware of it. And I hope people are pointed to you before making uniformed claims.

[@heatmisered]

Very well done Broughy. Critiquing comments handled and delivered like a true Pro!

[@MrMegaMario64]

Your speech at the end was very well spoken. It makes me feel awful for those who had genuine enjoyment before these tuners got changed.

[@disobeytoday4685]

Spare a thought for those of us who've stayed away from Tuner cars so we could enjoy the whole thing from new during our 3 week Christmas holidays

[@daiboy456]

If Rockstar ever decide to actually fix anything with cars, their first priority should be the car classes themselves. There's so many cars that should not be where they are today.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

As the time goes, i´m only happier with my decision to quit this mess of a game. I will still watch Broughy, tho. I like his suffering, but i also like his seriousness, when he does his best.

[@delgado8867]

i'm well on my way to doing the same thing i swear whoever makes these patches is smoking crack

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

@@delgado8867 good luck with it. Being on the way to do it and actually make it happen are 2 different things.

[@itriggerpeople2620]

Time to build up a PC to make a drift server.

[@manswho5369]

Another thing I have noticed when driving the tuner cars while doing donuts or drifts at low RPMs, it seems like the character continuously hits the handbrake throughout the donut or drift. You can even see the rear tires stop spinning as if you're hitting the handbrake.

[@beckyross3210]

Yep that's what happens in my remus they have completely fucked every drift car

[@FunkkyPanda69]

The Dominator GTT and ASP are shit at donuts now. Fucking cockstar ruining fun for the sake of shark cards. RIP my Mustang Cobra R build. Also the Futo is fucked too 😭

[@manswho5369]

@@FunkkyPanda69 it does that with the futo, s2k, comet s2, etc. It happens on all of them from what I have seen.

[@MattChaffe]

This is what makes FiveM and Project Homecoming so much better. You don't have a bunch of idiots fooling around with cars and aspects of them that they don't even understand themselves. It's a shame what its come down to. Glad Project Homecoming guys know their stuff and know what we want as racers.

[@Johnny362000]

I wouldn't be _that_ generous to FiveM or even to PH.

[@Ashleydc29]

@@Johnny362000 in comparison to rockstar's disappointment in every single update? I would say five M deserves to be crowned a king

[@VapidFreak]

@@Johnny362000 Compared to the vanilla game? Yeah, they're better than Cockstar Lames.

[@Johnny362000]

@@VapidFreak I'm talking about the statement that they don't have "a bunch of idiots fooling around with cars and aspects of them they don't even understand" Even ignoring the plethora of other FiveM servers, even on Project Homecoming I don't think I can agree with this. Trust me, I worked on it lol

[@lexus8018]

But the Hydra speed glitch that has been in the game for 7 years almost, (which allows you to go from Paleto to LSIA under 3 minutes) still remains the king of fast travel across large distances. But a car that can outrun a MK2? Need to fix that immidieatly.

[@VapidFreak]

Of course, they have to have some way to try and sell a scam. Fuck them.

[@drift_works]

! news on the comet s2 cabrio for those interested ! From the files the comet s2 cabrio will be a car that has nothing to do with the tuners, it will be a car apart. On the plus side, this version is not infected with advanced handling flags which only spoil the game experience. cit. how did you remember the viseris or cars like jester Classic, swinger ...

[@beckyross3210]

I have enjoyed every car that has had advanced handling flags🤷‍♂️

[@xnotasweatx]

@@beckyross3210 ikr, it makes the car fun too drive they just aren’t competitive

[@xJOJOx31]

@@xnotasweatxi see not everybody has the same definition of the word "fun"

[@xnotasweatx]

@@xJOJOx31 well no shit not everyone has the same opinion as you

[@ernestochang1744]

My favorite handling flag was i think the RE7B where it was really fast around bumps

[@willienelson8377]

They get up and ask each other "how can we ruin what we've literally just built"

[@NatureXwars]

Thank you for covering it. Exactly, these high top speeds induced by the stancing have no harm to anyone & is quite fun to mess around, the way they go about using the Viseris' AHF in solving it is very lazily done without considering the consequences of affecting the driftability, such brain deads R* is! Have you considered starting a new petition to remove this AHF from all the Tuners cars Broughy?

[@xJOJOx31]

He did that once with older AHF. R* wiped their asses with the petition

[@NatureXwars]

Ik, all they did to the bouncy AHF was toning it down a bit not completely remove it. But this Viseris AHF on the Tuners needs some serious reconsideration on their end 'cause it's such a big deal for the drifting community.

[@xJOJOx31]

@@NatureXwars if the drifting comunity is bigger than racing comunity they should give it a try

[@NatureXwars]

It doesn't have to be. They literally scammed us of the vehicles & if they want to avoid potential suing they'd need to make things right.

[@silicosisralphie8192]

Thank you for getting this out so quickly. A champion of the people

[@Prawny]

I won the Growler from the podium over the weekend and noticed the weird handbrake boost behaviour but thought nothing of it. Having never driven it before I just thought it was a quirk of the car itself! At least I didn't waste money buying it, I suppose.

[@paulmarmitelover3073]

I recently did some stunt races with my mates and their Tuners cars couldn't complete a lap because of the limited revs. Great job R*

[@chrislorusso433]

So they "fix" the top speed "problem" but do noting about the ultra bouncy collision and suspension physics issues that make the tuner cars actually bad to race?

[@nicolau108]

I couldn’t find a video on this so I thought maybe it was a normal thing. Thank you for this video explaining exactly what’s been happening. I hope they revert but I doubt they will.

[@intergaIIactic]

God forbid we have some fun in this game. Almost every patch feels like a slap in the face to the community somehow. I still don't understand why they walled off the cargo compartment of the Bombushka.

[@hiramslate1489]

Great info as always, though I wish more than a second or two was spent on the Dominator ASP and Tailgater S, as at least a little more assurance that they haven't lost their spots as I think the #2 in muscle(after the new Buffalo) and #2-ish in sedans(after the schafter twins).

[@broughy1322]

You can be assured. The tailgater is in 3rd now btw after the cinquemila

[@ChristianChalliner]

The thing that bugs me is that none of it is unified across the cars. If they all didn't HBB, kerb boost, etc I'd probably be fine with it. But I don't understand why on some cars it's 'ok' but on others it's not. I enjoyed the worse handling but increased top speed with the stanced cars. It was pretty fun, challenging and just good fun to drive around in free roam.

[@yellowevo5483]

Thank you for explaining changes!

[@iiLikeLatinas]

So rockstar will patch a fun high speed glitch and clothing glitches. but not godmode, orbital spam, rocket spam, godmode van, and Infinite off the radar. Good to see where they’re priorities are 👍

[@VapidFreak]

"Keep crying kid, Godmode is here to stay." - Uhellamusty

[@iiLikeLatinas]

@@VapidFreak sadly 😔

[@diporrisvn]

I doubt only drifters are affected by this problem. I can guarantee that people playing the tuner contracts or just freemode are suffering these changes. Handbrake boost is a huge thing for me as a player, because it allows me to put some gap between my pursuers and me, or simply allows me to make a quick escape when cornered or when the terminator police AI crash into my car (don't even wanna mention the awful npc's). All the cars that have these horrendous flags feel butchered, like if you were driving with black smoke coming out of the hood. It f*cks up the engine sound, performance and more importantly, it makes u feel like u paid for something that doesn't even work properly.

[@PLUVlO]

So annoying that they did this again. They removed HBB in 2015 with the Lowriders DLC. Everyone were complaining about it and next update (1.31) they added it back in the game stating "Fixed some issues related to vehicle drifting and double-clutching, thanks to feedback from the racing community." I am so frustrated with R*. It's disappointment after disappointment.

[@SnD-js2hw]

This is what I always think about when they add these flags. Like broughy said, hbb isn't really used in racing too often. Its more for free roam stuff, drag racing or drifting. Its already proven to be disliked. They have full access to top speed and acceleration files if they really wanted to correctly nerf cars.

[@PossiblyAzrael]

I remember when that happened, wonder if they’d even listen now..

[@_ybabruh]

Never missed my banshee so much. I remember the day i was able to return. I still have photos i was so happy to be sliding again. 😂 They really do need to just revert, no bullshit tweak to meet us halfway in our demands. Just a revert. Didnt even start this dlc after seeing what they did to my futo. I was disheartened. Lol.

[@TheLukesterGaming]

Some interesting overall insights there into the changes Rockstar made to the Tuners class with the Contract update, but damn that's actually a great shame they basically hard nerfed the overall category, from those crazy fun lowgrip stanced top speeds, to just even the general performance with those cars being notably slower per lap than before :/ but woah I had no idea about how insane the Viseris once was🤯 seems I'll have those videos to check back on and see the speed demon it was back then!😂👍

[@mikeyjay917]

Thanks for putting this out,but I feel you underestimate the level tuners have been affected in street and pursuit races,not to mention general driving around.These cars threw me back in the seat in ways I thought wasn't possible through a screen.No other racing game drives like those tuners did,and I'm not a drifter,just a driver.I don't think it would be so bad if they were always this way,but they weren't.I didn't play daily and spend GTA $ millions for what is in my garages,and quite frankly,I want that money back if I cant drive the cars I bought and won.I wont be winning any more.I am truly saddened,plus one second lap times added up to dozens of exhilarating turns,skids and slides that just aren't there anymore.

[@Nipa_24]

Sorry but i have to tell you that in your text is link some Norway photo site😄

[@kayoeny]

I like your video's. Its fun to watch streams back. Only i can't get in the crew i will still seport you.

[@12mmratchet84]

Instead of making low grip tires more viable they capped its top speed, fantastic customer service lol

[@MegaRenegade1000]

I haven’t stopped doing tuner contracts, and it sucks to drive the dominator asp... the sultan does feel lacking too... in racing they haven’t really affected me personally though since I barely race and when I do, it’s pursuit where it’s more knowing your tracks than speed that makes you victorious...

[@maarten5159]

I'm really really sad to hear this. especially because its basically an update revert. Drifting was actually the most fun in gta5 online I had in a while and I´m just now realizing it was the only thing that kept me so intrigued to the game. But since it´s over now and I actually don´t think that this will get fixed, because THIS is a bug. I will actually not play it that often anymore which is also another thing that I don´t want, because I really think this is a great game and it has lots and lots of potential. Just throwing it away feels so not compliant with me... Anyways who am I to ask.

[@danielbosen]

Love the olden days black and white look of the Viseris video :-)

[@axelastori484]

Wish you early happy holidays!

[@Evo_Qc]

Happy holidays!

[@phrodendekia]

Merry Easter!

[@shahalamtuhin]

Happy hanukkah

[@mrvelumfive]

Same to you

[@Milty2001]

Only rockstar can patch anything that makes stuff fun when it comes to racing but wouldn't bother fixing god mode glitch or orb spam

[@snwlvl634]

love you broughy

[@WIGSPLITTA]

Thanks for the info Broughy I figured something was up tuner cars had been feeling different past few days and now I know why🤙💯

[@jeremaso2916]

This is very sad, I never want to drive my comet s2 again, I want to remember him as the cornering beast he used to be

[@marciliojunior4919]

The convertible still drives like the old one

[@jeremaso2916]

I used it on a contract and it's not the same, it's a little easier to drive.

[@jeremaso2916]

I liked that it was hard to drive and fast

[@xJOJOx31]

Cornering beast? It sucked at cornering lol

[@realracer0353]

I agree 100%, the crazy top speed with stanced and low grip tires was the only reason for me to use it on Comet S2 but now I have literally no reason anymore to use that feature on any car! Also, the Tuners shouldn't be slower now!

[@thesparingdonkey30]

I'm not all that mad. Ended up owning almost all of them for free after buying them anyway.

[@swivvy3037]

I legit read that as NE (any) Fred and thought it was some sort of cannonball Gfred race with tuners only... I watched the whole thing waiting for a "now that's out the way let's get on with the race"

[@YOEL_44]

Wait, does this means that the old Futo is now significantly better for drifting than the new one?

[@DJIronChef]

Cypher got nerfed and i'm sad. Low stance was my shit with it, normal tires, and go sideways doing 80. I was so hype seeing that M3 lookalike, and drove it to hell and back, but the minute the new DLC installed and loaded up, I jumped in and was like 'Look how they massacred my boy"

[@carlosrz_7]

2:30 Dear God my eyes they butchered the S2

[@charlesboots6508]

(some vans have faster lap times) 😂 I'm dead! You win the Internet for today, sir!

[@UTL-Insight]

So messed up 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@theunhingedgamer3762]

it was already known they were gonna be nerfed because the fact that lowering the suspension meant even more speed made 0 sense (like everything else in GTA) and tbh they were extremely unbalanced for the most part plus it was obviously a bug and a game breaking one at that that said I will agree they shouldn't have nerfed the normal states of the cars because it's plain dumb but of course this is Rockstar and they don't care what anyone thinks

[@knightslayer6161]

@@theunhingedgamer3762 instead of seeing the big picture that cars needed to be faster in general they just fixed the bug and nothing else.

[@marciliojunior4919]

@@knightslayer6161 This is not the big picture, the pariah already moves faster than the game can load sometimes, imagine if all cars had realistic speeds.

[@knightslayer6161]

@@marciliojunior4919 are you still playing on old gen from years back? Because I never had the problem on my pro or ps5

[@knightslayer6161]

@@marciliojunior4919 people driving know how shit the performance of the game is but would still like cars to preform much better than they do in game. Otherwise people wouldn’t be bitching. How is that not the big picture?

[@ScordModerat]

Rockstar added drift tires for 17 specific cars, then made those cars' handling lines impossible for drifting, thus making the drift tires fUCKING POINTLESS

[@RaimaNd]

The "F" in "Rockstar" stands for fun.

[@wingblade6023]

Apparently the Deveste Eight is heavier now because of this update. But to be honest I think it has made the car more stable. When you get a chance, can your share your thoughts on its performance?

[@broughy1322]

It’s exactly the same because weight doesn’t affect performance in this game. It only affects collisions.

[@oleg_aka_djmeg]

@@broughy1322 just don't tell normie edgelord trolls about it or you'll never see another krieger in a public race again

[@MrZancruz]

That's what I hate about the tuners DLC. All of the cars should have been equal in most ways, maybe one has a slightly higher top speed, one has a slightly higher acceleration, one has slightly better handling than etc... But all of them should have been useable and great in Tuner Races, having one or two cars being completely the best is dumb and boring! That's why I stopped playing it.... 🤷

[@lobotomyscam1051]

You're correct, seeing as how the whole DLC is based on racing. I had hopes that more cars and tracks would be released so more than four cars can be used, but I'm done giving Cockturd the benefit of the doubt. They will probably just abandon the DLC.

[@Johnny362000]

to create such a balance would require testing

[@WESTBLACKMANE]

Theyve all been nerfed and should be easier for you too race now. Why u complaining?

[@silicosisralphie8192]

All the ones that were bad/slow for racing were the fun drifting cars. Zr350, Remus, Futo GTX, Dom GTT, rt3000, Warrener HKR..I don’t think rockstar intended for all 17 cars to be competitive racers, it was always a few great race cars, a few great drift cars, and a couple for the car collectors.

[@MrZancruz]

@@WESTBLACKMANE Complaining? Nah I'm just stating how it should have been in the first place and that has nothing to do with being tuner Races being easier, it has to do with its stupid of them not to have all vehicles equal for the races themselves.... so a person can race whatever, Like a muscle car against import car and still have a legitimate chance to win. But in all honesty I don't care anymore about it, I don't give a shit about the tuner DLC at all in fact, I'm just making statement. Get it?

[@joshuamartin4849]

They just feel terrible to drive now. Racing is terrible since everyone just uses the jester now plus they were race cars that was the point. Rockstar won't ever get any of my money again

[@midnitejmpr9429]

Man this is so lame, thanks for the great video

[@cxmxcl]

Got on the game for the first time in months and I noticed my rx7 wasn't hand brake boosting. Super upset about this because I absolutely loved drifting with these cars

[@scottyging1962]

I wish they would take brake boosting out of the game completely. Such a sweat move anyway.

[@kpknk7179]

I was wondering why my growler wouldn't HBB while trying to get from point a to point b. This videos explained that, thank you

[@bluntlung420]

They're just trying to protect the casuals. It seems obvious that these "drifters" you talk about are just people who are hardcore into these bugs like brake boosting or whatever it's called. Casuals complained a lot and got rockstar to nerf these cars, that's how "balancing" is supposed to work.

[@sharkeatinpizza]

I don't know about you, but I haven't heard or seen a single person moan about middriving or brakeboosting or even shortshifting, and the few that I have heard are overall an incredibly small minority

[@bluntlung420]

@@sharkeatinpizza I haven't seen any complaining either, lol, my guess is that rockstar received a ton of support tickets from people not using these broken speed boost bugs getting owned by someone who did.

[@bluntlung420]

It's kind of ironic how they remove these bugs when they make the game fun and deeper, and totally fit in with the whole lore of the American parody and cheating your way to the top.

[@anoob1sme]

I used to have a non-lowgrip Remus for a grip/drift balance in the rain but without the hbb, it's about as useful as the f1 cars.

[@Sarah-xo6nj]

HBB was a bit unfair from a racing perspective anyway. It is a glitch that should have been patched out years ago.

[@jdmr1c3ing]

It never gave a significant advantage to matter in a racing situation.

[@Johnny362000]

it's not "unfair," everyone can do it mate. It's not even hard

[@sharkeatinpizza]

Middriving is infinitely easier to learn and do than cohesive shortshifting and brakeboosting

[@oleg_aka_djmeg]

tbf the viseris did receive an advanced flag (namely, the short shifter) and so did the tuners. they behave almost exactly like the hotring sabre, which has just 2 advanced flags (short shifter and bouncy suspension).

[@watcherslament]

Dominator GTT was one of my favorite cars before this patch. Now it’s just gonna collect dust in my garage :(

[@VQS_Risky]

Was looking for setup for s2 comet top speed and no video is updated with “ hey this doesnt work anymore “ 🤦🏼‍♂️👌🏻

[@DiNmiTe]

because his original testing does not include the low grip + stanced glitch, so that top speed is still accurate

[@PigMac2083]

The Sultan mainly lost it's 'personality' One used to more or less surf it with brakes and throttle for the most fun, and the best times outside full kerbbosting. Now it's just slightly snappy in the corners.. (and the Cypher is in my eyes dead as a neutral commuter with some extra speed on the freeways) I really loved the Street racing, they fully killed it off for me. 1700 races of fun.. and now the fun in Street Racing fully died for me.

[@sakanora]

The rt3000 doesnt even rev high enough to hit "vtec" or vvti anymore... it was already so slow before and now i cant even enjoy the sound of high revs in the hills. I don't care if it's slower, just gimme back my revs!

[@OhioSR20]

I loved driving around in the comet S2 before the update, accidentally used it when I wasn’t meaning to in a race and it was noticeably slower….I ended up selling it

[@valthorix7347]

What happened to the growler doesn't look that bad when you only look at the lap time, but good lord is it bad to drive now. I had that car dialed in, I could whip that thing around the new tracks like nobody's buisness, I even held a world record time on one of the tracks with it. And now? It spins out substantially easier coming out of slow corners, yet it's acceleration is crap. The handbreak stalling thing even happens with the normal brakes sometimes. They've made all the cars worse but the growler got _absolutely ruined._