Top Supers Nerfed & Kerb Boosting Fixed? Advanced Handling Flags Part 3 - GTA 5 Fact-Finding №35

Have supercars like the Emerus and Krieger been nerfed? Let's delve into AHF once again!
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Timestamps
00:00 - Intro & Recap
00:59 - Anti Off-Roads Flag
03:03 - Lap Time Changes
07:00 - Anti Boost Flag
10:02 - Conclusion (Off-Roads Flag)
12:05 - Conclusion (Boost Flag)
13:24 - Other Flags & Final Thoughts
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[@metalhead7221]

would be great if the top speeds were higher and before we go into a lobby we can decide the amount of traffic we wanna deal with

[@JeffWeselyan]

So they nerf it ?

[@skepticindianman6757]

*Tires

[@Johnny362000]

@@skepticindianman6757 *Tyres "Tires" is the American (i.e. incorrect) spelling

[@skepticindianman6757]

@@Johnny362000 Yeah I know. I was just kidding

[@TipsyKeys]

It feels like nowadays cars in GTA Online have more flags than the opening ceremony of the Olympics

[@Davini994]

More flags than an announcement on Brexit.

[@TheCazadorSniper]

They're going the Six Flags route.

[@frederikbrandt424]

Loool that’s hilarious if you made that up yourself

[@khamelion7189]

I thought of more flags than a suspucious woman

[@wobbegongsharkfacts1201]

seriously ruins the cars. i would love to get the nova but i hear the bizarre toe in values or whatever make it horrible too drive

[@realbartsimpson]

I wouldn't mind these changes if they applied them to all cars and increased their default speed but we all know that's never gonna happen.

[@mettaursp309]

​@NovaWolf Gaming Applying both the new anti curb boost flags and bumping up the top speed wouldn't change the apparent speed, as mentioned in the video. The map size would be a non factor because the cars would still be travelling roughly the same distance in the same amount of time. They would just be more consistent and logical in their behavior.

[@mettaursp309]

@NovaWolf Gaming According to what though? This very solution was proposed in the video with the reasoning that applying the flag also applied roughly a 30% slow down from lack of constant curb boosts on most cars. The engine power increase was proposed to offset that loss to result in a rough net gain or loss in speed of 0.

[@mettaursp309]

@NovaWolf Gaming I think that's just a break down in terminology usage at this point. I don't think anyone would reasonably suggest top speed changes, at least not across the board. This seems more like a case of colloquial use vs technical terms and a disconnect in which definitions are used. The proposition from the video is about keeping the top speed the same, and keeping acceleration curves roughly as close to the originals as possible, and it seems to be what the OP was referring to as well. Making extreme changes to the handling beyond correcting the negative impacts of specific handling flags goes against the spirit of the proposed change.

[@mettaursp309]

@NovaWolf Gaming The OP isn't saying top speed either. They said default speed, which if you're gonna stick by rigid technical definitions based on the settings existing in the game, is not top speed. You need to take into account the context the comment was made under, which the context shows a very similar suggestion within the video itself which doesn't say top speed either, but clarifies engine power. Of course neither of us can say for certain what the OP meant to say unless they come out and clarify. However, rigidly sticking to one interpretation based on rigid and specific technical definitions, something commenters tend to not stick to, and using a technical term that OP didn't even use when there is context to suggest another interpretation is a very odd choice.

[@mettaursp309]

@NovaWolf Gaming That's the problem I pointed out earlier: you're assuming they're using the same definitions you are. Given the context of the video, and how one of the newer handling flags is said to fix the curb boost issue at the cost of slowing vehicles down, and the following suggestion of bumping up their stats to offset that effect, I feel it is pretty safe to say the definitions being used are different. The context from the video much more closely matches the comment than the prescribed definitions you are pushing on it.

[@Twannnng]

"Only time will tell how they handle it" - I see what you did there, Broughy.

[@yank31]

I am pausing this video after the intro, to say this : I haven't played this game for a solid year now, yet I still find joy in your content, especially this kind, namely because of the quality of your expression. The wording of your intro is (again) excellent. In fact, I trust I will enjoy the content of this video because your analysis, comments, editing, reserves, are all also excellent. So... thank you for doing that.

[@broughy1322]

Thank you for the kind words! I really enjoyed putting this one together, though it certainly takes a lot of time, so it’s nice to see the finer aspects be appreciated 😊

[@kevinmorelikekevout3639]

I have not watched broughy or played in months but I just saw the notification that cars and curb boost was fixed so I immediately clicked

[@iKnownot999]

Same hahaha

[@Beemstar]

Same

[@puciohenzap891]

Same :D

[@1977Futre]

lol, me too.

[@gusbateman9880]

Exact same here haha

[@redhondamike]

Only one advanced handling flag works at a time??? LOL. Seriously, I think R* just waits for you to do the testing on their new changes. They should just payroll you at this point. Keep up the awesome work man! Always a pleasure to watch!

[@Johnny362000]

> Only one advanced handling flag works at a time??? no?? What gave you that impression

[@redhondamike]

@@Johnny362000 4:26

[@Johnny362000]

@@redhondamike oh that bit. What he means is that they puts two sets of advanced flags in the handling data and only the first applies

[@redhondamike]

@@Johnny362000 isn't that literally what I said? LOL

[@Johnny362000]

@@redhondamike no. The part of the handling data that defines what advanced flags a vehicle has is accidentally put twice for those 2 cars, with different advanced flags. Only the first one works

[@Xanezz]

Lurker here, I would like to thank you for these videos all these years, I was glad to find there was some truly respectable and likeable content creators for this game back when I found this channel and I am so glad that you're still putting in all of the work to keep us all informed like you do. Thank you! (also I love the master spreadsheet so much, thank you very much for that too)

[@lawnmower620]

Not a lot of people are able to explain a complex topic in a way that is understandable for everyone in less than a quarter of an hour, but you are...

[@pla6ue]

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior I need the literal version of you to stop existing. The satire version is very welcome however, SJW.

[@ole7762]

Phew, I was scared Adam would have to retest most cars and he was going to completely lose it

[@nerdlydood]

My Krieger still kriegs so all good here as far as I'm concerned

[@MCTogs]

Wait, Broughy's real name is Adam? I watched his videos for over 2 years now and I didn't know this lol

[@MikoOhneHose]

@@MCTogs His name is Adam Brough, as stated in his IG bio.

[@spitz5183]

@@MCTogs You think he kept his name a secret for all these years? lol

[@atipruzlan]

Man with all these r&d, Gta6 better have perfect driving experiences

[@andrewolson5471]

It would be nice if R* made the Vulcar Nebula Turbo drivable...

[@ZerotheWanderer]

I'd like it to have more power so it can drift with the Futo

[@andrewolson5471]

@@ZerotheWanderer lol, I would like it to be able to take a turn without spinning out on the stock suspension.

[@shremk9100]

Its handling is great for drifting, which I guess is what it was made to do. A power boost would be appreciated though.

[@Dayashii]

It’s a drift car,

[@baileypittroche5711]

If you slam the suspension you can drift it so much easier if you know how to double clutch

[@Veprem]

Flags that undo boosting exploits: Good Flags that make cars bumpy and unstable: Bad

[@BigMobe]

Been playing since 2013 with about 2000 races, and I've only encountered 2 players that were obviously trying to use bumps to boost their car faster. It doesn't seem like it's even worth addressing considering how rare anyone tries to exploit it and how many other serious bugs there are in GTA.

[@Slimmeyy]

@@BigMobe The general public will barely ever use it. I've played only a few races, but was the best driver by far in all of them, and I didn't use kerb boosting unless it was in an extremely easy situation.

[@BigMobe]

@NovaWolf Gaming So if everyone can use it then there isn't a balance issue.

[@nyeeeeeee9346]

@@BigMobe its not due to a balance issue, its just that the idea of weaving your car on and off a kerb to go faster is stupid and shouldnt be a thing

[@mazder3594]

@@nyeeeeeee9346 i'd argue it's cool because it adds another layer to your driving instead of doing the same stuff over and over again for every single racing game

[@hemixsara]

I knew something was off with my Krieger, I was missing the off-road tyres.

[@jackarmstrong7285]

Finally offroads aren’t helpful on hypercars and supercars. They always looked like shite lmao

[@broughy1322]

But they are still helpful on the majority though.

[@jackarmstrong7285]

@@broughy1322 unfortunately. Happy that they are making steps to “fix” the new cars though

[@jackarmstrong7285]

@@_m.a.y.o_ id rather have to drive around the bumps than seek out kerbs to go faster but maybe that’s just me Edit: I don’t like how the top speed is now less though

[@chris_tass7053]

@@jackarmstrong7285 it is just you. You are comparing a game like this with sim racers

[@jackarmstrong7285]

@@chris_tass7053 I like doing realistic racing in GTA because I can make my own tracks. And stunt tracks don’t take place in the city so they are fine too. Also any good track will be smooth

[@HarryB4497]

I'm really hoping R* balance out the game with the remaster, I don't like this handling flag garbage but if they're going to use these handling flags on future content they should go back and add them to the older content, instead of doing everything half assed.

[@BigMobe]

So all the old cars become junk. No thanks. There aren't many new cars that interest me enough to buy them because of the advanced handling flags and that is my way of voting to have them removed.

[@BigMobe]

@NovaWolf Gaming The flags are not wanted. If R* wants to fix the boost then they should fix the general vehicle physics, test it offline then introduce it when hitting bumps doesn't change vehicle speed or cause them to bounce all over the place. All the bumps in the road are also a problem. They make driving in first-person annoying.

[@BigMobe]

​@NovaWolf Gaming Anything that makes vehicles inconsistent ruins not just racing but driving them in other jobs and freemode.

[@NatureXwars]

They're finally getting somewhere right with these AHFs. And yeah, I hope that they would overhaul & balance everything in the next gen versions of the game.

[@ItzzzBeamo]

Was thinking about getting a Zorusso at some point but I had no idea it suffered from a stanky leg. Good to know. I’ll get something else.

[@Voskaridis]

Idk why they are tinkering so much with flags and what not. It may sound easy to do but, why didnt they just make vehicles not gain a speed advantage by hitting kerbs, and not hinder the driving experience by having vehicles jumping around the road... Why not just make em smooth over kerbs and when hitting them not gain or lose speed. It gets complicated and really hard to keep track of which vehicle has flags or a flag.

[@broughy1322]

To be fair to them what you're describing is exactly what they're trying to do. It's not the work of a minute given these issues are inherent problems with the game engine, they need to experiment. However I do agree that the problem is that they're experimenting with current cars, so we're left with a mess where all cars in the game seem to have different characteristics and programming based on when they were released. Would've been better to keep it all in house and just push it for the next game (although maybe they needed the backlash to all the original engine and bouncy flags to know not to keep pursuing that avenue).

[@Voskaridis]

@@broughy1322 Understood.

[@cousinchris802]

Bravo, Broughy. On behalf of all the KZbin comments that may not appreciate the work that went into this video, well done.

[@MelissaTimea99]

It's beyond me why you don't have over a million subs by now. Your content is second to none.

[@LoadPuller]

Broughy is a treasure. Without him GTA racing would be a random BS mess when choosing an appropriate vehicle.

[@acidocloridrico9168]

I wonder if there wasn’t broughy, if it would be someone else doing this amazing work. Or maybe we would have a MrBoss of the racing community...

[@joshuathomas512]

I haven't played this game in so long, but I still enjoy your content and seeing your analysis of how they change the game, especially the driving dynamics, thank you

[@chrishinkley5743]

Broughy ..... thank you for all the hard work data collection and testing that you do for those of us that play gta for racing I kinda quit playing the last year except when a dlc drops the first couple days I hope the 3rd gen gta online will see some overhauling and be enjoyable again and the racers will come back I only wish I was in a better financial situation to donate to you channel your testing methods and informative videos have been a joy to watch and learn from and I hope one day rockstar will immortalize you in a gta game for everything you have done over the years for this community if anyone deserves an honor like that it is you

[@heftybawsack]

Who remembers explaining to non racing friends why your Zentorno or Osiris etc. had ugly af off road tyres/wheels on it in 1st gen?? Cringe 😬

[@RYNOCIRATOR_V5]

me: _hasn't played GTAV in 3 years_ also me: _finds this video fascinating_

[@FalbereChan]

If Rockstar use what they've learnt from GTA experiments to actually make a Midnight Club game with balanced cars and all the good stuff...

[@johnsimpson9859]

Only time will tell how they “handle” it.

[@Sultanified]

rockstar can use these extra resources to phase out modders but nope, instead how about making supers go brrr

[@Infernal969]

Because the person doing car physics definitely also deals with anti-cheat measures.

[@-BuddyGuy]

@@Infernal969 Oh I see so their staffing per department is fixed since launch. Sounds efficient

[@DeaconX7]

What "extra resources"? Do you have any info on Rockstar hiring a bunch of new people? Because that's what EXTRA means. They have always been fighting against modders (sure, not as succesful as we regular players would like, but they didn't do nothing), and they will always work on completely different things too. Instead of focusing on "hey, Rockstar seemingly finally did what they wanted to do for so long, congrats" you try to bash them for something completely off-topic to the video. Modders will find ways to do their thing, just like pretty much nothing is unhackable.

[@skforever0]

Not to mention the god mode glitches that have been plaguing lobbies for YEARS now. Unreal.

[@TurdleShell]

the overly elaborate meta of boosting is one of the few reasons i like racing in this game so much. other arcade racing games are just about holding the throttle and steering a bit. this is so much more interesting. taking that away makes it just yet another boring arcade racer

[@PointonMedia]

Facts

[@nnema95x]

Bars

[@sharkeatinpizza]

This mans gets it

[@PointonMedia]

@@nnema95x yuhhh 🔥🔥🔥

[@GETscopedF00L]

true, true, TRUE, TRUEEE, TRUEEEE

[@ph1lh0ff]

Thank you for testing and explaining this!

[@phrodendekia]

I dont know if its good or bad. It was basically a game mechanic we were all used to. But now its more realistic. They should fix the police interceptor tho, lol

[@broughy1322]

If you're talking about the off-road wheels change, yes it's more realistic now but it certainly doesn't make for a better gameplay experience, at least in my opinion. As I said in the video, the question of realism vs experience in a game needs to be considered.

[@dunc_n_fr]

What's wrong with the Interceptor?

[@yusufgta4341]

Vapid interceptor has a weird suspension. Also, it should be AWD like it's real life counterpart the 2013 Ford Taurus interceptor. It's rwd in the game for some reason.

[@ShakamuraGames]

@@dunc_n_fr car's physics feels like a ball

[@phrodendekia]

@@broughy1322 I agree with you. In an ideal world, they would overhaul every car and tweak their flaws accordingly. Or they should add some wheel type that gives this benefit of handling and bump absorbtion, without being an offroad wheel. Like an "Atomic Racing series" wheel or something. But again, this is not a consistent thing that happens. Some cars benefit and some others dont.

[@Dakrih]

It seems to me that they're testing/experimenting with vehicle details in prep for the next/another game.

[@Kevin.7.]

It's what I've been thinking since they added the beetle; its suspension It's unique. It might be for testing too.

[@AllenSAshley]

Even though brake boosting is dumb, I would hate to see it go. It's a somewhat challenging maneuver and can make you slower if you get it wrong. It sort of separates casuals from more experience drivers.

[@MikeTheCobweb]

I agree. Break boosting isn’t easy to do and it requires skill and practice to actually get it down. If rockstar removed it I’d be quite sad because i breakboost quite a lot

[@PLUVlO]

I really hope the boosting isn't going to be fixed on all cars. Since I drift the cars, the MDSB is pretty much essential for it. Such a shame getting new cars and they've these weird handling flags, got so excited for the Fagaloa, Jester Classic and so on. But we'll see, if anything FiveM's still a thing.

[@loganwolv3393]

Yeah on fivem these things being implamented is always a plus because they can use these flags properly.

[@oleg_aka_djmeg]

mid drive works alright on open wheelers that have the flag so it's not an issue

[@ajaj3196]

If they were competent they could remove curb boosting but not MRSB..

[@PLUVlO]

@NovaWolf Gaming Even when you shoot the suspension? Shame...

[@enjoiThePain]

Thanks for the vid Brough! I’m sure I can speak for many others when I said I can literally just sit and listen/watch you explain things like this all day. Super interesting stuff!

[@gameboy3800]

for open wheels, i could sometimes still induce a middrive by tapping both brake and handbrake at the normal top of 1st or 2nd gear to get the rolling burnout effect. i could do this a lot with my r88 when it was new.

[@gtdriver2416]

Thanks a lot for that video. The information density in this is insane, great job.

[@ssmith7074]

Open wheel cars are still affected by wood boosting. Driving on the low traction wood texture on the edges of stunt tracks pieces does give a significant speed boost for some reason.

[@pedinhuh16]

Yeah but this is expected to happen since the wooden surface provides less grip on the tires, and therefore worse handling on corners.

[@rzlx0]

"Only time will tell how they *_handle_* it." I see what you did there

[@destroyer8616]

Am I the only one who actually likes the mechanic of Kerb boosts? I reckon it's a interesting mechanic, same as brake boosting and short shifting

[@StalinBeWallin]

Kerb boosts and brake boosts I find are really fun to do while driving around the city. Especially getting even a slight brake boost with a truck while doing a sell mission or something.

[@pedinhuh16]

Liking it or not is completely up to you, but it's just completely stupid to reward drivers that veers to one side of the road to other side by making them faster, just because they purposely hits the sidewalks. Also completely unrealistic, and this is the kind of realism that GTA needs to have.

[@kaptainkmann7808]

The update right after the Tezerac (? spelling) changed the roll over rate of every car in the game , those you bought at the beginning of the game as well as new . ALL VEHICLES ! before this update i was doing 14 and even 15 barrel rolls off of a the first jump in stunt zebra, now it stalls out after the first and goes unstable. Even the Tropis rally which was made for stunt's fails even on end over end flips. I sent a clip to rock star asking why they destroyed cunning stunts and all stunt driving by doing this . The only reply i ever got was a message of yes we have seen your clip of you spinning your car like crazy then landing on the wheels and continuing on. I gained a ton of rp from stunting cars and my rank is high due at least half of it to stunting. but i can't imagine they would nerf all cars over something so minor. Anyway if you could find any explanation for this I at least would find it interesting . It could be nothing more than more delivery goods get damaged and lost the longer the truck is on it's side ! but ruining races for that seams short sighted to me and why not at least remove whatever it is in races ! I know i've seen it take longer for even you to turn your car back over during races and it's enough to piss anyone off LOL. anyways thanks regardless if you decide to address this or not. ✌😎👍

[@seangilligan670]

Ŕrr

[@erikbuenrostrohoogwater501]

Does anybody know what the best supercar is to use in stunt races? It would be cool if there was a up-to- date video that goes over some of the top picks!

[@xbutchx]

All good stunters use Deveste 8, Krieger and Emerus. Which one depends solely on which track you are on.

[@RDRR2]

Watch "See My Build, Marine Jack, Asu Dora, Hard Product, oohomuji and gkez". Them you know which car and what to do in RS Stunt Races. Good luck

[@RDRR2]

@NovaWolf Gaming Only beginners only use the Krieger. xButchx is right. Emerus, Deveste8 & Krieger, depending on the track.

[@ExplosiveSubstep]

does that mean we can finally have more ballanced races?

[@huntercrainmusic]

DONT EVEN JINX IT

[@altoes8884]

I would honestly hope so. Me being a pariah and emerus owner I kinda don't enjoy winning if there are good drivers that just lack the choice of cars

[@chris_tass7053]

This problem is instantly solved if you get into a racing community

[@altoes8884]

@Marc funny you say that considering that most people I race are of lvl 150+ and have a good w/l ratio. Just wished it was more fair for the noobs that can race good

[@altoes8884]

@Marc I just see it as an estimate on how long a person has played and how good they are. Sadly it obviously doesn't show the sportsmanship but still a decent guess

[@Ignacio.Romero]

Hey, at least my supercars will look nicer with proper wheels instead of off roads lol

[@taviious8313]

Yeaa, well i think Sports will be best for curb boosting idk If he talks about it later on in the vid or not because I didnt fully watch it

[@Johnny362000]

@@taviious8313 that's not true at all and I have no idea where you got that from

[@taviious8313]

@@Johnny362000 i stunt/Street race lol ik What im talking about

[@taviious8313]

@@Johnny362000 just watch that vid Youll see

[@Johnny362000]

@@taviious8313 there is a small difference in the amount of boost a car gets from kerb boosting with different wheels on cars that have TCC. This video is mostly about cars that do not have (typical) TCC or do not kerb-boost at all. And if you're going for maximum boost, high-ends, sports, SUVs and Street wheels with a thin sidewall will give the same boost because they have the same rimRadius values

[@myfatassdick]

I’m gonna miss curb boosting if they continue with these new flags or change all cars in expanded and enhanced I only learned about brake boosting like 2 years ago but my god it’s been so good for the time I’ve understood it Also mid drive speed boosts out of corners or for drag races was always fun because it took skill to realize when you can do it and when you can’t plus which cars actually got a benefit from it Also as you said curb boosts were the spice of life for some cars especially after the casino update where they toned down the bouncyness

[@myfatassdick]

@@vladlen- yea actually Now that I think about it I kind of I disproved myself with that one I can’t remember the last time I played gta WITH audio but I still always hit those mid drives even without listing to the gears

[@myfatassdick]

@NovaWolf Gaming the gto would be way slower around city tracks (like Broughys) because it gets a huge boost from curbs The gto the rsx can easily reach 160-170 mph in the city That’s what I’m talking and what Broughy mentioned in the video that makes some cars fun They already reduced the amount of bounce in the cars with bouncy suspension but left curb boosting so it’s perfect how it is right now Like the other guy said slow cars are boring Also I would be ok with them removing all the tricks if they do like what Broughy said and raise the engine power by 30% on all cars plus make all the wheels have the same smoothing effect as off-roads on certain cars

[@moistkitty9887]

Thank you for your great work brough!

[@King.Mark.]

if they reset and fixed all lap times and records it would be a good day for gta racers

[@heatmisered]

Excellent job Broughy, thanks for all the good work!

[@TheLukesterGaming]

Some very interesting stuff there indeed, a very in-depth analysis of any changes/differences, and quite the difference in those lap times too!😮👍👏

[@dasspanienabwehr4906]

I never used off road wheels before cuz Ik it made them a little op against other racers so for me all my rides I daily in game or for racing modes doesnt effect me.

[@dasspanienabwehr4906]

@Marc ik just felt I had a advantage and not many people know that stuff

[@weldabar]

Fantastic info. Thanks for your diligence.

[@DiegoGTRatty]

Wait, so I was never imagining the random speed boosts I got by driving over bumps? I always felt it was inconsistent but now I know for sure its a thing, nice to see they're slowly trying things to address it at least. Good video!

[@Panimioul]

double clutch works on open wheels though

[@xracer5995]

Thanks for the upload, love your channel 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@kaffepetersson4110]

I like to see that they’ve solved the issues on the F1 cars, seeing it applied across the board would be nice but should not be done until Expanded and Enhanced in my opinion, maybe not even then.

[@bagginzhd1715]

If they gave absolutely everything that anti-boost flag, it’d completely kill off competitive racing imo. Aside from being the perfect balance between arcade and sim, the reason we use GTA as a racing game is because of the amount of variables it offers up. And as aids as some of them are, it arguably keeps things alive and interesting. Rev manipulation, shifting and boosting provides probably the biggest percentage of the skill gap between people. That’s why in a lobby full of electric vehicles, the split between the fastest and slowest lap times will always be smaller than a lobby full of normal cars with multiple gears and fluctuating revs. Having races without those variables, but still keeping traditional GTA mechanics (e.g. low top speeds), would make things very fucking boring and would just gradually dry up all forms of racing.

[@tyh211]

Great video Brough 👍

[@NatureXwars]

I put looks first over peak performance, so I never had the benefit of the offroad wheels in the first place, not that I race in the game anymore.

[@Skyman58]

I agree

[@ghampster21]

No wonder why my Emerus was been acting out lately. I've been using off road wheels for years. Better do some time laps

[@chadwickreno8499]

So does this mean I can take offroad tires off the Krieger?

[@Christian-rs2ht]

yes

[@astrovisionbroadcastingunion]

Jeez I got scared of the Emerus and Krieger being trashes now but they are still on top of the pace, just not as much as before

[@ghampster21]

Jesus how many scares do you have before you become Scarface 😅😅 ( inside joke was pretty bad) people who said that the Krieger and the emerus was trashes..their still top of their game.

[@astrovisionbroadcastingunion]

@@ghampster21 Ik but considering how Rockstar are able to ruin mechanics, I'm always scared when they change something

[@ghampster21]

@@astrovisionbroadcastingunion they only trying to ruin it for some of racers like me. The Curve boosting and the off-road tyres for traction. Obviously I have notice sense I haven't done much and my Emerus started driving funny. But I figured that I've watched this on the pretty much plastered it

[@astrovisionbroadcastingunion]

@@ghampster21 True it's really bad for racers. Curb boosting is one of the only way to really go fast in this game and having it disabled for some cars but not all is stupid

[@ghampster21]

@@astrovisionbroadcastingunion I not gonna give up all for this video. Hes had an point but I'm sure for some of us racer will find a way around it. We alway do. If this means changing the wheels to sports or something I'm down for that. I'm not put off by this. But I'm sure will find another way around. Will find a way will get quicker. We always do.

[@Slimmeyy]

As someone who gets a tad upset by how much time an experienced driver gains by just kerb/brake boosting, it'd be a very welcome change. I can do kerb boosting well enough if I see other people gaining from it in a particular spot, but brake boosting is still a bit of a mistery. I know of one track where I could pull it off at all, and even then I'm very inconsistent, so I end up just braking with no boost to be found.

[@Pseudoscorpion14]

The reason Rockstar doesn't go back and change the old cars, by the way, is likely because of their microtransaction policy. I used to work for a moderate-sized AAA game company that sold various cosmetics and boosts in an MTX store, and often people (me) would give them feedback saying stuff like, "This item kind of sucks to use," or "This cosmetic clips with the player character" or whatever. Their policy was: once it's released, they cannot make changes to it outside of fixing obvious bugs, because you risk pissing off the customer who spent money (or a much larger amount of in-game currency) on it. Anyone who bought it presumably liked it, and so making changes to an item people 'like' was considered a risk, even for objective slam-dunk 100% beneficial changes. Similarly, Rockstar is in a similarly difficult place having only one unified economy, and selling in-game currency via Shark Cards. Basically, this makes every vehicle in the game potentially a 'MTX' vehicle that someone paid actual real life money for, and thus making changes to it is a risky proposition. And the fact that Red Dead Online is _two_ distinct economies - money (free/uncapped currency), and gold (premium/drip-fed currency) instead of just copy-pasting GTAO's clearly successful MTX schema supports this idea. Now, I personally don't agree with this, but I thought it might be useful to shed some insight on why these seemingly nonsense decisions are made. To use a metaphor that maybe doesn't exactly work, it would be like if you bought a shirt, then a week later the manufacturers broke into your house and changed the hem size. Maybe it'll still end up fitting, but it's not the thing you bought.

[@oleg_aka_djmeg]

i see what you mean, but they have messed with vehicles in the past, such as changing the inner workings of downforce a dozen times, hardcoding some advanced flags into the viseris, changing the behavior of bouncy suspension and of course, above all, forced cooldowns for the shitstick mk2. and you can bet people paid real money to get the shitstick mk2.

[@lukeiannello6190]

I haven't played GTA since just after the Southern San Sandreas Super Sports Series Supdate, but the introduction of the no-boost flag can only be a good thing. Increasing the power of cars to compensate will give them much more consistent performance, and not a car that can do 100mph on a stunt road but 120+mph on a city street.

[@johnsonboy]

Beautiful GTA car content, as always, Brough. But next iRacing content when?

[@mr_obst3077]

I think he was still waiting on some parts for his sim setup

[@TimmyXaero]

I hate those (mis)handling flags. Great content Broughy.

[@Terminator2911]

To be honest it's a bit late in the day (as in how old the game is) for R* to be messing about with specific cars only, after people have got use to driving them & knowing what set ups are the best ! Surely R* have private servers where they could test stuff themselves !

[@DeezNutsGamer]

How Have Rockstar Somehow went out of their way to piss up the top 3 super cars that they clearly overpriced and WANT you to buy...

[@Skirakzalus]

Open Wheel cars can still mid drive, so shouldn't they also brake boost?

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

Driving a GTO is like trying to ride on a wild mustang, that does all in his might to drop you off. Emerus is kinda broken now, a friend of mine had to stop using it, as it tended to get stuck in bump lines on stunt road pieces. I didn´t experience anything like that with a Krieger.

[@davidfitzgerald792]

I’ll be honest I didn’t hear anything in the last two minutes of the vid that racing was brilliant

[@happygster922]

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard. R* needs to make up their minds and either enable this nonsense across the board or remove them altogether.

[@TheGamingNorwegian]

3:40 "not as realistic", "realism" went out the window as soon as Rockstar added the Mk2 oppressor. And it is more realistic that bigger tires absorbs bumps better and gives a better ride. R* did this only to be a-holes.

[@x-90]

Am I the only one that seriously never used off-road tires on normal cars? I only used them on suvs and offroaders

[@sharkeatinpizza]

Yes, because in the pursuit of best handling, they were kind of a must

[@Skyman58]

Nah I never really bothered with them either, they definitely did help but I just didn't really race enough or feel the benefits enough to justify how horrible they looked on most cars

[@Loaqki]

I think R* is just testing things for the GTA VI physics, they transformed GTAV in GTA VI Beta, and this might be why they don't release an anti-cheat for GTAO, cause it's not worth it anymore, they just need a few people that love to play that game in order to test things and give feedback so they can learn from it... If they were trying to improve and solve problems just for GTAV, they would have started by the AC Edit : Broughy said what I was thinking at 12:38, and I agree

[@fastlane8154]

I find the boost (in free mode) very fun to use, it lets quite a few already fast vehicles, such as the Vagrant, go even faster. And yes, faster than a pariah 😎 Although for racing, yeah, get rid of them, it lets lucky players get ahead because they hit the right patch of road. It would be nice for R* to do something about their game, but we already ask so much of them

[@stevedawe]

Thank you Broughy. You do my OCD so I don't have to.

[@gabbermensch]

I sorta get why the clip-flag was added to off-road tyres. They kinda made an ad-hoc, under-the-radar auto-pilot system. Why you'd then later remove it is a mystery....my best guess, and I'm going out on a limb here is that they know they've totally spannered the in-game economics so if they want to introduce more supers later, they have to cripple the ones already available. Why would someone Shark-card it up to get the newest car when fast-as-f**k ones already exist at a third of the cost?

[@Johnny362000]

> They kinda made an ad-hoc, under-the-radar auto-pilot system ... WHAT?

[@gabbermensch]

@NovaWolf Gaming Yeah, I was just taking a wild guess so I was expecting other people to know better than me. It's just that I've spent twenty years working with commercial, medical and military electronics so the urge to try and work things out becomes second nature!

[@gabbermensch]

@NovaWolf Gaming Ahhh...that does make sense though, one of the biggest money-spinners in gaming is "gamer experience"...and what that basically means is "pick up and play", they flatten the learning-curve so everyone can join in. Just R* always seem to go about it in a really odd way.

[@neonsamurai1348]

They should just make all the cars the same for some of these flags. Personally I am happy to see the off-road tires go the hell away, they do not belong on street cars. But the different tires should impact grip on different surfaces. I would also like to see realistic speeds for the vehicles.

[@TheAntiTryhard]

I hope they would do so so its lil bit more realistic

[@masacarre]

I wonder if PH will add this "anti-boost" flag to all cars. Seems like a good racing mechanic which is kind of in line with their ideals.

[@MattyH1812]

@NovaWolf Gaming Kiwi? Is that you?

[@DiNmiTe]

iirc only the Racing GT class is being considered to have that flag, otherwise no intention of killing racing like that

[@cyandrix]

I like this update, now racing lines actually matters for supers. Not just humping every curve on the track and causing lamp posts to be strewn across the track

[@Johnny362000]

racing lines always mattered

[@pedinhuh16]

@@Johnny362000 the ones that incorporate sidewalk humping and curb boosting matters much more than the others that don't though, and that's the problem.

[@Johnny362000]

@@pedinhuh16 fun fact: if you can combine racing lines _and_ kerb boosting you'll be faster than doing either on their own! It's almost like the two things aren't mutually exclusive and the people making this complaint just suck at driving. Also this comment is over a year old you necro-ing mf

[@Aspect46]

We all hate advanced handling flags !

[@shremk9100]

I think a reasonable thing that Rockstar should do for the next-gen release of GTA Online is to apply the anti-curb boosting flag to all cars but increase engine power by 30-50%. This would make them about equal in terms of speed on bumpy terrain and faster on smooth roads (which would also probably help with all the people complaining about the low top speed of cars in the game). Additionally, I think a good middle point for the problem of tires can clip is to make all tires clip about half as much as offroad tires currently do. This would make the cars reasonable smooth to drive without looking ridiculous with high-end/sport wheels. This last bit is more wishful thinking, but it would be awesome if we got a new category of "racing" wheels that could provide different benefits to the car (ie. one type of wheels could allow for a lot of clipping/smooth driving and another could shift the grip more towards the front or rear of the car).

[@dannyaguirre4747]

Brough is the man guys.

[@princeofls9710]

If they were to apply the boost advanced flag to all cars, and every other car that has a negative handling flag (engine resistance, bouncy ness and tyres can clip) removed, then I’d be happy with it. And yeah increased engine power to make up for the speed no longer achievable. I’m not getting hopes up, but from a business money perspective, Rockstar know that no one buys the old cars with advanced flags because they’re awful and people now I think are more cautious before buying new vehicles (as we can see with the Squaddie, Alkonost and new Annihilator which went on sale almost the first week after they’re release). They’d be a fool not to fix and implement this in the new E&E versions, maybe thinking from the start “we are gonna release a new version of GTA5, never release GTA6 😉, so what’s the point in changing everything for this version when we can have it there for everyone in the new release”. But like Brough said, only time will tell. But why they can’t do this on their own dev versions and not using us as guinea pigs I don’t know 🤦‍♂️

[@RisikoAO]

this is a great video! thx

[@jameznash]

very interesting and very well explained as always.

[@jdx4174]

They could easily put in an option before each race that let's us choose "racing tires", which would make all cars go over bumps smoothly in the same way. This way, the looks of the cars in freeroam wouldn't be affected and the racing community could still have their smooth driving experience.

[@MRtiktikSMASH]

Hmmm interesting

[@BigMobe]

Live beta testing with cars players either grinded for or used Shark Cards to buy could put the community off to buying new vehicles. It certainly did for me after the RE-7B was nerfed instead of creating a new class for it, the Tyrus and ETR1 at the time. If you think the Zorrusso having uneven suspension is bad the Z-Type, which has been in the game since release, still has its body sitting offset to the left of its wheelbase center.

[@BigMobe]

@NovaWolf Gaming It's not about just how it affects its driving. There are problems with vehicles much older than the Zorrusso that have never been addressed.

[@Goatcha_M]

Retinue is a Rally car, if any car should be able to handle bumps better with proper tyres its a rally car. And its now disabled. Rockstar Logic. And pointless coz od camber, except I am not making my rally car look like a clown car. I don't like stancing on any car.

[@xJOJOx31]

Retinue mk2 is 1 of the most stable cars in the game, so stable i feel no dif on it since TCC was changed. In fact i was conviced that TCC was still working on it and issy sport

[@ROCKY5516v]

I would be okay if R* added the handling flag to remove kerb boosting in all cars. But if they do that they should up all car's top speed and make all cars smooth over bumps, like it has off-road wheels installed. But I also don't mind the kerb boosting because i personally love the acceleration and the speed you get from the bumps. I just find it satisfying getting all the speed. So it's either fix it correctly or remove all the flags and have like we use too. just my thoughts on it

[@ROCKY5516v]

@NovaWolf Gaming What i meant was since the kerb boosting flag will be enabled, all cars will be a lot slower than they are now. So to have a balance i think increasing the top speed should work. For example the T20's top speed is 128mph with kerb boosting. But if you put the kerb boosting handling flag then the top speed is decreased to 108mph. So increasing the top speed on all cars could balance it. But i doubt R* would go that far. And yes I agree the map is small.

[@Harms82]

Great news about the anti-boost flag. Those boosts were the main reason, I turned my back to any GTA racing.

[@sharkeatinpizza]

It's only on the open wheelers though...so they dont have a top speed of 335 mph (even though their TCC with race wheels would already solve that issue without this "new" flag)

[@Harms82]

SharkEatinPizza Yeah, I know but it's a start and gives me hope for the next GTA. The racing community I've been part of for a short while took themselves quite seriously and imo, silly boosts have no place in that environment.

[@OPTCO1]

9:30 never knew that, you should have tested it from 0 - top speed and the opposite, so we can see how it get higher and lowers lol

[@Jojtek22]

Is this April's fools?

[@ishierrogamer7798]

No, he's a week earlier.

[@rbloobloo16]

This is why he should have much more subs

[@ericdian6058]

For me, I like gta cars when they handle as best and close to real cars as they can make it, while still being somewhat little arcade. And the thing with curbs and handling it only makes the game better, cause player who do not think about such small thinks, just simply crash, and better racers have opportunity to win the race.

[@IO9802]

Don't tell me they nerfed T20..

[@maxdamage8287]

It would be nice if R* experiment flags in a dev environment rather than in the prod game. There are numerous bugs still uncorrected in this game and R* plays with car flags affecting a little more this silly physic engine. Wth.