Hybe is hot garbage and needs to be stopped

[@jacopocassy3342]

Not to be THAT annoying person, but remember how in the past whenever people dared to criticize hybe’s multi-label system hybe stans got so defensive? It turns out we were right all along and the environment was so toxic this mess was bound to happen. I actually wonder if there are other hybe sub labels beefing with each other as we speak.

[@modanislove]

I just want this mess to end it is so f*cking tiring for everyone involved, kpop used to be fun to update yourself on but now.....

[@soft4taeng]

now it's like there's a new drama everyday 🥺 i also want this to end and i'd like to see all these greedy and disgusting adults pay, but unfortunately we all know that the artists are gonna be the only ones to get damaged

[@andreahl3494]

I've been getting away from Kpop as I'm getting older. After this, my interest faded. I'll probably jam to the few that will ultimately make it's way to my playlist but I no lonfer want to keep up with any comebacks and debuts.

[@cupidttps]

this whole situation is getting messier every day. belift’s doing NOTHING to benefit or to better this situation for the girls of ILLIT. i feel so bad for them because the adults that are supposed to handle this mess, are acting like kindergarteners WHICH IS RIDICULOUS. although we all know the members of ILLIT are innocent are supposed to be out of this mess, belift’s just dragging them into it even more. the way HYBE is dealing with this is just so sad and infuriating, it’s completely unprofessional and they’re treating it like a game. IT’S RIDICULOUS.

[@soft4taeng]

Posting that video was the biggest PR mistake Belift could have made. If you have a problem with what Min Heejin claims then just contact a lawyer and solve this in private instead of making a fool of yourself. And the worst thing is that everyone in Belift agreed to post that video and nobody in Hybe stopped them. They’re either all stupid as hell or they genuinely don’t care about tarnishing illit’s reputation one bit.

[@Department_of_Justice]

@@soft4taeng Every FN action she makes is an hours long press conference. WTF are u talking about Willis?

[@Skbeuker]

Hybe recruited park jiwon as its ceo. Look up park jiwon and find out why he was fired from nexon. For oversexualizing female characters in the game sudden attack 2. Yucckkk

[@buninizine]

i saw that! he's nastyyyy

[@vangyul]

It’s hard to believe those running this company are adults, it’s looking like a kindergarten 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ItsBen99]

This is what happens when a company gets too greedy and starts playing monopoly with the kpop industry. It’s called karma 💅🏻

[@my_voice_in_the_wilderness]

A choreographed routine can be copyrighted. It is a single dance move that can't be copyrighted and that South Korean government is considering. IMO, allowing copyright of a dance move would be a terrible thing and could lead to very vanilla routines. We've already seen a number of instances where one choreographer claimed another copied one of their moves and then someone digs up a video from 20 years showing the same move already being used. The reality is there would be very few new, unique dance moves. After all, people have been dancing for 1000s of years.

[@soft4taeng]

I agree that single dance moves shouldn’t be copyrighted, but if somebody “stole” big chunks of the choreo i believe this copyright law should apply. It’s no different than copyright when it comes to music. Incorporating in your song a small part that resembles another song rarely gets you into trouble, the problem is if you copy a consistent amount of parts. Belift already used a choreo for an illit cover performance without crediting the choreographer…imagine if it had not been a silly little cover but the choreo for an illit original song. That would have harmed the girls immensely.

[@my_voice_in_the_wilderness]

@@soft4taeng Agreed. If a significant part of a routine is lifted, I believe that constitutes copyright infringement. The original choreographer could bring a legal case against the ones who copied them. I also think credit should be provided to choreographers who provided "inspiration" for parts of a routine. Simply acknowledging where you first saw an interesting dance move that you incorporate. It would help alleviate these charges of plagiarism.

[@buninizine]

choreo copyright in korea is something that has been in the works for many years. kpop choreographers are demanding proper pay and things like that. the articles used flashy headlines to relate it to newjeans. it's so much more than that

[@my_voice_in_the_wilderness]

@@buninizine I think you (or the choreographers) are conflating two different things: copyright vs payment. If they are employees of the company, the company will own the copyright on the dance routines. If they are independent contractors, copyright of the routines they make should already be owned the choreographer UNLESS they sign a contract giving ownership to the studio/label. It depends what clauses are included in the contract for payment of services. Same with payment. If they want better payment, don't sign a contract for lower than you believe you deserve. If you don't think you have the power to challenge large companies for pay, consider creating a choreographers union to give them better negotiating power.

[@buninizine]

@@my_voice_in_the_wilderness well like i said, it's not all about choreography copyright but that's what the headlines are making it about. they are working on unionizing which is the heart of the campaign

[@jooniesun]

Belift giving off i’m not like other girls energy when they name dropped blackpink, newjeans and ive just to try and prove that illit is “not like them”. Be so for real: illit is also a group full of doll-looking girls created by adults and also possibly targeted to older fans… Not to mention what they said about newjeans was abhorrent. I don’t like min heejin at all but at least she always made it pretty clear illit were not the ones to blame and only came for the company, while belift made those disgusting comments targeting the newjeans girls directly.

[@sanyaa4278]

Fr these ppl are acting like they didn't graduate from middle school and have no pr training whatsoever

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Min heejin saying the girls aren’t to blame doesn’t mean her intent wasn’t for them to get attacked. She knows damn well kpop Stan’s won’t hear that part and go attack illit. She’s not dumb. Well… not fully. She didn’t need to mention this. She did on purpose

[@sankofa2231]

No bestie, because I cannot tell you how flabbergasted I was to see Hybe endorse and Belift release a 28 min long video in the aesthetics of a Sojang X Kookielit kpop documentary edit basically bashing NJS to save their group😭😭

[@aeeeeeeeecid]

I really want this mess to end… Both sides are stupid and so immature and I’m just worried for New Jeans, Illit, and all the other groups under HYBE that got dragged into this mess.

[@ive_zerob1rose]

NOTE: Let me just clarify that I am NOT a HYBE stan. SECOND NOTE: I am so sorry that this is so long. I agree with some parts of the video. BE:lift labs description of NewJeans concept was absolutely disgusting and the video did nothing to help the members of ILLIT, but I also think that people are forgetting one MASSIVE red flag in this entire situation. It's not a simple matter of "HYBE copying Min Heejin and they made that private information public" As far as I'm concerned, it actually started through media outlets discussing HYBE wanting to remove Min Heejin from ADOR. The reasons are due to accusations made against Min Heejin where she allegedly stole company documents to try and sway investors onto her side (in her quest to separate from HYBE) and she allegedly shared private information on idols and trainees personal lives and health. She's also been accused of embezzlement. Min Heejin responded with the plagiarism accusations, so it was actually Min Heejin who came out with this whole plagiarism issue. Not HYBE. Let's make that distinction clear. There is so much more to the story that isn't being talked about because people got too caught up in talking about the alleged plagiarism that is happening when it's looking more like trend setting. Also I know for a fact that the whole "choreography law" thing is not going to go nearly as well as most of us hope that it would. So many K-Pop groups have parts in their choreography that is similar so attacking and claiming a group plagiarised an entire choreography off of one hand movement is not going to work. If that's the plan, then every group would be guilty. Even NewJeans. Again, I'm not a HYBE stan. I just think that some of the very well needed context is being left out to further entice toxic fans and make us focus on fan wars. This is a ridiculous approach, it's working well in Min Heejins favour but it's completely unprofessional. If you haven't done anything wrong, then you shouldn't have to be using idols as human shields. Same goes for BE:lift lab and HYBE. They shouldn't be indulging in this sort of behaviour when HYBE has some incredibly serious and more important accusations against Min Heejin on their hands. Mind you, she's not been cleared of them yet. The court only said that her actions tried to hurt HYBE but didn't hurt ADOR so she can't be removed from the CEO position at ADOR.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

You said every thing I been saying during this issue And I’m glad you reflected on the start of this issue cus talking to people who are team min heejin a lot of them think this story is just “hybe randomly wanna fire min heejin cus min heejin called them out for copying her” when it’s not.

[@vangyul]

Even if this whole thing was started by media outlets, hybe is powerful enough that they could have prevented this news to circulate. Have you ever thought about how no hybe idol (especially bts) ever had their dating news revealed to the public? It’s obviously not because they don’t date but because hybe most likely pays dispatch and reporters to shut up…they could have done the same this time around but they clearly didn’t care cause they were confident people would be on their side.

[@Department_of_Justice]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG I can't believe how RULED by EMOTION these MHJ worshippers are... Reality only cares about facts, not drawn out press conferences of an SM acolyte doing her martyr cosplay.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@Department_of_Justice clock it

[@Monahearts]

Regarding The Jeans and NewJeans drama, I think calling NJ a rip off is a bit unfair. Considering NJ entire concept is nostalgia, of course they are going to remind people of artists from eras they are trying to recreate. Yeah, the similarities are there. And yeah, it does come off as a bit cheap. But her goal was obviously achieved because NJ reminded people of these groups. Not only that, but the members of Jeans supported NJ and said they were happy the concepts from that era were coming back. And I think what’s really unfair when people say NJ ripped of jeans is the fact that NJ debut EP was the ONLY concept of theirs that resembled jeans. OMG, Get up and how sweet don’t look anything like them. So i think what really matters from here is what HYBE does for ILLIT’s first comeback. And I’m hoping for the sanity of everyone that they change up their concept to something that doesn’t resemble anything NewJeans has done .

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

They shouldn’t change their concept. The dream core is fine and no matter what Stan’s are gonna push copying for anything… I mean they said illit copied Newjeans for RIDING A BIKE.

[@TheJacqueswong]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG Dont forget they claim ILLIT copied new jeans because they have black hair too. If they copied their concept from another group and call it "nostalgia" then they have no right calling other groups of plagiarism.

[@TheJacqueswong]

So if New Jeans does it, it comes off as nostalgia and a concept but if any other group it is plagiarism? If Jeans members supported NJ then why is MHJ complaining about other groups? How Sweet was more RNB and TLC type so another return to nostalgia? ILLIT totally had a different concept and toxic bunnies were cherry picking what they feel was plagarized while their whole concept was for "nostalgia" which is another way of saying "borrowed"

[@Monahearts]

@@TheJacqueswong I never agreed that Illit plagiarised nj?? And I do think there is a conversation to be had about NewJeans originality, Ty the fact of the matter is if you have to dig back 30 years to a group that literally 0 people knew about to loosely accuse NewJeans of plagiarism when everyone and their mothers on the internet were dog piling on illit for being NewJeans part 2, there is definitely a difference in the way you go about it. Nostalgia ≠ copying. Nostalgia is NewJeans concept. Of course they are going to remind you of These old groups. And yes, some bunnies are definitely cherry picking when it comes to saying illit plagiarised nj. I don’t think illit plagiarised them myself. But what matters is the fact that if you look at any K-pop space (ESPECIALLY before/during illit debut) everyone was 1. Bitching about illit copying NewJeans and 2. Blaming NewJeans doe ruining K-pop. People were slandering both groups.

[@Monahearts]

For* not doe

[@buninizine]

if u didn't know, hybe quietly replaced the ceo of KOZ (zico) and his board of directors. they bought out the 51% of belift that cj-enm used to own. hybe also owns 90% of pledis shares, a big increase from before. to me, it seems like they're swallowing their successful subsidiaries. they likely tried to do this with ador but mhj is very stubborn. that's why they publicized this case. they likely wanted the public to be on their side because they had no actual proof of her committing a crime. they wanted her to get backlash and then end up losing her spot as ceo. anyways, me saying this doesn't mean i'm a mhj fan! so please don't respond with "ur a mhj defender"... no i'm just stating my opinion

[@sunnybear178]

I personally think the issue comes down to the fact that *HYBE should've never let ADOR or Belift Lab be made to begin with.* Source Music was acquired to be their girl group label in the first place, Pledis came later but easily could've been another that focused on non-Bighit groups. It should've been like 3-4 sublabels; two that focused on certain groups, one that prioritized like soloists (so they don't have to deal with group acts taking funding and time), and one that focused on like actors/entertainers. I don't think the multi-label system was the problem, it was them deviating to appeal to ventures that strayed away from a simple model instead of making sure the model functioned well first.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

THIS. Even for illit belift been struggling with their groups and Ador… idk who allowed them in at all

[@sunnybear178]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG it's been a while but the story is (allegedly) that NewJeans was originally suppose to be Source Music's new girl group after Gfriend and Min Heejin came into that project abit later (PLUS Global time) but then HYBE recruited Sakura and Chaewon, who Bang Shihyuk wanted to add but Heejin didn't want them and then they compromised making Ador and Lesserafim. Honestly, both of them were wrong. Bang shouldn't have tried to change the lineup so late just for confirmed success (even in a post-covid time) and Min Heejin shouldn't have tried to take NewJeans out of their original company to avoid that and delaying their debut. They should've just kept NewJeans in Source Music and figure out something else for Sakura and Chaewon, maybe put them in a group under Bighit or Pledis if Bang wanted them.

[@sunnybear178]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG for Belift Lab, they just shouldn't have done it. I get it gave them a good standing with one of the biggest entertainment conglomerates (CJ E&M) but it deviated too much and soured leaving CJ to just leave them with ENHYPEN and have really no purpose. ILLIT was also unnesscary. NewJeans and Lesserafim were already being done, Fromis_9 was now under Pledis. HYBE had too many girl groups, they didn't need more. Belift Lab at this point just needs to be dissolved and the groups transferred somewhere.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@sunnybear178agreed

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

@@sunnybear178I understand why illit was made. (Allegedly) Illit was suppose to come out somewhere in 2021 but due to Covid it was delayed and then keep getting delayed cus of them working on Newjeans and Lsfm. Then ofc as u know they picked it up again for RUnext.

[@guisas123]

It's impossible to be original in kpop. Everything was already used and created. From hair styles, clothing, brand deals, choreography, sound, concepts. MHJ should just ask BeLift to change their concept for their next comeback... Other companies have done it and groups actually performed much better after.

[@onedyingstar]

im gonna try making things clear even tho i might start an argument; illits debut is rushed, sure. but they literally debuted the girls and some of them clearly cant sing for shit. and then throw them in a pile of controversies in less than 6 months of debut? how embarrassing.. plus, can we talk about how the magnetic mv literally glorifies pedophilia?? i found that out a few days ago btw, i can link a video to that topic. also, can we talk about the fact that hybe is also enjoying the fact that their new group is going through a deadly high amount of bullying? nothing was done about it and then if a member leaves or takes their own life then no one knows why or what happened. should have used more practice instead of a rushed debut and an infuriating song imo..

[@soft4taeng]

Ok well, regarding the pedo claims about magnetic’s mv i have to disagree as they seem very far fetched. While sometimes it’s clear there are innuendos in videos and songs, this time it’s just some people taking it too far in my opinion. On the other hand you are absolutely right in saying this debut felt rushed, in fact hybe really didn’t need yet another girl group and even if they wanted to debut one, they shouldn’t have done it through a survival show because the public sometimes doesn’t take talent into consideration when voting for the trainees. It’s almost like hybe never really cared about throwing illit under the bus. They’re probably just another disposable group to them and as much as hybe can hate newjeans, they know how important they are to the company while illit is not, that’s why they’re acting so careless when it comes to them.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Only part I agree with is illit debut was rushed. Now do not take me for facts but here is what I know: Music industry is similar to the fashion world. In fashion their is collection deadlines that every designer need to put something new out. Now each company is different with the way they debut artist. Yg is known for managing one main group at a time and have other groups on the side they manage as well. Sm haven’t debuted much (not that I remember recently) but they stay pretty focus on certain groups to get them nice and secure before jumping to debut someone else (like securing Rv before giving us aespa). Hybe is different. Cus they have multiple mini companies they tend to put out the most new groups. From what I seen hybe have a bunch of trainees that around the 1 in a half year or more mark of their other groups debuting they will pick out trainees they are eyeing or do a survival show to get their lineup to feed fans something new. Especially recently due to the lack of BTS. It’s funny cus (allegedly) illit was suppose to debut before Newjeans and lsfm. However it got pushed back cus of 2020-2021 being still in COVID. I think the reason why it’s rushed cus they couldn’t most likely keeping holding off illit for so long plus since they just came from RUNEXT fans are ready to see them a few months later. But like I said don’t take me as facts

[@onedyingstar]

ok, so. ill try to get ur point: “Yg is known for managing one main group at a time and have other groups on the side they manage as well.” ☆ you are (indeed) right tbh, they only debut a group once every few years like 2ne1, then bp and then bm, the gap between one another is nearly 8 years. which could be considered great because they dont need to debut super constantly (ykwim?) “Sm haven’t debuted much (not that I remember recently) but they stay pretty focus on certain groups to get them nice and secure before jumping to debut someone else (like securing Rv before giving us aespa).” ☆ its very rare to see NEW idols under sm tho, they always re debut the same idols in different sm groups until they could get themselves some talented trainees to debut “Hybe is different. Cus they have multiple mini companies they tend to put out the most new groups.” ☆ i understand this one, they have a lot of agencies. and they will debut a group on yearly if not monthly basis, plus. hybe buys a lot of small agencies and make their own sub labels n stuff, yknow? so its no big surprise if there is a new group its probably a hybe group “I think the reason why it’s rushed cus they couldn’t most likely keeping holding off illit for so long plus since they just came from RUNEXT fans are ready to see them a few months later.” ☆ they were only held back for 6 months tho since the final line up (sep 23’ - mar 24’) and in those 6 months there was supposed to be a plan for the group at least?? or at least the members could have trained properly in that period before going on that stage tho? like instead of letting the girls get bullied because they r talentless or something, they could have not only planned something for the future of the group but for the girls also, they should have thought of that before the debut, you know? because the bullying they are through now could mark a huge burden on their lives, and its not like im a lilly(an illit fan) or something, i personally dont enjoy the music they put out (bcs i hear it very frequently and the encores are the reason i get infuriated when hearing their songs)

[@Mariah-bg2sc]

What is wrong with you? You cannot sit here and type ts and act like you’re any better than belift making those nasty and far fetched claims. You need psychological counseling if you think magnetic or the mv is sexual or “glorifies” pedophila. And to say they can’t sing is untrue and has been debunked more times than I can count

[@onedyingstar]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqnagH5vpK-XrZosi=tzC8ESwuRayHytF0 where i got my info from and btw, sure we dont need another group from hybe but the problem regarding the contestants is that people only choose people who can barely wipe their ass standing still then start itching their scalp as to “why do companies only take pretty faces” and bully the members until they can find another person to bully the pure fuck out of

[@mjsmith8427]

They really are copycat. I do not get why fans are defending them and making min heejin a victim!

[@funinartcraftzz]

this drama has lead to soo many problems for many groups.. i just want it to end

[@Ricky911_]

Belift is so cooked 😭

[@4m3mory]

lmao i remember when they brought down jyp to put them on a pedestal to company stan him

[@samarahtessa]

tbh i wouldn't mind iif new jeans left hybe all together as they are clearly sabotaging them. The entire Hybe crew allowed Belift to sexualize new jeans like this it's actually so sad. *guys im sorry i meant hybe not bighit 😭

[@Department_of_Justice]

I hope they park them in the garage for the duration of their contracts.

[@sunnybear178]

the truth is all of the adults are trash including min heejin, it's kind of funny seeing just an influx of people condemning belift rightfully but min heejin been doing it and it didn't matter because of success

[@Vindy_22]

Why you drag big hit into this? Big hit has nothing to do with these.they have only bts and txt.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

Big hit?

[@samarahtessa]

@@Vindy_22 mb i meant hybe not big hit

[@blamaryuliia]

I didn’t think that I would ever say this, but the only one who is mooving right in this whole mess is Source Music. The only ones who truly protect artists in this awful situation and do not create a circus out of everything that happens.

[@andreahl3494]

Their past mistake was letting go of G friend when they were starting to climb their peaks and trusting MHJ before she got Ador. But true, this time they learned their lesson.

[@my_voice_in_the_wilderness]

I think Hybe execs are strongly favoring and supporting Belift Lab over Ador. Bang PD is heavily involved with Illit's creation and music. He has a credit on every song of Illit's debut album. I believe Illit's copying of NewJeans is intentional. I think Bang PD wants the credit for having Hybe's most popular and profitable girl group. To achieve this, Illit needs to supplant NewJeans. We have a battle of two egos: MHJ vs Bang PD. Additionally, having two very similar groups is not in Hybe's overall best interest. Hybe shareholders could get involved if Hybe revenue starts declining. I think MHJ is buying for time and hoping to increase NewJean's profitability significantly. Such improvement could make it difficult for Hybe execs to fire her in the future. If I was a Hybe shareholder, I wouldn't want them to terminate someone who is generating significant revenue for the company.

[@buninizine]

the mexican gg jeans was inspired by black american groups that were out at the time. newjeans are inspired by older 90s ggs, not jeans specifically. everything jeans (mexican gg) did was copied from black americans. their fashion and dance, etc.

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

I agree with this idea of getting min heejin out But hybe way of dealing with this became messy. And they should know min heejin already. She likes drama. They saw cookie and saw the drama over eta. She loves stunts and love playing with the media. Good or bad she don’t care. Also I gotta disagree with the choreo law. Kpop takes stuff and makes it their own. Including choreo. To make a law like this it will ruin the industry. Every comeback it’s gonna be “They did the same moves”. When loco had that similar drop the black mamba I guess JYP gonna get sued? Or other groups that done moves that Newjeans did. And that’s just talking people who did these moves within kpop. It’s gonna suck the fun out of it. Now unless someone fully copy and paste your choreo without permission yea I think that’s sue worthy. But over this issue with similar moves? Not even the whole dance one hand movement in a song or one kicking feet in another song? That’s ridiculous

[@Justagyrl]

Who is still checking for this when Jin is out of the military and Jimin is coming out with a new album next month. Hopefully MHJ and NJ will be relegated to the bottom of the news cycle.

[@pamelakrause9311]

The video is from Belift is actually very good it sets out a very good argument against MHJ accusations. They point out that things such as hairstyles are based on trends (and NO MHJ did not start the trend for the hairstyles used, the revised 90's based hair styles have been around for sometime, and both Kpop & Jpop have heavily been using the Western 80's & 90's era as influences) and that there are certain dance steps that are commonly used in hip hop that are like for the want of a better term transition steps and that there are in the history of Kpop concepts overlaps. However Illit & New Jeans concepts are different, Illit is aimed at the younger teenage audience and is very cute girlish, while New Jeans is at the 20 somethings age bracket and more adult in their styling. Whether you like it or not New Jeans is aimed at a older audience aka 18 -21 year olds, young adults. Do they fantasise about them... probably given all those raging teenage/young adult hormones, that is a reality, that would be true... look out for the FF. Where as Illit is aimed at the Tween younger Teenage age group. SEX sells whether you like to admit it or not and MHJ would be well aware of that, if you think that Kpop isn't aiming for that I counter with, look at the provocative dressing and dance moves as well as they have the strict beauty standards. MHJ is after all a marketing person she knows well what sells especially internationally, sure they don't go to the extremes of Meghan The Stallion, Nick Minja or Dojo Cat, but still they are far more sexy than people like Adele or Kelly Clarkson. They clearly explained the Illit achieved there brand ambassadorsship as they were already known personalities due to Illit being formed from a competition. The whole video was well done, it answered each of the accusations and had the staff involved speaking about their work, they were on point and very professional a stark contrast to the mess of MHJ interviews, they took the academic approach of showing examples of other groups, BUT clearly stated no plagiarism was involved by anyone due to common steps used, or a particular top used, that you cannot pick out one thing in a whole cherography, or concept and scream plagiarism it has to be viewed as a whole and in context. They indicated strongly that MHJ accusations against Illit regards plagiarism is a false accusation and slanderous. That the lawsuit action they are undertaking is for damages caused by the CEO of Ador slanderous comments in relation to Illit copying New Jeans. I can not believe the Korean public is that unintelligent to misinterpret what the video is saying. If there is any negativity it would be from those on MHJ side (paid bots, tweens & teenagers) or people who are of a lower education standard or young thus lacking in the educational level to understand the very clear and concise video from Belift. I found it excellent and very easy to understand, it very clearly defined the issues and what the case Belift will be presenting, I an sure HYBE supports Belift in this video, as it is VERY professional unlike that crying mess interview from the CEO of Ador. I am disgusted by those that try to change the narrative of the video to suit their own personal agendas and that of MHJ. And I am appalled at Jung Min Jae comments as I am sure would be corporate & brand investors that invest heavily in Kpop, to me it shows a very unattractive bias that will not be accepted by international audiences and investors.

[@Vindy_22]

Other sub labels are in hybe are united,belift,pledis,source and bighit,they all have a good connection. If theres a rival,there is no way they would do that hybe camp thing.Its just that sm blood greedy snake is being ungrateful. Get MHJ out of hybe with her minions,everything will be alright. And,mhj is done when she decided to play with hybe,let's see.Hybe is the most influencial entertainment company, i dont think that they will lose this.Whatever,hybe is greedy but its the best company for idols.

[@yoonized970]

You’re the best example of a hybe stan whose brain was completely rotted by that company. Saying if the sub labels had beef they would have never participated in that hybe camp is foolish because of course they would only show you what they want, it’s not like they’d tell you they have internal conflict. Min heejin is trash but let’s not act as if the others at hybe were any better. Don’t forget how bang pd had no problem in sexualizing le sserafim and bts when they first debuted. And don’t forget how he was totally fine with someone like heejin even if she was questionable. He was fine with her until she got too demanding, but still, it’s hypocritical.

[@Vindy_22]

@@yoonized970 oh,plz.i will be the biggest hybe hater cuz the way treat bts is not alright.But,they are still better than other companies.

[@lsrfmislife]

The hybe camp thing happened when there were no newjeans and ILLIT. mhj is sure a shitty woman but remember that she's representing the entire ador (which includes their creative team) ofc newjeans concept has been used overtime, but the similarities between them and ILLIT was too similar to be ignored. And the fact that both agencies are under hybe. Belift could have debuted ILLIT with different concept or at least would've followed what concept they did for magnetic. Lucky girl syndrome mv was too similar to newjeans. And even the social media team for ILLIT made their social acc similar to newjeans. Sorry but hybe is not a good company at all if they don't care about their staffs.

[@R2Mw19]

I agree MHJ is a clown abuser and needs to be stopped.

[@Alice-gr6ps]

MHJ needs to go. Her greed got in the way of her cushy position at HYBE. They financially supported her to create NJs but got greedy and with her shady actions HYBE as a publicity traded company needed to call for an audit. Who can trust her? She’s hiding behind NJs and created a lot of drama to deflect from her. She needs to go away

[@hahaha101]

Hybe lost the only group that has genuine talent to the military and started loosing its mind, like... have you learned nothing?

[@sanyaa4278]

Hey let's not bash the other groups because they do have talent but hybe just debuted them too early bcs they're money hungry

[@riybe4226]

And now they’re sabotaging the only group that has genuine Korean GP interest…

[@soft4taeng]

Well...bts surely weren't the only talented artists in hybe, but it's true that hybe lost their minds after they started enlisting. They didn't wanna rely and depend on bts alone but they got too ahead of themselves buying too many sub labels and debuting way too many groups. Sooner or later this was gonna cause problems.

[@PinkiePies_Pie]

Urm wdym Txt? Enhypen? Seventeen? Fromis_9? NewJeans? BTS aren’t the only HYBe groups with talent

[@hahaha101]

@@PinkiePies_Pie i meant more about self sufficient talent, like the groups you mentioned do have a degree of talent and skill, obv. they were trainees for years for the exact reason to be good, but bts was mostly responsible for their own music and producing and writing for a considerable time. as far as i know all of the other groups usuall get handed lyrics and beats and album concepts, they dont really have much say in the music artistic aspects. whereas bts they did it pretty well on thier own, their earlies music sounds really solid. so considering the context of that and how bts was fine on its own (more or less ofc) the groups you mentioned arent as talented. sure it doesnt take away from their other strong suits and marketability but even as a fan of most of the groups mentioned, i can say that not everybody there is really all that talented and thats okay. i guess i should have worded my comment a bit better, it seems to have come across too harsh hahahah im sorry !!

[@nikicaminori1243]

min hee jin stan?

[@soft4taeng]

Just because she is an awful person it doesn’t mean hybe/belift can’t be criticized for their shortcomings and mistakes. If you expect me to only criticize her and ignore all the problems within hybe, that means you’re not impartial.

[@nikicaminori1243]

@@soft4taeng based

[@jyestha82]

Hybe is way worse than cube..

[@Department_of_Justice]

All I know is MHJ is a monster. Phony & arrogant as hell. And no one she threw under the bus had anything to do with the charges against her. Hybe can do whatever they want with the money they earned... It's theirs.

[@yoonized970]

If hybe can do anything with the money they earn so can min heejin with the money she earned through newjeans. We should all agree on the fact that just because the money is yours it’s not an excuse to be a trashy human being and play with the lives of innocent idols. This applies to both her and hybe.

[@sunnybear178]

HYBE just needs to find a way to do the following and stop making things a hot mess: - Dissolve both Belift Lab and Ador (they don't serve their original purpose anymore and only exist outside of the model making it complicated) - Transfer ENHYPEN to KOZ, BoyNextDoor to Bighit (cancel that NBG debut, you have enough), then ILLIT and NewJeans to Source Music (it's gonna be messy but who cares they shouldn't have tried to put girl groups outside of the one label they bought to house them exclusively) The outline would be: [HYBE] * BigHit: BTS, TXT, BoyNextDoor * Source Music: Lesserafim, NewJeans, ILLIT * Pledis: Seventeen, TWS * KOZ: ENHYPEN, Fromis_9 - If there is to be another subsidiary, keep it to either soloists or actors. No more groups They let shit get out of hand and that's there fault, they need to lick their wounds and reset shit

[@Vindy_22]

Bighit is fine with 2 groups

[@sunnybear178]

@@Vindy_22 that’s not the point

[@moonlight_orange]

​@@Vindy_22 well bang sihyuk got greedy that's why 😂

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

I’m down for this plan cus belift is a mess and I’m a big anti of Ador (mostly min heejin)

[@Vindy_22]

@@moonlight_orange bang pd may be greedy,isn't that how every ceo work tho.So,you are saying jyp and sm idols are selling 20+ versions in 1 album and they are not greedy.You all are just jealous of hybe ,that's it.

[@jangleerora]

All these adults r fucking up and the hate just gets sent to the idols for the no reason

[@MhabeniOvung-cz3eh]

Nj supporter fight harter... We hybe supporter are enjoying Jin comeback😂😂😂😂😂

[@soft4taeng]

it's pathetic how some of y'all are so proud of calling yourselves hybe stans...imagine being proud of stanning a shady company full of trashy individuals...

[@444wookie]

@@soft4taeng FR THEYRE SICK

[@akashpandey7466]

@@soft4taengYou give me reason how hybe is shaddy company that has been proved in courts.. Don't show me allegations be logical.. You guys seriously... I will give you reply 👍

[@akashpandey7466]

@@soft4taeng trashy individual like?

[@akashpandey7466]

@Ilikeguitar10 hype shared porn video of nj.no right so stop exaggerating things . They just shared the dance video by claiming that they were supposed to be from source music.. Which min hi Jin claimed otherwise.. And everything min hin Jin said is a lie.. And she shared the chats of bsh conversation without consent Bsh can also put a defamation case on her.. First of all This not about nj.. Its about min hi jin.. And until new jeans are with min he Jin they will be in trouble.. Regarding new jeans parents I would not buy anything whatever they say now against source music rooms conditions..and praise ador.. They think they are some kind of superstars now no.. In K-pop its different company who trains them make a product out of them.. If that product generates revenue its good otherwise no company can survive because its there money., knetz are the most stupid ppl in here.. I see only one thing min hin Jin betrayed hybe jeopardizes all the groups of hybe..illit which has nothing to do with his got hate.. Btw lesserfim rise nothing to do with got hate.. She has to follow company rules.. Or if you are so confident resign open your company from scratch and produce That's what bsh did.. He didn't complain..he built the company from scratch .. He never gave up.. Don't use others money and say this is all happened because of me.. You have to be Humble here..min hi Jin is one narrcistic bitch.

[@wandeesthoughts]

I also hate how they made this public coz now the idols’ reputation is being ruined and we’re still not close to being done with the drama💔🥲

[@nicolechristine8764]

All this drama will be over once MHJ is gone from Hybe!! MHJ just go peacefully..

[@tondoma]

We'll have to wait at least 5 years for that because HYBE was unprofessional and dumb 🥲

[@Department_of_Justice]

How.

[@funinartcraftzz]

well yea, but i dont think that can happen

[@jade5202]

lmao you're slow. Belift is acting like toddlers and yet they're also not a problem?

[@buninizine]

no park jiwon is still gonna be a problem

[@nicolechristine8764]

That’s the best decision Belift can come up with!!! And Hybe should support!!! I fully agree!! MHJ has to leave… period

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

As much I don’t fully think making a video was a bad idea they could have went for it better. Y’all know how LSFM had a little vlog showing their debut process. Like these mini eps? Should have done that for illit and shown the behind the scenes, the girls working hard, and at the end just say “Thank you all for the love and support”. It’s subtle but it gets the message

[@nicolechristine8764]

@@AUGHHHHHBBG more to come im sure… until the snake 🐍 MHJ leaves..